I like that Cinemaphile is generally in agreement that this is one of the better bond films, and that every other daniel craig bond film fricking sucks.
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The train scene is pure kino
So was it the writers strike of 08 that botched the sequel?
Yes. But honestly, I've grown quite fond of QoS. Frantic editing aside, I enjoy how lean, slick and fast-paced it is, it's got some of the best action sequences of Craig's tenure, and I unironically don't mind the down-to-earth plot.
On the other hand, Sam Mendes' duology growns duller every time I rewatch it.
QoS has cool 2008 vibes with the Sony products of the time
QoS has one of the most sane spy movie plots, bad guy was literally just exploiting a country for water, and I appreciate that. Not everything Bond fights against has to be space lasers or nuclear threats. The movie was mostly destroyed by the way it was shot and edited. Everything else about it was fine, yes even the theme song.
>bad guy was literally just exploiting a country for water, and I appreciate that
The problem is that plot actually happened in real life, in the same country, except instead of doubling their water rates, in real life the bad guys tripled it
The super evil plot that Bond foils is something that actually happened in real life, but worse. What the frick were they thinking
Because on its own it's a strong origin film. Every other Craig film is meh with good elements with the exception of Skyfall. Which is decent but when taken with Casino, it's the second time Craig Bond quits.
Quantum is a case study in making humans act as shitty as possible and still calling it entertainment. Throwing Mathias' body in a fricking dumpster really rubbed me the wrong way.
Well James Bond is a very shitty human being if we take everything into account over all the movies, he leaves a wake of dead people in his path, friend and foe, wherever he goes and doesn't bat an eye. Even just from the Craig movies he gets that dude's wife killed in Casino Royale and doesn't even think twice about it, even though she really had nothing to do with any of it. I doubt he would really give a shit about Mathis, somone who knew the risks of the job.
>James Bond is a very shitty human being
This is kind of the point to some extent, even going back to the original Fleming novels
Obviously he always does what's right and saves the girl/the world, but he's also a clandestine government killer who womanises and dumps every girl he meets
>Throwing Mathias' body in a fricking dumpster really rubbed me the wrong way.
He wouldn't mind.
It was supposed to be shitty thing to do in order to show how Bond becomes the Bond that everyone knows him as later on. CR had him falling in love and getting his feelings hurt by getting too close to someone while on the job. The next movie is him getting vengeance and closing off his heart. After that it should have been him just being a suave playboy having fun and meaningless flings while getting the job done but instead they threw in another OTP almost immediately for no reason.
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Timothy Dalton best Bond.
This and Skyfall are my favorites. I used to think that Brosnan Bond movies were the good ones when CR came out, but whew they aged really badly
You just aren’t a Bond fan. It’s cool, it’s not for everyone.
Skyfall is shit.
Mads made this movie
Quantum of Solace was good too. The other 3 are terrible.
I like this and Skyfall the most. I've only seen the Craig movies.
They cut the lewdest scene.
imagine feeling that wet titty slop up against your chest
I liked it.
God, Mads is so hot.
I liked the idea of Craig Bond to begin with, a completely reckless alcoholic. That 10 minute intro scene is incredible and blocking up some shithole embassy was kino
blowing up
dark hair with smokey eyes and slender makes my weiner feel weird
He doesn't have any of the features you said
she's kino
Imagine being cast in a film and one of your scenes is "you walk into a room and everyone is stunned by how amazing you look"
The fricking ego boost you'd get
the Craig films had the same arc as the Brosnan films.
They made a big splash in the first movie with director Martin Campbell, everyone praised their performance, then multiple movies came after with inferior directors and they were all bad.
Broccolied
>Broccolied
Please don't remind me that one day we'll get a zoomer Bond.
That's a false equivalence. Excepting Quantum, the Craig films were all well received, whereas the Brosnan run is generally soon as having only one good film, Goldeneye. And let's not forget that Die Another Day is an unmitigated disaster of a Bond film with Madonna's contribution to it as the cringey cherry on this big cringecake. There's nothing as shit as Die Another Day in the Craig catalogue, nothing even comes close.
>Spectre and No time to die
>Well Received
Blofelds' helicopter falling down from a single pistol shot and saffin being whatever the plot needs him to be has been mocked to death, and that's just for starters.
They completely forgot to establish the Russian as a bad guy so they had him threaten to genocide the blacks with his last line.
