I just saw this movie in theaters. Why didn’t anyone here in Cinemaphile tell me how fricking amazing this movie was? This might be the best Jim Henson movie ever. The puppets were fricking amazing.
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>inb4 not Cinemaphile
Puppets are Cinemaphile.
Not Cinemaphile.
No
The supreme Cinemaphileuncil decreed long ago that puppets are Cinemaphile, your homosexualy anon posts have no sway in this opinion.
Maybe if it was a full puppet movie, but it's a live-action movie with live actors and animatronics in place of CGI.
You frickers find any excuse to go off-topic, and god knows why. Just go to the proper board.
cry about it
you cannot overturn the decisions of the first Cinemaphilealition, anon. If you want to petition it you need to wait until the next Cinemaphilengressional meeting
Even if puppets are Cinemaphile, this isn't a puppet movie.
Is Space Jam allowed on Cinemaphile?
NO. OFF-TOPIC.
newbie
... well, strictly speaking, felt-and-foam puppets are Cinemaphile, latex-and-motors puppets are Cinemaphile
but Labyrinth has a comic, so frickit. anyway,
we told you a million times, you lying liar.
Isn't it sad that it did poorly, just like all henson productions did at the time? the man could not catch a single break.
>but Labyrinth has a comic
So do a lot of things that, like Labyrinth, are not Cinemaphile.
It's not Cinemaphile. This thread is entirely off-topic.
worse than a janny. he does it for free and doesn't even get special board powers.
I'm having a discussion on the subject in the OP. You're just b***hing.
There's a thread going already:
This isn't a puppet movie, it's a live-action musical fantasy movie.
>There's a thread going already:
and from the very first post, it looks like garbage shit. I'll stay here, thanks.
anyway, you are technically right, but not for the right reason. The Dark Crystal is 'a puppet movie' but the puppets are meant to be 'real' so they are special effects, thus Cinemaphile. puppets meant to be '3d cartoons' are Cinemaphile
SHE chose DOWWWnnnnn
>and from the very first post, it looks like garbage shit.
How is that different from this thread?
And imagine if all 21 repliers that aren't me went into that thread. It would be like this thread but on the right board, and entirely without me.
No need to be scared to go on Cinemaphile. There's more of you anyway.
>imagine if all 21 repliers that aren't me went into that thread. It would be like this thread but on the right board, and entirely without me.
listen, you can make all the good points you want, but-
WHAT IN THE WORLD CAN THAT BE?
>This isn't a puppet movie
>I don't care how lopsided the puppet:human ratio is
In all fairness, David Bowie is worth like a million puppets.
make Cinemaphile suck less and i'll happily go over there to talk about fun puppet movies.
>I don't like board so I'll shit this one up instead
Every single time.
bringing good content to a good board is hardly shitting it up
in heaven, all subjects will be able to share one board. but down here on this b***h of an earth, we have to separate.
Never paid attention to the babeposting before, I take it.
What babeposting?
The posting about the babe with the power.
What power?
oh ~~*you*~~ ...
(You) do
Because it’s more for the female audience.
A literal female coming of age movie.
It’s fully acknowledged as a cult classic by us Gen X’ers.
It’s you millenials and zoomers that give it no attention.
>millenials
Horseshit. You could go on any college campus in the late 2000s and easily get a dozen people singing Dance Magic Dance in seconds.
A decent amount of older milliennials will start singing if you say they remind you of the babe.
what babe?
The babe with the power
anon, anyone who uses the accursed term millennial is A) talking about much younger people than he thinks, and B) a piece of shit. probably very young himself.
It's one of my favorite Jim Henson movies, it's a shame it was a financial flop on release.
god, frick movie critics. they always have the most dogshit opinions, even today.
>Why didn’t anyone here in Cinemaphile tell me
BECAUSE WE FRICKING HATE YOU OP!
