>I want to explore the alternatives to just wage slaving away 40 years
>Americans in a high pitch choir: WHAAAT!?
>I want to explore the alternatives to just wage slaving away 40 years. >Americans in a high pitch choir: WHAAAT!?
>I want to explore the alternatives to just wage slaving away 40 years
>Americans in a high pitch choir: WHAAAT!?
but americans invented the side hustle
people who say side hustle unironically are chill as hell no cap
Literally me. I won. Kind of.
Being a Wagie is the most fulfilling thing in life
>beak breaking manual labor is a great alternative
are you a bird?
but working construction is also wage slaving
>buck breaking
And then below that there's apparently a coded message of the film.
I enjoy having a career. It is nice having a sense of purpose, accomplishment and progression. And the sense of community and camaraderie among coworkers is enjoyable as well. Not to mention having the money to pursue hobbies, buy nice things, and travel.
>I enjoy having a career. It is nice having a sense of purpose, accomplishment and progression. And the sense of community and camaraderie among coworkers is enjoyable as well. Not to mention having the money to pursue hobbies, buy nice things, and travel.
None of those things.
Oh no! Not security! Aaaaaah! My juvenile idealized version of individualism.
>I’m incapable of accomplishing any of my goals so I feel like I have to bring those that are capable down to my level so I don’t have to face the reality of what a fricking loser I am
What do you do that makes you not an npc anon? I hate to break it to you but laying in bed all day posting on Cinemaphile while covered in your own semen doesn’t make you better than someone with a career
This, can someone photoshop this quote on top of an NPCs head in a video game
>why doesn't everybody leech of their parents like I do?
You are alienated
Not really, I genuinely enjoy my work and I don't work in a woke industry so my coworkers are decent down-to-earth family oriented people who I genuinely enjoy working with. Plus I get paid pretty well so i can buy cool things and do cool stuff. I like having a job, feel bad for the people who don't!
>i AM happy
>i ENJOY working
>the company IS woke
>my coworkers ARE decent
>it PAYS well
>i BUY cool things
>i LIKE having a job
>WORK SLEEP EAT REPEAT
>i AM free thinking
>this IS a good life
Plenty of people are very happy in their professional lives anon and obviously the benefits that having a good career brings speak for themselves. I'm sorry you're unfulfilled, maybe try a new career!
Anon, you are talking to either a.) a child b.) a communist who will be miserable for the rest of their lives no matter what.
now you see, that anon was perfectly content talking to NEETanon about working, everything was kept perfectly polite and civilised. Until you. You had to barge in and start screaming and hurling insults at somebody for no reason. Maybe NEETanon should learn that NPCanon is content with their job, and is comfortable too, and NPCanon should learn that some people are less suited to plain comfortability and hope for bigger things. Maybe you need to learn to not eavesdrop and to mind other anons' business. Please.
this. i've been a NEET and a wagie and i'll pick the wagie life every time.
>wagie
>career
im the opposite, ive been a NEET and a wagie and being a NEET is significantly better
no amount of money can buy freedom
Office Space is a movie about what would have happened to Cameron if he didn’t have Ferris Bueller to take him out of himself. Some people don’t need a career change, they need a mindset change. Which is what happens in Office Space.
maybe if it's a good career. i can't even think of one though. what do you do?
>I enjoy having a career. It is nice having a sense of purpose, accomplishment and progression. And the sense of community and camaraderie among coworkers is enjoyable as well. Not to mention having the money to pursue hobbies, buy nice things, and travel.
none of these things the main character from Office Space had
>And the sense of community and camaraderie among coworkers is enjoyable as well
and that's how I know you're just larping and never worked a single day in your life
Pretty much. There were a few jobs I've had where we actually had camaraderie but that's because of proximity and isolation. We were all in the same boat and it forced us to be friends so we weren't lonely. Any job I've had that wasn't in the wilderness was at best, we tolerate each other and occasionally there was a friend or two.
are you a woman?
NOOOOO YOU ARE PLAYING INTO THE israeliteS HANDS BY HAVING A FULFILLING CAREER AND SAVING MONEY NOOOOOOO
I used to as well before realizing something. "The day after you leave, it will be as if you weren't there at all in the first place"
I've seen it happen to people who worked at my place 10+ years, the day after they left no one even so much as thought about them, let alone a week after.
Mike Judge is a Hack. Silicon Valley office workers get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars per year.
This movie is basically attacked a Straw Man. Same with all of his bullshit tv shows/films.
60% of Silicon Valley workers can't even afford a home. They are much better off in Austin though.
don't worry they've ruined austin already as well
I don’t understand what you mean. If you’ve worked in an office you would understand the soul-crushing feeling of spending so much of your life in a profoundly unnatural and miserable environment. Why do zoomers have a hate boner for this movie?
Also, the original ending of the movie was a lot more cynical.
I've worked in an office since 2010. I work in Medical Devices. It's amazing. I get paid a shitload, my work directly helps patients with hip/knee/spinal implants, and sometimes they even visit our campus and I can meet with them.
Your job actually has some meaning though. In Office Space he's making minor changes to code he didn't care about. He didn't see any real benefit to himself or meaningful impact from working hard on it, and it was completely uninteresting. There are tons of borderlie pointless jobs like that, and it's easy to feel like your wasting your life away doing them.
But even in Office Space (and the real world), there were tons of people/companies working on solving the Y2K issue, which had a real world impact of making sure that power plants still worked, airplanes didn't drop from the sky, etc. If Peter Gibbons wasn't such a dumbshit (i.e. Mike Judge stand-in), then he would've realized how valuable his contribution to society actually was.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2000_problem#Programming_solutions
you'd have to be seriously fricked in the head to be able to ignore the misery of your immediate existence over something as abstract as the social utility of solving minor software issues in far-away power plants. doctors etc who might derive satisfaction from helping people can actually SEE THEM get better. "your life will be grey and soulless but somewhere out there a machine will be less likely to break" is a deal only a bugman would accept.
This. Before I quit my job, I was working on incrementally improving data transfer speeds for a very specific type of network. Not even actually improving them, but creating a tool to give some measurements that might someday be used to improve them. And it was clear from early on that nobody was actually going to use our tool even if we finished it. Completely soul-sucking, pointless work.
Naw, totally disagree.
It's a sign of intelligence to think in abstract concepts and tie pieces together on your own.
