I wonder how people will view films like Interstellar and Lightyear once time dilation os debunked.
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I wonder how people will view films like Interstellar and Lightyear once time dilation os debunked.
I wonder how people will view films like Interstellar and Lightyear once time dilation os debunked.
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>once time dilation os debunked.
So, never?
Just because you dilate constantly doesn't mean time does too troony.
I just got a call from the Nobel committee and according to them, a team of elite scientists at MIT saw your Cinemaphile post calling Albert Einstein transgender and have unanimously decided to overturn the last 100 years of physics and return to newtonian mechanics like catholic God intended us to. Your nobel prize is in the mail, but we don't know how long it will take to arrive because timezones are judenphysik.
I do believe this is the best post I have read on Cinemaphile this year.
>judenphysik
Kek.
How will anon ever recover from this?
Quality post.
Maybe this board isn't full of morons after all
>timezones are judenphysik.
Actually lost it
Holy fricking BASED
>timezones are judenphysik
All these samegay replies embarrassing kek
>timezones are judenphysik
Sometimes, you guys come up with some real gems.
I knew there was a reason I come back to this dumb fricking website
Newtonian? Heretic! Aristotelian is the noblest way to go!
>Aristoelian
Grug prefer "fireflies caught in big bluish black thing" model
Hello, I am from the mystery cult of Pythagoras, would you like to talk about triangles and human sacrifice?
Chuckle level: sensible
This right here is perfect.
This is the kind of Cinemaphile post we all strive to make, but rarely succeed in making.
> timezones are judenphysik
Sometimes this shithole actually produces quality content
>this is what Cinemaphile finds peak comedy
Anon Chill he's already dead.
Okay, you're a bad person. But that made me laugh, so have a (you).
Funny
Way fricking funnier
Agree
oh god lmao
I'm sure all those natural philosophers felt like they had everything figured out to, anon.
>natural physics is the same as natural philosophy
One was theorized by math and proven through smaller scale experiments and the other was made up by people who didn't even know the sun was a star. Guess which is which.
Here is the thing. Time dilation, which is currently the theory that we think works about what happens approaching lightspeed.
BUT
Maybe science will discover new things that show us that it is wrong.
That's how science works. You get new info and analyze that and the new details may lead us to new conclusions on how something works.
time dilation is literally an observable phenomenon
>time dilation
Lol
People can swallow action movies with female leads, I'm sure they'd manage to suspend their disbelief for something like that.
Time dilation is pretty much unquestionable in our model of the universe. A bigger issue is whether there's actually a magical form of matter and energy that conveniently cannot be observed directly or experimented on in any way, or if our model of gravity is simply wrong.
*Our CURRENT model
Never forget that science is a constantly evolving thing and isn't set
The current is implied. If I said our dog had black fur, you'd know I meant the dog I currently had.
That anon talked about models being wrong he clearly understands your onions Reddit correction
Dark Matter/Energy definitely feels like something that will be looked back on like Aether is when all is said and done.
Dark matter is an explanation for something we can see is real, not a mystery substance that we invented because we couldn't imagine a vacuum.
>not a mystery substance that we invented
But that's literally what dark matter is
>Oi bollocks, we have no idea how the universe works, lets just pretend some imaginary kind of matter exists so that our whole model won't fall apart till we retire. Then it's someone else's problem lol
You know instead of pretending everyone else is just as moronic as you, you could go read up on what it is and what is known about it.
>read up on it
The first search result for "dark matter" is
>Dark matter is a hypothetical form of matter
lmao
It is neither impossible nor unlikely thst dark matter be prove false in the next decades. So is the way of cience. Deal with it
No anon that's moronic. It's like a placeholder. It's like if you see a vague shape in the dark and think "that must be a chair because it's chair shaped". If you turn on the light and see that it is in fact a monster vaguely shaped like a chair you didn't prove that it didn't exist or was false, you just discovered that your theory of it being a chair was incorrect. But regardless the shape existed, there was an object there, there are known factors. Whatever you label it as or try to theorize it might be, we know there is matter out there we can't detect which has certain characteristics. And we don't know what it is exactly but we still know that it's there.
It can't be "proven false". Theories about what it might be could be proven false, but all there is to prove is what it is. That it is is not in question.