Nevermind it's posted about weekly, we time our posts for when you're not around because you suck.
i find most people can't talk about this movie in a serious light.
i love this movie. it being about the dangers of getting swept up into a fantasy and forgetting reality holds up in modern day. dunno if newer audiences can suspend disbelief with the awkward green screen moments.
Baby Toby is the child of Brian Froud who was the concept designer of the film.
It's hardly about getting swept up into fantasy. It's about the transition from being a bratty child to, hopefully, a responsible young woman. But there are a million influences pulling her in every direction, so she might remain a selfish, shitty young woman. One who wraps herself up in her dumb hobbies and thinks herself brilliant and special for it.
>babby was Froud's
and the choreographer was Gates McFadden. Seeing her playing with the baby is so cute.
It's both, at least that's what I think.
Escaping into a fantasy is something a child does.
not at all, escaping into fantasy is what someone with a hard life does
but she's the kind of spoiled teen girl who ACTS like her life is so hard, when in fact it is great. She doesn't escape for shit, she self-indulges.
escapism is just getting sucked into your hobbies so you don't have to think about your crummy life, this girl is out in the woods reading poetry out loud. it's completely different. She's being bratty and childish, but that has nothing to do with escapism. it'd be pretty hypocritical for an enthralling fantasy adventure movie to be against escapism.
No. Labyrinth is a meta MKUltra tale based on the programming methods used to create willing agents (agents in this case meaning sex slaves).
Bowie and Henson were huge into the occult.
The entire journey of Sarah follows the process, including drugging, forced exposure to vile fluids (bog of "stench") hand crafted coping mechanisms, and so on.
Never forget that Henson was set to merge with Disney before he died. This was Disney right at the peak of its hidden sexual imagery and messages being put into film. You dont get to that point without being incredibly "israeli" (using it as a catch-all term, you get what I mean).
The only problem was Don Bluth inadvertently springing the Disney rennaisance so the Disney israelites killed Henson as they no longer needed him.
If you have any doubts just give the ending song of Labyrinth a good re-listening and pay attention to the lyrics.
>Daddy, daddy, get me out of here
>I'm underground
>Heard about a place today
>Where nothing ever hurts again
>Daddy, daddy, get me out of here
They ALWAYS make films taunting you about the rituals they do anons. Never forget that.
a schizophrenic clock is still right twice a day, jareth was obviously meant to be a devil figure. he damn near quotes Matthew with that "fear me, love me, do as I say, and I will be your slave." bit.
the thing is, it's not the green screen's fault. it NEVER worked well on thin fibers. They should have either done blackscreening (and then hand-colored in the legitimate blacks) or chosen non-feathery characters.
You notice on Fraggle Rock, they had a separate Gobo to use for bluescreen scenes because his purple hair was too close to blue, and looked shitty unless they busted out the reddish-purple-haired one. and they gave him a haircut later.
Labyrinth has been a cult favorite movie for years and years, anon. Very well known these days.
David Bowie killed it as the Goblin King and Jennifer Connelly did great as the MC. Plus all the amazing puppet work and sets.
I can't believe young Jcon stood next to David Bowie's bulge. I can't believe you posted off topic stuff.
Puppets are Cinemaphile!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOPE
>has a comic
Loads of shit have comic adaptations; Star Wars has a long line of comics as do Star Treks - you want to story-time those comics, go ahead. You want to post about the live action movies or TV shows, FFS NO.
nope
It was talked about a decent amount in the 2000's. Lack of reruns on TV or getting memes like Princess Bride
This movie should never get a sequel.
Don't worry, it'll get a prequel and modern reboot instead.
Don’t even say that.
Please no, we had more than enough with the O.E.L. manga.
The OEL manga was actually the lesser evil. Tried to build on things and had an okay story that did a good job of discussing what a spiteful schizo autist the Goblin King is.
Now the sequel comics on the other hand that was torture.
The author of this went to the University of Whitewater in Wisconsin. Characters in it are literally named after things and buildings on campus.
that's not a bad thing to do, that's a bad thing to do with Wisconsin.
