Why is being sworn in with a bible? The show made a pretty big deal about how Earth was so incredibly religiously diverse while all the other planets just have one religion each. There was an episode about it in S1.
Hey man them dang ol' centauri went on up and hit those narns with them mass drivers, man like BOOM, left that home world like a dang ol' charcoal briquette man
going through this for the first time... currently in the 'harvey' era and loving the creativity with him. he's even more complex than scorpius somehow
The Minbari are truly moronic. I would understand if this was their first contact but they've been contacting aliens for hundreds of years. Nobody in the universe thinks pointing guns is a sign of welcome. Especially not from a warship. Its so, so stupid.
>they've been contacting aliens for hundreds of years
That includes Shadows, Drahk, Those little frickers with the cellophane restraints, and the Dilgar. Weapons hot but not locked on IS being friendly.
homieri spotted. I bet you scream "dindu nuffin he waz a good boy" when a mindari dies to a nightwatch agent while "being friendly" with a gun in his hands
It needed to be done on an accidental cultural misunderstanding that was innocent on both sides but started a catastrophic war neither side initially wanted but couldn't stop. What would you suggest that would have been better?
Dunno, I am not a writer. But "showing weapons as a friendly gesture" is just silly. Even animals show their teeth as an aggression
Or just make the war a result of some rookie pilot getting overexcited and shooting. Perhaps he confuses one of the satellite dishes on a minbari ship as a laser weapon pointing at him.
It wasn't 'friendly' so much as it was a sign of respect. Like, 'we are warriors, we acknowledge you are also warriors and worthy of respect too'.
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There's nothing more idiotic than warriors rattling their weapons at each other. Knights didn't show respect to strangers on the road by drawing their swords at them. They showed respect by offering them AN OPEN HAND. Where do you think handshakes come from? >but they're aliens
There's no such thing as truly alien in science fiction written for television audiences.
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Anonymous
>There's nothing more idiotic than warriors rattling their weapons at each other. Knights didn't show respect to strangers on the road by drawing their swords at them.
What if the knight merely drew their sword to strike an adder?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>What if the knight merely drew their sword to strike an adder?
If there are log tables on the field, your problems will start to multiply.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It wasn't saber rattling, in their culture it was showing respect and not being deceptive, not concealing the weapons and capabilities they have etc
Minbari Jesus however immediately knew it was a mistake with humans and tried to order it stopped but was too late, and it was made much worse by their more advance sensor tech unintentionally EMPing the human ships
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Anonymous
>iN tHeIr cUltUrE
Yes, by all means, defend that bad writing that doesn't deserve it some more. That's a smart thing to let your ego do with your time.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Are you deliberately trying to come across as a complete idiot or what.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
A lot of what the mimbari do is based on ancient japanese customs.
In bushido, it is considered polite and propper dress for the samurai to openly carry their sword(s) by their sides in public. At minimum, a long sword would be carried in such a way as to be able to be drawn instantly and thus create a kill area around the samurai. This represented his personal space which should not be violated. The reason for this is that this gave the samurai the means to always be able to defend himself while also allowing him to execute his authority over life and death when legally allowed/required. This also served as a method of idenitification, a samurai's rank could be disserned by the type of sword(s) he wore. The samurai would only give up his sword when entering the home of a higher ranking noble, and even then there was specific ceremony and ritual at play.
It's not nonsense or bad writing, its based on historical record. All the way to the Meiji restoration, japanese sword autists would get into fights with westerners over miscommunications involving their warrior autism.
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Anonymous
The sword would stay in the damn sheath unless needed. If a samurai was walking along the road and another samurai coming from the other direction pulled out his sword and pointed it at him then of course that looks like an aggressive move to anyone.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Gunports closed and weapons powered off isn't equivalent to a sheathed sword but to one packed away in your luggage instead.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>If a samurai was walking along the road and another samurai coming from the other direction pulled out his sword and pointed it at him then of course that looks like an aggressive move to anyone.
actually, they had autism about that kind of shit too. a samurai didnt threaten someone by literally pulling out their sword, but rather with various hand jestures and handplacement on the sword/hilt/ect representing different degrees of disrespect/threat. The only time they would pull a sword out on the road was to literally kill.
there was a famous incident when some east india company israelite ignored the sword autism rules and walked right through a line of samurai to try and power flex on the noble they were escorting and the samurai cut him down, no questions asked.
The writing in this series is just silly at points. The writers needed a reason for the war and probably didn't spend more than 5 minutes on this
It's not silly if you remember that whatused to be considered "polite" was to go up to your opponent unanounced and slap him lightly in the face with a glove if you wanted to 'duel'. The person getting slapped didnt freakout and stary throwing a hissy fit and open fire with a bazooka, they took their place, drew their sword and...usually died but that's anothermatter. What i'm saying is that 'customs' are strange and whats totally fine to one group of people, is alien or backwards to another.
It's kind of funny they design the star fury with the idea of spinning in place, continuing to fly in one direction when engines are off, G-forces pulling you backward so you should be in a standing position, etc, but then didn't use that same philosophy on the larger ships. Everything is built like the standard water naval vessel rather than a skyscraper with floors perpendicular to the axis of motion.
>G-forces pulling you backward so you should be in a standing position
Only during a burn. They did plenty of coasting when they were traveling not dogfighting.