You might have a point if not for the fact that multiple different experiments and models that work in other contexts have encountered problems and phenomena that can all be explained by the existence of Dark Matter.
There could of course be other possible explanations but so far no one has come up with one that fits the available evidence and explains what we see as well as Dark Matter does. It's not laziness, it's our best possible guess at the answer. Our model could obviously be wrong, in fact it most likely is. But so far no one has come up with an alternative one that explains the effects we attribute to dark matter while also explaining all the other things our current model covers.
>problems and phenomena that can all be explained by the existence of Dark Matter.
Sure, but that's like if the police said "the disappearances can all be explained by the existence of a ninja sasquatch"
Wouldn't it be closer to the police saying something like "the disappearances can all be explained by the existence of a human trafficking ring that we don't have the means or intel to unmask right now"?
Consider: black holes used to be called dark stars. Because their gravitational effects were observed and their existence theorized, but their nature hadn't been fully figured out.
That is where dark matter currently sits. It's like a placeholder name for something we see the vague shape of, or feel the effects of, but haven't actually figured out or found.
Eh, people have tried modified gravity before, and still do, but one way or another it fails spectacularly. It's worth mentioning that galactic rotations aren't the only piece of evidence for dark matter, just the impetus for people speculating on the idea. Once people ask "could their exist matter that interacts gravitational, but through any other force" and worked out the implications of said hypothesis, they found a surprising amount of support from multiple independent experiments, the most striking of which is the gravitational lensing applied to the bullet cluster. In fact, it's this observation that quite cleanly kills pretty much every theory of modified gravity. The other immediate killer is the fact that dark matter accurately predicts certain signals one measures from cosmic microwave background radiation, the "after glow of the early universe" as meme-pop-sci folk put it. So it's not just, "lol just add more particles". People have been exploring this problem from many angles and found that dark matter particles are the only viable explanation so far. It's also worth mentioning that matter that interacts very weakly isn't something new, take neutrinos for example. Many of the hypothetical particles that are dark matter candidates aren't really all that strange so it makes sense that they are out best bet for this problem.
>their exist
>not there exist
Frick me sideways
I haven't seen the movie so maybe I'm misunderstanding what you are communicating, but time dilation is real. In fact relativistic effects from GR must be accounted for in order to have accurate timing precision in satellites
Yeah. This is a directly observable phenomenon, it's not on the chopping block.
He's yet another moronic science denier. Probably thinks the earth is flat, too.
From a certain point of view the entire universe is flat. It only has the appearance of depth.
>I haven't seen the movie so maybe I'm misunderstanding what you are communicating
Biological aging slows down on one side of the universe as opposed to time on Earth.
I swear this site gets stupider everyday
You know we actually know this happens, right? Like, it starts at achievable speeds. The GPS network accounts for it.
The anti-intellectualism of the internet is a marvel. Just because you can't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
same as we view "inner space" movies: fondly
They’ll probably say “hey man that part where he used the exploding power cell to course correct the ship was frickin sick” and move on with their lives.
The cell phone your posted this from actually has to factor in time dilation when connecting to satellites. You being an ignorant moron doesn't make it not real. It's like asking when the sun's existence will be debunked.
>No one
>No one at all
>some Cinemaphile rando: yeah so it turns out time dilation is bullshit
Ironically too a satellite had to calculate for time dilation in order for him to be able to post this.
>No one
>No one at all
>No one in the whole city
>No one in the whole county
>No one in the whole state
>No one in the whole country
>No one in any other country
>No one on the whole planet
>No one in the solar system
>No one in the galaxy
>No one in any galaxy
>No one anywhere in the entirety of the universe
>No one in all of recorded history
>No one in all of unrecorded human history
>No one in all of history forever
>No one in the eternal unknown expanse of the entire future
>You: *is a moron posting YouTube comment memes on Cinemaphile*
Even mainstream meme scientists reddits like beginning to call theoretical physics field bullshit in general.
Because the whole thing is basically sci fi with no material backing. It's just a bunch of calculations that can be faulty. But what's worse is that people have started saying hypothetical shit with no scientific backing is possible. Because as we all know science has never been wrong before and then changed once new discoveries are made.
