they could have the moat lava imported from a nearby volcano
speaking of which, why didnt sauron harden the lava of mordor by dumping buckets of cold water on it?
>have a giant octopus monster guarding a remote, secret backdoor to Moria that hasn't been used in many years (what did it eat?) >have Sauron's most critical area conpletely unguarded
What did Tolkien mean by this?
Also the ring stops pretty much anyone from actually throwing it into the lava. Frodo would have escaped right into the hands of the Nazgul if it wasn't for Gollum jumping on him and knocking them over the edge.
>Sam could have done it
Sam couldn't have done it because Gollum wouldn't have shown him the way. The most important action is Frodo's pity of Gollum. Gandalf was actually a student of the embodiment of Pity, Nienna, before coming to Middle Earth
>What a pity Bilbo did not stab the vile creature, when he had a chance! >Pity? It was pity that stayed his hand. Pity, and mercy: not to strike without need. >I do not feel any pity for Gollum. He deserves death. >Deserves death! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give that to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends.
Basically pity enables a better future, for if Frodo didn't pity Gollum he never would have made it to Mount Doom. Sam, although wise and pure, would not have ever pitied Gollum and would have killed him.
This and he would have pushed Frodo if necessary. The Ring was a big enough deal that God decided he would have to intervene as long as someone got the ring back inside Mt. Doom.
Wtf would make him think that? Some lil midge is constantly putting it on all along a path leading right to his door and he thinks some other guy has it now?
The Palantir you idiot, Aragorn phoned Sauron and told him I HAVE YOUR RING, FITE ME FGT! for the express purpose of distracting him from Frodo's mission
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah its been a while since ive seen it, sauron is a big dummy
>Some lil midge is constantly putting it on all along a path leading right to his door
Frodo only puts on the ring a couple times, and never close to Mordor (until he's actually inside Mount Doom, that is)
Look at it from Sauron's perspective. The guy who threatened him directly through the Palantir is also the descendant of Ilsildur who took the Ring from him and heir to the throne of Gondor. What kind of king wouldn't want the power of the Ring? And now this dude has taken his badly diminished army to pick a fight with Mordor and it's endless hordes of orcs. Either he's insane or has the arrogance only someone bearing the Ring of Power could possess. Sauron couldn't even conceive that Aragorn might not have the Ring and that the battle at the Black Gate would be anything other than his final victory.
Yeah, it's kind of a letdown but if you really pay attention to Tolkien's writings you realize that Sauron kept getting his ass kicked over and over again through the ages. It's just that by the time of The Lord of the Rings, both the elves and the men in Middle Earth had diminished a lot so even dumbass Sauron whose ass had already gotten kicked like 5 different times already over the ages was a big threat to them.
It also excuses the Elves’ behavior a bit otherwise they seem absolutely insane to the extent to which they don’t really care about Middle Earth anymore or its problems and will happily just leave the place
Sauron couldn't summon just one more balrog to come guard his forge? Like, "just come hang out, it's really hot and boring, nothing will ever bother you there."
The Balrog would probably be strong enough to resist Sauron's will and use the ring's power against him. Eventually the ring would corrupt the Balrog, but then Sauron has to wait for his respawn cooldown to expire.
Sauron with the ring probably could subdue one, but without it, the balrog would just be another saruman and betray him the moment the ring was in it's sight and not on sauron's finger.
I still dont get the story this homie tells fighting the balrog, he falls into a cave, then ends up on top of a mountain? Then hes in a field with a white horse? Wtf happened?
Sauron with the ring probably could subdue one, but without it, the balrog would just be another saruman and betray him the moment the ring was in it's sight and not on sauron's finger.
I dont get it, so he can turn invisible what makes that so powerful?
They fell to the depths of Moria, there was a staircase at the bottom where they fell and fought their way up to one of the towers on the peaks of the mountain where at last Gandalf threw down his enemy and smote his ruin upon the mountainside.
The staircase didn't go down that far, Gandalf spent a lot of time chasing the balrog through winding tunnels made by nameless things before they got to the base of the stair.