In Office Space, the simpleton Peter (i.e. Mike Judge) decides to work construction, since he can literally see the building being constructed (or demolished, in his case). He's not very intelligent, and thus has to have a job like that.
Luckily Mike Judge was a naturally talented animator, and he was able to get his start making a cartoon series for MTV. If he wasn't talented, he would've ended up doing some other type of menial work.
>It's a sign of intelligence to think in abstract concepts and tie pieces together on your own.
it doesn't matter what abstract thoughts of your great utility you fill your head with when your immediate environment and daily routine is fricking you up, you will deteriorate. garbage in, garbage out. it doesn't matter if you imagine yourself thin while eating trash food, that's delusion. capacity for self-delusion is not intelligence.
>After graduating from the University of California, San Diego in 1985, he held several brief jobs in physics and mechanical engineering, but found himself growing bored with science
Yeah that Mike Judge is a real dummy.
I don't want to help anyone or my job to be meaningful, I don't care about any of that.
I just want a comfy time.
the average office worker does not feel that he is directly helping heal the sick
Congratulations on being in the top 2% of jobs for both pay and impact. Most people kvetching in this thread probably don’t share your circumstances and maybe never will. Pity them instead of telling them that relating to office space is gay and wrong
It wasn't always like that, from the age of 26-32 I was a low level employee. It took YEARS to work up to a decent level to see my actions actually having an impact.
what's natural about construction other than the physical. nothing is natural about electrical work, asbestis abatement, tying into shit pipes, etc.
These cushy kiddos with no life experience don't realize the trades is arguably MORE repetitive and soulless than a white collar job.
Sure on your first job or two it's all "wow this is so cool, I'm learning skills and working with my hands!" And then about 6 months in you realize that most buildings are designed pretty much the same, your tasks don't vary that much,, and you're going to be doing the same work every day until you're dead. I see so many college kids fantasize about being an electrician, that always seems to be the trade they latch onto. Yes my son enjoy wiring the exact same 200A Eaton panels for the next 25 years, super exciting stuff so glad you're not in an air conditioned office doing spreadsheets huh!
Then don't do the same job. Learn new skills, learning plumbing and electrics, then once you have a well rounded set of skills start flipping houses or become a contractor, you will know exactly what you are doing and already have all the tools and expertise, you can cut costs considerably and take advantage of all the other hoohas in real estate.
The residential sector is literally the most boring, repetitive part of the construction industry. And the Golden era of house flipping is looooong gone. Oh and also doing work in the MEP trades typically requires specialty licensure which can only be applied for after you gain a set amount of experience (typically 10+ years ) and has to be maintained through continuing education. Not to mention what you're describing would also entail the usual bullshit associated with running a business i.e. liability insurance, taxes and bookeeping, payroll, etc
Sounds like a highly simplistic, idealized concept of what the construction industry is like I am betting you are very young and have no clue what the blue collar world or business in general is actually like sorry
I'd rather just work a stable office job, which I do
The original ending reflected that his new job was no better
>60% of Silicon Valley workers can't even afford a home. They are much better off in Austin though.
That's because of POLITICIANS and the GOVERNMENT limiting the production of houses and condos. It takes like fricking 7-years to get construction permits approved.
If Mike Judge was actually intelligent, he'd make a film about that. But it's much easier to attack a person made of straw than it is actual people.
>That's because of POLITICIANS and the GOVERNMENT
For whose benefit I wonder?
The benefit of themselves and their donors, obviously. Which is why the government shouldn't be involved in the first place.
Is this so difficult for people like you to understand?
kys silicon valley is cancer
Cool, don't like there and stop using all of their devices, products, and apps.
It's not enough. Everyone needs to stop using them, i want it destroyed
You’re not wrong but Silicon drones are all soulless. You’d know if you’d met as many as I have.
>POLITICIANS and the GOVERNMENT limiting the production of houses and condos.
>If Mike Judge was actually intelligent, he'd make a film about that.
Sounds like some horrible Adam McKay shit. No one wants to go to a theater to have actual economic issues explained to them. Books, newspapers, documentaries and college courses are a better medium for that sort of thing.
Salary is irrelevant. The point of the movie is that office work is miserable.
And most office workers are not making hundreds of thousands.
>Office work may suck, but it allows you to enjoy everything else in life because of the salary.
>That's why for years California saw a HUGE in-flux of residents, all moving to the Bay Area to try and get a piece of the action
>Now, they're all scattering because of the Democrats.
Either way, this film had basically no impact on society except for fringe losers who "dropped out" of the rat race. Everyone else saw the huge salaries and decided to go for it.
>Either way, this film had basically no impact on society except for fringe losers who "dropped out" of the rat race. Everyone else saw the huge salaries and decided to go for it.
ppfft, this movie didn't even eliminate greed from the souls of men. hardly a notable picture
>Acting like there aren't films that actually have cultural impacts
They get paid that NOW. Not in 1999. Also you're thinking of a software developer or engineer, two things that the protagonist weren't. His friends were and because of that, they returned to the job at the end of the movie
What if I told you insane was working fifty hours a week in some office for fifty years at the end of which they tell you to piss off ending up in some retirement village hoping to die before suffering the indignity of trying to make it to the toilet on time? Wouldn't you consider that to be insane?
he's got the whoooole world, in his hands hes got the whole wide world, in his hands he's got the whooole world, in his hands, hes got the whole world in his hands
>STFU YOU FREAK, WE'RE GONNA DIE!!!
*gasp*
This movie is terrible, not funny and boring. Why is it so revered?
Switching to manual labor is moronic, but the movie is accurately lampooning the drudgery of an office drone.
Most of the movie is wish fulfillment for office wagies.
do americans really work in cubicles like that
Used to at least. Since becoming a neet, I know nothing of the real world.
Human society wise, there's honestly nothing out here to see. Nature is still worth it though don't forget to go outside on a walk sometimes
I hear you. That's about all I do anymore.
No they are all open offices in tech companies now
thats even worse
It really is. I get distracted easily and need complete quiet to get shit done. I could never do open office.
The last place I interviewed for pointed out the exact cubicle that I would be shoved in if I got the job. It was probably the most depressing workspace I've ever seen.
Thankfully I did not get the job.