God I loved this show. Someone posted the clip of the ISN when they were under attack by the president. I stoped watching the clip and immediately downloaded the series. I now think it’s one of the best shows ever made
On the internets, no one be knowings you are Zathras! Except , maybe Zathras. Zathras always being spyings on Zathras browisng history but Zathras is trained in 'Browser history management'. You are seeing now, yes?
>Vorlons want to guide people to order >hire Jack the Ripper to psychologically torture wannabe heroes >talk in riddles >befriend robots with brains and big hats >pay hobos to sing to choir music
What did they mean by this?
>What did they mean by this?
you should be happy if you understand a tenth of Vorlon reasoning. They're an alien race billions of years old. Their comprehension is far beyond yours.
Is there really any reason to watch this show if I've already seen Star Trek Deep Space Nine? This is basically just a drier, slower version of that, right?
>I honestly don't think you're a sci fi fan until you realise that star trek is literally goyslop shit.
that's why DS9 is best trek. it breaks the trek mold and has great characters, character arcs and a multi-season story.
>people say DS9 ripped off Babylon 5 >can definitely see some connections with it taking place on a space station with a looming war, but a 100% ripoff? >suddenly they reveal a shadowy organization called "bureau 13"
>secret organization runs everything from behind the scenes and gets its hands dirty to protect society
This idea is older than your father. All science fiction made for television is just cobbled-together westerns rewritten to have a spaceship.
It has non-corporeal alien aliens called Vorlons and Shadows, but with your mindset I'm sure you can find ways to compare them with real world groups too.
They basically consulted JPL back in the day to make believeable starship designs like the rotating ship sections for gravity and the starfuries. The aliens come in all shapes, from almost human Centauri, the tentacle faced roadkill eaters the Pak'mara to elder thing lovecraftian Thirdspace aliens. What do you want?
It's referenced several times that Earth wasnt and isnt as advanced as other races with gravameric drives and only moved up when they got shared tech with the centauri/Minbari. The vorlons and shadows are even moreso using living organisms as their tech.
>The aliens come in all shapes, from almost human Centauri, the tentacle faced roadkill eaters the Pak'mara to elder thing lovecraftian Thirdspace aliens
Remember the insectoid crime boss in the early episodes? I'm sure he was definitely intended to be a recurring grey character/potential antagonist until dropped
Yes. There must have been something with its animation/animatronics that just didnt pan out. Would have liked to see some more of him and maybe others of the race.
>The aliens come in all shapes, from almost human Centauri, the tentacle faced roadkill eaters the Pak'mara to elder thing lovecraftian Thirdspace aliens
Remember the insectoid crime boss in the early episodes? I'm sure he was definitely intended to be a recurring grey character/potential antagonist until dropped
to be fair many interesting elements just get a passing comment or are briefly featured
Sportsmanship. Other races didn't want to be overpowered because it would ruin the game.
also telepathy wasn't prevalent in every race. Races such as the Narn, has most of their telepaths BTFO by the shadows ages ago to the point G'kar was willing to pay Lyta money for sex to get a chance at birthing new ones.
The best part is that he hates it.
"""
"Where is my book? It is my only copy!"
"Yes, that is precisely the point. The Kha'Ri felt that if anything happened to you, the book of G'Kar would never see the light of day, so they .. liberated it."
"Liberated it?"
"We took it home. Those that read it were very moved by it and they made some copies."
"Copies?!"
"Just a few, .. for their friends. A few more, .. later few more copies."
"How many?!"
"That's hard to say, exactly. There was some confusion when it went to the printers."
"Printers?! I've only been gone for a month, Ta'Lon, there can't be that many copies floating around this quickly. How many?"
"Five or six .. hundred .. thousand."
"What?"
"I've been told that it will out-sold the book of G'Quan. .. Congratulations, citizen G'Kar. You are now a religious icon."
G'Kar and Ta'Lon, The Ragged Edge
"""
>that one episode where Garibaldi goes back to Earth to work his side job as a cab driver so he can put his son through college and takes him to McDonalds for dinner
I honestly think that final arc is deeply mediocre as well even if it's a clear step up from the early-mid season slog.
Lennier incel arc is just awful for example.
they thought the series was getting cancled at 4, so they wrote 4 to finish things up, then suprise season 5 is a-go and it was kind of a 'well... frick' moment for the writer.
JMS also suffered an incident where he'd taken his writing stuff with him on the road when he was doing some conventions, and hotel cleaners threw his S5 outline and notes in the trash and they weren't recovered. So an already compromised season got gutted and he had to try and pull shit together from memory and redo it.
ironically I think that helped s4 since so much was condensed into it and it now had decent pacing compared to earlier seasons.
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Anonymous
Oh totally, I have no problem with how s4 turned out.
JMS always said the original finale of that season if it wasn't compressed would have been "Intersections in Real Time" (the Sheridan interrogation episode) and I kind of feel like that wouldn't have been a very satisfying finale or cliffhanger.
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Anonymous
That was one of the best episodes of anything, ever though.
Why not simply rewrite it given his autistic dedication to HIS sci-fi universe? Obviously shit would be changed when rewriting from scratch but if he would still have the basic story outline already mapped out in his head.
I still don't understand why s5 was written that way and no stuff like building up to the future events we saw in War Without End. Bring the Londo/G'kar stuff full circle from a plot perspective, and it is mad that the son of Sheridan and Delenn remains, to this day, an off screen character.
A lot of that it not only because season five had to go through basically a rushed last minute write because of the surprise renewal and JMS losing all his notes, but a bunch of those things are remnants of B5's original five year plan that changed drastically just due to the nature of production, actor availability etc.