Okay hear me out.
Jennifer Connelly plays Jareth.
>surprisingly hot gilf seduces theatrical shota and gives him funny feelings (for the OPPOSITE sex for once)
.... frick, fund it. 63 the entire thing, make Hoggle one of these cute shortstack goblettes everyone's so fond of these days.
i dunno i saw her learning lots of lessons.
>gilf and young teenage male
do it
You say that like The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance wasn't a gift from God.
It was wonderful but I'm so sad it got canceled.
Same.
is that the guy from space odyssey?
This is the first I'm learning that George Lucas was an executive producer for Labyrinth. I usually just think of Jim Henson and Terry Jones.
Lucas and Spielberg were low key responsible for everything good about 80's and 90's Hollywood. Both thrived in the producer chair.
I have a friend who is convinced that Willow only happened because George Lucas wanted a DND campaign that he really liked to be a movie.
No, George wanted to do Lord of the Rings but couldn't get the rights so he came up with Willow instead.
That's also how we got Dark Crystal. Jim wanted to do Lord of the Rings with puppets, but thought it was too big of a project for him.
Why was this in theaters?
every 10 years or so they put it back in select theaters for some reason
Fathom Events has a big screen classics series where they bring a classic film to theaters every month. In April it's Gone with the Wind.
I saw Labyrinth too OP. Haven't seen it since I was a kid. Really cool to see it on the big screen. Jennifer Connolly is beautiful.
>Jennifer Connolly is beautiful.
She's still pretty hot too. That makes me feel a bit better about a lot of things. A lot of classic movie babes really let their looks go to hell over the years. And yeah I know time is no one's friend but still, you want to cry go look up the maid from Clue.
yeah she looks okay. I've seen way worse
though She's not even in the same tier as Amy Jo Johnson and Winona Ryder, when it comes to the still-hot-in-her-50s club. Whose president is Judith Hoag, who is still hot in her ~60s~
It's enough to get me to tie a key to a kite string.
Cassamdra Peterson is still weirdly good looking
for her age, abso-fricking-lutely. she still looks like a hot stepmom.
Jareth loved Sarah right? I’m assuming he wanted her to be his queen?
If you pay attention at the start of the movie, you can see Sarah has pictures of David Bowie in her room.
He was basically her 'Animus' the male equivalent of an Anima. What Maria basically was for James in Silent Hill 2. It's supposed to feel like the Devil Him/Herself is in love with you, a 'perfect' reflection of all your darkest desires and instincts.
Sarah made Jareth up and wanted to go into a fantasy realm where she wouldn't have to deal with babysitting a screaming baby, but then quickly realized the baby was more important than playing make believe.
Bowie headcanoned that this guy is not a hereditary goblin king, but has only recently become the goblin king and isn't very fond of it. Like he used to be a human guy, and he'd rather get someone to replace him (the baby). so all he has to do is seduce his caretaker into giving him up, and he's got a replacement heir lined up.
Basically the same plot as Gary and his Demons.
A cute thing
I hate BCG but that's a cute pic
Why did he tell the Helping Hands to bring her down and not up? Is she stupid?
She chose down?
I think... she was attempting lateral thinking.
Jennifer Connelly did an amazing job in this role, but one thing she didn't QUITE get across from the writing is that Sarah's a dramatic little theater kid weirdo. She is capable of thinking outside the box, solving puzzles like the lying doors, and even wondering if perhaps these hands are here as a trap (if the goal is for you to go down, why taunt you with a choice?) and going back up would actually be bad.
unfortunately, the Labyrinth doesn't play like that. it cheats. and learning "yeah life cheats sometimes, deal with it" is part of her journey of growing up. you can't clever your way through everything and expect to win because you did something you felt was so speshul.
Why was Hogwart killing fairies?