I work at a federal agency and my current set up is I'm crammed into a cubicle farm in a windowless concrete box. It's super depressing. Luckily I'm only in the box for like an hour a day.
Nah, WeWork tried changing the game by making offices like Frat houses.
Sadly they were too late, had they done it in the 80's the could've been Amazon big.
Nowadays everyone prefers working from home.
I wish I had a cubicle
Frick open plan
Why do people get so mad when I tell them I don't work? I have my ways to get money, but I just.. Don't work! People get so fricking angry at me when they see I'm not depressed about it and actually enjoy it. It's weird
If you get money from the government, then I hate you because you're a NEET/Black person. Only NEETs/Black folk are on welfare and live at the expense of actual taxpayers.
not him but maybe if we lived in a society were the government actually served the people and we werent in wiemar 2.0 maybe people wouldn't mind working and contributing to society
Voluntary charity used to be a thing that churches and private non-profits did. But then the government didn't like that, so they shut them all down.
We do NOT need a government welfare state, because that creates Welfare politicians and bureaucrats. We were MUCH better off when we had voluntary charity.
>Only NEETs/Black folk are on welfare and live at the expense of actual taxpayers.
your hatred only makes the unearned ambrosia sweeter
NEETs/Black folk may say this, but deep down they're sick and tired of being the poor, slovenly, dregs of society.
There's nothing slovenly about me. Poor, depends. I have what I need and can afford to live alone. It's more like early retirement. I'm not in some basement growing fat and never washing. I don't drink or smoke or have other vices. I'm not spending my waking hours wishing to be with roasties. I'm just chilling.
Sitting in a 1/1 apartment with juuuust enough money for the basics sounds infinitely more soulless and unfulfilling than working a job and being able to afford a social life, dating/relationships, vacations, and hobbies. But what do I know.
this is the biggest cope I've seen on this site kek
I am being dead serious, if my entire life was confined to some basic apartment and all I could afford to do was lurk the internet, watch TV, play video games, and maybe afford a gym membership. I would kill myself. That sounds like an unbelievably depressing life.
>noo i cant just sit back and enjoy Gods creations thats not enough for me nooo
You're not enjoying God's creations living a boring, mundane life alone in an apartment anon.
>nooo you cant enjoy THAT thing you must enjoy THIS thing nooo
You know that isn't jail right? You can still leave the house and live normally.
You can't raise a family, date, or have a (real life) social circle.
I am well aware a NEET can leave the house. But it is a life of limitations. Can you leave the house? Sure. Can't do a whole lot actually interesting though and your life will never progress past what it currently is
Which for most folks is basically prison.
A NEET can spend his time improving himself, learning, getting fit, hanging out with people, etc. What's more interesting that he's missing out on? I guess it's a lot harder to start a family if you're a NEET, unless you're a rich one.
Can't date or build a family. Will never own a home. Can't afford a car or gas money to go anywhere or do anything half interesting. Won't be accepted into a social circle of decent, successful people who are progressing in life.
A NEET's life: play video games, watch TV, social life is either through video games or the internet, "improvement" is watching YouTube videos or learning a second language they'll never use, going to the gym is still feasible but will never be put to good use, no dating prospects.
Oh and that life will never really change since you aren't progressing or growing in any aspect. Sounds fun at 20, less fun at 30, positively miserable at 50. Enjoy!
>Will never own a home
Weird how people keep bringing this up as if it was only applicable to NEETs in this day and age
If you can't afford a home then move somewhere where paying on a mortgage is less than rent.
Yes I'll pack in my finance job and move to the country and I'm sure they'll pay me the same bonuses for milking cows.
Moving doesn't solve anything if you work for a living.
In 100 years no one will even know you or the NEET existed. Get off your high horse. We're all dust in the wind. Let people live their short time how they want.
Nihilism is gay and juvenile anon. I'm embarrassed for you that you actually typed that out and hit post.
Get back to me in 100 years and let me know how you feel then.
In 100 years my grandchildren will still be telling my great-grandchildren and great-great-grandchildren stories about me while the NEET and his ultimately inconsequential life will be utterly forgotten. So there's that.
How often do people even talk about great great grandparents anymore? You're kidding yourself. I barely even see people visit cemeteries to pay their respects to recent family. It's mostly Catholic/Latino families who do this, but hardly anyone else.
I know my great-grandfather's name, where he was born, and several stories about him that were handed down to me from my dad and grandpa. I'll tell my kids those stories. You are coping right now.
I'm sure your banal lame stories will be a real hit with those great great grandkids.
>and then my great grandpa called him a zoomer, and he rolled dubs so he won the argument on the spot!
>I'll tell my kids those stories.
are you going to keep them chained in your basement? because otherwise stories about grandpa are not going to win out in a competition with shit they've seen on tiktok and they will get pushed out of their memory instantly.
That's good if you do. I know my great grandfather's name and funny stories too. But it isn't common and you know this.
I know stories about my great-grandparents, and my family has documented it all so I can look into it when I want. I recently found out my great-grandfather was a talented wrestler, and saw photos of him. Thought he was badass and it inspired me to get into better shape. I hope I can also impress my great-grandkids like that someday when they look back at me.
My great granddad was a Danish sailor who went AWOL when he ported New Orleans. He looked like Dicaprio in Titanic or something (this was around the same time period).
Sorry anon you are going to need to work a job in order to find a wife and build the family that will make that dream a reality. And that's not "based". Now go sit in a government subsidized apartment and learn Norwegian off duolingo in between Company of Heroes games. THAT'S a productive, fulfilling, Cinemaphile-approved life right there.
I know my great grandfather was shot and deserted in WW1. Something you would probably deem to be interesting. I have only been told about him twice. I'm sorry anon, but you are the exception
kids barely know their own parents at this point, lol. probably spend more time hearing the voice of their favorite streamer than their mother.
I don't even know shit about my grandparents let alone my great-grandparents. You're just delusional.
you work in an office there is nothing memorable about your life. Your descendants far into the future will never be told about that one time you had sex in college. You really are making stuff up now
And you sit around all day in your bed room shit posting whilst your parents wonder where they went wrong.
so? Just because my life is miserable doesn't mean yours isn't
no they won't you delusional homosexual
What's stopping a NEET from learning a skill? They could pick up something like a martial art or an instrument and dedicate their huge amount of free time towards mastering it.
