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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you should have turned on subtitles

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hahaa aaa

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what's there to understand? she's a cyborg, is she still a human, what is a human, is the ai who asks for asylum human, is she still human after she merges with it, the usual cyber shit

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I guess I was confused why her pardner was perfectly fine with her merging with the puppetmaster. did they both defect?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i haven't seen it in ages but doesn't she merge with the ai dude because they'll both die otherwise? i can't recall

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >t.bugperson who doesnt understand interpersonal realtionships

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He wasn't, he tried to disconnect them after hearing its intentions, but was hacked and prevented from doing so.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Batou and the Major were kindred, he understood she struggled with her identity and place in the world and that she was looking for something else outside section 9 (which they both say isn't really possible for them to leave)

        Oshii says the movies central theme is about marriage, in this case between Major and 2501, the joining of two to become one, its supposed to be a joyous thing. In the sequel she tell Batou she no longer frets about her existence as she did before

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You have to watch the sequel, that explains everything and is much clearer.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ha ha you funny

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's best to either read the manga first, which is complicated in itself, or watch it a few times.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Black, the manga is almost a completely different IP, what lol

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ghost in the Shell is the most fricking pseud sci fi shit I have ever watched in my life. You only don't understand it because the story is deliberately made to be obtuse and pretentious over very simple philosophy 101 concepts.

    For the love of god just watch something else, I recommend S;G just because the main character is actually fun to watch.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Based, SG is true kino. GitS is okay but mostly gets by on being an old revered classic more than being good.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        SG is shit dude. That anime is embarrassing.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I agree it's very simple philosophy but I don't see how it's obtuse or pretentious or unclear at all really. I mean a lot of the dialogue is them explicitly talking about the philosophy.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      filtered

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Based, SG is true kino. GitS is okay but mostly gets by on being an old revered classic more than being good.

      This shit has to be bait. S;G was unashamed tranime.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >For the love of god just watch something else, I recommend S;G just because the main character is actually fun to watch.

      stein gate is trash, ghost is pretentious but at least has good animation

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Taking a concept and playing with it in Science Fiction is the essence of science fiction. The philosophical underpinnings of the "Ghost in the Machine" are just a speculative starting point for the story.
      The only pseudointellectual thing here is your conflation of Low Concept Sci Fi with unostentatiousness and High Concept Sci Fi with pretension.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Digital conscience only exists (or existED) in sci-fi.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >pretends to be a disappointed intellectual in the first paragraph with buzzwords like "pseud" and "philosophy 101"
      >endorses some silly time travel schlock because it's, like, "fun" fr fr

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        steins;gate is kino, have a nice day.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The story makes perfect sense. You don't need to understand the philosophy to understand why they're fighting.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >recommends unapologetic haremshit
      why are weebnigs like this

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Japanese CIA creates an AI
    >It tries to escape by hacking some people, changing their memories, and even making itself a body
    >Japanese FBI captures those people and the AI's body
    >Japanese CIA tries to cover things up
    >The Major and the AI get fricked up badly
    >They decide to fuse / have cyber sex to create a new entity that's a combination of the two of them
    >Batou takes that new entity home
    >The new entity goes off on its own
    That's it. Hardest part to understand is what the Japanese government groups are doing and that the Puppet Master wanted to frick the Major to make a cyber baby.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      makes sense, thanks anon. wouldn't Batou be under 24/7 surveillance tho given it's established they're basically gov property due to the amount of augmentations they have? how does their secret survive?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They are the surveillance. Who watches the watchmen, innit.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          interdasting

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Other watchmen, duh. The Germans had it figured out a long time ago.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You'd think so, but as far as the conspirators are concerned, the job's done. They killed the AI and the Major. Going after more members of the Japanese FBI is just asking for trouble.
        As for the secret that the Major and AI merged to create a super baby, it's not like Batou is going to tell anyone. Then there's the fact that the super baby has all the skills and powers of its parents. It'd be really damn good at erasing its existence, and if it was ever found, it would be near impossible to contain.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe Major/Puppetmaster is in cyberspace looking out/running interference for Batou, it’s why she shows up to help during the doll factory assault in GITS: Innocence. Maybe she only started paying attention after the corner store hack. Who knows?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        GITS world is based on Japanese legacy of government state internal conspiracy where you had many different factions working at odds with each other.

