I still don't understand this scene. They state that the crate was locked into position, but then the raptor seemingly ran towards the back of the container and it rolled back? How did that happen if it was locked? Can you even move a box you are inside even if it weren't locked?
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due to their size and some hints from their fossils it is postulated that raptors were a relatively socially intelligent.
this of course means they are so fricking smart they're magic and could easily outwit any movie bad guy who is of course dumb and probably conservative too
Of course Muldoon is conservative. Look at him clinging to that gun like the chud that he is. If he were a real man, he would fight that raptor with his bare hands.
In the novel the lawyer was kinda Chad, and gets in a brawl with one of the raptors, does okay.
the raptors are 3 feet tall and 100lbs in the book.
No they aren't. Well, the one the other anon is talking about it, but it's a juvenile.
A lot of confusion about the Raptors in JP stem from the fact that their name was changed in the 90's.
The book was written in '85, and at that time, what's referred to as a Raptor in the book was Velociraptor Antirrhopus. Some time after the book came out, Antirrhopus was renamed to Deinonychus.
So the Raptors in Jurassic Park are actually meant to be Deinonychus, not Mongoliensis. It's kind of like the idea that the T-rex couldn't see them if they stood still, which was widely accepted in the 80's but was later proven wrong.
>um actually
>is still wrong
They're not 7 feet tall like in the movie, they are 3 feet tall.
Wrong, they are pretty consistently described as being from man-sized to slightly bigger than an adult human with a 2 foot long skull.
Nope, only the one Tim fought is described as being this size. None of the ones Muldoon or Genero were blowing up were said to be man sized. They were fighting juvenile raptors prior to the final boss one. Even still, many are said to be young, as there's dozens in the book, but there's only said to be a few adults.
is this some madela effect shit because in all my dinosaur books as a kid deinonychus was like 6ft tall.
look at this shit
That's one big pile of shit
the skull on the JP raptor is clearly utahraptor, which is a little bit BIGGER then the JP raptors.
and when the jp movie was released in cinema, shortly after utahraptor was discovered.
Utah must have been a crazy scary place with these things flying around
utah's 2 most famous dino's are Allosaurus and utah raptor
I want a microtapter pet. And a Utahraptor mount.
microraptor would make for a cute pet
No, hes a big puss and spends most of the climax hiding and relying on Grant to save him and the kids. The raptor he fought off was the one Muldoon maimed with a rocket.
Isn't every character in the film relatively conservative or unstated?
Even the hippy hates the concept of playing god.
Malcolm (the author's self insert) comes off as a jaded hippie in a padded trench coat
Raptors are absurdly intelligent in the book, unironically probably smarter than humans in their ability to immediately understand and solve complicated problems. Also they are able to chew through steel.
lmao what
it's a michael cryaton book
mankind bred a big frog monster so it's an eldritch demon with omniscient intelligence
>due to their size and some hints from their fossils it is postulated that raptors were a relatively socially intelligent.
Not true in the slightest. From what we know they were lone hunters not smarter than a turkey
wasn't one of the themes that the park was rushed and halfassed?
Looks like the lock failed
Yes. It's this.
Let's all pause and thing for one second about thises scene.
Cutting edge genetics
Huge laboratory
Massive animal pens
Everything has to be shipped in
Massive luxury suites and rotary aircraft service facilities
Yet the gate for an incredibly dangerous and expensive animal is manually lifted by what I'm sure is a non-union laborer that drew the short straw.
Hammond clearly cut costs in all the wrong places, this is just one of tge first places your startle to see the cracks.
That's because the book is trash and everything good about the movie came out of Spielberg's head and this is a scene out of the book
Lies. The book’s story is superior just the same as most novels compared to the movies.
The book is far better and this scene is not in the book. moron.
OP scene is the prologue of the book. It is told as if the man getting attacked survived and goes to a local clinic but dies, but I guess you're right, I don't see the scene of the cage or the lock
Malding (and balding) brainlets are the worst cancer here
this genuinely is a realistic scenario though, businesses are penny wise and pound..well, I forgot the last word of the phrase but you know what I mean. Probably less than 1% of businesses are properly managed by non moron managers or people who aren't totally greedy
if they think they can cut corners they will while simultaneously spending massive amounts on bullshit
Doors in the movie have no mechanical locks that aren’t affected by power outages as well. A great lack of easily accessible fire arms to security as well as tying it all into one computer system which was compromised by an under paid employee.