>A NEET's life: play video games, watch TV, social life is either through video games or the internet, "improvement" is watching YouTube videos or learning a second language they'll never use
Your imagination is too limited. A NEET can do almost anything. They could create games for example instead of playing them, they could write, etc.
Never owning a home, yeah that sucks. But can't afford a car or gas money I'm not sure about. I think a lot of NEET have cars and drive.
A NEET would need to have a car to drive to martial arts practice and afford the monthly fee. Or the money to buy the instrument.
But really the larger issue is the lack of progress in life. No family, no building a community around themselves, no real change or growth whatsoever. Very soulless existence!
I'd say a NEET has a better chance of building an honest community around themselves, and growing personally without wasting most of their hours at a BS job. You're assuming a NEET has to be totally dirt poor that they can't afford a couple monthly fees or a car. In my experience that's not the case. NEETs aren't all completely destitute, they have enough money for some minor expenses.
I tend to disagree since a NEET will never start a family and contributes nothing to his community.
Let's put it this way who do you think will have more people at their funeral: a father of 3 who retired from a 30 year career or a guy who lived off the government in an apartment until he keeled over? If you genuinely think its the latter you are flat out delusional.
Eh, good point. A family is going to be a better community than anything. But if you're working without starting a family, you're less likely to have people to support you beyond co-workers who usually don't actually care about you. So I guess the lesson is to start a family.
Nta, but, yes, the point of our time on this Earth is to start a family and have a legacy.
Sadly, pretty much the only way to do that is to have a decent career so you can meet a great partner so the both of you can afford the best life imaginable for your kids.
If you're waging away and don't have a family, at least you'll be able to retire earlier and essentially live as a NEET from 50 onwards, only this time you'll have the added benefit of a pension so you can afford vacations and other shit.
my next door neighbors have about 8 kids and are on welfare, they get a nice check per head.
kek at you over-thinking homosexuals having to have everything "perfect" you are outbred by morons.
>great partner
Newsflash. They took that away. A kid can't even grow up even like the 80s anymore (let alone the 50s).. Where he meets his highschool sweetheart, they go to prom, they lose their virginity together, etc. He graduates and has easier prospects where they can build a life together. All that shit. Now you're dealing with roasties at 13 years old, who sucked off every guy at the house party last weekend. I said we are in hell and I meant it. There's nothing worth striving for. The things that motivate a man to work his ass off and dream. Unless you're a sucker yourself.
Gay low T defeatist. Weeding you out of the gene pool is a good thing.
lol chuds dying cause women will have sex with anyone but them
kys
Dipshit. I already talked my own dating life. I'm talking about society and especially zoomers, whom I said I pity more than me.
Something has clearly changed, even if anon has a rose-tinted idea of the past
Why point to the iPhone and not the global economic disaster that occurred in 2008?
There's been plenty of economic disasters in the past. Ultimately the growth of the internet and its role in society is a more profound change.
No it isn't dude. Plenty of roasties are addicted to their phones and have no problem having sex.
The economy can be directly correlated with birth rates, it's why the birth rate plummeted with the great depression, and why it steadily climbed up from baby boomers until millenials grew up.
>Plenty of roasties are addicted to their phones and have no problem having sex.
We're talking about men.
>The economy can be directly correlated with birth rates, it's why the birth rate plummeted with the great depression, and why it steadily climbed up from baby boomers until millenials grew up.
Not denying that 2008 had a big impact, but smartphones have changed human interaction in a much larger and more permanent way.
birth control means anyone can have sex without worrying about the financial risks of kids. smart phones gave all women easy access to chads and all chads easy access to all women.
Dude, wtf are you talking about?
Yes, if a woman wants to avoid having babies, she'll take birth control and have sex, if she now wants to start a family, she can then stop taking it and have her eggs fertilised.
The stories you hear about birth control having permanent side effects on a women's ability to have kids are rare and only happen some of the time.
I'm not saying birth control doesn't have any side effects at all, but the more serious ones only occur with serious over-use.
I have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe reread the comment thread.
He's just saying people can have sex without wanting kids thanks to birth control
Yeah and what does that have to do with declining birth rates?
So there are less unwanted pregnancies now? That's a marginal difference, the reason less people are having kids is because no one can afford it
We're talking about virginity there rather than birth rates
reread the comment thread. it's about male virginity. with birth control you don't need to worry about the financial impact of having kids yet there are more male virgins than ever
Oh my god genuinely who gives a frick about "male virginity" you stupid fricking incels. Go outside.
We were talking about the economy and why it's going to shit, you are talking about literally irrelevant bullshit.
We're talking about human relationships and culture, that's not irrelevant bullshit. And if you don't think there's an correlation between birth rates and male virginity you're delusional.
No there isn't dude.
Just look at India for example, there are over a billion people over there and I am telling you, from first hand experience, it isn't too uncommon to find hundreds of pajeets in their mid twenties who haven't even kissed a woman, yet their birth rate is still going up.
Stop reading incel forums, man. It's not good for your health.
India has arranged marriages and a very different culture in general
>Stop reading incel forums, man. It's not good for your health.
The only "incel" forum I read is Cinemaphile
Fewer young people are having sex, and fewer young people are in relationships in general. How is that not at all related to the birth rate?
Because people can still get married later in life? That's what happens in India.
Just because you didn't lose your virginity at fricking 14 or 16, and that was never normal in the rest of the planet anyway, doesn't mean the world is ending.
People who get married later in life have fewer kids generally. It's harder to have kids the older you get.
>India
Again, India isn't America or other countries. There's a lot of differences beyond marriage age.
No it isn't other countries. But there birth rate is still going up whilst most of the western world is declining.
All in all, we would have to stop listening to modern day feminists ever again, and just bring back arranged marriage. Tell young virile men to marry young virile women, and give them financial compensation for each kid they have.
If the government wasn't so monumentally stupid they would understand that the money they are giving would be an actual fricking investment and they would see the rewards in less than twenty years.
It seems that telling women to join the work force didn't actually benefit fricking anyone.
Men makes much less money, and women have to cope with "muh career is fulfilling".