Gonna go out on a limb and assume you two idiots don't actually know what theoretical physics is because you're suggesting time dilation is part of it when it isn't.
You're going the direction of thinking it means that all complicated physics must be theoretical. No we know Einstein was right, we're just worried about shit like what even Einstein called "spooky action at a distance".
Time dilation isn't theoretical. Your phone literally use it to post on this site because satellites have to account for it to stay in sync with each other. You're just a few IQ points dropping from being like the morons who claim electricity isn't real and post about it on facebook.
Time dilation isn't theoretical physics. It's not dark matter or multiverse shit. You can actually observe time dilation by tracking the difference in time elapsed on two atomic clocks. One on earth and the other in a fast moving satellite in the orbit of earth. Hell, you need to do that kind of adjustment for satellite tech to even work
if the clocks are accurate enough, it's even observable at a height difference of fricking one meter
>Le Science
isn't going to save your shitty movie, pal. Nobody dislikes it just because they do dumb time-travel bullshit--they dislike it because everything listed in pic related.
Based dad dropping red pills.
>Calvin is just like that because his dad has been fricking with him his entire life
Explains a lot, really
Why was Calvin so bad at school when he knew about shit like the theory of relativity when kids his age were just learning how to add and subtract
Time Dilation sounds like Ultemecia's next hair-brained scheme if they ever made an FF8-2
>So Time Kompression didn't work
>I will try TIME DILATION
I need to finish FF8.
Every time I play it I get to the middle of disc 2 or 3 and then end up getting to buys to play and forgetting about it.
Also this reminds me, there was an announcement not too long ago that FF9 was getting an animated adaptation.
I hope it does well and inspires adaptations of some of the other FF games.
Meds. Now.
>man that music sure was pretty cool
>anyway, back to fricking my five romantic partners of varying genders
A character becomes evil and then uses time travel shenanigans to undo something in the past, and it all takes place on the same planet...
Wasn't that the plot of that crappy Lost in Space movie? The one with Joey from Friends?
Every time travel story uses the same 2 or 3 plots.
It was not original to that.
There are only two stories: a hero goes on a journey, and a stranger comes to town. Everything is a variation of those two things.
There are three stories.
someone's going to get those fricking diamonds one day
Spaghetti can suddenly talk is just a variation of a stranger comes to town.
This is a common misconception as the "stranger comes to town" is just a metaphor for "spaghetti can talk now" because the spaghetti suddenly being able to talk is similar to a stranger coming to town. The stranger is like the spaghetti and coming to town is like it suddenly being able to talk.
Hope this clears things up.
what if the spaghetti suddenly can talk, goes on a journey, and comes into a town as a stranger?
I think I just came up with the next bestseller boys...
You're overthinking it, spaghetti suddenly talking is like a stranger coming to town, but from the spaghetti's perspective it is setting out on a journey.
Time dilation is both theoretically, experimentally, and engineering-allly (we have to account for it in space satellites!) proven.
technologically, I'd imagine
Based on the comments here I'm thinking there's a trend for idiots who take their own ignorance to a thing to mean it must be fake theory. It's probably one of the first seeds of anti-intellectual cancer.
I don't understand why the cat couldn't just memorize the forumla for the energy crystal fuel
Who says it didn't?
The fact they can't even make more seems to indicate that
They can't make more because the facility to make it is inside the laser shield.
They pretty much just did that to keep them occupied and away from apprehending buzz
Yeah, so? He needed the help of younger buzz to work the controls on his time travel machine. Having a spare crystal was just a bonus.
What the frick are you talking about moron? He never needed buzz for the controls. He he just had him help since he was there anyways. The crystal was always the target
>needed the help of younger buzz to work the controls on his time travel machine. Having a spare crystal was just a bonus.
Uh bro I think you need to rewatch the movie
He literally said he needed buzz to work the controls, he never said he couldn't just make another crystal at any time.
>he need buzz to work the controls
He's directing him what to do in that scene. This isn't some weird ass oh we need two of these people at the same time to work this machine
Where the frick did you even get that idea?
Dude you might have just straight up misheard a chunk of the dialogue
>Having a spare crystal was just a bonus.