Fairies are pieces of shit, he was just being a good samaritan.
that's not really in character for him though, is it. I think anon had a point.. i never thought about it before
i GUESS either Jareth hired him to (he's sort of the groundskeeper, yes?) or the fairies were biting him and nicking his stuff, so he's clearing them out as one might stamp out an anthill before laying down a picnic blanket.
>Why didn’t anyone here in Cinemaphile tell me how fricking amazing this movie was?
As with most things, the problem is that you didn't ask. Kino boomer recommendations far too often go ignored.
Also, random thing to talk about, these guys are so unsettling. I was scared of them when I was a kid, I've imagined an alternate ending where she failed to flee from them and they tried ripping her head off.
They are really unnerving. If it wasn't for their extremely human eyes, and the fact that they have really friendly musician-guy voices including Kevin Clash and Danny John-Jules, they would weird me out a lot worse. But naw, I'd be hep to their jive and just explain to them my head doesn't come off, but my clothes do. then we'd just chill out butt-ass nude and get real high and everything would be alright.
Better than The Dark Crystal.
That scene fricks me up
Lynda Carter, too
>better than dark crystal
I hate how true that is
I recently rewatched age of resistance followed by the original movie, and this time the movie realllly didn't hold up. I hate to criticize so hard because of all the intensely hard work they put in, but you can just see how they didn't quite have the fine controls yet. Lots of shaky movements that take you right out of the reality. Apparently Jen was the first puppet they put radio controlled stuff in, at Karen Prell's insistence, because she was having so much trouble making him move smoothly with heavy cables hanging out, and Faz Fazakas was just like "oh yeah we can just do that by radio control, easy." and then she convinced Jim to switch to that..
oh and a lot of the dialogue was awkward since a ton of it was dubbed in later.
>lynda carter
oh hell yeah, put her with elvira. Like, she looks like she's getting on in years, but she doesn't look like she's in her 70s. jiminy.
I think Dark Crystal holds up fine. Yeah it does show it's gears a bit but I think that just makes it all the more fascinating. It's like say Harryhausen stuff shows it's age. You're not wrong but it's still more interesting for it.
I just think it's way easier to connect with the story and the tone in Labyrinth. Dark Crystal has too much DEEP LORE.
Still a spectacle, though.
Well I mean you're relating to a human with human problems in Labyrinth. DC is not unrelatable but it's kind of also really alien.
maybe its just me, but do the gelflings in the original movie look way better than the ones in the new series?
they feel more expressive, less gross looking
is it just in my head? I liked the netflix series otherwise, but the gelfling puppets felt flat to me, as far as jim henson company puppets go
I mean I feel the exact opposite, but at least we agree there was a definite difference.
the trouble is it was designed to be totally alien and in another language so you'd have to piece it together yourself.. once you change it back to english, it's like, whyy are they doing this.
10/10 made me gay
Dance Magic Dance is great but this is 100% the best song in the music. And the scene is so great.
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it really is fricking incredible. on the surface it just sounds cheesy and 80s, but it actually has incredible chord structure.
to me though, it's all about Underground. Bowie nailed the premise of the film effortlessly.
Dance Magic Dance and Chilly Down are both fun, but Underground MEANS some stuff.
Because it came out 40 years ago and we already saw it
the puppets are amazing
the music is amazing too
the acting is ok, bowie steals but connelly is too young she's just yelling all her lines
the plot is rambling and dumb, on purpose as the dumb rambling imaginings of a blossoming young girl, but just cause it's bad on purpose doesn't stop it from being bad
it's surprisingly boring in parts and it shouldn't be
there's also a lot of plot cul-de-sacs especially with hoggle (think that's his name) where a bunch of shit happens and then 10 minutes later they're right back to where they started in terms of progress in plot and progress in character
imo its a boring movie filled with a lot of really cool things
i think she does fine most of the time, but it helps that the character fits her so well.
>boring in parts
only when they're storming the castle. That's where anything henson falls apart, because he was too much of a puss to understand how to write good battles.