God that was awful and so out of left field. Also her "time to die" line came out of nowhere?
I really hope Bond goes "No!"
I laughed. It was great. "Well you seem dead set on taking me in, and have the complete advantage over me over this pool of acid. By the way, I notice you are of African descent. Did I mention I fricking hate you impulsive violent Black folk and if you let me go I'll wipe you sub human apes from the planet? No? Well, I do and will."
>Well you seem dead set on taking me in, and have the complete advantage over me over this pool of acid. By the way, I notice you are of African descent. Did I mention I fricking hate you impulsive violent Black folk and if you let me go I'll wipe you sub human apes from the planet? No? Well, I do and will.
>so this guy some decently solid comic relief throughout most of the movie, I think we're good
>but he intentionally made a bioweapon of mass destruction
>oh yeah that, uhhh let's just make him say something racist and then he dies for it, THEN we'll be good
It'd be like if they made Boris start ranting about the israelites in Goldeneye before he gets killed, absolutely terrible writing
Both Goldeneye and Tomorrow Never Dies were successes, The World Is Not Enough was considered passable, only Die Another Day was garbage after the first 1/3.
(Plus Brosnan had two of the greatest Bond vidya titles with Goldeneye and Everything Or Nothing.)
Craig has Casino Royale which isn’t nearly as good when divorced from its Cold War context and Skyfall which has one of the dumbest finales of any Bond film. Spectre and No Time To Die are DAD-tier. Quantum of Solace is actually good but got butchered in editing.
You forgot about kinofall
>Craig
>Bond
No, this was a Bourne movie with the names changed.
Terrible image
I know it’s a joke but Die Another Day not being in the bottom tier is garbage. That movie tarnished the Brosnan Bond films in the eyes of viewers so badly that most people think all but Goldeneye Is shit
What's so bad about Die Another Day? I haven't seen that one yet.
People complain that it was over the top but forget it was the 40th anniversary celebration movie
They also complain about one particular cg scene while ignoring good action scenes like the hover craft battle, sword fight, cat chase on ice, etc
So long as you don't expect a masterpiece or drama film 5000 it's a fun film. Brosnan is firmly bond and seeing him cruising around owning every scene is great.
It is very goofy in places, some of the VFX did not age well at all, and unfortunately it came out when Austin Powers was printing money by making fun of every old Bond trope. There's the bones of a good movie in there though and /ourguy/ Pierce deserved better
This is true, Craig Bond did altogether way too much moping and feeling sorry for himself
yeah, but that at least had a good theme about how the past catches up with you
>Spectre not bottom-tier
>Goldeneye not S
otherwise perfect list anon
it's about 40 minutes too long
better? more like the best bond film.
Skyfall is fun if you ignore how moronic it is, even by Bond standards
skyfall would be good if it ended when silva showed the results of his failed cyanide pill ingestion. Everything that happened after that was insanely moronic by any standards.
>Skyfall is fun if you ignore how moronic it is, even by Bond standards
This. Also if you haven’t seen The Dark Knight and remain unaware of how hard Skyfall rips it off.
to be fair literally every movie rips off the dark knight
I like Skyfall a lot
But my biggest issue is that it's only the third Craig film but it's using the storyline that he's washed up and out of touch
That kind of thing is appropriate for the 5th film in a franchise not the third
The Dark Knight did the same shit
It also doesn't help that Casino Royale was essentially Bond Origins only to then have its sequel be a direct follow up and then Skyfall telling us he's over the hill despite us only seeing Craig Bond essentially on two main missions. Besides they already did the "older out of shape" Bond with Connery and better.
Craig bonds are cold and lack humor.
He did puns and quips in the last two films. He makes that corny "blew his mind" pun in No Time to Die quite near the end and just before his Heroic Sacrifice scene, causing a tonal shift.
Even in Casino Royale there were jokes. Like he smashes the guys car to create a distraction at the club. Of course these were only sprinkles. I love in Skyfall when he is at M's house and she says he bloody well isn't sleeping there.
Craig being completely "cold" is a meme. Like people say something similar about Dalton. And it is either third hand information or based on watching it many years ago. Craig has a bunch of emotions and its interesting to watch it. Dalton similarly has plenty of charm and some good humour.
I love all Bond movies, some more than others, but it just bothers me when someone labels a bond as one single thing. Craig Bond certainly has much less comedy but it is still present. It isn't void of it.