Did you miss the scenes where he's trying to kill buzz for the crystal and he's hanging onto buzz's ship at the end trying to get that crystal
Well yeah by that point he needed it, because he could no longer make another one himself. The people on the planet would have arrested him if he tried to use their crystal making machine, and he couldn't just sneak in like young buzz did because he was old and slow. They'd catch him for sure.
You realize the robots did it to keep them inside that laser bubble right? Buzz would be effectively alone with the crystal with no help at all.
Here's a cool clip about time dilation from the Carl Sagan Cosmos.
>if you move at the speed of light you age slower than everyone else on the planet
Based on what, that's my point, ok bro, a clock moves slower underwater than on the surface, why does this mean you can override biological aging. Shit like this is why people began to unironically think like
and lose their faith in science. If light and gravitational pull have such an effect on the body can't you just become immortal by putting yourself in a artifical room with perfect light and perfect gravitational pull.
>shit like this
your own fundamental moronation?
God it's a mess just trying to unpack everything stupid in this. I thought that Sagan video was annoying because of how dumbed down it was but apparently it wasn't enough.
Time is RELATIVE. If you are in a care and look into a car next to you traveling at the same speed they would not be moving away or towards you, because you're going the same speed, so REALTIVE to you, with respect to you they are not moving. You are both moving fast relative to the road, but you are not moving relative to each other.
If time is relative that means that if time is moving at one rate for you and another rate for someone else then aging is not slowed, it is moving normally for you, from your perspective it is moving normal. However from the perspective of a place where time is moving at a different speed you appear to be going faster or slower.
Biological aging stays the same because relative to itself it is moving at its natural speed. It just happens that if you throw yourself into some really extreme speeds or are in a place where gravity has warped space like a rubber sheet, then time where you are might be moving at a different rate RELATIVE to others in a different location who are not doing crazy shit.
Does that help?
so you're saying spaghetti is relative
Yeah what did you think string theory was about?
that doesn't seem right
String cheese, obviously.
String cheese is mozzarella, which is Italian. What else is Italian? Spaghetti. It's all connected.
>Biological aging stays the same because relative to itself it is moving at its natural speed. It just happens that if you throw yourself into some really extreme speeds or are in a place where gravity has warped space like a rubber sheet, then time where you are might be moving at a different rate RELATIVE to others in a different location who are not doing crazy shit.
Again this part is absolutetly moronic because aging isn't defined by your place in the universe it's a natural occuring phenomenon. You'd have to prove that cells from upper orbit in space are younger than the ones on Earth.
a person moving at close to light speed is still aging normally in their own frame of reference. They just appear to be aging at an infinitesimal rate to an outside observer.
>N-No bro it just looks like they don't age they actually died at the same time the other person did the light just hits and makes it look like they're still alive
Literally all time dilation media shows people cheating biology because of gravity and light.
it's not "cheating" biology. They're aging and living their life normally from their own perspective. But time is not absolute, so to someone sitting on Earth, they appear to be aging slower.
This has literally been experimentally proven.
anon you don't have a clue how gravity or light work and get upset when people try to explain it to you, why would you then assume they can't cheat biology? The answers are out there, it just seems you're too moronic to understand the concepts.
Carl Sagan's video was intended for fricking children and it went over your head.
>You'd have to prove that cells from upper orbit in space are younger than the ones on Earth.
Funny you say that because this is the case and has been proven, the difference is by nanoseconds. And when you post your moronic replies to this website satellites in the atmosphere have to account for that difference in order to accurately communicate with each other.
But "your place in the universe" kind of matters a frick ton, because it's always changing, because you are moving at all times, on a rock spinning around a star spinning around a million other stars spinning around a black hole. Which itself is moving to other massive black holes that are the centers of other galaxies.
Yet despite this you and your body perceive that you are sitting down right now and not moving at a great speed. Because that movement is relative. If you are in a moving train and bounce a ball it appears to go down and bounce back up, but in reality it is also moving along the track at great speed because it is in a train, but you also being in the train perceive it to be moving down and then up.