Otherwise yes
i wouldn't put anything there, there's no way anyone could get past my overwhelming defenses so i would just leave it open so i have easy access into my volcano lair
whatever tolkien wouldve put there you people wouldve said: >JUST ONE balrog? i get that theyre tough, but hes gotta sleep or piss some time. what the hell is that? >JUST ONE platoon of orcs, its only a couple dozen guys, a few trained sappers could knock off the ones directly in their path and then sneak passed the rest.
it was surround by an ocean of orcs, led by nine nazghul, it had guard posts and watchtowers and patrols. it wasnt some strategic defense point, it was just a big mountain in territory they already firmly controlled. it never occurred to sauron that anyone would want to destroy the ring, that its destructive power it offered could be resisted.
tl;dr
go back to nu-trek and get turned into a racism fighting troony
the only thing silly there is Mordor's 90 degree angle mountain range borders and a Tolkien letter suggested that Morgoth made that piece of landscape personally as a potential backup fortress, of which he had several.
I think it’s the ents complaining about the old forests being cut down and Fangorn being one of the last remnants of it but this is all pretty wooded and isn’t Middle Earth seemingly very sparsely populated anyway?
Like Eriador seems the least forested here but it just seems to be the Shire, Bree and maybe a couple of settlements, Rivendell and the Haven, and the rangers
maybe some primitive Dunlanding types in the south
Same with the area between Mirkwood and the mountains
Isn’t that just Beornings and a pretty dangerous place anyway?
yes, huge swaths of Middle-Earth are empty, but a lot of it was populated at one time and fell into ruin. Like the area north and northeast of the Shire, used to be a bunch of kingdoms of Men and Aragorn's plan in the Fourth Age was to repopulate them
put 8/9 Nazghul that the movies forgot about after Fellowship in the doorway. The hobbits couldn't handle 1 of those frickers when well rested. They would have no problem with barely standing hobbits.
A fricking door is bare minimum. A fricking door, locked at all times to keep the orcs from falling into the lava like morons or throwing their rivals in there a million times a day.
Sauron was by that point strong enough to defeat them all eventually without the ring. Throwing the ring away doesn't do much. Only by destroying the ring in Mt. Doom could they defeat him.
Almost every single "why didn't they x or y" is covered in the book's version of The Council of Elrond but adapting it word for word would've made the scene like 40 minutes.
>take over the world just to give your god/dad the middle finger and create dragons and orcs and vampires and shit >befriend an actual chaos void creature from outside reality >killed the best mortal warrior on the planet by crushing his neck with your foot, kang style >consistently crash the party and break the artificial sun of the world, also steal the most beautiful israeliteels on the planet for the luls >all anybody remembers you for is making shitty looking mountain ranges
I'd have also liked to see it, but I understand why they cut it. It wouldn't really work in a theatrical trilogy where the final act is coming down from a high like Sauron's defeat and reaching a "happy ending". Peter would have to sacrifice that for something like another 45 minute long segment retaking the shire and ending on sort of a sour note. They were already attacking him for how long the movies already were. It works better for a book that can draw it out.
I'd have also liked to see it, but I understand why they cut it. It wouldn't really work in a theatrical trilogy where the final act is coming down from a high like Sauron's defeat and reaching a "happy ending". Peter would have to sacrifice that for something like another 45 minute long segment retaking the shire and ending on sort of a sour note. They were already attacking him for how long the movies already were. It works better for a book that can draw it out.
Saruman using his influence over the dumb, corrupt men who sparsely populate the southern parts of Eriador to take over the Shire for no other reason than petty vengeance on the hobbits who were only involved by happenstance is like if Hitler survived in Argentina and was rejuvenated with Nazi mad science, and then he just went around bullying israeli kids
Sauron has Nûrn, Saruman probably felt the need to control some agriculturally rich area himself to support his ambitions and had eyes on it regardless.
No he knew he was fricked and openly stated that he only did what he did in the Shire specifically because it was evil and would ruin the hobbits' lives. It's not like he thought the new king was going to leave him be if he claimed some sort of realm, and if he did he probably wouldn't choose one that's rightfully within the realm of Arnor
>And far away, as Frodo put on the Ring and claimed it for his own, even in Sammath Naur the very heart of his realm, the Power in Barad-dûr was shaken, and the Tower trembled from its foundations to its proud and bitter crown. The Dark Lord was suddenly aware of him, and his Eye piercing all shadows looked across the plain to the door that he had made; and the magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a blinding flash, and all the devices of his enemies were at last laid bare. Then his wrath blazed in consuming flame, but his fear rose like a vast black smoke to choke him. For he knew his deadly peril and the thread upon which his doom now hung.
