technically those are velaryons from an island off valyria
obviously they werent written to look this way in the novels but at least they made the decision to say "these guys are black that's why theres black people" instead of pretending like there's black people everywhere in westeros
>instead of pretending like there's black people everywhere in westeros
But there is some in the background including some maesters or lordlings, plus Orwyle (who is a a Noble) is black. There's also an asian maid to Queen Aemma and some indian serving under Grand Maester Mellos
I've never read the books can any anons who have confirm black Targaryens are lore accurate? I assumed they were an entire blood line of pale platinum haired people
>Daenaera was but six years old, yet so beautiful she took the breath away. The blood of Old Valyria was strong in her, as is oft seen in the sons and daughters of the seahorse; her hair was silver laced with gold, her eyes as blue as a summer sea, her skin as smooth and pale as winter snow.
Fantasy and suspension of disbelief works when the story is grounded in some level of reality that's relatable. Inserting a completely different race that looks nothing like what's described in the books and has no basis in genealogy is disingenuous at best. You know exactly what their doing with the identity politics and it's not to create a better story. Bullshit argument.
It doesn't explicitly say the Velaryons are Nordic Aryans so its ok.
Right looks really odd though
The Velaryons have been heavily intermarrying with the Targaryens since before Aegon's conquest. Many are explicity described as having silver hair, pale skin and purple eyes. Velaryons and their bastards are noted for looking like known Targaryens such as Aurane Waters being explicitly mentioned as looking like Rhaegar with the only differences being a slightly narrower facial width and different coloured eyes.
The only reason people are trying to defend the Velaryon black situation is because they're liberals. They don't want to be racist or seem racist so they'll make shit up and lie to yourself. Corlys' appearance is described in the books. The show runners are just straight up retarded. They even gave Rhaenys silver hair when she had black hair due to her Baratheon ancestry which is a core part of the plot in GOT.
That fair, I don't have blinders on when it comes to its flaws. I just really think this is gunna be better. Showrunners have expressed the importance of staying book faithfull (that's why 28 characters are named aegon still) and they won't run out of source material this time. The pins have been lined up for this show to be a strike, they have to go out of their way to fuck it up.
>Showrunners have expressed the importance of staying book faithfull
I'm kinda autistic, is this sarcasm? >they won't run out of source material this time
They literally cut out the very obvious Reach politics subplot that begins before the war, Daeron, Dalton, Cregan's coup, Triarchy stuff and attempted coup in the Vale. Sure there's a lot of wiggle room when it comes to what gets how much screen time and how in depth each part is but they refused to even say Daeron's name.
>At all
They sure as fuck ain't going 100% of script like sure let's make Bran king. If they went 100% faithful to books, all suspense will be removed. Book readers favourite part of GOT was when they DIDNT know what was going to happen next. Artistic choices are a must. Maybe her presence was a mistake. Maybe it will set up some kino shit in season 2 that actually ties up unaswered book questions? All I'm saying is, I have more faith in this current team than I did in D&D. I might look the fool after season 2. I'm just staying optimistic.
>All I'm saying is, I have more faith in this current team than I did in D&D
My sweet summer child, they're worse.
this. I forgot if Daeron even happened in S01, but I doubt they're still gonna introduce him, right? A bit too late for that. Also, he is not too important of a character. Doesn't he die in Tumbleton with his dragon anyway?
Also, the whole Rhaenys crashing the coronation thing was so over the top. I guess they just wrote this for action purposes.