Did they cut the end of No Time to Die because of the pandemic? There was literally no reason to blow up the base and kill Bond
>But the baddies are on their way to collect stuff!
I suspect some toxin was going to be released but they changed it because of the pandemic.
Phoebe Waller bridge just decided to frick shit up. Frick that cryptojew.
>crypto
Wait what, she's not an actual israelite?
She clearly is but claims not to be.
They never said anything but it's pretty obvious the macguffin was originally meant to be a plain old bioweapon instead of the FOXDIE nanomachines
IIRC all the exposition about what the weapon is and what it does is all given by voiceover/ADR when the actors are off-screen, and outside of that the nanomachines clearly just act like a virus
I hate Casino Royale, and legitimately think it's the worst film in the series (still have not seen No Time to Die) and aside from a few scenes in the first half and Eva Green's breasts I find it abhorrent
the Venice set piece is literally the best thing across all the Daniel Craig films. it's incredible what they did with that.
No Time to Die is easily the worst Craig film, mostly because it's so fricking boring.
only because of Eva
Best title drop?
What a view.
>Whoever she was, I must have scared the living daylights out of her
Always liked this one
Honestly as i’ve rewatched all the bond movies I find myself returning to moore the most. They’re just so comfy and dumb
>Honestly as i’ve rewatched all the bond movies I find myself returning to moore the most. They’re just so comfy and dumb
70s era Bond films are the most rewatchable imo
>this had boomers shitting and pissing and cumming their pants from anxious suspenseful excitement and fear
And now (you) piss and cum over a talking pickle.
I only watched that movie for the first time a few years ago and I found it an extremely memorable scene. well written, well acted, well filmed, it feels "perfect" in a way that doesn't occur often.
It's amazing.
I like the others too.
I like that Cinemaphile is coming around to realizing casince Royale is inferior to Die Another Day
It's outed how big of plebs Craig gays are and how inferior Craig's run is to classic bond. It allows for bond thread quality to remain high and has put the people who never watched anything prior to casino Royale but watched YouTube vieos bashing the cg surg scenes in die another day into hiding
People constantly playing console wars with Bond are cuck. You're a cuck. I like all James Bond films. Been watching a Bond movie a week at the cinema for the 60th anniversary. Simple as.
Craig isn't bond and you are a gay for thinking he is
Craig fails the mission in multiple movies, lets m die, lets Felix die, and then himself dies
Brosnan himself has even said no time to die was bad
Bond ran from 62-02 and ended after die another day. Craig's movies are their own thing and bad
>muh console wars
>muh liking this makes me better than you
God it is all so pathetic. And don't try and claim you like any older Bond movies while you are waifu-ing Pierce Brosnan as you are. You come across as a rite proper homosexual.
>Craig's movies are their own thing and bad
God you just don't know anything. Just shallow knee jerk memes and repeating the same tired phrases. It is fricking boring.
I like bond. Craig isn't bond. Its a rebooted abomination and you're pathetic for gobbling it up
Bond never let m or Felix die. Craig did. Craig sucks
>God you just don't know anything. Just shallow knee jerk memes and repeating the same tired phrases. It is fricking boring.
but he's right. Craig's movies obviously take place in a new continuity, which is why brand-new 00 agent James Bond in 2005 or whatever isn't being told "oh weird, there was a guy who used to work here with your name"
also what the frick were they thinking with Blofeld
>Craig's movies obviously take place in a new continuity
And? That has nothing to do with anything? And we all know that, so? Are you honestly suggesting there was a full continuity anyway? Continuity was an occasional nod but actors got changed a plenty. This isn't the MCU. Yeah they decided to do a complete arc with Craig but getting mad at that is weird when the films have never been a straight continuity.
>also what the frick were they thinking with Blofeld
Spectre was fricking awful. Christoph Waltz was given some utterly bizarre direction in that regard.
I can criticise these films but it is still Bond. And spending so much time constantly shouting about what you hate is boring. It just reminds me of how people reacted to Timothy Dalton:
>People say he ruined bond.
When actually a legal issue between MGM and EON raged on and by the time it was done they had moved on and Pierce, who was a runner up previously was hired for Goldeneye.
>People claim he was cold with no charm, warmth or humour.
When there is plenty of that. His opening scene in Living Daylights is one of my favourite film openers.