War Without End was conceived as both the series finale and setup for a sequel series that would continue the story for another five years.
B5 would have been destroyed by the Minbari (as seen in Babylon Squared) and the people escaping it's destruction in the shuttle would be Sinclair, Delenn, their infant son David and some others. They'd then travel to Babylon 4 and bring it into the *present* to serve as the new headquarters of the alliance against the Shadows. The process would rapid age Sinclair to give him the "will only live twenty more years, top" thing that Sheridan had, and it would age their son David into an adult. David would be a good hearted but occasionally awkward Ranger because he had to be rapidly educated up to his physical age, and he'd eventually rise to be the first president of the Interstellar Alliance after the Shadow War ended.
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Anonymous
Was it always Sinclair's destiny to become Valen after the Shadows, Clark government, etc. had been dealt with?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nope, was never part of the original concept. The end of his story would be him going off into self imposed exile to live out his few remaining years alone in peace
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Anonymous
My copy is in storage somewhere so these are the only two pages of it I have handy, but it shows what it was like
I think it's season 5 where it's finally mentioned that the WSF is good, but carrying the load in two back to back major conflicts has taken a toll on it from attrition
Even the other First Ones think that the Vorlons are a pain in the ass.
This. That was the walkers of Sigma957. They basically fricked off from the universe en toto and just come back to check things eery so often. The Vorlons were probably well known for being Authoritative order dickheads and they were havin none of it.
they had to condense what they were doing since they didn't know if they were going to have a S5.
S4 was originally supposed to end with Sheridan being captured by Earth Force
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Anonymous
yeah,
Oh totally, I have no problem with how s4 turned out.
JMS always said the original finale of that season if it wasn't compressed would have been "Intersections in Real Time" (the Sheridan interrogation episode) and I kind of feel like that wouldn't have been a very satisfying finale or cliffhanger.
said that, and I whole wholeheartedly disagree that it would've been a weak finale. The one and only reason that episode was weak was because of how quickly sheridan gets rescued from the forever interrogations. A seasonal break after that episode would've been beyond perfect.
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Anonymous
I think if the production knew they were getting a s5, S4 and S5 would've been the best sci-fi tv series content ever.
I mean S3 was amazing and the show kept getting better, there's nothing to suggest if the show didn't run into production problems that the execution of S4/S5 wouldn't have been just as good, if not better.
It's true purpose was to establish the fact that the multiverse exists in the Babylon 5 universe and that's why the upcoming reboot is allowed to exist
Kind of a mess. I'm not liking the multiverse thing or who will be chosen to be in different roles. The art in that was decent to cringeworthy at times also. I don't want to see anything that diminishes the original show or its cast going forward. I think there are other avenues that could be explored to expand on, like maybe have a series on the Dilgar war.
>I'm not liking the multiverse thing or who will be chosen to be in different roles.
Everyone is terrified to create a new character or setting rather than recycle old ones.
Yeah but that's just it, He is basically just gona RETELL the same story with certain parts removed/shifted around with different chars in different roles. Why? Wasnt the 1st one good enough? Why confuse people with TWO versions of Babylon 5? Or three versions, or four, thy stop there, it's THE MULTIVERSE! See what i mean?
I'd say because it's harder than ever to get audiences for a new show. With something like star wars or star trek, they already get that pre-built fan base, so they just keep cranking them out. I'm sure JMS would prefer that than potentially having no one show up for a show they've never heard of, plus all the issues of a new show that have to be worked out in the first season
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But, it IS a whole new show, he's changing things around, events, characters, places etc al. Theonly thing the same is calling it "babylon 5" You could slap that onto any series with connections to the main one and still retain the core audience. The ONLY thing i see as a problem is since he tried that with "crusade" which ..was...a thing he did and it didn't work, I guess he's reluctant to do another? I don't know but I think this retelling "multiversal" thing will be about as bad as when Marvel tried to pull it off. "Multiverses" do not work.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm pretty sure he's said that multiverse stuff from that animated movie has nothing to do with the remake. It'd only matter if they do more animated things.
>Everyone said I was daft to build a space station at Epsilon Eridani, but I built it all the same, just to show them. It blew up. So I built a second one. That blew up too. So I built a third. To my surprise, it suffered what they called a "catastrophic rapid disintegration". So I built a fourth. That one fell into a temporal anomaly then vanished without a trace. BUT THE FIFTH ONE WORKED! And that's what you're going to get, Anon, the strongest Babylon Station in all the galaxy.
>"I had most of our people evacuated from Selini during the night. A few stayed, to maintain the illusion of our presence. They knew what was being asked of them."
"As a young and foolish Centauri I swore I would die on my feet doing something noble and brave and futile. Perhaps it was not so wild a dream as I thought."
It was decades later than this shot, but he did.
The trick is having enough Babylon 5 fans to keep the thread bumped when it reaches page 10, but not having enough Babylon 5 fans to maintain active conversation and reach bump limit in a normal period of time.
When I was in highschool I was bidridden with a really bad flu for about an entire week. During that time I watched all of Babylon 5, my mum would go to Blockbuster every day and get another stack of VHS tapes for me. Having said that I can't remember a single thing about the show other than the dude with the funny hair. Is it good? Should I rewatch?
Unless you have a hate-on for sci-fi, watch it. Don't binge it again though; a little time between episodes helps recapture the feeling of watching it as it came out.