        Section 9 is a clandestine special intelligence unit that works autonomously to other parts of the state, they're also cyber warfare experts, they have contingency if they need it, this happens in the TV series sometimes when they are publically burned and have open conflict with other parts of the state

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Hardest part to understand is what the Japanese government groups are doing and that the Puppet Master wanted to frick the Major to make a cyber baby.
      The puppet master was created as a way to force desirable diplomatic decisions.
      After the first scene the head of section 6 tells Aramaki that they have a hard decision to make concerning the asylum application of a 3rd world despot and that if he had a good reason to deport him that he would do it in a heartbeat.
      The puppet master hacks a thug and garbage man and makes them hack a government official's secretary in such a way as to cast the blame on the despot which allows Aramaki and section 6 to arrest and deport him.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      checked
      i still don't get it

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It was the puppet master listening into their convo, you dipshit

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    its ok, diverse people are allowed to watch despite 65 iq averages that mean you are clincally moronic by western standards. this is high school philosophy tier what is a soul and what it means to be human contextualized with AI, cyborg bodies, etc. oh, and souls are what white christians have. probably where the main confusion lies.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      t-thanks

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >this is high school philosophy tier
      Can you suggest something better? philosophy movies I mean.
      This and the second are my fav philosophy movies I want to see what else there is

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        S;G was kino and you got filtered.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          For

          [...]
          This shit has to be bait. S;G was unashamed tranime.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because of you I’m now listening to King of my Castle by Wamdue Project

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      based

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Must be a reason why I'm king of my castle
        >Must be a reason why I'm free to mud wrestle
        Why was mud wrestling so important?

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the better oshii movie
    2 is not canon

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >as far as I'm concerned, the only Patlabor I've made is Patlabor 2
      t. Mamoru Oshii

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >scratches eyes

    TWO OSHII GHOST IN THE SHELL THREADS?!

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "She"
    Motoko at least in some versions was digitized as a child before puberty and may have been a male that picks the female form to have sex with other women.
    You can only feel each others pleasure if you are wearing the same gendered bodies while you are fricking. (the author admits he made this restriction because he didn't want to draw guys asses all day)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the author admits he made this restriction because he didn't want to draw guys asses all day
      lmao oh, how the mighty have fallen

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >fallen
        You've got no idea what the manga (and his series after) are like. Horny robots/AI/brain-in-jars/cyborgs are a staple.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bell curve movie. notice how none of the detractors comprehend or even detect the spiritual aspects.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It sure looked good for its time.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It still looks good measured up against modern artstyles today. They don't do them like they used to.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wait do people here really believe "soul" is something magical instead of just physically written in our DNA?
    We are no different than robots

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How will that work when the body is robotic? When memories can be falsified and implanted? Are you still human with a soul then?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There is no difference, if you were born to a human mother you are a "human", if not you are just a computer program. Either way it doesn't matter.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Memories are already astonishingly mutable, arguably more so in meat than in silicon. It was always Bearenstien Bears btw

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The belief is pushed to the limit when Motoko is completely robotic except for a partial human brain

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Look up the hard problem of consciousness and what qualia are before you get so married to the meat robot meme

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I would consider a robot with a human brain a human. But only if their brain was transplanted as a way to save them, if its some kind of transhuman bs they are just trannies

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But does it have a soul?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I use soul and consciousness as interchangeable words so for me, yes they do.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think the movie isn't about moving the physical brain to a robot but you can copy over the "data" that make you a human into a robot. If you can copy it then you can also create it. In which case you won't know if you were originally human or just created from code.
        Basically everything in us is physical and can be explained not some "magical soul" like religious folk seem to believe. If we break it up into smaller pieces we can recreate it. Ofc we haven't reached that point yet but we will eventually.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >we will eventually.
          I doubt it, computers are infinitely less complex than a human mind. I think people just really underestimate the human body in general

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If it was a living brain placed inside an Xbox on a desk, instead of a humanoid body, would you think the same thing?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If it's just in our DNA then why is it so hard to turn a brain back on?

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pseud trash for redditors. Tank Police is the true Shirow kino. Black Magic M-66 is also acceptable.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Tank Police is the true Shirow kino.
      >kino
      Ironic since it's a visual dumpster fire in comparison to GITS.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I like both

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I watched it for the first time last year. It's just OK.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty much all of 90s jap scifi anime was like this. Existential dystopian dread. Movies too like the testuo series I didn't even get Akira and that was normie-tier back then

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Choose wisely, Cinemaphile

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bottom

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's because you watched the English dub. It has many translation errors. Watch a Subbed version and it will make much more sense.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Over specialise and breed in weakness, it's slow death.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Watch the show next if you want a cyber cop series

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the next evolution in ai is to merge aka sex where as up until that point ai was just asexual

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