Hammond was completely at fault for Jurassic park disaster because he didn’t pay enough for the basics. Definitely didn’t pay Nedry enough and put all his eggs into one basket.
>waa nedry didn't get paid enough
okay whatever, does that give him an out for killing dozens if not hundreds of innocent people and stealing a rocket launcher, the one thing that could kill anything on the island? No
Well, it’s the reason the disaster happened. I’ll intentions or not. Nedry is a greedy douche and that has consequences
ill*
Nedry's still absolutely a sociopathic butthole, but Hammond is the reason the whole thing cascaded into a disaster. If the park had proper safety protocols (and they had carefully kept track of the animals, instead of thinking about ticket sales and the gift shop), then one dweeb cutting the power in a storm wouldn't have resulted in a bunch of deaths.
Is it true that 'Nedry' is 'Nerdy' spelt different to make it a name?
>nedry = nerdy
>ian malcom = i am malcom (crichton's mouthpiece)
>grant = always looking to grants
>hammond = hamming it up
kekd
>it's Hammond's fault the computer programmer was a sociopath that got bought off by Hammond's financial and technological rivals
Now that I say that isn't the whole spiel about Nedry not being paid enough him coping over risking hundreds of people's lives for money
His grievance was being kept in the dark about the details of the highly complex job he was hired to do, and when the limited or inadequate information resulted in bugs, he was called back in to fix them on his own time for no additional pay as if it was his fault. And to coerce him into accepting that, they threatened to smear him and his company throughout the corporate world so he would never work again.
The question you're not asking is why did the raptor have to kill the black man? He's the first person on screen. Racism within Hollywood runs deep.
Ok, just watched it. They never say it's locked in. The cage is put down by a forklift onto a sliding track. The guards slide it forward until its at the pen gate. Then the black guy gets on top to raise the cage gate. The Raptor then runs and hits the cage wall hard enough that it rolls backwards and the black guy falls over into the opening. If they'd had a lock, then yea, it wouldn't have been possible. But they comment a lot that there's tons of bugs and missing safety features like locks on the car doors too.
Aren't there lights on the side which go from red to green as the crate is slid in? What are they meant to represent if not a lock?
That's the inner dilemma of Jurassic park. If he spared no expense, and all this bad shit happens anyway then is it really Hammond's fault that bad shit is happening? Isn't it everybody under him being incompetent or sociopathic as frick? You're supposed to hate Hammond for "fricking around with nature to make a cool park for his grandkids" because "philanthropy bad" but every single time something goes wrong it's because somebody has some sort of sociopathic break or is randomly grossly incompetent or deleterious. That's Michael Crichton in my opinion being a bad writer
If you're thinking of the book, Hammond is absolutely not a philanthropist. That wonderful monologue about the flea circus isn't in the book. Hammond even makes a snide comment about how he's giving dinosaurs to the children of the world, or at least to the children with very rich parents.
Movie Hammond is a somewhat reckless optimist, a classic showman whose dreams exceeded his grasp of reality. Book Hammond is more like a conman or corporate raider, happy to produce a trash product for massive profits and ignore the huge physical danger he's putting people in.
I don't really get that. Hammond is convinced that if he buys the most skilled person or thing for every part of his park that he deserves to gloat. The only way the reader is shown that Hammond is supposed to be a bad person is when something goes wrong at the park. The problem is every time something goes wrong at the park it's somebody else's fault.
Keep in mind the other theme of the book is that "everything that can go wrong will go wrong". Hammond is like a Tony Stark and his enemy is the primordial God of chaos or Satan. Can you really say that Hammond is a bad person because he doesn't succeed against Satan?
I doubt Crichton thought it out this much
But it isn't someone else's fault, it all comes down to Hammond's decisions. To cheap out on Nedry, to insist things be done quickly rather than properly, etc
Hammond being a massive failure at judging people's character despite their pricetag is a small sin in the face of "Hammond is evil because his life is ruined by a primordial chaos god that he isn't even aware exists".
I guess Crichton's point is that his self inset character Malcom coming to the island and saying "dude this island sucks and you're moronic" was supposed to be Hammond's warning that he was eventually going to get eating by dinosaurs because Malcolm's chaos god that he worships willed it with zero warning signs.
>To cheap out on Nedry, to insist things be done quickly rather than properly, etc
That's not how it goes in the book or the movie.
The movie depicts Nedry as fricking up and needing to come back and fix the work and simply wants more money for correcting his mistakes.