>Daeron >not too important of a character
Just kill me now. Daeron has probably the best arcs in the entire Dance. Season 1 should've had a Reach politics subplot which also included some time with Daeron. He's an obedient little saint. He wasn't raised to be a lord but a follower. A follower of the faith, a student of the Citadel and a future Knight just so he can be a follower of whoever Lord Hightower is. In the absence of his paternal figures, Ormund and Brynden, he begins self actualising, initially preventing his cousin Lyonel from leaving for battle on the accounts of following the orders of Ormund, and flying out to battle himself against the explicit orders of Ormund culminating in the Battle of the Honeywine where he's rewarded for his actions and is knighted. Season 3 starts off by showing him at his peak, he's untouchable and pampered by the leadership. He's the goody two shoes who refuses to even threaten Longtable, probably just sits out at camp eating apples, doesn't pay attention at the war council meetings with the likes of Unwin and rides his dragon for fun. His rose tinted perspective of war and honour is shattered by the second half of the season when his family suffers successive losses with the dissappearance of King Aegon, capture of Kings Landing, the story of Jaehaerys' death, troubling news of Aemond's actions and the death of Maelor, the straw that broke the camel's back. This is when he sees a glimpse of the Targaryen evil within him that Vaegon warned him about. He repents and prays in a sept he burnt in Bitterbridge, promising to do better with the power granted to him but is immediately left powerless when the Two Betrayers join his side and Ormund/Brynden die. With rumours of Aemond's death reaching camp, he falls into a depressive hole, signing the death warrants for Hugh and Ulf whom he couldn't control. He goes away to his tent, turns on a bath, takes some milk of the poppy after floats as the tent burns and collapses.
wow. did you make this up? it wasn't so detailed in the book.
or are you just autistic?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yh I'm probably autistic but getting diagnosed as an adult is cringe. I'm the loretist from the hotd threads.
Btw that's the plot I saw on first read. It's pretty obvious for me I guess. He's in Oldtown living with the Hightowers who are known for spending time in the Citadel. He's explicitly noted as being intelligent. >Prince Daeron, was the most popular of the queen’s sons, as clever as he was courteous, and most comely as well
I think it's good symbolism to have him earn 7 links and make a septagram necklace from them. Why not have some religious motifs carry along with the story? He does burn a sept in Bitterbridge
Even the sept was burned, with hundreds of wounded still within
wouldn't a Targaryen raised under the 7 in Oldtown feel guilty afterwards. Wouldn't a moonlight prayer scene be good imagery? >also hints to book theories about the moon being used by telepathic individuals >maybe his depression was amplified by a 3rd party
The whole thing with Lyonel isn't just padding but based on his character mentioned later on >When Lord Velaryon’s terms were put to Lyonel Hightower, it is said, the young lord ripped the parchment from his maester’s hand and tore it into shreds, swearing to write his reply in the Sea Snake’s blood.
This is someone who wouldn't stay behind whilst his father was losing a war, he'd go and fight.
Daeron's fall from grace is pretty obvious too >Nor did the once-gentle prince hesitate when Lord Unwin Peake presented him with warrants for the execution of Hard Hugh Hammer and Ulf White, but eagerly affixed his seal
These guys were initially hesitant in asking Daeron for his approval because he used to be a goody two shoes as seen with his decision to not attack Longtable or even threaten it until he found out about Maelor's death. It'd be a good idea to hint at a closer relationship between the two. Maybe he likes sending ravens of drawings/doodles to Maelor who sends some back. Adds a bit more depth too. Idk, basic writing.
3 months ago
Anonymous
thx anon, I should have read more between the lines when I read the book. maybe you should become a writer then, I have heard they are looking for people atm in the industry.
also, I don't think being passionate about something means someone is actually autistic. however, on Cinemaphile I guess everyone is a bit.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Loretist, my beautiful king.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Can Daeron really be considered a real Targ with real Targ issues? He's basically a Hightower with a dragon. He didn't grow up in the red keep like Aemond hearing stories about his big dick uncle. I think any identify issues he might have stem from reconciling his Targaryen name with the fact that he's first and foremost fighting for the Hightowers and the faith. Particularly in the show where Viserys never loved Alicent's kids, Daeron must feel even more removed from the seat of Targaryen power.
TL; DR
Daeron becomes an independent adult, taps into Targaryen rage, repents, struggles with being powerless before dying a somewhat dishonourable drunk.
The whole part about the milk of the poppy and floating in a bath has to do with the theory that telepathic abilities are heightened when experiencing weightlessness. This is a somewhat important easter egg hinting that Daeron warged into Tessarion when he died explaining the confusing suicidal choices made by the riderless dragon, when most just avoid violence in the absence of a rider.
Yh my bad. What's even dumber is that they're going to have 8 Kingsguard existing simultaneously prior to Dance because they demand keeping Harold Westerling who was already dead at this time. They can't even keep basic aspects of the continuity intact because of their unchecked writing decisions.