It's aged well, it's really the same now as it was then - first season takes a little bit to get it's legs, fifth season overall is weak because of behind the scenes problems, but overall just plain good
The main thing these days is to make sure you never listen to people who give bad advice like skipping the pilot or watching In the Beginning first
>Cinemaphile was, is, and shall remain a GREEN board.
Some of you are not Purple. Don't come to this thread tomorrow.
frick you purple homosexual green win forever green supreme purple shit color you with you drew green instead purple leader shit leader green 4 lyfe
Green here. I frick your wife and kill your children.
>Mass Drivers? They have been outlawed by every civilized planet
>These are uncivilized times
>We have treaties
>Ink on a page!
The Centauri are basically Israel
literally everything is isreal, israelites, or palestinians to you
>israeli writers
Well that explains it
Joseph Michael Straczynski is not israeli. He's polish, and poland was literally caught in the middle of the cold war.
The Green is Israel.
The Purple is also Israel.
Ultimately though, Ivanova is Israel.
You wish, israelite. It's more Astro-Hungary you generic rat.
israel are the shadows. the vorlons were the third reich. there are no vorlons now.
There really isn't anything IRL that can be used as an analogy for Vorlons. Shadows being israelites makes perfect sense though.
"Ours look like this"
HE DID KICK ME UP THE ARSE
That's my president
He did nothing wrong, this is how you deal with terrorists
Why is being sworn in with a bible? The show made a pretty big deal about how Earth was so incredibly religiously diverse while all the other planets just have one religion each. There was an episode about it in S1.
Most countries have kept a lot of traditions that date back to ancient egypt, just because.
Because JMS is trying to make it look like when LBJ was sworn in after the Kennedy assassination, and bring out those conspiracy feelings in you.
Meester garybaldy!
I hear this almost every time I see the name Garibaldi in real life
>Because with YOU, i will always know where i stand
Based Londo
Based and wise. Too many people learn this lesson too late.
Name my band
Golden Ghosts.
Hey man them dang ol' centauri went on up and hit those narns with them mass drivers, man like BOOM, left that home world like a dang ol' charcoal briquette man
"What i'm tryin ta tell ya is it's ok because they used clean burning propane to power those drivers, not some stinky charcoal"
What is with all the threads lately?
Need to show the zoomer whippersnappers how based B5 is since too many of them haven't seen it. They've just watched the garbage nu-trek instead
Why not post superior space kino instead
Apples and oranges.
im at the end of the first season and its starting to get good. episode 16 "A Human Reaction" is by far my favorite
room for both anon
Babylon 5 is more of a space opera whereas Farscape is an action/adventure series. If anything they complement each other quite well.
>john criton
>american space terrorist
i love it, but its not the same kind of beast as b5.
why not both?
going through this for the first time... currently in the 'harvey' era and loving the creativity with him. he's even more complex than scorpius somehow
>B5
>Farscape
>SG-1
I'll take all 3, thanks.
So will Vir kill Londo and be emperor himself. Or maybe Londo will die for other reasons? or was that prophecy just about the alternate future
have you not seen the end of the series?
Just keep watching
Dis homie living in 1994.
Frick the Minbari, those fricking bone head fricks
They provoked Earth Force a little bit.
>Dude pointing our guns at you is respectful lmao >NOOOO HOW CAN YOU ATTACK YOU DIE NOW
I do want to frick the Minbari
Next level troony
what shape are minbari veganas you think?
The Minbari are truly moronic. I would understand if this was their first contact but they've been contacting aliens for hundreds of years. Nobody in the universe thinks pointing guns is a sign of welcome. Especially not from a warship. Its so, so stupid.
>they've been contacting aliens for hundreds of years
That includes Shadows, Drahk, Those little frickers with the cellophane restraints, and the Dilgar. Weapons hot but not locked on IS being friendly.
homieri spotted. I bet you scream "dindu nuffin he waz a good boy" when a mindari dies to a nightwatch agent while "being friendly" with a gun in his hands
Why are they like this?
>Goes on a babyrage and almost kills a dude because "NONONONO YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE HER ENTIL'ZAH!"
I think it's genetic
The writing in this series is just silly at points. The writers needed a reason for the war and probably didn't spend more than 5 minutes on this
It needed to be done on an accidental cultural misunderstanding that was innocent on both sides but started a catastrophic war neither side initially wanted but couldn't stop. What would you suggest that would have been better?
Dunno, I am not a writer. But "showing weapons as a friendly gesture" is just silly. Even animals show their teeth as an aggression
Or just make the war a result of some rookie pilot getting overexcited and shooting. Perhaps he confuses one of the satellite dishes on a minbari ship as a laser weapon pointing at him.
It wasn't 'friendly' so much as it was a sign of respect. Like, 'we are warriors, we acknowledge you are also warriors and worthy of respect too'.
There's nothing more idiotic than warriors rattling their weapons at each other. Knights didn't show respect to strangers on the road by drawing their swords at them. They showed respect by offering them AN OPEN HAND. Where do you think handshakes come from?
>but they're aliens
There's no such thing as truly alien in science fiction written for television audiences.
>There's nothing more idiotic than warriors rattling their weapons at each other. Knights didn't show respect to strangers on the road by drawing their swords at them.
What if the knight merely drew their sword to strike an adder?
>What if the knight merely drew their sword to strike an adder?
If there are log tables on the field, your problems will start to multiply.
