I just finished watching lost for the 3rd time and I think the biggest problem with the show was that after season 4 all characters became like npcs and you couldn’t care for any of them anymore. I get that characters like kate, sawyer, or clair were kinda shit from the beginning, but some characters had so much potential that went down the shitter.
>jack, the main fricking character, became like a robot with nothing to add to the story. Literally NPC tier
>same thing with sayid, except he also became a homosexual crybaby
>they killed off mr eko
>they killed off John Locke, the single best character on the show
>desmond nowhere to be found during most of season 5 and season 6
>Ben became careless and useless
other than that, the temple story, and the jacob and smoke monster narrative were low quality garbage and poorly executed.
the ending and the whole “moving on” part was pure trash and the writers should be executed for that
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Locke was a wimpy homosexual who should've died in the crash and everyone should've taken turns beating the shit out of his dead body.
homosexuals don't know how to actually bait anymore.
somewhat agree. Sun and Jin had basically nothing to do the last two seasons also. but
>sawyer being shit
>the ending and the whole “moving on” part was pure trash and the writers should be executed for that
are just garbage takes
>>the ending and the whole “moving on” part was pure trash and the writers should be executed for that
>are just garbage takes
Sunk cost fallacy. By the end viewers were too invested in their proto-prestige show culinating to some grand ending. When in truth Cuse and Lindelof had nothing up their sleeve. It's a mystery box show. It's designed to string you along. Mlik you for viewership. In the end people went allong with the collective delusion that it had some deep meaning. It was vapid. There was nothing.
They came up with the ending after season 3. People who knew what the show was about (the characters) knew it wasn't going to end with Jacob reading off a list of answers to the mysteries. That, and also most of them were answered anyway, but it's a common misconception to think that they weren't answered. I don't know why, I guess people are really dim
That's not what I said. Maybe try using your brain insteading aping the same line of thinking everyone used since the finale what 12 years ago.
Maybe you can warm up to the idea that people genuinely like the show and its ending and it wasn't a sunk cost fallacy
A mystery box show doesn't mean making up as you go. It means they keep jumping from one random thing to another. That satisifies your simpleton monkey brain. Good for you.
Just because they "came up with an ending" by season 3 doesn't mean shit. If anything it's even worse. They had so much time, several seasons to hone it yet couldn't. You got played. Accept it. But you can't because you're too invested in it. Anyone who disagrees is a dummy amirite.
>You got played. Accept it
Pure projection. You got suckered in to six seasons of a show and felt that you wasted your time. I don't know how it took you that long to realize that it wasn't the show you wanted to see. That or you just really like wasting your time.
No, I saw the show exactly for what it was and enjoyed. Maybe you can break out of your delusion and accept other peoples' viewpoints. But probably not
>That satisifies your simpleton monkey brain.
Not him but that's a pretty bad case of name-calling, the lowest rung in the argumentation pyramid. You can do better, anon.
just because you felt insulted, doesn't mean a statement of fact was intended as an insult. lost is objectively gimmicky as frick, using every hook to keep viewers and string them along. some people like this.
did you miss where I said I liked it for the characters
LOST haters are forever seething that us Losties like the show. They unironically need to move on.
>Sunk cost fallacy
DERPP A DERR!!
THE SHOW WAS ABOUT NOTHING DURR!!!
The Island was the most important, epic place on the entire earth balancing good and evil and the castaways job was to replace the leader of this island. It's epic as frick and I don't know what the frick you would have liked more.
>I don't know what the frick you would have liked more.
Three hour long exposition dump explaining every single mystery. Duh.
kek
ok that's just braindead
>crippled man shown to walk
If that didn't hint that the island had special properties than idk what to tell you
>crippled man shown to walk
Not possible. Case closed, they've been dead the whole time.
its a sci fi tv show though
man shown to walk
it wasn't established that he was crippled in the first episode. but when they went into that, that was another clear indicator, to most people, they were dead.
>another clear indicator, to most people, they were dead.
Literally the fricking opposite lol. It was a clear indicator that the island has healing properties and kept them alive during the crash.
Theres no helping braindead c**ts like you, sad
or, much simpler, that they were dead.
Why is that simple when they were never shown to be dead or even confirmed to be dead throughout the entire 6 seasons of the show?
In fact we were told explicitly they were alive.
Oops for you. Last (you) because you're a lazy moron
go read a little about the egyptian afterlife
na i'll just watch LOST instead.
>i'll just eat shit instead
ok
>jack, the main fricking character, became like a robot with nothing to add to the story. Literally NPC tier
Anon his arc was letting go of trying to fix everything and believing in his fate even if it meant accepting the unknown. Jack's transformation in season 6 from man of science to man of faith is pure kino. The complete 180 makes him one of the greatest protagonists of all time imo.