I like LOTR, they're among my favorite movies, but the lore to the series is incredibly fricking dumb. I don't even view it literally, I view it all as metaphorical really
>I don't even view it literally, I view it all as metaphorical really
which is why I don't really like The Silmarillion, it explains literally everything and there's no mystery
The Silmarillion is essentially the religious text of the Elven race. It does not necessarily tell everything
For instance the origin of mankind isn’t touched upon. One could assume that that the Adam and Eve story happened out East separate from what’s going on. I’ve always thought that and that as a result the Angels in biblical works are different entities than the Valar, who are essentially the shepherds of the Elves
I like lord of the rings, I do, but I quibble with it. The Shire's tax policy is literally never explained, how am I supposed to take this seriously as a believable kingdom?
I know you’re being ironic or whatever but I always wonder how the Shire can afford such an advanced social development that seems to have when it’s just a bunch of farmers and seemingly doesn’t trade with anyone outside of maybe Bree (and the book makes it seem as though they’re very isolated from one another)
I mean it has a whole advanced postal system for one, road infrastructure, the rich have access to plenty of luxuries, it’s an idyllic agrarian society but it’s in an almost early modern level of development that doesn’t seem to make sense
I like LOTR, they're among my favorite movies, but the lore to the series is incredibly fricking dumb. I don't even view it literally, I view it all as metaphorical really
In reality brigands would take over Hobbiton and have a hobbit harem in like 30 seconds
But it's a cartoon and The Shire is meant to represent man's desire to return to nature and a simple life without the corrupting aspects of men like Money and Power and Society
>In reality brigands would take over Hobbiton and have a hobbit harem in like 30 seconds
What do you think The Ranger's do bro? The Shire exists because the Dunedain take their job so seriously they're providing defense for Anror thousands of years since it collapsed in the 3 kingdoms and shit itself to death.
That’s different
They literally have the rangers guarding their borders and have for generations. Not just because of the ring but because they’re seemingly the last population center left in Arnor
The Dunedain rangers left to join Aragorn and look Saruman then directs brigands to invade
>The Shire is safe because.. Rangers protect it.. because they swore an Oath!
Like I said the lore is dumb
That’s different
They literally have the rangers guarding their borders and have for generations. Not just because of the ring but because they’re seemingly the last population center left in Arnor
The Dunedain rangers left to join Aragorn and look Saruman then directs brigands to invade
>In reality brigands would take over Hobbiton and have a hobbit harem in like 30 seconds
the Rangers protect that whole area, the people of Bree and The Shire don't realize that, though, and just assume their part of the world is completely safe
>I mean it has a whole advanced postal system for one, road infrastructure, the rich have access to plenty of luxuries, it’s an idyllic agrarian society but it’s in an almost early modern level of development that doesn’t seem to make sense
The Shire is JRR Tolkien's childhood in the late 19th century specifically, which makes it kinda dumb that he rails against the industrial revolution while the hobbits have access to most of its early fruits just like he did. Tolkien's idealized view of the pre-industrial past is my biggest problem with the work, thematically. In reality that countryside idyll he remembered was full of its own evils, he just wasn't old enough to see its evils before it was gone and replaced by the 20th century that he despised.
>In reality that countryside idyll he remembered was full of its own evils
what evils? god forbid people just want to have simple lives
Wife-beating and just about any other kind of abuse being quietly ignored, people dying in their homes simply because real medical care didn't exist within a day's carriage ride, a life of utter poverty and deprivation for everyone who wasn't at least a little rich like Tolkien's family.
ps have sex
Sounds like you're strainin' to do some explainin', anon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Wife beating and abuse is a thing of the past >No one dies in poverty anymore
We get it, you fricking love science
>bad things happened in the past too so the past is le bad
please for the love of god I'm begging you to have sex, this isn't healthy, just HAVE SEX, PLEASE.