It wasn't saber rattling, in their culture it was showing respect and not being deceptive, not concealing the weapons and capabilities they have etc
Minbari Jesus however immediately knew it was a mistake with humans and tried to order it stopped but was too late, and it was made much worse by their more advance sensor tech unintentionally EMPing the human ships
>iN tHeIr cUltUrE
Yes, by all means, defend that bad writing that doesn't deserve it some more. That's a smart thing to let your ego do with your time.
Are you deliberately trying to come across as a complete idiot or what.
A lot of what the mimbari do is based on ancient japanese customs.
In bushido, it is considered polite and propper dress for the samurai to openly carry their sword(s) by their sides in public. At minimum, a long sword would be carried in such a way as to be able to be drawn instantly and thus create a kill area around the samurai. This represented his personal space which should not be violated. The reason for this is that this gave the samurai the means to always be able to defend himself while also allowing him to execute his authority over life and death when legally allowed/required. This also served as a method of idenitification, a samurai's rank could be disserned by the type of sword(s) he wore. The samurai would only give up his sword when entering the home of a higher ranking noble, and even then there was specific ceremony and ritual at play.
It's not nonsense or bad writing, its based on historical record. All the way to the Meiji restoration, japanese sword autists would get into fights with westerners over miscommunications involving their warrior autism.
The sword would stay in the damn sheath unless needed. If a samurai was walking along the road and another samurai coming from the other direction pulled out his sword and pointed it at him then of course that looks like an aggressive move to anyone.
Gunports closed and weapons powered off isn't equivalent to a sheathed sword but to one packed away in your luggage instead.
>If a samurai was walking along the road and another samurai coming from the other direction pulled out his sword and pointed it at him then of course that looks like an aggressive move to anyone.
actually, they had autism about that kind of shit too. a samurai didnt threaten someone by literally pulling out their sword, but rather with various hand jestures and handplacement on the sword/hilt/ect representing different degrees of disrespect/threat. The only time they would pull a sword out on the road was to literally kill.
there was a famous incident when some east india company israelite ignored the sword autism rules and walked right through a line of samurai to try and power flex on the noble they were escorting and the samurai cut him down, no questions asked.
It's not silly if you remember that whatused to be considered "polite" was to go up to your opponent unanounced and slap him lightly in the face with a glove if you wanted to 'duel'. The person getting slapped didnt freakout and stary throwing a hissy fit and open fire with a bazooka, they took their place, drew their sword and...usually died but that's anothermatter. What i'm saying is that 'customs' are strange and whats totally fine to one group of people, is alien or backwards to another.
Best ship
It's kind of funny they design the star fury with the idea of spinning in place, continuing to fly in one direction when engines are off, G-forces pulling you backward so you should be in a standing position, etc, but then didn't use that same philosophy on the larger ships. Everything is built like the standard water naval vessel rather than a skyscraper with floors perpendicular to the axis of motion.
>G-forces pulling you backward so you should be in a standing position
Only during a burn. They did plenty of coasting when they were traveling not dogfighting.
star furies are intended to do a lot more maneuvering than the capital ships which just snipe at each other with cannons
The Starfury game getting canned is such a crime to this day.
Thank god for freespace mods
God I loved this show. Someone posted the clip of the ISN when they were under attack by the president. I stoped watching the clip and immediately downloaded the series. I now think it’s one of the best shows ever made
It is.
Everyone who told Morden what they wanted got it, good and hard in some cases.
I watched this on Tubi last summer, it was fricking kino
I really like the Omega class. Something inherently cool about a spinning brick shooting particle beams
have you watched The Expanse? Spin the drum!
I'm praying the nu-show gets cancelled. Please don't ruin another thing i like?
where is purple sector?
"Humans and aliens wrapped in two million, five hundred thousand tons of spinning metal .. all alone in the night."
Sheridan’s voice over (season 2) was the best.
Nah Ivanova's season 3 intro was peak B5
>“The centrifuge was also 5 miles long (the station was actually bigger than that).”
>Ron Thornton
http://www.b5scrolls.com/#Screen1_01_13
where's the alien red light district
Ivanova's quarters
>That outtfit he sent for the second negotiation.
average man child star wars fan
When i accidentally start threads with typos i leave the board for a day and try to forget it
On the Internet, no one knows you're the same idiot.
On the internets, no one be knowings you are Zathras! Except , maybe Zathras. Zathras always being spyings on Zathras browisng history but Zathras is trained in 'Browser history management'. You are seeing now, yes?
Damn you're right, how do I edit my post??
give me a scene that will sell me on watching this series.
Have a quote instead:
"Captain, we're sorry. We thought you were dead."
"I was. I'm better now."
Drazi spokesman and Sheridan, The Summoning
Sheridan's "apology" is a better scene.
>Sheridan's "apology" is a better scene.
Fricker hid a whole Narn cruiser behind his neutral station despite his own gov wishes. It was his fault.
all right.
>suddenly getting that this implies the shadows were stealth-governing prime centauri as well
>Vorlons want to guide people to order
>hire Jack the Ripper to psychologically torture wannabe heroes
>talk in riddles
>befriend robots with brains and big hats
>pay hobos to sing to choir music
What did they mean by this?
>What did they mean by this?
you should be happy if you understand a tenth of Vorlon reasoning. They're an alien race billions of years old. Their comprehension is far beyond yours.
or it's lost in the translation.
>what's with the hat?
>keeps the rain off my head.
A daring synthesis.