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They made him anime tier edgy for no reason. I thought his story was about his struggle with love and an obsession with Valyrian heritage. He refused Rhea Royce and was unnecessary neglectful because he wanted Valyrian dragon riding sons. Since he couldn't get a second marriage he took a Lyseni concubine as a compromise. Rhea died unexpectedly, he felt regretful and tried make amends but was banished from the Vale. Realising life is short he marries Laena, then Rhaenyra to protect her from Hightowers and because she was the only other viable option to give him Valyrian sons. During the war, he falls in love with Nettles, a dragon rider phenotypically opposite to the Valyrian look, and falls in love with her. He probably now thinks his obsession with ancestry was BS, it seems like anyone can ride a dragon and he goes for a suicide run against Aemond to protect the woman he loves.
That's the rough overview that I saw when I read the books. Nothing else about his story makes any sense if you remove his Valyrian obsession as a motivation behind his actions.
WTF Daeron is the same one from Dunk and Egg? I thought those were different characters
3 months ago
Anonymous
there are like 4 daerons, just like aegons, aemons, etc
3 months ago
Anonymous
So they're different?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, the dunk and egg one was the son of a king and lived 80 after the dance daeron, who was the brother of a king
3 months ago
Anonymous
80 years*
3 months ago
Anonymous
Thanks Anon, sometimes it's hard to keep the timelines in order
Doesn't the "dance of dragons" come from a battle he won?
Reminder his death is shrouded in mystery and we will more than likely see him fake his death to do something heroic in the show
3 months ago
Anonymous
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3 months ago
Anonymous
>Matters came to a head two days later, when a surprise night attack by Addam Velaryon upon Seasmoke started the Second Battle of Tumbleton. Tessarion's rider was killed at the start of the battle. Riderless, Tessarion flew up, shrieking and spitting flame, and met Addam Velaryon and Seasmoke in battle. The dragons rushed one another time and time again and at one point, Tessarion vanished into the clouds, reappearing behind Seasmoke breathing flames. It was said afterward that the fight between Tessarion and Seasmoke seemed to be more a mating dance than a battle.
>They literally cut out the very obvious Reach politics subplot that begins before the war, Daeron, Dalton, Cregan's coup, Triarchy stuff and attempted coup in the Vale.
Kys with your shit. All of your "ideas" were retard since the first day you started spamming this crap
A bastard was passed off as a pure blood but nobody cares because the illusion is all that matters. The main Valeriyan basically says this at one point and the entire second half of the show revolves around the MC doing the same thing.
It's ridiculous since he could not possibly think those are his kids. I know it's medieval times but if black people are everywhere, that means black and white couples are having kids. Presumably the king would see those kids from time to time. Has he never seen a mixed baby? The horses analogy suggests he has not, but that makes no sense, unless everyone resista miscegenation in this universe or something.
It's just stupid and they did it for stupid reasons. They did it because if they didn't the cast would be 100% white and apparently that's against the rules now. So an entire clan of white people descended from a white person is black now.
Certified the gayest fucking timeline and I assume it's only a matter of time my racist problematic ass gets lynched by a mob for knowing this and saying this.
Noggaryens are rough, but if you can get past it, it has it's moments, a lot of stuff is hit or miss to pretty boring, but it manages to built up some scenes that were actually pretty good, not just by GoT standards, but genuienly good, well acted scenes. In terms of quality it's better than the later GoT seasons, nowhere near as flanderized, if you enjoyed GoT and can get past the WE WUZ casting, you'll probably enjoy it
It's hard to watch and the entire show has this ugly orange filter over it. HBO says it's a creative choice but the real reason is to hide bad CGI. The real reason episode 7 is so dark is because when you turn up the brightness you can literally see a fence on the beach. HBO can't stop lying.
They also filmed the whole episode in broad daylight for some reason. Either somebody somewhere convinced them he could edit the footage to look like night, or in filming one of the last scenes, they realized it takes place at night.