2 years ago
Anonymous
god you're boring
2 years ago
Anonymous
Almost as boring as the moronic basement dwelling idiots -who couldn't live a day without a computer- who come out of the wordwork to express their butthurt if you ever suggest that anything at all about the past was in any way shape or form inferior to life today. In reality, people have problems they find imperfect solutions and deal with the problems those imperfect solutions cause until they find a new imperfect solution for that and it goes on like that forever.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>if you ever suggest that anything at all about the past was in any way shape or form inferior to life today
nobody said that, moron. Who are you quoting?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm quoting me and I'll say it again, b***h. You wouldn't make it two days in the pre-industrial past. Now take your pills.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>schizo debating his own mind
very sad, sounds like you're the one who needs meds
We drove out the Orcs from the Great Gate and guardroom and took the First Hall. We slew many in the bright sun in the dale. Flói was killed by an arrow. He slew the great chieftain. We buried…Flói under grass near Mirrormere…came…ken we repaired…We have taken the Twenty-first Hall of North End to dwell in. There is good air…that can easily be watched…the shaft is clear…Balin has set up his seat in the Chamber of Mazarbul…gathered…gold…wonderful lay Durin’s Axe and…silver helm. Balin has taken them for his own. Balin is now lord of Moria:…today we found truesilver…well-forged helm…made all of purest mithril…Óin to seek for the upper armories of the Third Deep…go westwards to s…to Hollin Gate.
…years since…ready sorrow…yesterday being the tenth of November Balin, lord of Moria, fell in Dimrill Dale. He went alone to look in Mirrormere. An Orc shot him from behind a stone. We slew the orc, but many more came…up from east up the Silverlode…we rescued Balin’s body..after a sharp battle…we have barred the gates but doubt if…we can hold them long. If there is…no escape it will be a horrible fate to suffer, but I shall hold.
We cannot get out. We cannot get out. They have taken the bridge and Second Hall. Frár and Lóni and Náli fell there bravely while the rest retreated to the Chamber of…Mazarbul. We are still ho{ldin}g...but hope …Óin's party went five days ago but today only four returned. The pool is up to the wall at West-gate. The Watcher in the Water took Óin--we cannot get out. The end comes soon. We hear drums, drums in the deep. They are coming.
Lava moat. That way you don't have to feed it.
Ofc, something could just fly over...
Like a giant bird or something
Sadly I know of no such creature. If it existed it would surely make the entire story redundant.
if you dumbasses talk about the eagles one more time i'm turning the Cinemaphile servers off for good
I knew you didn't love us, Hiro! You're not our real dad!
Even Hotel California?
>Cinemaphile is Hotel California
wow... so that's where rule 1 comes from...
y fello ship no use eagle?
>NOOOOOO HES GOINNG TO TURN OFF THE SERV -ACK!
You'd be doing us a favor
>if you dumbasses talk about the eagles one more time i'm turning the Cinemaphile servers off for good
they just had to fly over it and drop it in.
>Lava moat
They could just throw it in the moat and the ring would be destroyed.
I don't think you understand what is happening here...
they could have the moat lava imported from a nearby volcano
speaking of which, why didnt sauron harden the lava of mordor by dumping buckets of cold water on it?
>bats
>nazgul
>other shit
>That way you don't have to feed it.
Formerly frick it
I don't know man I wouldn't want a warg pissing and shitting all over the entrance to my private volcano sanctuary.
How about a locked door?
He could just climb to the summit and drop it from there
>have a giant octopus monster guarding a remote, secret backdoor to Moria that hasn't been used in many years (what did it eat?)
>have Sauron's most critical area conpletely unguarded
What did Tolkien mean by this?
Sauron was literally incapable of conceiving that someone would actually want to destroy the ring instead of using it for gaining power
All the more reason to have a calamari bodyguard, just to be safe
Also the ring stops pretty much anyone from actually throwing it into the lava. Frodo would have escaped right into the hands of the Nazgul if it wasn't for Gollum jumping on him and knocking them over the edge.
Sam could have done it. In fact I think he would have murdered Frodo and saved middle earth to do so.
Sam had the most chad ending of all the characters. Like Tolkien went all out giving him the most perfect ending possible.
That’s because Sam is the real hero of the story.
>marry a qt3.14
>become mayor
>have a bakers dozen of lil children
>sail into the undying lands
Oh, yeah. I'm thinkin based
>Sam could have done it
Sam couldn't have done it because Gollum wouldn't have shown him the way. The most important action is Frodo's pity of Gollum. Gandalf was actually a student of the embodiment of Pity, Nienna, before coming to Middle Earth
>What a pity Bilbo did not stab the vile creature, when he had a chance!
>Pity? It was pity that stayed his hand. Pity, and mercy: not to strike without need.
>I do not feel any pity for Gollum. He deserves death.
>Deserves death! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give that to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends.