I'll never get over how they ripped off wing commander prophecy. even the aliens are designed the same way.
The Thirdspace aliens were pretty damned scary. Stronger telepaths than the Vorlons, older, more advanced tech and wholly evil.
captcha: doogy lel
I like this homie
I don't like that Zathras. I like other Zathras. He's funnier.
Is there really any reason to watch this show if I've already seen Star Trek Deep Space Nine? This is basically just a drier, slower version of that, right?
>Is there really any reason to watch this show if I've already seen Star Trek Deep Space Nine?
yes, it's better.
> This is basically just a drier, slower version of that, right?
No, it's a better story than DS9.
I honestly don't think you're a sci fi fan until you realise that star trek is literally goyslop shit.
>I honestly don't think you're a sci fi fan until you realise that star trek is literally goyslop shit.
that's why DS9 is best trek. it breaks the trek mold and has great characters, character arcs and a multi-season story.
I can't stand any other trek except the movies.
Its only redeeming quality is the fact it's a knock off of babylon 5.
>people say DS9 ripped off Babylon 5
>can definitely see some connections with it taking place on a space station with a looming war, but a 100% ripoff?
>suddenly they reveal a shadowy organization called "bureau 13"
the source of that "theory" is JMS himself, he pitched the show to paramount, they passed, then turned his pitch into a star trek show
>suddenly they reveal a shadowy organization called "bureau 13"
Which JMS stole from someone else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_13
>secret organization runs everything from behind the scenes and gets its hands dirty to protect society
This idea is older than your father. All science fiction made for television is just cobbled-together westerns rewritten to have a spaceship.
>me looking at my hairline in the mirror every morning
>t.
I wish we could have seen more of the Warlock class.
I liked seeing them hauling ass to escape in Call to Arms. It's a rarely scene depiction of B5 ships since they're usually 'slow'.
wtf is this looks like BSG
it's from The Lost Tales
We are all made of star stuff
Tell me about the female Centauri. Any cute ones?
is babylon 5 truly kino
my backlog wears thin
4scape
Babylon 5
The P6oner
Blake's 7
Starg8
Deep Space 9
Ginei10
The holy pantheon of numbers beckons.
It's over
Does Babylon 5 have any real sci-fi elements?
Or are all the "aliens" just Russians and Germans and Japanese stand-ins?
It has non-corporeal alien aliens called Vorlons and Shadows, but with your mindset I'm sure you can find ways to compare them with real world groups too.
Those are more of a fantasy concept imo.
any real sci-fi elements?
They basically consulted JPL back in the day to make believeable starship designs like the rotating ship sections for gravity and the starfuries. The aliens come in all shapes, from almost human Centauri, the tentacle faced roadkill eaters the Pak'mara to elder thing lovecraftian Thirdspace aliens. What do you want?
But does any of that actually matter to the plot?
Like the ship is rotating but the set just looks like any random earth office building.
Just go back to watching Acolyte. It's more your speed.
I'll take that as a no.
It's the West Wing in space.
Low blow, anon.
We're just having some bants here, no need to get nasty with it.
It's referenced several times that Earth wasnt and isnt as advanced as other races with gravameric drives and only moved up when they got shared tech with the centauri/Minbari. The vorlons and shadows are even moreso using living organisms as their tech.
>What do you want?
NEVER ASK THAT QUESTION!
>The aliens come in all shapes, from almost human Centauri, the tentacle faced roadkill eaters the Pak'mara to elder thing lovecraftian Thirdspace aliens
Remember the insectoid crime boss in the early episodes? I'm sure he was definitely intended to be a recurring grey character/potential antagonist until dropped
Yes. There must have been something with its animation/animatronics that just didnt pan out. Would have liked to see some more of him and maybe others of the race.
Forgotpic
I was pissed this dude didn't show up after season 3
I mean 1 frick
to be fair many interesting elements just get a passing comment or are briefly featured
What was stopping the other races from having secret telepath societies like psi corps?
Sportsmanship. Other races didn't want to be overpowered because it would ruin the game.
The other races weren't so terrified of telepaths that they created something like PsiCorps.
also telepathy wasn't prevalent in every race. Races such as the Narn, has most of their telepaths BTFO by the shadows ages ago to the point G'kar was willing to pay Lyta money for sex to get a chance at birthing new ones.
Season 1 G'Kar was a sitcom goofball.
His long slog toward greatness over 4 seasons is one of the best parts of B5.
The best part is that he hates it.
"""
"Where is my book? It is my only copy!"
"Yes, that is precisely the point. The Kha'Ri felt that if anything happened to you, the book of G'Kar would never see the light of day, so they .. liberated it."
"Liberated it?"
"We took it home. Those that read it were very moved by it and they made some copies."
"Copies?!"
"Just a few, .. for their friends. A few more, .. later few more copies."
"How many?!"
"That's hard to say, exactly. There was some confusion when it went to the printers."
"Printers?! I've only been gone for a month, Ta'Lon, there can't be that many copies floating around this quickly. How many?"
"Five or six .. hundred .. thousand."
"What?"
"I've been told that it will out-sold the book of G'Quan. .. Congratulations, citizen G'Kar. You are now a religious icon."
G'Kar and Ta'Lon, The Ragged Edge
"""
I just slid the first disk of season one into the PC; it's you clown's fault if I don't get any sleep tonight.