I love LOST threads.
The writing and dialogue really took a nosedive after S4.
Season 6 is underrated
Terry O' Quinn did the best he could, but the Smoke Monster Locke thing really started to peter out as the Season went on. The SM really should have been an interesting sidepiece to the show's lore rather than the main antagonist.
smoke monster locke wasn't threatening enough. his motive was not scary.
>i wanna go home. 🙁
and the threat he posed for most of the season was vague
>so why can't he go home?
>because bad things will happen.
ok.
also he was made too sympathetic in his origin story, while jacob and "mother" came off like buttholes. i hated that morally grey bullshit. the man in black should have simply been pure evil entity, not just some dude forced into a shitty situation.
Still very disappointed to have seen Locke killed off so early. Damn shame.
>other than that, the temple story, and the jacob and smoke monster narrative were low quality garbage and poorly executed.
agreed.
>the ending and the whole “moving on” part was pure trash and the writers should be executed for that
i disagree. the final episode was great in my opinion. it was the appropriate ending for a show built on heartwarming sentimental scenes and melodrama. there was no way they could end it on a dower note, it had to be a happy ending that reaffirmed the theme that everyone's life and death has meaning, and your bonds and connections are what give it meaning.
i think people who hated the final episode, actually hated the episode "across the sea," which was the big "answers" episode. i hated that episode, because i found the answers they gave unsatisfying, but i only realized i hated that episode after watching the final episode, because i assumed, like many others, that the final episode would answer questions in a more satisfying way, and add clarity and depth. when it didn't, i think many people ended up reflexively claiming the final episode sucked, when it was actually the failure of previous episodes, especially within the final season.
people hated the last episode because trying to pretend it was about the characters, when basically nobody was watching it for the characters, was a massive copout.
The entire premise of the show was learning more about the cast through engaging flashbacks
>engaging flashbacks
lol, the writers admitted themselves they ran out of compelling stories for characters so they did flash fowards and flash sideways to compensate.
>they ran out of compelling stories for characters
that would imply they ever had any.
Some of them were okay but quite a few weren't
every episode centered on a specific character and how the events on the island impacted them personally. strange how you missed this
and none of them were interesting. strange how you missed that.
They were to me and many millions of others
yes, there's lot of morons in the world who didn't ask
>what relevance does this have to the overarching story?
only to find out there wasn't any
>what are character arcs
pointless if it isn't in service to something
let me guess, you thought the flash sideways were a complete waste of time
>what is character building
I agree with some of these, except
>jack, the main fricking character, became like a robot with nothing to add to the story. Literally NPC tier
Jack was always the straight man of the group for more interesting characters to bounce off, I always thought he was boring all the way back to S1
>they killed off mr eko
The actor left because one of his parents was terminally ill and he wanted to go home to be with them, not really the show's fault
>desmond nowhere to be found during most of season 5 and season 6
I mean that's the whole point of his character, he just wanted off the island and to live a normal life with Penny, he couldn't give a crap about prophecy or going back for the guys trapped in the 70s, they weren't his people.
how about you start a thread about a series that didn't turn to shit after breaking the season 4 barrier
that show doesn't exist
>What is the Sopranos
shit?
>sawyer
>shit from the beginning
Your thread was shit from the beginning
Eko actor had his dad die and wanted to be written out. Desmond actor was accused of sexually harassment by crew and role was reduced. Ana Lucia and Libby both got public DUIs and were killed off.
Lindelof is a lot better at asiking questions than answering them. Usually starts out okayish and ends up being a train wreck with lobotomized characters and tons of loose ends.
and he's the type of guy to believe questions are more important than answers.
>DON’T TELL ME WHAT I CANT DO IM GOING TO GO ON A WALKABOUT IN A WHEELCHAIR
Lost was always terrible, the “character studies” are full of soap opera hack writing bullshit.
lindelof's signature has always been shocking reveals/twists that don't actually make any sense from any perspective.
I want to eat Sun's pussy out so bad
Just buy fresh tuna and leave it in the sun for a couple days.
korean pussy is flavorless, at least in my experience
That was your monitor, you dumbass.
Would you guys watch a sequel if it was made with competent writers?