Basically pity enables a better future, for if Frodo didn't pity Gollum he never would have made it to Mount Doom. Sam, although wise and pure, would not have ever pitied Gollum and would have killed him.
God himself pushed Gollum too
This and he would have pushed Frodo if necessary. The Ring was a big enough deal that God decided he would have to intervene as long as someone got the ring back inside Mt. Doom.
wtf did he think they were doing in mordor then?
He thought Aragorn had the ring.
Wtf would make him think that? Some lil midge is constantly putting it on all along a path leading right to his door and he thinks some other guy has it now?
The Palantir you idiot, Aragorn phoned Sauron and told him I HAVE YOUR RING, FITE ME FGT! for the express purpose of distracting him from Frodo's mission
Yeah its been a while since ive seen it, sauron is a big dummy
>Some lil midge is constantly putting it on all along a path leading right to his door
Frodo only puts on the ring a couple times, and never close to Mordor (until he's actually inside Mount Doom, that is)
Look at it from Sauron's perspective. The guy who threatened him directly through the Palantir is also the descendant of Ilsildur who took the Ring from him and heir to the throne of Gondor. What kind of king wouldn't want the power of the Ring? And now this dude has taken his badly diminished army to pick a fight with Mordor and it's endless hordes of orcs. Either he's insane or has the arrogance only someone bearing the Ring of Power could possess. Sauron couldn't even conceive that Aragorn might not have the Ring and that the battle at the Black Gate would be anything other than his final victory.
He didn't know they were in there. Just like you don't know about all the spiders that crawl through your walls, fren
Yeah, it's kind of a letdown but if you really pay attention to Tolkien's writings you realize that Sauron kept getting his ass kicked over and over again through the ages. It's just that by the time of The Lord of the Rings, both the elves and the men in Middle Earth had diminished a lot so even dumbass Sauron whose ass had already gotten kicked like 5 different times already over the ages was a big threat to them.
It also excuses the Elves’ behavior a bit otherwise they seem absolutely insane to the extent to which they don’t really care about Middle Earth anymore or its problems and will happily just leave the place
And he was right
I mean, didn't that literally happen? Then ring wasn't tossed it was just luck that it fell
Seemed like more of a lurking thing that just lived in the lake. Probably made off pretty well eating travelers trying to enter the mountain.
it was also an ancient being of unknown origin, it may not have to eat anything
This. The thing was one of the 'unspeakables' that Gandalf saw while chasing the Balrog through the deep depths of the earth.
Snakes! Why didn't it have to be snakes?
Sauron couldn't summon just one more balrog to come guard his forge? Like, "just come hang out, it's really hot and boring, nothing will ever bother you there."
I thought the balrog came from the depths
Weren't they all gone by the third age?
The balrog would claim the ring for itself and cuck sauron.
wait, sauron seriously couldn't beat a balrog? and the ring wouldn't corrupt it into being his servant? what the hell
Balrog with the ring would outclass him.
The Balrog would probably be strong enough to resist Sauron's will and use the ring's power against him. Eventually the ring would corrupt the Balrog, but then Sauron has to wait for his respawn cooldown to expire.
Sauron with the ring probably could subdue one, but without it, the balrog would just be another saruman and betray him the moment the ring was in it's sight and not on sauron's finger.
Sauron and the Balrog are both Maiar.
Yea but if Gandalf can defeat one, and is too afraid to use the ring, you'd think Sauron wouldn't have a problem
>Yea but if Gandalf can defeat one
Gandalf also died fighting the Balrog. He just got lucky God decided to send him back to Middle-Earth.
Literal macguffin
Gandalf is Jesus you dolt
balrog(s)>ungoliant>morgoth>sauron
I still dont get the story this homie tells fighting the balrog, he falls into a cave, then ends up on top of a mountain? Then hes in a field with a white horse? Wtf happened?
I dont get it, so he can turn invisible what makes that so powerful?
They fell to the depths of Moria, there was a staircase at the bottom where they fell and fought their way up to one of the towers on the peaks of the mountain where at last Gandalf threw down his enemy and smote his ruin upon the mountainside.
The staircase didn't go down that far, Gandalf spent a lot of time chasing the balrog through winding tunnels made by nameless things before they got to the base of the stair.