You on a near lightspeed train going around a black hole appear to be moving at a normal speed. Because you are. Your watch ticks the seconds just the same. Nothing seems slowed down or sped up. But an observer watching you spin around that gravity well will experience your movement as having slowed down. What seems like a 5 hour flight will be years to them. Because time itself is relative.
man frick science, making me question my existence and being
it should be making you question how you've managed to function with a peanut for a brain
That's not me dumbass that's some random guy hopping into the thread. Great job lashing out at literally anyone who replies at you though, you sure are making science's optics look good and not like a reincarnation of the Inquisition that will be remembered as equally ignorant because they thought they knew everything.
Epic link the paper.
>why would you assume they can't cheat biology
Because a bunch of hypothetical calculations with no evidence and just speculation aren't enough to prove a theory?
ok, YOU should be questioning how you've managed to function with a peanut instead of a brain
https://aapt.scitation.org/doi/10.1119/1.1969508
>Epic link the paper.
here you go:
http://hermes.ffn.ub.es/luisnavarro/nuevo_maletin/Einstein_1905_relativity.pdf
You might recognize the author's name.
>Shame on you for making fun of me being a moron
Kek
As has been stated many times before in this thread, time dilation is proven science. You can prove it in your backyard if you have accurate enough clocks
…You do get that aging is dependent on the passage of time right?
This is the fundamental thing he seems to be caught up on.
He thinks aging and the passage of time are disconnected phenomena.
I watched the shitty camrip
Was there another post credits scene besides the bug getting zapped by the bubble?
A cameo of the other rookies from star command? What about cameos of LGMs
There is, it's shown that old buzz somehow survived.
Evil buzz always finds a way
Time isn't relative.
Energy's capacity to effect matter is relative.
time doesn't exist, it's an arbitrary system of measuring entropy
Time dilation is already proven and it's been done in FAR better media, like Gunbuster
>Gunbuster
Excellent taste, frick the imitators
>imitators
you mean diebuster ,':^)
But gunbuster is a Forever War imitator
t. moron
Gunbuster is an Aim for Ace ripoff and openly admits that it is.
gunbuster is the quintessential sci-fi story with time dilation to me
>zurg's hand gets blasted off and scampers away
Was this somehow important
Time dilation is kino
>He thinks aging or clocks are a measurements of time
A lot of brainlets in this thread.
What even is time
A direction. If you look at a graph you see the x and y axis which are up down left and right. Add a z axis for three dimensions and it's up down left right forward back.
Now add a 4th. That is time. we exist in a three dimensional space but move through a 4th.
Can I change directions in time?
Can you change the direction the earth is moving around the sun? Theoretically is could potentially move in that direction, but you don't have the power and ability to do that.
A metaphysical concept, not related to physics.
OP be honest, do you have a Cinemaphile pass because your room temperature IQ struggles with Captcha? Or is this merely a side effect of watching that garbage in theaters?
Oh I haven't seen Lightyear and pirated Interstellar, I just hate time dilation as a concept whenever portrayed in media.
You're the only person in this thread not just being a pseud sperging out that thwir religious world view isn't being challenged so I'll reply to you seriously:
Your paper is locked behind an access wall.
>science is the religious world view
god you're so moronic it hurts. People literally tell you how this shit works and you just go "I don't like it so I'm ignoring it".
>science is a religious worldview
When you act like a bunch of ticked off Abrahamics yes.
>People literally tell you how this shit works and you just go "I don't like it so I'm ignoring it".
No, you're all regurgitating theorems you heard from authority figures only one person in the thread even bothered to contradict me with actual evidence.
>people have to spoon feed me concepts I’m too dumb to understand
How about taking some responsibility for your own lack of understand, you fricking moron
Anon they were giving really well thought out explanations tailored to your intellectual level to help you understand complex concepts and you're mad and say they're sperging israelites.
When the easier answer is this: you're wrong.
No. Him being moronic is not a reflection on the statement that science has become religion, it has. The idea that people cannot question the science (one that is embraced by the scientific community, by the state and by the media) is antithetical to the actual scientific method and a rhetorical cudgel that has been slowly cultivated with the express intention of cowing lay people into unquestioning obedience.
Covid's initial response is an amussing example of this regardless of which side of the moron fence you come down on in terms of the issue.