What rewards? You realize its absolutely in government and corporate interests to get rid of all the Americans and replace them with third worlders right? They'd make a fricking fortune
Until after about a hundred years, those third worlders start having kids of their own, and those kids stop having kids themselves since they start taking the nice jobs and realising they're not making any fricking money so they can't afford kids since all the money is going into the pockets of billionaires (who are probably israelites in your world view)
So the cycle starts again, and the third worlders that replaced us now have no one to replace them and society as we know it collapses. Leaving China, India and Brazil to inherit the planet as the next global economies.
So yeah, the government is still monumentally moronic and I'm still right.
>Until after about a hundred years
So completely irrelevant to the people making all important decisions?
this is virginity, not birth rates. do you think men under 30 are refusing to have even protected sex because they're just that afraid of the financial responsibilities of raising a child? that's bizarre.
No?
My point is that there are still plenty of young boys having sex, it's just that because of plummeting economies, most of them might be forced into work at an earlier age.
Since it's always been the working class having the most kids, everytime the economy goes to shit, they're forced to work more to make ends meet, which leaves them with less time to have kids and start families.
Among the higher classes, the birth rate has essentially stayed the same.
>Since it's always been the working class having the most kids, everytime the economy goes to shit, they're forced to work more to make ends meet, which leaves them with less time to have kids and start families.
again, we are talking about VIRGINITY. you keep talking about having kids when the issue is the lack of any sexual activity at all. that's not explained economically.
>anon doesn't know where babies come from
>anon hasn't heard of birth control
Who gives a shit about "muh sexual activity'? That's not what matters at all. Genuinely who gives a frick outside of incel forums?
Most married couples probably have the same amount of sex some single guy does anyway.
What matters is that there aren't people having kids, buying houses, or just living the good life in general.
>Who gives a shit about "muh sexual activity'?
everyone throughout all history
No. They cared about having babies and spreading their seed.
What you're talking about is having protected sex which won't even result in a gamete exchange that will produce life.
Get your head on straight.
They cared about boning too, come on
Yes, boning with the end goal of spreading their seed.
It's what Genghis Khan and all other conquerors throughout history ever cared about.
If you tried to give Genghis a condom, and told him he could still have as much sex as he wanted, he would immediately take it off and probably torture you to death too for disrespecting him.
Maybe you want to say that's the biological drive behind it, but for many people it's always been "ooga booga dick in hole feel good"
Whilst I don't disagree.
I'm fairly sure if you told Genghis Khan, or most people 500 hundred years ago, that there was a way to have sex without any babies with a 99% certainty, that wasn't just pulling out and hoping for the best. They would be completely and utterly flabbergasted.
>If you tried to give Genghis a condom, and told him he could still have as much sex as he wanted, he would immediately take it off and probably torture you to death too for disrespecting him.
Genghis probably wouldn't care because it was just a given that he would frick any woman he desired and care nothing for the offspring, and nobody could or would stop him
Now do the same with anybody in all history tied to some form of monogamy, and give them birth control (functionally a free pass on adultery) and see how quickly they snap that up
the great depression saw plummeting marriage and birth rates too, the difference is the great depression ended eventually, while the current economy keeps spiraling downwards for everyone who isn't a billionaire
Yeah you're right, but the economy doesn't explain everything.
>marriage rate
Among who? What age? Is this incorporating long term marriages or divorce rates? This graph is moronic and makes me think it’s intentionally bleak for use as propaganda
https://www.bgsu.edu/ncfmr/resources/data/family-profiles/schweizer-marriage-century-change-1900-2018-fp-20-21.html
Source
Then again, it does match up with this chart.
Damn this image pisses me off. Minimum wage should 100% be 20 dollars an hour, but even then they would still struggle to afford basic living amenities.
I hate wealth inequality and billionaires so much it's unreal.
This is a very funny picture because Americans old enough to remember inflation that followed artificial minimum wage increases, among other failed policies, don't like it. By the way, incomes of the lowest bracket of US households have grown -- despite households having fewer people now, I hate leftist morons who spread misinfo about "productivity and wages" as if they should track 1 to 1.
>Wages and productivity should match up 1 to 1
But why can't they? They used to in the past, why can't they now? Don't act like there isn't enough money.
His point will probably be "because (You) did not invest in the equipment that raised productivity, so you don't get to reap the benefits", which makes sense I guess but at the same point does not explain why the income doesn't get reinvested in the company rather than in their offshore Panama accounts.
Yeah I know, and that's what I was asking.
It seems to me that the reason workers aren't seeing the fruits of their labour is because it's going upwards into the pockets of billionaires rather than anyone else.
>artificial minimum wage increases, among other failed policies
Didn't fail in the entire rest of the world, seems like its only the US that has this problem
They didn't? Show me a nation with a higher median income than the US in real dollars, go on. Other countries are so much more successful at minimum wages!.. But the US workers still end up earning more and the US economy is doing much better, huh.
If Amazon gets you a new wagie cage, it's not your personal achievement that your productivity grows. productivity output of a worker is just one of the factors, and not the main one, that determines their wage.
How does that not match up with the economy?
There's never been a point in US history where young people were so deprived of money, housing and power
>How does that not match up with the economy?
You're misinterpreting me, I'm saying "then again, this shows that it does match up with economy, so maybe I'm mistaken.'
>There's never been a point in US history where young people were so deprived of money, housing and power
Agreed, things are bad.
Because things are worse now then they've ever been.
Call it the Super mega depression, except now, instead of everyone being destitute and poor, because the government stopped regulating the amount of wealth billionaires could take from the economy, more and more wealth floods upwards whilst things get progressively worse for everyone else. So that's like a -1000 on our 'frick my shit up' scale.
Hasan is a dumb homosexual, but everyone should be stringing up billionaires like Jeff Bezos and Larry Fink up and lynching them french revolution style.
>he meets his highschool sweetheart, they go to prom, they lose their virginity together, etc. He graduates and has easier prospects where they can build a life together
This homie literally thinks teen romcom movies were the reality for everyone before 2000
Because they were. I'm a boomer myself. I lived it. Except the 90s. At worst, there were a few girls like that, but it wasn't nearly as bad.
>Boomer
>Was a teenager during the 90s
No dude, that never the reality for pretty much anyone.
Maybe in the USA it was for like 5 years, but in Europe and the rest of the planet that shit never happened.
Europe has been mindbroken since the world wars. You can't even protect your daughters from rape gangs now.
Nobody was talking about the third world, so you had no reason to bring it up. Cope
Damn you sound gay as frick anon. Sorry, I don't want to join your pity party.
