I simultaneously think I get it, and I don't.
This is simultaneously the stupidest thing I've watched and the most fascinating thing I've ever watched.
Fire Walk With Me.
I simultaneously think I get it, and I don't.
I simultaneously think I get it, and I don't.
This is simultaneously the stupidest thing I've watched and the most fascinating thing I've ever watched.
Fire Walk With Me.
why? what was the point?
its more weird experimental 'jazz' than true great art
You're just trying to convince yourself that the Emperor is wearing clothes, because everyone else says he is, and they can't all be wrong.
Even though you know you don't get it, you are not willing to just say so, for fear of diverging form the pack. You are rationalizing and gas lighting yourself basically.
There is nothing to get btw. All this crap was made up pretty much on the fly, just doing whatever wacky crap popped into their heads with ni rwal meaning. For example:
>Later that day, a scene was being filmed in which Laura's mother experiences a terrifying vision; at the time, the script did not indicate what Mrs Palmer had seen. Lynch was pleased with how the scene turned out, but a crew member informed him that it would have to be re-shot, because a mirror in the scene had inadvertently picked up Silva's reflection. Lynch considered this a "happy accident", and decided that Silva's unnamed character would be revealed as Laura's true killer
Just whatever bullshit looked cool, and people ascribe meaning to it afterwards.
>Art is only art if every single detail is autistically planned out beforehand
I bet you think Scorsese has no clothes either because he had to change the saturation in the climax of TAXI DRIVER for censorship reasons and later said he came to prefer it.
>there is a deep meaning to this stuff that was not at all planed out before hand and was just done because it looked cool. You wouldn't get it because you're not deep and artistic like me
Yeah, a feeling and intuition of "this looks cool and wacky, lets do it". Like a child.
>THE EMPEROR IS WEARING CLOTHES! I CAN SEE THEM!
>The killer in a murder mystery, who is the focus of the whole show, made up on the spur of the moment
>one example
lol cope
>The killer
>who is the focus of the whole show
The focus of the show was the rest of the town reacting to Laura's murder.
You obviously don't know what focus means.
No, you obviously don't.
Lynch does everything based on feeling and intuition and you're a golem who can never understand why that's important because you've been disconnected from your natural divine instinct.
>There is nothing to get btw. All this crap was made up pretty much on the fly, just doing whatever wacky crap popped into their heads with ni rwal meaning. For example:
No I do get it. That's it. It's all meaningless show biz that's supposed to look cool and wacky, and sometimes tries to allude to things that happened earlier in the show that you're familar with, so that it doesn't feel like complete nonsense, so that at the very least it's all somewhat familar.
>You are rationalizing and gas lighting yourself basically.
You're wrong,
>You're just trying to convince yourself that the Emperor is wearing clothes, because everyone else says he is, and they can't all be wrong.
But you're half right. Just for the wrong reason.
I AM trying to rationalize why everyone thinks it's some super amazing deep shit. And I think I have. People just like the fact that it does some weird incoherent shit that isn't typical of most TV, and it looks cool and interesting because you have no idea what's going on, but it's pretending to actually mean something.
Any Lynch Fan that tries to tell me otherwise is lying unless they can provide an actual argument that isn't just "heh. you wouldn't get it. LYNCHED!"
>I'M NOT LYNCHED! I'M NOT LYNCHED!
Twin Peaks really isn't that hard to understand dude. And everything becomes even more obvious if you know anything about occult symbolism.
...I feel like nobody actually reads anything on this site.
but regardless. please do tell. I'm half convinced this is that really manipulative thing people on Cinemaphile do where they go "heh. you don't get it, and you're a total retard but...I'm not gunna explain why" where it's just posturing so they can call somebody dumb, and they never have any reasoning or justification. It's just fuck with someone like the worthless shallow garbage human beings they are.
What do you want to know about?
Okay. Let me ask something. I think I just realized the disconnect.
Is Bob the Killer?
Are Souls Real?
Did Bob possess Cooper?
Is there a magical surreal space with red curtains around the sycamore trees or whatever?
Did Nadine just become a 35 year old woman again because she got hit with that stage sand bag or whatever?
If the answer to all this is yes.
Basically what I'm asking is this:
Is the plot of Twin Peaks as surface level and immediate as it presents itself. No deeper meaning beyond "Evil spirit kills things evilly" and "Town is magical and Cooper has am uncanny interest in thr mystical, and everybody else just treats that as normal"
It's not bad. Infact, like I said. I liked the episode because I understood that there was nothing to understand. I'd just like people to stop pretending it's anymore than that. It's just nice cool wacky shit, making the mundane and generic seem more interesting than it is. And that's fascinating in its own right.
>Is Bob the Killer?
Yes and no. Bob doesn't so much mind control his host as he does just influence them. He's the spirit of sexual trauma that turns a former victim into the next victimizer.
>Are Souls Real?
Yes
>Did Bob possess Cooper?
No, Cooper was replaced by his shadow self and Bob hitched a ride inside the doppelganger's soul.
>Is there a magical surreal space with red curtains around the sycamore trees or whatever?
Yeah, kinda. It's a sub-realm of existence, the same 'place' where dreams happen. Take note of Cooper's dialogue about dreams and electrical impulses in episode 3, it's extremely important.
>Did Nadine just become a 35 year old woman again because she got hit with that stage sand bag or whatever?
Pretty much.
>Is the plot of Twin Peaks as surface level and immediate as it presents itself.
There's deeper stuff to understand but you don't need to understand it to 'get it'. You can just as well feel it.