>people start wearing masks
>no it's not airborne don't wear them
>actually n-n-n-no it's just an aerosol I guess you can wear them
>actually just wear surgical bibs despite multiple well verified studies saying they're worthless
All this when the question of transmission had been pretty obviously reported and tested before hand by chinese authorities (unreliable in testimony but if you looked at their practices on the ground it was obvious what was FUD) and third parties.
If you supported N5s from the start you were a conspiracy nut and then a hypochondriac after that. People are unironically cattle at this stage and even amongst smarter people few enough have been trained in stats so it's super easy to just frick them over with pretty numbers because they'll never look at the methodology or broader data set.
Science at this point is, for the lay person, very much a thing of faith and in a simialr fashion to theology, used as a greater international authority to govern behaviour the state couldn't enforce by its own office alone.
>lemme just rant about COVID for a while
you people are a parody of yourselves
I used a no-no word and you shut down? Excellent. I made no comment on covid as a viral pandemic and simply examined the efficacy of masks, the actual research around that as well as the state and media portrayal of that research.
If you literally cannot hear the words without losing higher functions then you're already dead. Sorry but next time actually read the post. I'm 100% right.
I don't know what Covid has to do with time dilation, Anon, but I think your post speaks more for yourself then anything you're trying to argue
It was an example to do with science as religion. I could have used countless others but Covid is something everyone is familiar with. It's horrifying to see how moronic mentioning it makes what I can only assume is Americans. I said nothing about the actual virus. I've made no political statements or declared any affiliations. You have no idea about my stance on things except to note that the policy on masks flip flopped regardless of the available research and was presented as whatever the state needed it to be at the time.
>mad about covid as well
I literally don't fricking how this is so hard for people. I specifically only mentioned it in ONE context and very intentionally stayed off everything else. What the frick is wrong with you people?
>was presented as whatever the state needed it to be at the time.
but that's an actively absurd argument. To think the state wouldn't prefer a single solution in order to appear in control of the situation rather than constant flip-flopping and making themselves look like they have no idea what they're doing is asinine. If anything, the rapidly evolving and changing mask policies is evidence science ISN'T treated as religion since there was never a "canon" that was stuck to, and the answer changed every other week as they learned something new.
This.
An unknown disease means extra procautions based on past experience. As more information is know the guidelines will change and adapt, mostly becoming less strict as time goes on as more is found about what works and what is or isn't dangerous. Different levels of different governments react to the same information at different rates and result is slightly different guidelines.
So the idea of it "flip flopping" was just a moronic narrative made up to ignore the problem entirely.
I can't still believe judenbiologie completely flip-flopped from saying illness is caused by bad air to teeny tiny little bugs and they just expect us to buy it
like come on, talk about worshipping science
>It's not my job to educate you Chud
>Anyway let me tell you what this has to do with COVID
Thanks for proving all time dilation believers are redditors, I'm done here, your entire belief system shattered with these posts alone to anyone wiyh an actual iq over 110 rather than just 95 believing they're smart because they jerk off to science documentaries.
The covid guy was defending you moron, I’m the one making fun of you. You don’t even have the reading comprehension to tell when people are on your side, lmfao
>Him being moronic
He's clearly on your side jackass.
His post was literally "he's wrong about time dilation not being real, but he's right about science being religious".
But your pea brain apparently can't grasp the idea of people not being in an easy "my side your side" split on everything.
>His post was literally "he's wrong about time dilation
And that's all you need to know. The 2nd point is moot in comparison.
>he's on your side so why would he be on my side for another topic?
Can everyone in this thread forget the covid anon's post and focus on the fact that no matter what our differences, what we all might argue about, at least none of us are as stupid as OP.
>he's on your side so why would he be on my side for another topic?
The same literally applies to you, the difference is you can tell he started out arguing about time dilation with you by his side.
OP please do the world a favor and prove time dilation wrong by flying into the sun.
Yeah like I have no beef with the Covid guy even if I disagree with his example, he forgets epidemiology is as much social science as it is biology. But OP is one of the dumbest frickers on the plane, hands down.
Yes I was but I did also preface all that with him being a moron (which is extremely evident now) - so I was more defending one of his points than his entire stance.
>you were wrong about covid
You have no idea what my position is. You're tilting and windmills and made up ideas of who I am and what my beliefs are rather than what I actually said.