This is how I know you're all fricked. You've already normalized your shitty reality to the point that someone who knows a better world is considered crazy. And your kids will be eating ze bugs in no time. Because you won't be the ones who finally draw a line in the sand.
TV isn't real life. Those were all idealized versions of eras and none of that ever existed for any real person.
NEETs tend to not start a family because people usually become NEETs because of introversion. A heavily introverted person will not have people at their funeral just because they worked at an office. Look at frank amodeo.
There are plenty of NEETs out there named Muhammad with 7 sons all also named Muhammad. Or are you only taking about white boy NEETs?
>Never owning a home, yeah that sucks.
A lot of people working their asses off can't own homes either. And the powers that be want to extend that further to everyone. The "renting is better" meme is already being spread in the mainstream, as we speak.
And all this shit about decent, successful people and good romance prospects doesn't exist. They are all demon possessed. Fricking and fighting their way through life and leaving others miserable, in one way or another. We live in hell. I'm just ahead of the curve in knowing it. /rant
>Even a board game night or something still requires a car and gas money.
>Can't afford a car or gas money to go anywhere or do anything half interesting.
i pity americans, their entire environment is purposefully designed to turn them into drones and they don't even know it's not normal. hey want to see your friend??? he's on the other side of this treadmill
>You can't raise a family, date, or have a (real life) social circle.
I don't want to in the first place. If this was a hundred years ago, yes. Now? There's nothing good about building families with the women I've met at least. The last girl I dated (before basically logging off) was a bipolar alky who had multiple abortions and needed to go rehab. She was hot, but I don't know wtf I was thinking for even tolerating as much as I did.
It's probably even worse now.
Tell me how I know you’re only looking through dating apps
That one, yeah. You got me. But that isn't the only one. I'm just going to stop though. The less I talk about it, the better. And needless to say, but I pity zoomers even more.
tell me how i know ur a cuck homosexual
>being able to afford a social life, dating/relationships, vacations
NEETs can afford to do these things, most of them just choose not to because they are autists
>and hobbies
You're moronic
I have hobbies. I used to have a bigger friend group and dated more. I ditched them around 10 years ago. I'm not going to get into all of that, but parts of it was abysmal and only led to more misery. I won't paint the rosiest picture. But if you think I'm misery in my solitude, that isn't true. Ceasing my desires has improved my outlook.
>afford a social life
it's weird that you assume having friends requires income and not making money means loneliness. i suppose your "friendships" are based around consumption (going to expensive places together etc) and if you couldn't afford the price of entry then your friends would abandon you. but people without money can just, you know, hang out.
Yeah, a social life requires time more than money
Everything costs money anon, don't be naive. Adult friendships where people live apart cost money to maintain. Even a board game night or something still requires a car and gas money.
And dating? Expensive as frick.
If you’re blowing money on a first date then you’re setting yourself up as a sucker.
>you need a SALARY
>so you can afford an APARTMENT
>a NICE ONE, not a shitty one
>so you can fit your BIG SCREEN TV
>so you can watch something from your LEATHER RECLINER COUCH
>so you can attract a WOMAN
>do you can buy a DIAMOND RING
>so you can have a BIG WEDDING
>so you can HONEYMOON TO ITALY
>so you’ll have something to look back on for the next five years of OFFICE WORK
> A D N A U S E U M
Look, I’m in the rat race with you too, I’m even doing all right. But it’s all so tiresome. It’s a baby turtle race of people with real hopes and dreams trying to make it through life to the surf of real meaning, while endless ad-data seagulls and taxman crabs and management lizards pursue them and try to monetize their every movement. You can’t and shouldn’t deny how the majority of people are compressed into a lane for the purposes of optimizing their consumption patterns.
This a very tired, overplayed critique "consumerism" that reads like it's straight out of the late 90's. Or earlier. Yeah man, life requires work in order to progress. Most people want nice things and nice relationships and that makes the work worth it. Find something in life worth working for and drop the edgy above-it-all Fight Club mentality.
>This a very tired, overplayed critique "consumerism" that reads like it's straight out of the late 90's. Or earlier
and, as we know, observations expire over time. your tv is newer than criticisms of consumer culture, so those criticisms no longer apply. truth is the same thing as novelty.
I have bad news, this is the same flow regardless of your lower, middle, or higher class in life.
Go live in the woods. You still have to do all this shit in a different format.
>you need a FOREST
>so you can maintain a CABIN
What if I work a job and still have no money for any of that? How do I break into the neet life after I've been "gainfully" employed for fifteen years? At least then I'd have health insurance.
You could post a pic of your room to show us all how great it is, but you won't. #neckbeardnests
Nothing remarkable, dude. I even have a comfy blanket. Nastiest thing there is an unmade bed and an open coke can (which I'm drinking).
im in the same boat. though i drink sometimes.
Man, before broadband became ubiquitous I'd agree with you, but now you have the all singing all dancing crap of the world at your fingertips. You can keep yourself entertained and educated forever. Maybe even productive, eventually. Or not. The point is they have the free time and you don't.
Problem with this line of thinking is that at some point, likely 35-40, you will realize your looks have faded, your energy is less, you don'r have kids and you don't have a life partner. And you will weep because it will be almost impossible to get the last two (and impossible to get the first two back). NEETdom is attractive to idiots because it's the max extent of the concept of "short term gain over long term success". Yes being a neet in the short term is great. Once you reach a certain stage of life however you realize you made a deal with the devil and cannot go back and re-invest in yourself or a family.
>And you will weep because it will be almost impossible to get the last two (and impossible to get the first two back).
i have a career and this is me anyway. i just wish never was born at this point
Its more reasonable now. You have to remember boomers see him throwing away a nice big house quickly paid off, nice cars, security, a lavish early retirement etc.
Times have changed although really it had ceased being true about ten years before that film was made.
I know people who talk like that. They get to see their children at a public facility where its supervised and half of everything they earn (and will ever earn) goes to the ex-wife and her husband to spend.
>35-40, you will realize your looks have faded, your energy is less, you don'r have kids and you don't have a life partner
Pretty common even with people good careers.
i assure you, the Black person getting drunk on your tax money is experiencing no inner turmoil over it and couldn't even imagine what inner turmoil felt like if he tried. he's as happy as a pig in shit. if this fantasy of his secret sadness was helping you through your days of wagecucking misery then you're going to need a new one.