Hoggle doesn't revert in character that I remember. he doesn't exactly have an arc, he's just a jerk and then he betrays her and then he's sorry.
If you like Jim Henson monsters you should watch Farscape if you haven't already
"It's a perfectly natural bodily function."
"...you fart helium?!"
Ah yes! The superior work that Rian stole from to make his abomination.
The main character lost in the end btw. She never left the labyrinth.
As the World Falls Down is the best song in this movie
muppets and puppets were always Cinemaphile
unpopular opinion: david bowie's only good album is for this movie. none of his other songs are good. not a single one.
If you can listen to The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars beginning to end and find nothing you like, the problem isn't Bowie.
My high school class adapted this as a play for some reason
You frickin went to a fun high school!!
I recommend Mad God, but don't expect a cohesive story due to it's production.
Gross and ugly 4 the sake of being gross and ugly
It's supposed to be the stop motion equivalent of a Heironymus Bosch painting. So yes.
:^( why couldnt it be the stop motion of my heckin waifu anime???
That was kinda the point. The Assassin is sent to destroy the gross and ugly world.
We already did. On Cinemaphile. Back in 1986. We were shouting at your dad's balls about how great it.
I watched this like a week ago when I was on a plane. I can see how it would be popular with girls and why it's a cult classic, but the plot just never hit for me. It's just sort of goes "and this happens, and this happens, and this happens", and there's not really any development for Sarah other than the immediate shift from 'goblins take my brother away' to 'oh shit' when they actually follow through at the beginning. The songs didn't really leave an impression on me either. Top tier design for the sets and for the Muppets, though: really liked the scene where Jareth is disguised and quickly reveals himself to her and Hoggle.
I think it was a case of too many cooks. Jim Henson wanted one thing, Terry Jones wanted another. I think Jones wasn't a fan of having a bunch of songs and showing the castle throughout the movie. He wanted you to never see the castle until the end. There were also other writers who made uncredited contributions to the screenplay including Elaine May. George Lucas had his own input which wasn't always the same as what the others wanted. I do think the movie had the potential to be better than it ended up, though it's still a movie that a lot of people love and I see why.
I personally prefer The Dark Crystal. It's a little more boring I guess, but it feels much more cohesive.
>'Ello!
This movie is filled with charm and this worm is the best character, even though he's only in it for a second. This film deserves more recognition.
Forgot to attach pic.
>Come inside and meet the misses!
yeah he was tops
and really good use of scale, it was seamless. you really believed this was a tiny lil high-detail worm.
The worm is a direct reference to the catepillar in Alice in Wonderland (a film/story used during monarch programming to help the subconscious minds of children learn to disasociate).
Like the catepillar that represents the blossoming sexuality of Alice, the worm here provides Sarah two choices. She can go left, or go right. The forward joke being that she has, again, made the mistake of being loose with her words. She asks to solve the maze rather than enter the castle.
This is the initial test to see if she will be able to disasociate, as the maze is her own pysche and the prize in the middle, Toby, her core persona which is being broken down by her handler.
Sarah was foolish enough to seperate her subconscious (the castle) from her conscious, and was tricked into cutting off the direct line of access between the two.
She allowed her handler to get between her waking mind and her internal identity, which will allow him (Bowie in this case) to fracture her mind and cause the disasociation.
quite interesting, where I can find some materials about occultism / jungian manipulation hidden behind children movies/shows? Or movies in general, apart from the most obvious ones like Eyes Wide Shut?
Vigilant Citizen is the most digestible entry into the topic I know of. They cover the basics. Read their article on Labyrinth, note that it goes over the plot outline but not into super fine detail like I did with the worm.
I also highly reccomend reading the article published on Poltergiest. It is what I use to redpill people who are ready to learn about the reality of Hollywood.
I tried formatting a link in a few ways but the spam filter kept catching it so sorry no direct url.
The rest is just losing time browsing through Wikipedia and reading books. The CIAs proframs and test themselves are available online via the freedom of information act too. They are redacted but its what everything is based upon and worth reading.