>The island brings Aaron, Ji Yeon, Walt and others to it because Hurley is on his way out and needs a successor
>lost with new characters
Hard pass.
reminder: the people still defending lost have a parasocial relationship with it
>parasocial relationship
I am sick of this buzzword
There is nothing wrong with enjoying television
there's a massive difference between enjoying television and trying to use it to replace friends/family.
and every single person who defends a show they like is guilty of doing this?
is there another reason to pretend lost isn't shit?
or maybe consider the fact that you're the one full of shit and people don't pretend to like things? lol
nice ESL moment
not an argument
yes, when you start randomly gibbering at people because you completely failed to comprehend what they were saying, the argument is over.
Is there a huge difference between pretending to like something and pretending something isn't shit that I'm not aware of?
apparently.
No, there's little to no difference, you just have nothing to back up your bullshit viewpoint because that's what it is
well let me give you a little english lesson
>pretend to like something
doesn't actually like it
>pretend something isn't shit
likes it
I meant from your viewpoint. Someone is either pretending to like something, so they're in denial about its shit quality, or they're pretending its not shit, so they're in denial about it shit quality.
what an odd thing to perform mental gymnastics over
people who are still defending lost aren't defending it because its good, they're defending it for parasocial reasons, and pretending otherwise. not sure how this could be so difficult to understand. of course, you did call "parasocial" a "buzzword," which means you don't understand the concept at all, and are likely literally moronic.
I never called it a buzzword, that was another poster.
Anyway back to your original point, yes you are moronic. People defend the show because it appealed to their interests and they enjoyed it. You remind me of that poster way at the start of the thread who is convinced people who liked the show got conned, are you him?
>people who liked the show got conned
this is a common sentiment.
prosecuting con artists is always difficult because people are so reluctant to admit they were victimized.
Yeah, you're him. So if the people who enjoy the show are victims (???) what does that make you?
someone who isn't moronic.
Yeah you've made it clear how smart you are. I meant in relation to the people doing the con. I mean you watched six seasons of a show you thought was terrible, that's gotta sting
>you watched six seasons of a show you thought was terrible
where'd you get this? i got strung along, as the writers kept lying and saying they knew where everything was going, there'd be a point in the end, etc, and then when it ended, they pretended they didn't say anything of the sort, and it was supposed to be about the characters.
this was most people's experience with lost.
>this was most people's experience with lost.
Source?
the fact the only people left defending it are doing so out of parasocial reasons?
Source?
But the OP is a moron who doesn't defend the show and there is no reason to believe that people who do have parasocial reasons, whatever the frick you mean by that.
>OP is a moron who doesn't defend the show
>I just finished watching lost for the 3rd time
if watching lost three times, start to finish, isn't an indicator of parasocial attachment, then nothing is.
Watching any show three times is not an indicator of parasocial attachment and OP is not defending the show.
So the fact that the writers changed their mind a lot and clearly made up seasons 1 - 3 didn't clue you in that they didn't have a master plan? And you're the one that's not moronic? lol
no one had ever gone to comicon panels and just lied through their teeth before.
reading this argument has lowered my IQ by 10 points
now its 70 and im legally moronic
glad i could be of service, now you can get gibs!
The problem is the writers didn't know what to do with the plot after season 3
The first season was also massive bait, the made that black smoke seem like something it's clearly not
>the writers didn't know what to do with the plot
period. they were always just making it up as they went. whats worse is they were plugged in with the various communities, and wanted to keep the audience guessing, so any time anyone guessed correctly, they had to come up with something else. which eventually meant they couldn't use anything that made any sense.
Agree with a lot of this, even if LOST is forever my favorite show. The quality really just went down after Season 3 and especially 4.
The main characters did feel a bit distant, watered down, "NPC" like...especially ones like Sayid and Sun/Jin.
The flash-sideways thing was handled so poorly that it led everyone to believe they were fricking dead all along. Those are morons, but still, there should have been a lot less time dedicated to that shit.
I really did like the Jacob/MIB story though, but it could have been handled better.
The fate of Sun/Jin bothers me the most though. Feels like they were a waste of time.
the flash side-ways isn't what caused people to think they were dead the whole time, the first episode did that.
Lol what? I've seen it 1000 times, what about the 1st episode indicates they're dead outside of a mysterious line or so not meant to be taken literally?
>what about the 1st episode indicates they're dead
the severity of the crash
I thought seeing people alive from a crash meant they were alive but that's just me
It was neither, it was showing the wreckage on the beach after the last scene aired
Why does LOST trigger people so much?
I don't know. You'd think they'd move on with their lives after having a bad experience like everyone did with GoT
why are you replying to yourself?
why don't you just let go and do something that makes you happy?
what makes you think i haven't?
cause you're here b***hing about Lost
i am?
Oh I know which poster you are
do you?
Yes
Because it promises alot and lets people's expectations down tremendously.
>same thing with sayid, except he also became a homosexual crybaby
always was