So when people say "Dalton is just cold and boring and ruined Bond" it is based on a load of crap. And people say the same broad/bland statements about Craig all the time too. He isn't my favourite but he is still Bond.
>ranting about Dalton, who was fine
Dalton was good. He played Bond closer to how he is in the novels and I dig it, especially after the increasing clownishness of Moore's movies.
Casino Royale was fine, the other Craig movies were very bad, fine, terrible, and unspeakably bad, mostly due to absolutely horrific writing. Weren't they shooting Spectre before they even had a third act? It's too bad because Craig's a fine actor
> very bad, fine, terrible, and unspeakably bad
If that’s supposed to be in order you’ve got QoS and Skyfall confused.
> Craig movies were
And yet in some ways Craig embodies the direct blunt weapon as intended by Ian Flemming. I don't think Quantum of Solace is great but as a direct double bill with Casino Royal his arc is good. I think you can tell that Craig is processing and dealing with stuff, wanting to show emotion but not. Which all comes to be resolved in how he deals with the guy who tricked Vesper.
>who was fine
I never used the word fine? So who are you quoting? I loved Dalton. My whole point though is that people make blanket statements about Dalton that are objectively incorrect based on a bunch of bollocks.
>And if you don't believe me, Barbra believes they "cracked bond emotionally with craig". That hasn't been said of Dalton nor any other actor in the role and for good reason
What I was literally getting at in that post is that people shit talked Dalton for a bunch of reasons that weren't even true. Them emotionally cracking Bond is because the only way a franchise survives is by doing different things. Bond isn't the MCU doing the same thing copy and pasted different times. It has ranged from more serious to humourous with a bunch of other stuff inbetween. Getting mad that Craig was one aspect feels silly to me. I don't want stuff to constantly remain the same.
Do you hate On His Majesty's Secret Service because his wife dies?
>Bond is because the only way a franchise survives is by doing different things.
you act like die another day didnt do the best of any bond movie up to that time
Okay now I know you're just trolling because that has nothing to do with anything i am saying.
You said they need to reinvent to survive
Bond was clearly not lagging after Die Another Day box office wise anyway
I am talking long term anon, how you didn't get that I don't know.
Bond went on long term without "emotionally cracking"
Clearly you are one of the producers since you think Bond needs to evolve into a nu male
>Bond went on long term without "emotionally cracking"
Bond changed the focus several times. Some Bond films are plot heavy, some villain heavy or a balance. Some are more funny, others more serious. Some Bond girls were ditzy as frick, some were more levelheaded. Some plots were a good ride/journey and some were about the destination. And some where just about a bunch of stunts.
All you can do is throw out the same fricking insults instead of addressing any comments or arguments.
Okay let us see:
>I like that Cinemaphile is coming around to realizing casince Royale is inferior to Die Another Day
>the cg surg scenes in die another day into hiding
Notice all the spelling mistakes?
>Respect everyone else's opinions but can't get passed theres
>Yes but then after that I have to see him fail to protect m and die
>you act like die another day didnt do the best of any bond movie up to that time
This all sounds ESL.
>you didn't spell perfectly therefore invalid
As I said Craig sucks and you can't defend him. His run was simply pathetic
Goodbye now anon. Enjoy your gay bar hopping actor, I'll continue to enjoy actual bond
Not just spelling, sentence construction too. You know literally nothing about James Bond.
>you can't defend him
M8, your "criticism" was just going on rambles about Die Another Day when no one even brought it up. If you're not ESL then you're a moron. I don't like Craig Bond but you sucking off Die Another Day is just plain weird.
>Enjoy your gay bar hopping actor
Bit hypocritical to insult anyone else when you're sucking Pierce off so hard.
Why are esl poster always low iq?
>esl
Cope Craig sucks and you can't defend him so you resort to a lie
>I don't think Quantum of Solace is great but as a direct double bill with Casino Royal his arc is good.
no
it was almost a good idea, but it didn't work at all.
>see he's killing everyone
>but now he's not gonna kill the last guy
Craig got one good script in his entire run, and that was a pretty tight adaptation of a novel
>see he's killing everyone
>but now he's not gonna kill the last guy
It isn't played off like that. M has this whole thing "you're going to far" but sometimes in the moment it is live or die. Like at the start of Quantum when he is hanging from the rope, if he hadn't shot the guy, the guy would have shot him. It goes to show the whole thing isn't easy. In Skyfall he's literally told to just leave an agent bleeding out. Those decisions are constant. The issue was he let go of part of what was driving him.