Fact is, if you have no idea about methodolgies or statistical techniques you cannot expect to understand statistical papers. It's just the truth. If I told you hard helmets are dangerous and increase head injury in soldiers you'd believe it rather than noting that injuries increase in the place of fatal wounds. And that's such a simple thing to look at it only gets harder in sociological studies or in complex systems.
Reading a fricking article in a field you know nothing about is an act of faith for you, anon, you specifically. If you think you're exceptional then fine - but would you say the same of everyone else in the population who come at things with the same zeal?
Honestly I think you want to see yourself as smarter than you are. Because even in topics that have vested interests trying to silence any opposition there's usually still people of equal standing and achievement with their own ideas about what's happening. Popular discourse, even amongst academics has NEVER been indicative of an idea being more or less correct and in fact radical, but correct ideas, are often demonised. So this appeal to the masses is just as moronic as the lay person's appeal to authority and only people who have read and can comprehend exactly what they're reading can form balanced opinions.
>You have no idea what my position is.
I think regardless you're caught up your own ass about trying to justify the position you're now trying to refrain from revealing. You're drawing ellipses in order to justify it and that's pretty strong evidence as to what it is.
>you're right I don't know but your neutrality makes you my enemy - either you're with me or against me
Genuinely low IQ. Tell me what position you think I've taken and I'll happily confirm it if that's all that matters to you.
Notice how I've continued to talk about the topic of scientific research being used as a rhetorical cudgel whereas you've latched onto covid and chimped out trying to batter me with whichever cudgel you can find? You prove my point and you disgrace yourself.
Notice how you brought up covid and used the term chimped out as a copout, no different than OP's multiple claims that everyone else is sperging out.
Your posts now are just like someone drawing epicycles to justify a geocentric orbit. The purpose behind them is to validate your own opinion.
>frick you for your opinion
>what opinion
>frick you
Good job.
I even indulged your tangent and instead you pivoted away from that too. You will do anything to avoid saying something of substance. Don't reply.
>Science at this point is, for the lay person, very much a thing of faith
it's not that's literal cope for people who find proven reality inconvenient. You were wrong about covid and most of the shit you believe happened was the narrative of people whose agenda was pandering to idiots who found the reality inconvenient and wanted to instead deny it.
There is no faith on the part of those "believing in science", there is no blind trust. You can google their shit. It's there to read.
You were just wrong about it but that fact is inconvenient.
>is antithetical to the actual scientific method
The same method the scientific community uses to get to their results?
Yes because there's a distinction between the work in the community and results it finds and the application of those findings in broader society. If we're being really nitpicky then there's a long history of people acting maliciously and fraudulently either to earn more money, retain standing or to ruin rivals. The scientific method is an ideal, not quite a reality.
Again, the entire point of research is to investigate and verify. Stymieing investigation with 'tthe experts have decided' achieves nothing and is dogmatic in the extreme - a social mechanism using the academic community as casus belli.
I can't imagine that even you would deny the most passionate about these politicized topics are not those who are highly educated. Research is used to found rhetoric, which as that anon initially suggested, is not unlike religious dogma.
The fact that you cannot separate the two and see criticism of how people use findings as an attack on the very notion of conducting research in general is indicative of your own idiocy and similarity to the angry idiots.
So what's the point? Why care about any scientific findings in the first place if you're gonna be this skeptical?
Do you expect everybody to become an amateur scientist in every field now so they can verify results?
I expect people to have strong opinions on things that they actually understand. Instead people form extremely strong opinions based on political marketing. If I had a magic wand and could alter the education system in a flash I'd introduce basic statistics as a core subject, absolutely, it's the bare minimum requirement for interacting with research. But then I'd also include basic law and finance in curriculum as well
>there is no situation where a constantly shifting stance on anything is useful for governing behavior
And so we come to the crux of it. That governance and media distribution have different mechanisms and goals than research - many of which could be seen as oppositional. That's my point.
Conflating the two advantages politics and detracts from research.
>too many morons
Agreed, but also not my problem.
Please don't respond to me if you're moronic. If your take away from that post was me criticising the method then I'll be the first to tell you anon - you're moronic.
>Please don't respond to me if you're moronic. If your take away from that post was me criticising the method then I'll be the first to tell you anon - you're moronic.