I went to the puppet museum in Atlanta and I saw one of those doors with the two heads that ask that brainteaser.
the metallicness of those was really impressive.
okay anon
No not those ones. I saw the one who stood in front of the doors and one of them tells the truth and one lies.
oh right right. I thought you were just moronic and didn't describe it properly. Looks like I was the tard
yes yes the door guard guys were cute puppies.
what's really sad is people like this reduce the ability for people to take these very real issues seriously. they've successfully made it so much of a joke that the truth is effectively hidden.
>exposing the truth makes it hidden
>because I dont want to believe I was blind to it right in front of me
Because all fandoms and nostalgia bating people focused on Dark Crystal instead like two decades ago
were they?
that shit is pretty good too, though I think they dropped the ball by having the urskeks look like something that you'd find stealing cattle. they should have had the same snouts and four arms and all the other features the skeksis and urru shared.
Nah, Labyrinth was always the one more popular with normies since it had Bowie. Dark Crystal has all of those spinoffs because the Henson Company badly needed franchise money after selling the Muppets to Disney and it's easier to lorewank Dark Crystal then it is with Labyrinth since there's no Bowie to pay royalties to, but at the same time, it's hard to get people invested in that lorewank because it doesn't have a Bowie to pull in the normies.
you'll get it when you're sane someday, honey.
Okay boomer
Dumb zoomer.
I'm pretty sure Greta Gerwig's Chronicles of Narnia movies are going to be closer to Labyrinth than the books themselves.
I literally wrote my undergraduate senior thesis on this movie. The absolute LAYERS of meaning in this son of a b***h are just staggering.
To this day, Bowie gets me wet.
Drop a link, I wanna read it.
lol, okay. It was shorter than I remembered, but I'm a brainlet who graduated from a complete backwater university. Here's your example of the American education system at work. Also, don't ask for my works cited page. Citations can kiss my ass.
https_:_//_justpaste_._it_/_edp44
Remove the underscores from the link.
Also, I'm a goblin coomer.
What grade did you get?
An 'A', I think. Most of my interpretive work got high marks.
Goblin girls...are they loyal?
Depends.
Frick off goblintards
pretty sure links aren't against any rules
>after she meets didymus
HOLY FRICKING SHIT ANON
this is really really good.
>finished reading
frick, anon. that's not brainlet at all
only thing i was surprised about is that you didn't mention terry jones' writing the script and later saying he didn't like the movie because they changed the script. honestly the movie turned out great and i don't understand what the problem was. i'd really like to know what the drafts and edits were
Thank you. I appreciate your compliments. Re-reading it now, I wish I could have made it longer. I'm not about to tamper with my old work, though.
Once again, thank you very much.
>layers
i kind of always thought that jareth represented heroin, hoggle was muchrooms, ludo was alcohol and the fox and the dog mount were caffeine and sugar
that... kinda works.
or Ludo could have been weed
the guys that can take their own limbs off are probably PCP and bath salts
i was gonna say, ludo doesn't really seem like a drunk, if anything Didymus does. just a hyper drunk. yeah Ludo's stoned. he even talks to the stones.
the Fierys are 100% on PCP and/or angel dust.
>Ludo even talks to stones
>it's a joke
*facepalm* you're right
>*facepalm*
oh like you don't palm your face
So, who remembers Roommates and Girls Next Door?
Or even has a clue what I'm talking about?
webcomics?
Right, the crossover ones.
I can't remember when I left off, sometime shortly after Sarah and Luna Lovegood did some shit in a forest.
i miss the fast and loose copyright rules on the old internet.
I do enjoy El Barto's comic and how it just randomly has Snoopy.
Like he needs work, come on
every single moderator will be doxed and signed up for darknet CP with their real names faces and addresses. your new home will be doxbin. when this fake world heats up, Black folk and rebels will be pointed in your direction. your family will be raped and burned alive, chopped into stew by Black folk.