The book, they never tell Nedry what any of the coding is for. They fail to tell him they are studying DNA and they leave out the wildlife is dinosaurs. He is left in the dark on the actual use of the systems and when they inevitably don't work correctly, they demand he fix them. Nedry tries to either get out of it or get more pay. They lock tie him up with lawsuits, so he rescinds and comes back to finish the work. Hammond insists he did it wrong the first place.
I'd say, in the book and movie, Hammond doesn't actually understand any of this stuff and believes Nedry is a frick up. In the book though, Hammond is wrong, in the movie, we're lead to believe Hammond is right.
>The problem is every time something goes wrong at the park it's somebody else's fault.
Why the book park fell
>shoddy genetic engineering allowed dinosaurs to breed - hammond was a businessman not a scientist, so he can't be held responsible
>the computer used to track dinosaur numbers was programmed only to check if there was at least x number of dinosaurs but not the total number of dinosaurs - hammond was a businessman not a programmer, so he really can't be held too responsible for this
>nedry was trapped by a shit contract and made to program shit without knowing exact details, which partially led to him decing frick this shit and becoming an agent for biosyn - hammond can be seen as been somewhat responsible for nedry's shitty code but him becoming a saboteur is 100% on nedry himself
>the park was designed to be operated with a minimum crew and relied way too much on cutting edge technology that had reliability issues - hammond can be seen responsible, but as basically all businesses try to maximize their profits, so it can't be held too much against him
>hammond didn't allow dinosaurs to be killed and their bodies dissected when it turned out that there were unexplained biological quirks to them (i.e. dilophosaurus could spit venom) - hammond 100% responsible
>hammond didn't allow enough heavy weaponry to be held in the park because muh expensive dinosaurs and we don't need it because muh tech makes dinosaurs escaping impossible - hammond 100% responsible
He also didn't spend the money to establish a port on the island that would be safe from storms/hurricanes.
Hammond went into the whole project with impure motives without any appreciation or respect for nature or the magnitude of what he set out to accomplish. Such as the dinosaurs struggling somewhat to breath in modern Earth's atmosphere or being poisoned by local plants (no vet on Earth truly knows how to treat a dino).
Hammond isn't solely responsible for the park's failure but he is a part of it and in the moments before his death he has learned nothing and taken responsibility for nothing.
tell me you're a libertarian without telling me you're a libertarian
if you're the boss, you're responsible
if you don't understand any of the shit you're paying for and are in charge of, you're a fricking idiot and shouldn't be running a mcdonalds
b-but how can he be held responsible for not telling his chief programmer enough about the project for him to do a good job, instead of lying and then forcing the programmer to work for free to patch up all the problems happening because of not telling him what's actually needed??? Nedry's just a big meany for choosing to take the paycheck of the rival company who's actually willing to pay him instead of using him as an indentured servant!
I like the bit in the book where Malcom will wax philosophical about nature and chaos theory and the horrors or science and Hammond goes
>I don't get it
It's pretty odd how Hammond invited Malcolm to come to the island in the first place when he understand nothing about what he does
I think he's deluded and convinced Malcom will be impressed with the park and say some mumbo jumbo that will win Genarro over
Then they go in the tour of the genetics lab and Malcom and Grant are asking like 15 questions a second and Wu starts seething
No but legitimately, who the frick is Ian Malcolm to a billionaire philanthropist and why would he care about his opinion when he demonstrate he doesn't even have entry level knowledge about what he does. That's legitimately his only reason for being there, to give a thumbs up or thumbs down, but Hammond doesn't even give enough of a shit about him to know anything about him but desperately desires his opinion?
Correct. Book Hammond is a dipshit. He hired smart people to do stuff for him and be consultants and then blamed them all when the park failed.
He doesn't even care about his grandkids, he just wanted them there so Genarro would see that kids love the dinos.
It doesn't really make sense though. If the whole point of the book is to pick apart how shit of a human Hammond is and use him a ideological pillar in the book to create some sort of a message eventually if everything is his fault the entire narrative falls apart and he's just a madman that lucked into a trillion dollar dinosaur park like willy wonka.
It's not necessarily just destroying Hammond, but he's the strawman for those who think they can control nature, those who don't see nature as chaos.
There's a good part where he says that if the animals get loose on the mainland they'll destroy the planet, but Malcom corrects him saying the planet will be fine, it's humans that are fricked.