I found the We Wuz casting surprisingly tolerable considering that the Valaryans are basically the homosexual cuckold house and they get fucked over at every turn during this time period (lol)
If you enjoyed game of thrones, you should know this will require 3-4 seasons before it can earn the title of kino. That said, it will be impossible to avoid spoilers. So either jump on and guard your expectations, or leave this board for the next few years and return to blissfull ignornace. HOTD could be the tool you use to finally leave this cancer house.
Probably not, it skips right past the comfy young part that matches the vibe of GOTs early seasons. There is no real sense of scale and even more fast travel than in GOT. The stakes of the show are much lower than they are in GOT since its an interfamily struggle over 1-2 cities. Even at the height of the HOTD story the implications are mainly political for most of the continent, not material like the night king invasion.
First season was well known to be a exposition dump. They put the haters eggs into season 2. This still has full kino potential. We very well may be telling people to just skip season one years down the road.
I get what you're saying but I was kind of projecting what I liked about GOT. I liked that we got to see the kid characters being young going on adventures, and Jon having his school buds adventures north of the wall. We don't really get any of that from HOTD and we won't in the future. The show might grow into its own and get better but its going to be missing those kinds of fond memories. You get a couple of scenes of it like the dinner scene maybe, but its not nearly as much. We're not really going to see stuff like Tyrion talking to Jon as an idealistic youth then again as a jaded adult.
Either way it's a lose lose situation. Either you get a truncated show with rushed exposition or a sloppily written season full of Twitter girlboss dialogue. Do you really trust the writers to do do an entire season of world building justice? D&D had a plethora of dialogue to pull from. Fire and Blood is a lose outline. The reality is that as much of a hack as GRRM is, he has more talent in his fat pinkie than the HotD writing staff combined.
I agree that like most spinoffs its derivative trash that doesn't really have its own personality, but that could conceivably change. It probably won't though because these aren't shows that run for a dozen seasons or whatever like DS9, this is expected to be something like 5 seasons which is probably not enough time. I suspect its canceled by 3.
Holy shit an actual reply discussing the show in question, I was not prepared for this. To be fair, HOTD did actually have plenty of "kid" stuff. Where I also see where you are coming from, is it didn't endear us to them. They were just presented as they were. Really the main driving force of HOTD is what the young people do. The actor switches was a major major mistake, especially considering they decided only two actors needed to show 20 years of aging, the fuck is up with that? It was rushed, and it relying heavily on the viewer still holding onto whatever passion they have left for game of thrones...but I see the potential. I think HOTD could blow GOT out of the water, but it's just far too early to judge that. While GOT is kino that turns into dog dogshit, I think this will follow the opposite trajectory. Not that season 1 is dog shit, but it's just telling us the story so the rest of the seasons actually make sense.
You're right about us not getting to see the kids develop they are basically just stock cutouts. It is also dumb how they did the time skip aging, besides some good examples like the king the rest is dogshit. The knight who trains the kids in particular is egregious Cole or whoever. I have a hard time stomaching some early decisions though, like the granny jack in the box. I have enough interest to see what they'll do with the blood & cheese or whatever to see if they really have the balls, but that's about as far as my interest goes. Unless something really magical happens I will probably only stream hotd from pirate sites when I am bored not be enthusiastic about it.
That fair, I don't have blinders on when it comes to its flaws. I just really think this is gunna be better. Showrunners have expressed the importance of staying book faithfull (that's why 28 characters are named aegon still) and they won't run out of source material this time. The pins have been lined up for this show to be a strike, they have to go out of their way to fuck it up.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Rhaenyra is going to be at Harrenhall. She's going to be involved in battles. The writers are not following the show at all.
3 months ago
Anonymous
*book at all
3 months ago
Anonymous
>At all
They sure as fuck ain't going 100% of script like sure let's make Bran king. If they went 100% faithful to books, all suspense will be removed. Book readers favourite part of GOT was when they DIDNT know what was going to happen next. Artistic choices are a must. Maybe her presence was a mistake. Maybe it will set up some kino shit in season 2 that actually ties up unaswered book questions? All I'm saying is, I have more faith in this current team than I did in D&D. I might look the fool after season 2. I'm just staying optimistic.