Otherwise yes
Balrogs could frick Sauron up.
i wouldn't put anything there, there's no way anyone could get past my overwhelming defenses so i would just leave it open so i have easy access into my volcano lair
Wasn't Sauron a ghost or some shit? Why would he be strolling through Mordor?
i'm not sauron
Wow what a loser
this you don't want to be slowed down by things in your way when you need emergency access to your volcano lair platform
whatever tolkien wouldve put there you people wouldve said:
>JUST ONE balrog? i get that theyre tough, but hes gotta sleep or piss some time. what the hell is that?
>JUST ONE platoon of orcs, its only a couple dozen guys, a few trained sappers could knock off the ones directly in their path and then sneak passed the rest.
it was surround by an ocean of orcs, led by nine nazghul, it had guard posts and watchtowers and patrols. it wasnt some strategic defense point, it was just a big mountain in territory they already firmly controlled. it never occurred to sauron that anyone would want to destroy the ring, that its destructive power it offered could be resisted.
tl;dr
go back to nu-trek and get turned into a racism fighting troony
I mean at least put a door in there. Something with a lock. Theres no reason for anyone to be inside the mountain, lock that shit up
He actually tried to put a door there but the council knocked him back due to potential c02 build up.
And yet the ring still got destroyed so ig his plan was shit
I'll not have anybody slander the last hour of Return of the King. Cinematic perfection.
It's the worst hour of the trilogy.
Why didn't the elves take the ring to be destroyed by a Valar?
Tolkien has NO plotholes at ALL
that's a big map
For you.
Frick I love Tolkien and Middle Earth so much bros.
Could a noname aspiring author get away with conveniently placed natural borders on the map?
the only thing silly there is Mordor's 90 degree angle mountain range borders and a Tolkien letter suggested that Morgoth made that piece of landscape personally as a potential backup fortress, of which he had several.
Lampshade hanging.
the mountains has always reminded me of bohemia or the old hungarian borders
pretty sure the whole point is that melkor and made the mountains
the mountains surrounding Mordor were made by unnatural means, that's why they look like that
Child abuser David Eddings did.
I think it’s the ents complaining about the old forests being cut down and Fangorn being one of the last remnants of it but this is all pretty wooded and isn’t Middle Earth seemingly very sparsely populated anyway?
Like Eriador seems the least forested here but it just seems to be the Shire, Bree and maybe a couple of settlements, Rivendell and the Haven, and the rangers
maybe some primitive Dunlanding types in the south
Same with the area between Mirkwood and the mountains
Isn’t that just Beornings and a pretty dangerous place anyway?
yes, huge swaths of Middle-Earth are empty, but a lot of it was populated at one time and fell into ruin. Like the area north and northeast of the Shire, used to be a bunch of kingdoms of Men and Aragorn's plan in the Fourth Age was to repopulate them
put 8/9 Nazghul that the movies forgot about after Fellowship in the doorway. The hobbits couldn't handle 1 of those frickers when well rested. They would have no problem with barely standing hobbits.
>bare minimum
A fricking door is bare minimum. A fricking door, locked at all times to keep the orcs from falling into the lava like morons or throwing their rivals in there a million times a day.
>t. Sauron
Mordor was in deep debt and inflation so a guard wasn't in the federal budget.
>guard lets Frodo in
It's a documentary, really.
Why didn't Sauron hire the Swiss guard?
I am no m-ACK!
I like how changing the story to where sam and frodo were taken all the way to osgiliath even looks dumb on the map.
Why couldnt they have just sailed out west and dropped the ring in the ocean?
Evil fish
Unironically
Sauron was by that point strong enough to defeat them all eventually without the ring. Throwing the ring away doesn't do much. Only by destroying the ring in Mt. Doom could they defeat him.
Almost every single "why didn't they x or y" is covered in the book's version of The Council of Elrond but adapting it word for word would've made the scene like 40 minutes.
Wargs have enough intelligence to speak, chaining one up like that would be needlessly cruel
So yeah, Sauron definitely would have done that
t.Slartybartfast. Winner of the fiddly bits fjords award.
how did the elves from Rivendell get to Helm's Deep before the Uruk-hai from Isengard?
sorry, from Lothlorien, but still that's a long way
>take over the world just to give your god/dad the middle finger and create dragons and orcs and vampires and shit
>befriend an actual chaos void creature from outside reality
>killed the best mortal warrior on the planet by crushing his neck with your foot, kang style
>consistently crash the party and break the artificial sun of the world, also steal the most beautiful israeliteels on the planet for the luls
>all anybody remembers you for is making shitty looking mountain ranges
>NOOOOO UNGOLIANT STOP ATTACKING ME AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH SAVE ME BALROGS
>Spidergays still seething in current age
Where's your silmarils frickboy
Is the Silmarillion worth reading?