Neets dont commit crimes unlike Black folk. You should be happy your money go to some guy living on the bare minimum instead of Black folk who commit crimes, mispend their money and actually breed.
t. Has never met a service member in a meaningless MOS
you just proved his point kek
Explain how
no frick off im watching something
so what is inherently wrong with living at the expense of taxpayers?
Everything.
Working in what your passionate in is a gamble unless you're some numbers autist.
the alternatives are - stealing lol!
>Americans in a high pitch choir: WHAAAT!?
I giggled
>tfw neet
:3
>Slavery is when you have to work or else you can't feed yourself
What world do these people live in? Do they seriously think this dynamic is unique to capitalism?
the biggest trick the israelite pulled is to convince people that they need fulfilment from their work, when in reality the fulfilment comes from the big family they should have.
That’s right, goyim, have six children so you’ll never be in a position of financial autonomy to quit your job or stop paying into multiple 529s. Do not pay attention to the overall economic trends about housing, debt, and inflation beyond grumbling that gas is expensive. Do Not Ask Questions, Just Produce And Consume
big family = independence = free from the israeli tricks. but you are too dumb to see it. enjoy your soulcrusihing, lonely slaving
How does having a large family give you independence? You can never take a vacation cause you're always looking after some brat. You have to work till you're 90 to pay off the debt of raising the little leaches. You can't even have a moment to yourself without one of the little bastards yelling and screaming. Everytime I hear a kid scream in public I just want to punt the little shit.
ah ok, rabbi
>big family
>yes goy keep producing consumers.
I'm basically living this story in reverse
>30y/o phenomenally stupid but physically capable art major working construction and janitorial jobs
>not what i went to school for but it pays well and is kinda satisfying
>covid. lose both jobs, have to move to another state because california is an expensive dumpster fire (don't worry i didn't move to yours.)
>resume is pretty shit because dumb, have hard time finding replacement work that isn't minimum wage
>settle for a $14 desk job where i sit around answering phones all day. but its at home so i dont have to worry about gas at least. and some days are boring enough that i can paint warhammer figures while i work or do a commission if i can get one.
>feel like my life has gotten consistently worse since i moved out of my parents house.
If I extrapolate the decline of my living standards I can deduce that I will be homeless by next year which is cool.
You never should have moved out.
The reason this somehow became so prevalent in American culture was because our parents, boomers, lived through one of the most prosperous times in human history for any country, so they could afford their own house at 25 working minimum wage.
Third world countries like India realised this for years and never forced their kids to move out. Heck, most countries don't have this obsession with kicking their kids out of the house as soon as the clock hits 18.
It's literally just an american thing.
thing in some of western europe too. Usually because of college
>being a drone is actually... LE GOOD AND COOL!
Won't work for anyone but me simple as
>nah I don't think I'll contribute to society and pay taxes
Normies:
>Escapes being a wagie by being a wagie
What did they mean by this?
>i have finally escaped my office job
>now i can destroy my body doing manual labor and be surrounded by morons and immigrants that constantly show up to work drunk or high
tbh I worked as a painter for a while as a teenager and it was more fulfilling than the retail stuff I've done during college so far. Doing work that has a noticeable long term impact on people's lives, along with just being outside, is good for the mind. Compare that with ringing up their junk food and toilet paper for hours on end.
i can get that, working retail fricking sucks and i don't think painting ruins your body as much as let's say working construction
Are there actual NEETs in this thread or is it just depressed wagies arguing against israeli ones?
What age have you decided on, boys?
the age of GIANTS
I'm lighting the flame
I live in subsidized housing and get $1200/month from the govy to sit in my apartment and shitpost for eternity, and I wouldn’t trade it for the world. The average normie can’t even comprehend the way I live my life, they would kill themselves or go insane if placed in my sanctuary.
canadian disability?
>no you NEED to pay taxes, who else is gonna fund the military industrial complex???
If it hasn’t gotten better nearing 30, it probably never will.
>WAHHHH I DON'T WANT A CUSHY DESK JOB WHERE I LITERALLY ONLY WORJ ABOUT 15 MINUTES IN A WHOLE WEEK (he admitted this himself)
>OH I KNOW, I'LL DO BACK BREAKING CONSTRUCTION WORK AGAIN, HAVE CHRONIC PAINS WHEN I'M AN OLD MAN, AND HAVE A MUCH REDUCED PENSION AND SALARY
He was fricking stupid anon. His own girlfriend told him he was acting like a baby.
I have worked in construction and the goal of every tradesman with half a brin is to work their way into the office side of the industry.
The ones who are stuck in the field need massive amounts of drugs, caffeine, and nicotine to deal with all the pain and fatigue.
>with all the pain and fatigue.
That's another thing worth mentioning. Shitloads of people who are opoid addicts now started because of work injuries. Not all, but still.
I mean most of that is because doctors were being bribed/misled to overprescribe opioids so that the Sackler family could afford another yacht.
Well the bright side about work injuries is that as soon as you feel the slightest pain in your back you can go to the doctor's and apply for disability checks for the rest of your life.
I'm from the north of England and everyone I know who ever worked in construction retired after about 5 years to live off the government and pump out babies.
They pretty much all told me that the only reason there are so many immigrants in construction nowadays is because they don't have the right to live off the government because they're not citizens.
>I'm from the north of England and everyone I know who ever worked in construction retired after about 5 years to live off the government and pump out babies.
>They pretty much all told me that the only reason there are so many immigrants in construction nowadays is because they don't have the right to live off the government because they're not citizens.
Why are saxons and celts such Black folk?
Every single "white" English I've ever met was either a 1%er or living on the dole, no inbetween, English people do not work until they're forced to.
It's crazy.
Not working until you're forced to is the default behavior of literally every living being on Earth
It's only American propaganda that pushes the idea of wageslavery as a form of fulfilment
Sure but for example I could get £1200/month of universal credit, but I'd rather do my job and make £2900 even if it means working my ass off for 40 hours a week because I like to make a bit more money than the minimum necessary to live.
Again, there's a middle point between "slavery" and "being a couch potato on minimum wage equivalent in a shitty council house"
I know, that's the point I was making. I worked construction straight out of High school because I fell for the body builder meme, and it was fricking miserable.