Holy shit an actual reply discussing the show in question, I was not prepared for this. To be fair, HOTD did actually have plenty of "kid" stuff. Where I also see where you are coming from, is it didn't endear us to them. They were just presented as they were. Really the main driving force of HOTD is what the young people do. The actor switches was a major major mistake, especially considering they decided only two actors needed to show 20 years of aging, the fuck is up with that? It was rushed, and it relying heavily on the viewer still holding onto whatever passion they have left for game of thrones...but I see the potential. I think HOTD could blow GOT out of the water, but it's just far too early to judge that. While GOT is kino that turns into dog dogshit, I think this will follow the opposite trajectory. Not that season 1 is dog shit, but it's just telling us the story so the rest of the seasons actually make sense.
I read Fire and Blood about a year before the show came out so I might be a bit biased toward liking it. I like a lot of the changes they made and there were a lot of great character moments throughout the show. That being said most of the show was carried by Viserys, Daemon, and young Rhae Rhae, now that 2/3 are gone there is a lot less to look forward to. Tranny Rhae Rhae is very uninteresting and I don't care too much about the rest of the characters that are left. I don't think the show has much potential left considering a lot of what is about to happen is "they fight here, they fight there, etc." Still looking forward to a few moments like B&C and the battle above the God's Eye, Sunfyre's meal, the Winter Wolves/Creagan, but that's about it. I don't have much hope for the show but I didn't think season 1 would be good either and it exceeded my expectations
>show is carried by Daemon
This is going to make the writers seethe so much and ultimately they'll "Dukat" his character. They are such hacks that instead of writing good female characters, they'd rather just trash the male characters.
They already took a giant shit all over Aegon II's character for some reason. Instead of being more of a tragic hero/anti-hero like Daemon he is now a sadistic pedophile loser cuck and Aemon is the gigachad for some reason, when it should be the other way around. They also humanized Rhaenyra much more than I expected and I imagine they will tone down a lot of her child murdering genocidal decisions and blame them on Daemon or some other man somehow because feminism. Can't wait for Cregan to kill Cristan Cole and then take a big shit on the entire cast
>Aemond is the gigachad for some reason
I find it interesting that Aemond is the only male character that got the lime wash treatment. All the female characters obviously got whitewashed. I mean they turned Mysaria of all people into Mother Theresa and Alicent didn't know Otto was trying to put Aegon on the throne? Lol. At least the actor who plays Aegon is really good. That's 90% of the reason why people gravitate to certain characters in the first place. They turned Daemon into a wife murderer and wife beater and people still like him because they like Matt Smith.
>Alicent didn't know Otto was trying to put Aegon on the throne?
Reminder that Viserys was the second Targaryen king Alicent sucked, fucked, and murdered.
>Saint Rhaenyra' speech about how she respect's Laenor's alternative life choices and let's him run away with his lover, creating a giant plot hole for when Addam claims Seasmoke.
The writers are trash. They would rather create enormous plot holes than offend homosexual sensibilities.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah it's exactly this kind of shit that will catch up to them, just like how retarded early plot changes caught up with DnD
>tragic hero/anti-hero like Daemon
He never was greencuck. But yeah, least they could was show Aegon to be a good/decent father to the kids considering how Jaehaerys' death basically makes him "reign" a bit more and go against Rhaenys >They also humanized Rhaenyra much more
Yep, as well as Alicent. And going from S2 filming they'll make her help King's Landing even though the city is blocked for a reason
>Lord Baelish
Saves thousands of people from being skinned alive, saves Starks from being eaten by dogs, predicts the loss of Starks coalition army a week before the fight, long before Snow actually realizes he's in a death trap, gives order to all commanders to prepare their armies and head for Winterfell castle, again, long before the fight actually happens. Presents a knife made of Valerian steel to Arya, with which she manages to kill the King of Night and save her brother, family and entire humanity from extinction.
In return gets his throat cut mercilessly by the ones who's lives he saved.
Fuck, the only lovable, intelligent and strong character of them all gets killed so cruelly. But I suppose that's Martin's point, to show there's world and people are not black and white, good or evil, everything is mixed, everyone is evil to the same extent as he is good.
It was beautiful. No but really she is actually trying her hardest to seduce Harry and he barely took notice of her until she played hard to get in the winds sample chapter
Its been a while but I think Preston's main argument was that Harry is a chud.