You're the one who didn't understand me, you said the "method is an ideal and not quite a reality" when you can see the practical results of it succeeding in everyday life.
No I understood, you're moronic. "the method' is an ideal because it cannot be implemented in its purest form. There will always be bias and nepotism among other disruptive factors. You can't deny that, it's very well documented and has flared up all across the history its use. The method itself is sound and looking to it as an ideal produces results, yes. You know, like in all my other posts where my qualms have been with the interpretation and misuse of findings rather than that any research had been conducted in the first place?
Fraud and politics are rife in the community and so is dogmatic loyalty to certain schools of thought or economic interests shaping future research and interpretations. I'd love to see you deny it. At the same time that these statements are true has no bearing on the Method itself or its efficacy - which is why I called it an ideal rather than something like a delusion, anon.
Also conflating technology with science is moron shit given that plenty of technology was developed before the method was formalised, unless you would go so far as generalising any organised logical thought as being scientific - up to you.
But what are you gonna do? Humans are prone to corruption, and so every system involving us it bound to have shortcomings in some way. But the fact that it still worked out the way it did is incredible.
>Also conflating technology with science is moron shit given that plenty of technology was developed before the method was formalised, unless you would go so far as generalising any organised logical thought as being scientific
Yes, I would absolutely say that. Logic is a science quite in fact.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_academic_fields#Formal_sciences
I know they are. I'm not specifically criticising that. It was an aside. Again, I've been nothing but supportive of the method.
>yes I would say that
Well if we're working on that proviso I'd agree. Personally I wouldn't define it that way and neither do several others. Broad or stringent however, the definition makes no difference I'm not attacking """science""" bruv. It's not a matter of what I'm 'gunna do' but simply 'how things are'. Mentioning it shouldn't get your hackles up. If anything, being aware of the flaws in the community is an integral part of keeping it as close to the method as it can be.
Skepticism is literally essential.
Also fields being 'a science' does not make the partaking of them inherently scientific. Medicine existed in some form before the formalised method, first as practice later as an organised field. That doesn't make it INHERENTLY scientific - again, unless you globalise the definition to the point where it loses meaning.
Science is literally just a systematic study to understand reality. That's the official meaning. Other than that I think I agree with you and I'm going to sleep.
But you can literally see that the scientific method worked, the fact that satellites, cars and others exist is proof of that.
there is no situation where a constantly shifting stance on anything is useful for governing behavior. A fricking kindergarten teacher could tell you that. If "they" wanted to govern behavior, they would've picked a single solution early on and stuck with it, not changed the answer every other week.
And moreover, using nebulous "science" as a method of societal control demonstrably does not work. There are just straight up too many morons going "feels over reals" for it to be effective.
Thanks for confirming the former, Hiro enjoys your patronage.
Buddy that fact that you're unaware of atomic clocks at different altitudes and speeds doesn't make other people pseuds. Dilation is one of the more easily proven concepts at least timewise. If you want real noodle scratches how about the fact that space compresses as well, so not only does time slow relative to gravity and speed but also space itself contracts so that you're crossing a smaller distance
Does this paper work for you?
He ignored that one because it's inconvenient. He doesn't intend to read anything. Sagan's video was intended for middle school children and it went over his head. He's not going to read an actual scientific paper on the topic. So he picked the one which didn't load and pretended the other didn't exist.
This is what happens when you idiots take /misc/ seriously.
Frick it, flat earth time
the age of giants will return
This one is my favorite theory lol
Can I get a quick run down on YAH-YAH, what’s going on there
How do planes not take a billion years to go from Japan to the US
how come we never see anubis huh uh?
They put Emperor Zurg in the Lightyear movie? I thought they were going for a realistic "true story" version of Buzz Lightyear. Star Command is supposed to have aliens and shit.
>Zurg's future buzz
Kinda stupid honestly
No. This thread is shit and deserves to be pruned because OP is a fricking moron who can't handle the most basic of basics of science. It doesn't deserve to get any replied much less 200+ humoring the fricktard.
Bill Noy the Science Goy is an icon.
>time dilation os
A time dilation operating system? Is it on a cell phone? Wasn't there an anime about that?