Everyone there was either an ex-con with tats on their face, immigrants who escaped some shithole, or old ass men who had no other options and lived on a diet of alcohol and coffee.
There was legitimately no one there my age, and the Project manager realised I was probably too smart to be there and I was one of the only people he actually enjoyed talking to.
Office work isn't paradise, but it's miles better than busting your ass for 8 hours a day, working shifts in the morning and night without any care for your sleeping cycle, around people who can hardly hold a conversation with you until you're in your seventies.
I enjoy having hobbies like going to the gym, reading and watching films, and if you work in manual labour you can say goodbye to all of that.
>high paying job with a/c
>nooooooooo, I'm going insane
why are white people like this?
yeah ok enjoy the welfare they make for you blackie
what are the alternatives to wage slaving? I wanna try something else but every job sounds either boring, extremely hard/autistic or very low profit/luck dependent
have rich parents
Commit crimes
start a business that becomes profitable enough to have your wagies do everything. you'll have to work hard at first but then step back as you make enough money. maybe a coffee shop in the right location? zoomies and millenials are addicted to espresso
Get a cushy job for the government that only requires you to work for say 10 hours a week and gives you a world class pension.
He went to work construction and was likely making comparable wages doing morr physical work. Most people think blue collar jobs suck and make little money because their public school appointed college salesmen lied to them to sell student loans.
Yeah dude, that's the problem, he makes the same money working harder and longer hours with the added benefit of now putting his body on the line.
There's a reason College salesmen want you working white collar jobs, they're speaking from experience. Stop thinking you have it all figured out and that you're smarter than everyone else.
He's an idiot, that's the point of the film.
The only people who idolize blue collar work are gullible morons who read a Mike Rowe spiel about "the decline of the trades" and actually buy into it. Mike Rowe is a theater major who never worked a day in his life BTW.
Here is the reality of blue collar work: get into work at 6AM and do tiring labor all day in the sweltering heat or bitter cold. You soon realize that your tasks are just as repetitive and menial as office computer work. Your joints are slowly being ground away and your hearing is going the same way. Your coworkers are criminals and/or idiots. Your only hope of escape is that in 5 years you'll be made a foreman, at which point the labor stops but you're still working out in the heat and cold, and then in another 5 years if you're lucky and a position opens up they stick you in the office as a PM so you can do paperwork and make phone calls.
So basically 10 years of pain and discomfort to earn the right to do what you could have done from the start if you'd went to college and got one of those dreaded office jobs.
People who idolize field work baffle me.
>So basically 10 years of pain and discomfort
As opposed to wanting to put a gun in my mouth every day that I had an office job?
You're not wrong. But you forgot the mandatory time spent away from home that you'll be spending 90% of the time
Construction is shit but facility seems cool, you just get to walk around with a screwdriver and ladder all day.
>I'm fed up with being a wage slave. That's why I'll become a different kind of wage slave
Judge almost made a fantastic point about seeking personal satisfaction over drudgery but fumbled it at the end by cutting out the ending where his foreman is basically identical to Lumberg which showed that Peter had basically accomplished frick all, and instead letting people walk away thinking the movie was specifically about how an office job is bad
So in the end it all revolves around starting a family or not, that is being remembered or not. It seems this and the neet's wish to not contribute to society are equally selfish.
This. We are literally just slightly more intelligent great apes who fooled ourselves into thinking we own this planet.
5000 years ago our ancestors only worries were having kids and hunting good food. Modern civilization is a scam and the agricultural revolution never should have happened.
Truth
Is someone who got rich off of cryptocurrency or something and then retired still a NEET? I guess you could say they're a "investor/trader" even if they don't trade anymore. Either way, that's a very different type of NEET.
I cannot envision a future where I have to work 8 hours a day and I feel remotely happy.
I changed fields and got into programming two years ago and this shit is soul draining.
Programming as a job kinda sucks unless you care about the work. At least for me. Now that I quit I have fun programming my own stuff again.
Yeah, I feel the same, but I'm so burned out that I don't do any programming on my free time.
i work in an office for 13/hr but everybody from the president to the newest higher is a chick, except me.
luckily we're all on the phones constantly so there's no real chit-chat, and lunches are staggered so nobody goes on one at the same time so I don't have to waste time away from Cinemaphile trying to talk to all these ladies 10+ years older than me. also they always bring in candy or stuff to share
has anyone switched from blue collar to white collar work?
t. blue collar worker looking to switch to a tech career
This thinly veiled off topic thread has been made dozens of times. Don't you get board of reading and repeating the same talking points?
*bored
Lots of NEET cope in this thread. Feels good to actually be making money.
>still on Cinemaphile all day
I don't work on Sundays bro.
>Master's degree
>Only 6 dollars more than minimum wage
Holy frick. If anything that makes me want to side with the NEETS.
Frick this gay Earth.
Who are you quoting?
How can you get one of these jobs in the current political climate, pol? Don’t they all go to H1Bs, woymn, and other turdskins
It's not easy. What you have to do is basically try and get any job you can, and then apply internally when you see job postings. Then, once you have enough experience, it makes it easier to leave the first company and get something else going.
>its actually comfy to have a well paying office job where you dont have to stress, i dont feel a need to "find myself" or backpack across some shithole in order to pretend to find a purpose
>euros: SACRE BLEAU U WOT +whatever the arabic expression for confusion is
Didn't this movie end with him wage slaving in an even more difficult job?
>Be me
>Work field sales
>On the road every other week on the company's dime
>Most days I am just talking to people
>Inside sales team writes quotes and performs follow-ups
>Company car, paid cell service, paid home internet
>Work from home when not on the road, attending online meetings and filing expense reports
Why have you not taken the salespill yet, anon?
I work as an aerospace engineer and i genuinely enjoy my job. I also enjoy the fact that my work directly leads to killing of sandBlack folk, mudmonkeys, and domestic right wing terrorists.
omgg yaass slaay get those nazis!!!
americ*ns are truly irredeemable
>Decide to watch some comfy movie I haven't seen before
>Choice falls on office space
>Open 4 chan in-between
>See this
What the frick
>movie that gets frequently baitposted on boards.Cinemaphile.orgCinemaphile was posted on boards.Cinemaphile.org/tv/
woah no way
It's still a pretty weird coincidence, just like my doubles on that post
People really like to use this movie as a means of talking about how much they hate their job