3 months ago
Anonymous
He tried play it smart and trick George into revealing stuff about the books by asking about forgotten small stories George wrote decades ago which were used as inspiration for many of the characters and events in the books. George either saw right through it or, the most likely scenario, he was there to have a good time and didn't want to answer those types of questions. He just wanted to meet some fans, ask about their day and move along.
>Saint Rhaenyra' speech about how she respect's Laenor's alternative life choices and let's him run away with his lover, creating a giant plot hole for when Addam claims Seasmoke.
The writers are trash. They would rather create enormous plot holes than offend homosexual sensibilities.
>Corlys "accidentally" kills a guy during a tourney in the books >writers make him punch a guy's face in at a feast with 100 witnesses >doesn't get arrested, just let's the murderer walk out the hall freely
This show became officially beyond saving at this point. They could've just had a scene where Corlys pretends to accept his proposition, lures him out of the hall and pushes him down the stairs like Francis did to Cathy in House of Cards. A drunk guy falling down some steps and bashing his skull on the marble is pretty believable. Pic related seemed like a Chekov's gun to me at the time, such a fucking disappointment.
Either way it's a lose lose situation. Either you get a truncated show with rushed exposition or a sloppily written season full of Twitter girlboss dialogue. Do you really trust the writers to do do an entire season of world building justice? D&D had a plethora of dialogue to pull from. Fire and Blood is a lose outline. The reality is that as much of a hack as GRRM is, he has more talent in his fat pinkie than the HotD writing staff combined.
Its doable, just not by the type of people in Hollywood. I'm not a writer and I didn't read any of the books until HOTD began airing, yet I still managed to make up OC subplots from footnote characters in F&B that people here genuinely liked. Just respect the lore, know the timeline of events you can't change, find plotholes and connect the fucking dots to give the story and the characters as much depth as possible.
The stuff I wrote on Emory Hill is my goto example of what we should've had.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You mean Criston not Corlys. And that moment where he kills a noble and punches the future king consort without losing his rank was even dumber than Rhaenys coming up through the floor of the sept.
3 months ago
Anonymous
TL; DR
Daeron becomes an independent adult, taps into Targaryen rage, repents, struggles with being powerless before dying a somewhat dishonourable drunk.
The whole part about the milk of the poppy and floating in a bath has to do with the theory that telepathic abilities are heightened when experiencing weightlessness. This is a somewhat important easter egg hinting that Daeron warged into Tessarion when he died explaining the confusing suicidal choices made by the riderless dragon, when most just avoid violence in the absence of a rider.
Yh my bad. What's even dumber is that they're going to have 8 Kingsguard existing simultaneously prior to Dance because they demand keeping Harold Westerling who was already dead at this time. They can't even keep basic aspects of the continuity intact because of their unchecked writing decisions.
He is GRRM's Gary Stu.
They made him anime tier edgy for no reason. I thought his story was about his struggle with love and an obsession with Valyrian heritage. He refused Rhea Royce and was unnecessary neglectful because he wanted Valyrian dragon riding sons. Since he couldn't get a second marriage he took a Lyseni concubine as a compromise. Rhea died unexpectedly, he felt regretful and tried make amends but was banished from the Vale. Realising life is short he marries Laena, then Rhaenyra to protect her from Hightowers and because she was the only other viable option to give him Valyrian sons. During the war, he falls in love with Nettles, a dragon rider phenotypically opposite to the Valyrian look, and falls in love with her. He probably now thinks his obsession with ancestry was BS, it seems like anyone can ride a dragon and he goes for a suicide run against Aemond to protect the woman he loves.