It also sounds like you haven't watched season 3 yet, it's very unlike the first two seasons and more like Fire Walk With Me.
>sexual trauma that turns a former victim into the next victimizer.
? sexual trauma doesn't turn former victims into victimizers?
if we take a moment to consider only rape. The entire point of "rape culture" was that, rape isn't the picture of some dude dragging woman into an alley way and raping them, it's your son's, your husband's, your uncles, your friends, your boyfriends etc.
and this is supported by the fact that this is born out in the statistics. I'm pretty sure this is the case for most crimes too. You will be a victim of somebody you know.
Woman are significantly less likely to be the perpetrators of any crime. But they also experience the most sexual crimes.
Men experience far less sexual crimes. But are also more likely to be the perpetrators of crime.
There's zero reason or connection to be made between sexual trauma and being a victimizer. At the very most it's correlative, but the facts I've demonstrated above even suggest that's not the case.
No idea why people always try to create such simple and narrow explanations for why people are the way they are or do the things they do. I can only imagine because the horror of the reality is harder to accept and tolerate. It's nicer, easier, simpler and Black and white to just blame assault of any kind on having been a victim.
Not trying to attack you or anything. I just find the thought very odd for how common it is.
>There's deeper stuff to understand but you don't need to understand it to 'get it'.
Like, what "Fire Walk With Me" means? I don't get it. What's the deeper stuff? That's what I like, that's the whole reason I read or watch anything. For the deeper stuff. "Feeling" it isn't enough, that's not understanding to me. There will always be a vague knack at the back of my head otherwise that it doesn't mean anything otherwise.
>It also sounds like you haven't watched season 3 yet
Yeah. I'm watching Fire Walk With Me right now. Should I watch the missing pieces too or whatever?
It's hard to talk about everything but I'd say one of the bigger points is that evil is a feedback loop. The Black Lodge exists inside the 'fire', aka the electricity, in this case electricity is the fundamental spiritual power in the universe. Nikola Tesla believed electromagnetism was the Ain Soph Aur spoken of in Kabbalah. The electrical impulses that make the human work at all are the same electricity that is the Lodges. When people do evil, they feed evil power into the Black Lodge. And the Black Lodge in turn feeds more evil back into the world, influencing people into performing more evil. The most visible aspect of that in the first two seasons is Leland. Leland was raped as a kid at the lake house, and that's when Bob "came inside" him. So he carried Bob's spirit and did the same evil to Laura, and would have passed Bob's evil into her if she hadn't refused him and forced him to kill her instead.
>cites one example
>this means everything was made up on the fly
You are a stupid homosexual.
>Just whatever bullshit looked cool, and people ascribe meaning to it afterwards.
that's literally what lynch has said his work is this entire time. he just makes cool looking films and says fuck off if you ask him to explain what it means, then nerds make 8 hour videos talking about their fanfiction theories.
But it's never complicated.
>wouldn't it be cool if the villain was the interested looking set dresser guy with the long silvery hair?
It doesn't actually mean anything, but it's not like the concept of an evil spirit/entity that kills people for fun just because it's evil shouldn't be some kind of foreign concept to anyone. People just get distracted by the paint job.
I see him acting more out altruism and hoping willpower would be enough to see him through, that's the reason the White Lodge made use of him as well.
>duelling midwits
Lynch is Americana superimposed over classic French surrealism. The point of it is that it's supposed to be impressionistic first, divorcing narrative and emotional context. The fact that Lynch's films still feel authentic despite this is why he's so highly regarded as an auteur.
There's nothing complicated, incohent or 2deep4u about it, unless you're so pedestrian you've ignored approximately the last 60 years in art and literature where everyone and their grandma took time to write their 'Postmodernism for Dummies' thesis and concluded the above.
So, yes, you do not 'get it' and have been unironically LYNCHED.
>So, yes, you do not 'get it' and have been unironically LYNCHED.
Sometimes it feels like Lynch fans don't get anything and are just waiting to tell somebody they got Lynched. Because I undoubtedly got it. And nothing you explained provided new insight to the experience I had.
Twin Peaks and Lynch in general is meant to be felt not picked apart
I think the misunderstanding comes from the way people talk about and describe it. Almost as if it has something special or deep to say. When the special part is just on the surface. It's just about the presentation and direction.
BOB kills Earle for getting in the way, it's not complicated.
And in terms of Windom Earle's "storyline" it's just the classic flying too close to the sun type of thing where he wants to figure the Black Lodge out and use it but he was not equipped for that.
He wasn't equipped, but neither was Coop. Anyway for me it's In the Sycamore Trees.
But Coop wasn't trying to co-opt the power, he generally respected it, and he was actually a potential asset to the Black Lodge which is why they made a doppelgänger and swapped him out. rather than burning his brain/soul to death or whatever.
Coop wasn't trying to steal any power, but he was still arrogant and thought he could outsmart the Black Lodge. He's the Magician archetype, an initiate into the occult whose first taste of hidden knowledge makes him think he understands a lot more than he actually does.
Bob was terribly cast and just a dumb character in general
This is Lynch's best film.
>lapel pin
He's Gordon inverted. And given the conditions of the production of season 2, a tulpa even. Same as Annie Blackburn.
Donna's new actor is way better btw. Her expressions are better, the way she wears that hairstyle is better, the way she sits is better, just everything about her fits just right.
She hits that "normal innocent girl who wants to be special" vibe way better than the last actor
Prettier never = Better is what I've learned.
Donna should be cute, and she's adorable.
What was Laura's problem btw? Why was she so fucked up?
Targeted by evil from before her birth.