>still has a CD-ROM drive
>has Babylon 5 on DVD
no homosexual but i would suck your wiener dry for being so based
"Born to the Purple" just started; that Centauri dancer is is a babe. A mostly bald head with a ponytail is crazy hot.
>that one episode where Garibaldi goes back to Earth to work his side job as a cab driver so he can put his son through college and takes him to McDonalds for dinner
I didn't know spoo came in burger form
>Slowly getting through Season 5
Holy shit this is a slog, I only look forward to the Centauri storyline, couldn't give a shit about telepaths
Yeah, most of S5 is really poor, last few eps and SiL make up for it though.
I honestly think that final arc is deeply mediocre as well even if it's a clear step up from the early-mid season slog.
Lennier incel arc is just awful for example.
they thought the series was getting cancled at 4, so they wrote 4 to finish things up, then suprise season 5 is a-go and it was kind of a 'well... frick' moment for the writer.
JMS also suffered an incident where he'd taken his writing stuff with him on the road when he was doing some conventions, and hotel cleaners threw his S5 outline and notes in the trash and they weren't recovered. So an already compromised season got gutted and he had to try and pull shit together from memory and redo it.
ironically I think that helped s4 since so much was condensed into it and it now had decent pacing compared to earlier seasons.
Oh totally, I have no problem with how s4 turned out.
JMS always said the original finale of that season if it wasn't compressed would have been "Intersections in Real Time" (the Sheridan interrogation episode) and I kind of feel like that wouldn't have been a very satisfying finale or cliffhanger.
That was one of the best episodes of anything, ever though.
Why not simply rewrite it given his autistic dedication to HIS sci-fi universe? Obviously shit would be changed when rewriting from scratch but if he would still have the basic story outline already mapped out in his head.
I still don't understand why s5 was written that way and no stuff like building up to the future events we saw in War Without End. Bring the Londo/G'kar stuff full circle from a plot perspective, and it is mad that the son of Sheridan and Delenn remains, to this day, an off screen character.
A lot of that it not only because season five had to go through basically a rushed last minute write because of the surprise renewal and JMS losing all his notes, but a bunch of those things are remnants of B5's original five year plan that changed drastically just due to the nature of production, actor availability etc.
War Without End was conceived as both the series finale and setup for a sequel series that would continue the story for another five years.
B5 would have been destroyed by the Minbari (as seen in Babylon Squared) and the people escaping it's destruction in the shuttle would be Sinclair, Delenn, their infant son David and some others. They'd then travel to Babylon 4 and bring it into the *present* to serve as the new headquarters of the alliance against the Shadows. The process would rapid age Sinclair to give him the "will only live twenty more years, top" thing that Sheridan had, and it would age their son David into an adult. David would be a good hearted but occasionally awkward Ranger because he had to be rapidly educated up to his physical age, and he'd eventually rise to be the first president of the Interstellar Alliance after the Shadow War ended.
Was it always Sinclair's destiny to become Valen after the Shadows, Clark government, etc. had been dealt with?
Nope, was never part of the original concept. The end of his story would be him going off into self imposed exile to live out his few remaining years alone in peace
My copy is in storage somewhere so these are the only two pages of it I have handy, but it shows what it was like
Honestly the white star fleet got really boring with how OP they were compared to most of the other ships out t here
The Shadows and Shadow allies could go toe to toe with them anytime.
I think it's season 5 where it's finally mentioned that the WSF is good, but carrying the load in two back to back major conflicts has taken a toll on it from attrition
Green... Purple...
Ivanova got them to make peace with her vegana.
I'll see you again, in a million years.
You are not ready for immortality.
The Cinemaphile logo is green, hence green website, purple gays leave
Oh, yeah... that's the uh, ancient egyptian god of frustration.
my favorite joke in the entire show
Did they ever explain why one of the first ones would sperg out if you mentioned the Vorlons?
Even the other First Ones think that the Vorlons are a pain in the ass.
This. That was the walkers of Sigma957. They basically fricked off from the universe en toto and just come back to check things eery so often. The Vorlons were probably well known for being Authoritative order dickheads and they were havin none of it.
The Vorlons and Shadows are the youngest of the First Ones
It's basically like mentioning someones annoying kids
>annoying kids
Bratty little siblings who screw up every family trip with their constant bickering.
No, the Vorlons are the youngest of the 1st ones, the shadows are the oldest, right after Lorien.
because they are annoying little c**ts wrapped up in their insane game of pretend and daddy first first one loves them the best.
Be honest, could they tempt you with your dead wife?
>Temp me with my dead wife...who THEY made dead.
Hmmm i'm thinkin nuke from orbit
Nah. Keep the b***h. I'm free.
Kosh can be a real jerk.
Don't care if he's a dick, he's still my favorite.
Ulkesh fanboys can suck a dick.
AHEM ATTENTION PEOPLE OF CENTAURI PRIME
I want /b5 general/ just the way it was
generals are elemental cancer
Frick narns
I'm about halfway through season 4, does gary-baldy go back to being likable or is he a ptsd/brainwashed douche for the rest of the season?
he gets better eventually but it's a rough trip watching him be a dick to everyone
I thought chekov just left him on the monorail as an empty husk
later he apologizes and comes back into the fold
I understand why I blocked that out. he was barely a character anymore in addition.
they had to condense what they were doing since they didn't know if they were going to have a S5.
S4 was originally supposed to end with Sheridan being captured by Earth Force
yeah,
said that, and I whole wholeheartedly disagree that it would've been a weak finale. The one and only reason that episode was weak was because of how quickly sheridan gets rescued from the forever interrogations. A seasonal break after that episode would've been beyond perfect.