Basically, people like Hammond have an overinflated sense of what they can control or destroy.
The park wasn't pure luck, and it's downfall was inevitable, Hammond or no, he happened to be particularly dickish about his practices.
The intellectual forces at play in the book are a reflection of Crichton's own intelligence and I frankly thing Crichton talks about a whole lot of shit in the book he hasn't the slightest clue about
If I remember correctly, Hammond bought into trends, and Chaos Theory was trendy at the time. He paid Malcolm to create a mathematical model about the success of the park, which Malcolm concluded would end in failure. Hammond then ignored his conclusions. Then he had to invite him to the island because the investors were getting worried, and Hammond was inviting all the consultants he hired.
That could be almost any page. You must really like this book.
Except for the parts where Gennaro says he doesn't get it, it's just not the same.
Yeah it happens a lot. I finished it yesterday, I'm sperging a bit
It's not nuanced, but its very entertaining.
I feel like movie Hammond was fleeced hard by everyone who worked for him since he was such a optimist and as a result the park was built shoddily and everyone pocketed the rest.
which is a much better story than "hammond is evil and must die", which reallydrives home how odd his gruesome "cathartic" death was when it was largely undeserved
I'd think Hammond never saw a single invoice and was just told he got the best which is why he constantly spouts the gospel of no expenses spared and is confused and angry when shit goes south and things break, dinos get sick and security goes to hell because of one technician. The cage death was either hidden from him or he was told it was a freak accident that would never ever happen again.
Malcolm is mentioned offhand as an "early consultant" and the next time he's mentioned he's on the plane to the park. There's really nothing in there about why, the only tidbit in the book is he says to Hammond "your old nemesis" like they have a strained relationship but that's it. There's practically nothing about their relationship. Not a page later Hammond is look at "the lawyer" and throwing his hands up and blaming him for inviting Malcolm. There's legitimately no chemistry and you could even say they don't respect each other. So it's pretty odd why he would want him at the park even if he was worried about it failing
Movie Hammond is an obvious Spielberg self insert who's just the happy showman who wants to give joy to children.
Which is also why he turned Gennaro into a b***h, merged his character with Regis and gave him a humiliating death - Spielberg hates lawyers who want to stop him from doing the cool thing.
Actually Gennaro split into Ian Malcolm. In the original draft Crichton adapted to a screen play, he had cut out Malcolm entirely. Gennaro in the final took on some of what Regis did, while retaining his own position.
book hammond is a stone cold buisness man that doesn't even give a frick about his niece and nephew. he dies falling off some stairs and getting eaten by compies.
movie hammond is a loveable grandpa that wanted to make a dream come through but forgot to consider the consequences.
You must not have just watched it, because I just watched it and Muldoon says its locked just after the lights switch from red to green. He then tells the loading team to step back.
it’s a safari operation in a third world country, do you think its safe? moron
for me it's the Westinghouse SPB-100
>Be Alan Grant
>Somehow swap places with Ellie and go down to the generator room because why not, take a shotgun with you
>Ignore his careful instructions and spam all the buttons like the other anon's gif as revenge for talking him you into going to this shithole park
>You could be back at your trailer at the dig banging qt interns
>Mash the button marked fences in anger
>Timmy fricking dies on the fence ten times over, nothing left but a fricking black skeleton in a burnt shirt and shorts
>Overload everything, kick the whole button panel hard and shoot it
>Every system is fricked, locks, fences, the goddamn lights, even fricking toilets explode
>Raptors now in the control room with Hammond
>In the middle of urinating all over the generator box as a final frick you, you hear Hammond scream your name on the phone
>His face when he realises what the frick you did
*revenge for him
Push it.
Why is that image so satisfying?
I fricking want one of these so bad just to pump the flappy bit and push the buttons.
are you the anon who bought one for some ridiculous sum just to install in your own house?
https://www.osha.gov/workers/file-complaint
Isn't this how they move animals at the zoo? Put the cage next to an enclosure, open one door and hope for the best. No one thought the raptor would be strong enough to charge the back of the cage and move the whole thing.
yeah actually
the velociraptors in the book are only able to be killed with a rocket launcher. The crocodile dundee guy blows one's leg off with a shotgun and it shrugs it off and keeps living, seemingly indefinitely. He makes them sound like some kind of zombie
book raptors are psycho's that even kill and eat their own young.
Better question, why was the raptor bulletproof?
they don't shoot her, hence why he shouts that they should, in the rather famous line of "shooooot heeeerrrrr", they are using the cattleprods mounted to their gun, on the cage.