I think it makes Lotr better but it's really dense and autistic
if you like lots and lots of lore, yes
it's pretty dry compared to LOTR
the gollum movie would start the gamer uprising for sure.
With all the shit they cut out I'm sure they could've done something like this. I really wished they left in the scouring of the shire
I'd have also liked to see it, but I understand why they cut it. It wouldn't really work in a theatrical trilogy where the final act is coming down from a high like Sauron's defeat and reaching a "happy ending". Peter would have to sacrifice that for something like another 45 minute long segment retaking the shire and ending on sort of a sour note. They were already attacking him for how long the movies already were. It works better for a book that can draw it out.
Saruman using his influence over the dumb, corrupt men who sparsely populate the southern parts of Eriador to take over the Shire for no other reason than petty vengeance on the hobbits who were only involved by happenstance is like if Hitler survived in Argentina and was rejuvenated with Nazi mad science, and then he just went around bullying israeli kids
Sauron has Nûrn, Saruman probably felt the need to control some agriculturally rich area himself to support his ambitions and had eyes on it regardless.
No he knew he was fricked and openly stated that he only did what he did in the Shire specifically because it was evil and would ruin the hobbits' lives. It's not like he thought the new king was going to leave him be if he claimed some sort of realm, and if he did he probably wouldn't choose one that's rightfully within the realm of Arnor
sauronman had already been expelled from his tower and was basically a hobo by that point. his sole motivation was to be a dick
>If LOTR was made today:
>white people
I doubt it.
>Bombadil 2: Civil War
would pay to see bombadil 2 civil war 2bh
>And far away, as Frodo put on the Ring and claimed it for his own, even in Sammath Naur the very heart of his realm, the Power in Barad-dûr was shaken, and the Tower trembled from its foundations to its proud and bitter crown. The Dark Lord was suddenly aware of him, and his Eye piercing all shadows looked across the plain to the door that he had made; and the magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a blinding flash, and all the devices of his enemies were at last laid bare. Then his wrath blazed in consuming flame, but his fear rose like a vast black smoke to choke him. For he knew his deadly peril and the thread upon which his doom now hung.
>to the door that he had made
Uhh, Tolkien?
Pure, unadulterated kino
>GRRM thinks he's on the same level as this
someone post the diarrhea paragraph
Bet he felt like a real moron here
He didn’t even need the ring and he’d still have won through attrition
I like LOTR, they're among my favorite movies, but the lore to the series is incredibly fricking dumb. I don't even view it literally, I view it all as metaphorical really
>I don't even view it literally, I view it all as metaphorical really
which is why I don't really like The Silmarillion, it explains literally everything and there's no mystery
The Silmarillion is essentially the religious text of the Elven race. It does not necessarily tell everything
For instance the origin of mankind isn’t touched upon. One could assume that that the Adam and Eve story happened out East separate from what’s going on. I’ve always thought that and that as a result the Angels in biblical works are different entities than the Valar, who are essentially the shepherds of the Elves
>Why don't women like LOTR?
I like lord of the rings, I do, but I quibble with it. The Shire's tax policy is literally never explained, how am I supposed to take this seriously as a believable kingdom?
I know you’re being ironic or whatever but I always wonder how the Shire can afford such an advanced social development that seems to have when it’s just a bunch of farmers and seemingly doesn’t trade with anyone outside of maybe Bree (and the book makes it seem as though they’re very isolated from one another)
I mean it has a whole advanced postal system for one, road infrastructure, the rich have access to plenty of luxuries, it’s an idyllic agrarian society but it’s in an almost early modern level of development that doesn’t seem to make sense
well this just goes to my post
In reality brigands would take over Hobbiton and have a hobbit harem in like 30 seconds
But it's a cartoon and The Shire is meant to represent man's desire to return to nature and a simple life without the corrupting aspects of men like Money and Power and Society
>In reality brigands would take over Hobbiton and have a hobbit harem in like 30 seconds
What do you think The Ranger's do bro? The Shire exists because the Dunedain take their job so seriously they're providing defense for Anror thousands of years since it collapsed in the 3 kingdoms and shit itself to death.