I think if the production knew they were getting a s5, S4 and S5 would've been the best sci-fi tv series content ever.
I mean S3 was amazing and the show kept getting better, there's nothing to suggest if the show didn't run into production problems that the execution of S4/S5 wouldn't have been just as good, if not better.
yeah he doesnt have much presence past that, it was kind of his last relevance plot-wise
>hindoos are the pak'mar'a carrion eaters who smell
What is Edgars Industries
>sector full of indians pooping everywhere
>name it brown sector
indians aren't allowed in space.
Thoughts on the new CGI film?
>Thoughts on the new CGI film?
It was good.
It's true purpose was to establish the fact that the multiverse exists in the Babylon 5 universe and that's why the upcoming reboot is allowed to exist
That's a nice way to not retcon or decanonize the original series.
>That's a nice way to not retcon or decanonize the original series.
exactly
yep, original B5 still happened just in another universe
Kind of a mess. I'm not liking the multiverse thing or who will be chosen to be in different roles. The art in that was decent to cringeworthy at times also. I don't want to see anything that diminishes the original show or its cast going forward. I think there are other avenues that could be explored to expand on, like maybe have a series on the Dilgar war.
>I'm not liking the multiverse thing or who will be chosen to be in different roles.
Everyone is terrified to create a new character or setting rather than recycle old ones.
Yeah but that's just it, He is basically just gona RETELL the same story with certain parts removed/shifted around with different chars in different roles. Why? Wasnt the 1st one good enough? Why confuse people with TWO versions of Babylon 5? Or three versions, or four, thy stop there, it's THE MULTIVERSE! See what i mean?
>Why?
Because practically no one has faith in their ability to create anymore.
I'd say because it's harder than ever to get audiences for a new show. With something like star wars or star trek, they already get that pre-built fan base, so they just keep cranking them out. I'm sure JMS would prefer that than potentially having no one show up for a show they've never heard of, plus all the issues of a new show that have to be worked out in the first season
But, it IS a whole new show, he's changing things around, events, characters, places etc al. Theonly thing the same is calling it "babylon 5" You could slap that onto any series with connections to the main one and still retain the core audience. The ONLY thing i see as a problem is since he tried that with "crusade" which ..was...a thing he did and it didn't work, I guess he's reluctant to do another? I don't know but I think this retelling "multiversal" thing will be about as bad as when Marvel tried to pull it off. "Multiverses" do not work.
I'm pretty sure he's said that multiverse stuff from that animated movie has nothing to do with the remake. It'd only matter if they do more animated things.
Do I need to watch Babylon 1-4 to "get" this show?
yes
nah, they recap them for you.
>Everyone said I was daft to build a space station at Epsilon Eridani, but I built it all the same, just to show them. It blew up. So I built a second one. That blew up too. So I built a third. To my surprise, it suffered what they called a "catastrophic rapid disintegration". So I built a fourth. That one fell into a temporal anomaly then vanished without a trace. BUT THE FIFTH ONE WORKED! And that's what you're going to get, Anon, the strongest Babylon Station in all the galaxy.
could do a angry hitler sketch about the disappearance of babylon 4
>pew pew pew
>"I had most of our people evacuated from Selini during the night. A few stayed, to maintain the illusion of our presence. They knew what was being asked of them."
Poor Mollari didn't see anything
>Same time next week?
If Babylon 5 is so good why there isn't a Babylon 6? Checkmate, nerds.
>why there isn't a Babylon 6?
The movies, Crusade, Legend of the Rangers, the animated movie, several series of books and the reboot.
Whatever bro, frick that show, guy with magical unexplained shadow or whatever that frick political powers somehow makes things happen.
talk to your doctor about mental moronation
arthur episode was kino
Thats a really cool pic
>thread is still up after almost 2 days
is it anatomically correct?
"As a young and foolish Centauri I swore I would die on my feet doing something noble and brave and futile. Perhaps it was not so wild a dream as I thought."
It was decades later than this shot, but he did.
This fricking guy is in everything
no, he isn't, youre racist and think all racists look alike
No really, that's Daniel Dae Kim and he's in a shit ton of TV shows
Yeah he was like the "go to" asian guy for most of the 00's
Was he right about telepaths?
DS9 better
ew
>48 hour thread and counting
How did you all do it?
The trick is having enough Babylon 5 fans to keep the thread bumped when it reaches page 10, but not having enough Babylon 5 fans to maintain active conversation and reach bump limit in a normal period of time.
Hard to do with time zones being what they are
They would have done it too
When I was in highschool I was bidridden with a really bad flu for about an entire week. During that time I watched all of Babylon 5, my mum would go to Blockbuster every day and get another stack of VHS tapes for me. Having said that I can't remember a single thing about the show other than the dude with the funny hair. Is it good? Should I rewatch?
Unless you have a hate-on for sci-fi, watch it. Don't binge it again though; a little time between episodes helps recapture the feeling of watching it as it came out.
It's aged well, it's really the same now as it was then - first season takes a little bit to get it's legs, fifth season overall is weak because of behind the scenes problems, but overall just plain good
The main thing these days is to make sure you never listen to people who give bad advice like skipping the pilot or watching In the Beginning first
>never listen to people who give bad advice like skipping the pilot or watching In the Beginning first
similar to TOS Star Trek then