They were ready for the raptor but the Chilean Sea Bass that was inside caught them off guard
SHOOT HER. SHOOOOOOOOT HEEEER
I didnt see anyone shooting at them. What did he mean?
Muldoon wanted her shot, not tazed. He thought they were dangerous and should have been destroyed, but the suits would wouldn’t lose an asset over a Mexican laborer.
>mfw there are people that think the Raptor in this scene is supposed to be The Big One
>when they fricking shoot it
>shotguns in the book shown to be ineffective at incapacitating a raptor
lets not pick at the internal logic of the book adaptation too much
How would the assault rifles they were carrying do though?
It's said in the book that "if you don't kill the brain the raptor lives" their basically eldritch spawn, ridiculously overpowered, nigh omniscient and evil
also remember this scene, grant shoots one with a shotgun and it's fine, which is probably a callback to the book
The suspense in this scene is kind of contrived since the kid brother is doing jack shit just watching his sis on the computer.... literally could have picked up the shotgun for the adults holding the door. Dumb.
realistically there is nothing he could do, he couldn't shoot the gun nor could he hold the door. It took both adults to hold the door so if they got up to shoot they'd open the door for the raptor.
I always just had it in my head that Grant is a shit shot and panic blasted and largely missed.
which is also entirely possible, but kind of defeats the purpose of him carrying around a gun
Dumb post
This is obviously what happened
It jammed on him although later we see that it wasn't very serious and someone experienced with guns would've been able to clear it with no problem.
he shot AT it with a shotgun, we don't see if he hits and the raptor shows no signs of being injured or even bruised.
It's not that they live, they just don't immediately die, so they still have time to disembowel you before their body stops moving. So you gotta blow 'em up. Apparently.
Which is actually a real thing with reptiles, but he definitely took it to nigh invulnerable territory
For instance this snake was partially eaten by a rat exposing its spine and ribcage while sedated and lived. But traumatic injuries aren't "rare" in mammals either. I remember watching a video where a deer was walking around nonchalantly and all its skin was gone on one side and it was missing muscles down to its ribcage from a car accident
Deer are kind of like that, except instead of disemboweling you they just keep running for a while after taking fatal damage.
almost everything on earth is like that to varying degrees. People are like that, too. Guns don't kill people usually. The seeping holes that their life juices poor out of do.
>Guns don't kill people usually. The seeping holes that their life juices poor out of do.
I bet you thought it sounded smart when you wrote that
But he’s right
>autism
Technically the seeping holes didn’t cause death either. The loss of blood caused less oxygen to reach the brain, resulting in brain death
You don't have to pre-empt all your posts by letting us know you're going to write something autistic.
Because she is and obviously they don't shoot her you don't understand the language of cinema.
They do shoot her.
>the raptor seemingly ran towards the back of the container
it's even worse, the raptor runs toward the gate and bashes it and somehow that knocks the whole container backward
if you rewatch the scene there's actually no "lock", the entire system relies on the weight of the container (that ten grown men could barely move)
Do you know what's even funnier? The religious (fiction worshippers) don't actually think dinos ever existed. yes, they are that dumb.
Why didn't they kill the raptors at the first sign of high intelligence? Frickers were testing the fences before the event of the movie
For the same reason Muldoon had to fight Hammond to stock the park with firearms: the dinosaurs are expensive and Hammond didn't want them getting hurt.
Why not use a forklift to open the cage?
Even if the raptor charges on the other side there would be no humans and they can freely shoot them if they tried to escape
dilopharsususes don't look that tough and nedry was a pretty big guy I bet he could have fought it off
this is like saying you could fight off a wolf that's attacking you.
>big
You mean fat
how do i get legs like this
simple. You dont skip a leg day.
Walk up the stairs to look down at the Raptors multiple times every single day, making sure they're not escaping.
play rugby
The point should be pretty clear m8. They think the proceedures, precautions and design were enough but they were not. They did everything correctly but it was not good enough. They underestimated the beast.
I remember being so confused when i read the book when i was younger, it has almost nothing in common with the movie whatsoever
>Genaro the lawyer was jacked
>he cared deeply about the safety of the children
>fires rockets and saves the day countless times over
>the mechsuits
yeah the book was crazy, shame it read like a pamplet
Spinochad > Therizinosaurus > T-Rex > Gigakek > Rexy > IndoJUST
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