>The Shire is safe because.. Rangers protect it.. because they swore an Oath!
Like I said the lore is dumb
Oaths are a pretty big deal in lotr
That’s different
They literally have the rangers guarding their borders and have for generations. Not just because of the ring but because they’re seemingly the last population center left in Arnor
The Dunedain rangers left to join Aragorn and look Saruman then directs brigands to invade
>In reality brigands would take over Hobbiton and have a hobbit harem in like 30 seconds
the Rangers protect that whole area, the people of Bree and The Shire don't realize that, though, and just assume their part of the world is completely safe
>I mean it has a whole advanced postal system for one, road infrastructure, the rich have access to plenty of luxuries, it’s an idyllic agrarian society but it’s in an almost early modern level of development that doesn’t seem to make sense
The Shire is JRR Tolkien's childhood in the late 19th century specifically, which makes it kinda dumb that he rails against the industrial revolution while the hobbits have access to most of its early fruits just like he did. Tolkien's idealized view of the pre-industrial past is my biggest problem with the work, thematically. In reality that countryside idyll he remembered was full of its own evils, he just wasn't old enough to see its evils before it was gone and replaced by the 20th century that he despised.
>that countryside idyll he remembered was full of its own evils,
Such as?
Wife-beating and just about any other kind of abuse being quietly ignored, people dying in their homes simply because real medical care didn't exist within a day's carriage ride, a life of utter poverty and deprivation for everyone who wasn't at least a little rich like Tolkien's family.
ps have sex
Sounds like you're strainin' to do some explainin', anon.
please for the love of god I'm begging you to have sex, this isn't healthy, just HAVE SEX, PLEASE.
god you're boring
Almost as boring as the moronic basement dwelling idiots -who couldn't live a day without a computer- who come out of the wordwork to express their butthurt if you ever suggest that anything at all about the past was in any way shape or form inferior to life today. In reality, people have problems they find imperfect solutions and deal with the problems those imperfect solutions cause until they find a new imperfect solution for that and it goes on like that forever.
>if you ever suggest that anything at all about the past was in any way shape or form inferior to life today
nobody said that, moron. Who are you quoting?
I'm quoting me and I'll say it again, b***h. You wouldn't make it two days in the pre-industrial past. Now take your pills.
>schizo debating his own mind
very sad, sounds like you're the one who needs meds
>Wife beating and abuse is a thing of the past
>No one dies in poverty anymore
We get it, you fricking love science
>bad things happened in the past too so the past is le bad
Always figured his anti-industrial views stemmed from his experience of losing all his friends in WWI
>In reality that countryside idyll he remembered was full of its own evils
what evils? god forbid people just want to have simple lives
Nobody has the will to actually destroy the ring. It god destroyed by accident.
We drove out the Orcs from the Great Gate and guardroom and took the First Hall. We slew many in the bright sun in the dale. Flói was killed by an arrow. He slew the great chieftain. We buried…Flói under grass near Mirrormere…came…ken we repaired…We have taken the Twenty-first Hall of North End to dwell in. There is good air…that can easily be watched…the shaft is clear…Balin has set up his seat in the Chamber of Mazarbul…gathered…gold…wonderful lay Durin’s Axe and…silver helm. Balin has taken them for his own. Balin is now lord of Moria:…today we found truesilver…well-forged helm…made all of purest mithril…Óin to seek for the upper armories of the Third Deep…go westwards to s…to Hollin Gate.
…years since…ready sorrow…yesterday being the tenth of November Balin, lord of Moria, fell in Dimrill Dale. He went alone to look in Mirrormere. An Orc shot him from behind a stone. We slew the orc, but many more came…up from east up the Silverlode…we rescued Balin’s body..after a sharp battle…we have barred the gates but doubt if…we can hold them long. If there is…no escape it will be a horrible fate to suffer, but I shall hold.
We cannot get out. We cannot get out. They have taken the bridge and Second Hall. Frár and Lóni and Náli fell there bravely while the rest retreated to the Chamber of…Mazarbul. We are still ho{ldin}g...but hope …Óin's party went five days ago but today only four returned. The pool is up to the wall at West-gate. The Watcher in the Water took Óin--we cannot get out. The end comes soon. We hear drums, drums in the deep. They are coming.