>Those decisions are constant.
But they're not decisions, that's the problem, it's always reflex decisions like shooting the traitor, or literal accidents like the guy on the roof, or not actually doing anything at all with the Goldfinger """""""""""""homage"""""""""""""". He doesn't get to make a real choice.
it's just terribly done, and then throw in Marc Forster's film school bullshit
>"no, Bond should have a PPK!!!! Even though nobody's used those in real life for decades and both Brosnan and Craig used P99s"
>ok ok so the first action scene will be in a dirty construction site... EARTH!!!!
>and then the next one will be a boat chase on... WATER!!!
>and then we'll have one in planes in the... AIR!!!!!!!
>and oh man you'll never GUESS where we're going to set the final fight
And creating a deliberately boring and uninteresting bad guy because he wanted to make some half-baked point about the banality of evil, and then a Big Bad Guy Plot that is literally a thing that was done in real life, but not as bad as the real-life thing, frick what a waste of momentum that movie was
If I were Craig, I would've wept when I was handed that script
>Dalton was good. He played Bond closer to how he is in the novels and I dig it, especially after the increasing clownishness of Moore's movies.
The whole point of those statements is to say that people massively shit on Dalton when they shouldn't have. So many people talk about Dalton in the same way they talk about Craig and it is just wrong.
How you missed the point I don't know
>It just reminds me of how people reacted to Timothy Dalton:
Dalton bond was still classic bond and his movies reflected that.
See that's the difference. Dalton bond may have been "darker" but he wasn't a mopie drunk who failed every other mission. His bond reflected him but it was still in line with bond, he wasn't "nu bond" or whatever you wanna call it
And if you don't believe me, Barbra believes they "cracked bond emotionally with craig". That hasn't been said of Dalton nor any other actor in the role and for good reason
>also what the frick were they thinking with Blofeld
NO YOU DONT UNDERSTAND CRAIGS RUN WAS SO KINO SEEING HIM HAVE TO BE RESCUED IN CASINO ROYALE WAS SO REFRESHING
Craig gays are massive plebs. Respect everyone else's opinions but can't get passed theres
>Respect everyone else's opinions but can't get passed theres
Are you an ESL fricker, Jesus Christ speak properly.
>SEEING HIM HAVE TO BE RESCUED IN CASINO ROYALE WAS SO REFRESHING
that's literally in the book though
>that's literally in the book though
Yes but then after that I have to see him fail to protect m and die
He's literally the most pathetic spy ever
you can directly thank Craig for half the appreciation Brosnan gets. Craig (and of course the studio, yadda, yadda) showed us by contrast just how close Brosnan was to what Bond should be. at the time people thought he was a bit phony and wooden. we thought surely somebody else can do better than this, so most were glad when Brosnan retired. but then Craig came and played Bond like a half-moronic bouncer guy at a club who one day wakes up wearing an expensive suit, and we realized that we had judged Brosnan too harshly.
This is revisionist history. Everyone thought Brosnan was the perfect choice for Bond. It's just that the movies were godawful.
Word. There was a rebellion when they announced Brosnan was done and Craig was coming in. I was pissed off
especially bitter because half the reason they went for Craig and the reboot was being scared shitless of Austin Powers, and then there was never another Austin Powers movie
>lets m die, lets Felix die
Have you ever seen a Bond film? He gets a bunch of people killed over the years.
>Brosnan himself has even said no time to die was bad
Films can be bad or good but it is still Bond. All this homosexual complaining about "not muh bond" is just stale after a while. The reason you can't discuss anything anymore anywhere is because of people like yourself. Instead of just talking about what you like you have to constantly shit on something with third hand takes.
Indeed.
Casino Royale is definitely good but true bond kinoists know that skyfall is the best Craig bond and Bardem is his best antagonist.
> skyfall is the best Craig bond
Terrible bait
Casino Royale bond becomes a double 0, starts his career as a top agent in MI6
2 movies later hes old and washed up, past prime, needs to retire.
Huh
Could easily have the plot of tech replacing agents but the need for a human element being necessary without “bond is old now!”
Is bond a rare english name? I've never met someone with the last name bond.
There was literally a Bond thread earlier with someone, probably the same anon, ranting about Die Another day.
Pure autism.