That's the rough overview that I saw when I read the books. Nothing else about his story makes any sense if you remove his Valyrian obsession as a motivation behind his actions.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>That's the rough overview that I saw when I read the books
Are you fucking dumb
3 months ago
Anonymous
I think the Nettles story is more complicated than that. I think it's a creepy daddy/daughter relationship that is still quite inappropriate but not sexual. I think Nettles is the only non-Valyrian that Daemon had ever respected because her relationship with her dragon is quite extraordinary. He does the suicide run because he feels it's his duty to put Vhaegar out of her misery, Rhaenyra doesn't trust him anymore, and he also doesn't want Nettles hurt.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You should write and post your stuff in screenplay format wherever some gatekeeper can see it. Executives are slowly catching on that the consequence of "too much content" is that audiences, even dumb audiences, are becoming hungry for exposition and realistic, nuanced dialogue. One of the reasons for this is that zoomers and millennials watch series while browsing their phones, i.e., they are listening more than they are watching. Because of this they find extended visual sequences annoying and disruptive.
Screenwriting is easy as long as you're confident.
To put it simply it glosses over the actual problem and uses le oversimplification ecksdee to point out that the show is different than the book which everyone already knows. Makes it look like you were prepared to cry regardless unless it's a 1:1 copy rather than the changes actually being inherently bad. Most of the examples in these pics only work well in its original format.
3 months ago
Anonymous
To put it simply it glosses over the actual problem and uses le oversimplification ecksdee to point out that the show is different than the book which everyone already knows. Makes it look like you were prepared to cry regardless unless it's a 1:1 copy rather than the changes actually being inherently bad. Most of the examples in these pics only work well in its original format.
For example, the complaint for this post seems to imply that Robb breaking his vow with lord Frey because he has sex with a noble woman is inherently less retarded than him breaking his vow because he fell in love with some foreigner. You would also prefer they spend time setting up the house she comes from and how it connects to everything rather than just keeping her backstory vague to save time in an already convoluted plot. In this case I think both versions are perfect for their format and both present Robb undoing being him being an idealistic retard in regards to this woman.
3 months ago
Anonymous
No that's dumb, it completely changes his character and makes him less understandable or sympathetic.
To put it simply it glosses over the actual problem and uses le oversimplification ecksdee to point out that the show is different than the book which everyone already knows. Makes it look like you were prepared to cry regardless unless it's a 1:1 copy rather than the changes actually being inherently bad. Most of the examples in these pics only work well in its original format.
The show would have been much much better without absurd drastic changes that do nothing to help the plot and only make it make less sense
Well she's beautiful and has perfect skin and has resting fuck-me face. Lots of reasons.
>has resting fuck-me face
She really does
3 months ago
Anonymous
>completely changes his character and makes him less understandable or sympathetic.
Not at all. He's retarded regardless >The show would have been much much better if it was actually the book instead
Yeah because devoting limited time and resources to the backstory and lore to Robbs whore is completely necessary to understand why Frey fucked him over. (Spoiler: he was going to regardless because Tywin was always going to bribe him and he hated the Starks)
3 months ago
Anonymous
No it doesn't, Book Robb married Jeyne to defend her honor because it was the honorable thing to do, Show Robb married Chaplin Jr. because he caught feelings for her fat ass. Both end up being dishonorable towards the oath he gave to the Freys leading to the wedding. Difference being one was being an honorable fool much like his father was when he tried to protect Cersei's kids, while the other was Robb's honor being weaker than Robb's cock which is thematically and characteristically worse.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>No but you see he broke his oath and damaged his honor...for honor you see >This is completely different than breaking his oath and marrying for love and completely makes his character less understanble
Maybe if you're a forever alone retard with zero self awareness yeah
3 months ago
Anonymous
>NOOOOOOOOO YOU'RE AN INCEL IF YOU PREFER LITERARY ANALOGIES AND THEMATIC CHARACTERS
ywnbaw
3 months ago
Anonymous
No you're an incel if you think Robbs actions are less understandable because he did it for love. It's retarded to claim the book version is inherently better because he wanted to be honorable, despite the fact that betraying his oath was even more dishonorable.
HOTD is at the same quality of later GOT. Normies will like it because they can't comprehend the obvious writing errors as they're watching it and don't know the lore enough to recognise massive changes to it. Ignore the case of the black Velaryons since anyone who defends that is just suffering from double think, I was extremely bothered by the line where they suggested Criston Cole was Dornish. He's from the Dornish Marches, he'd be of Andal/First Men ancestry, making him white af and probably with lightly coloured hair. >literally bannermen to the Dondarrions who have red-gold hair
They had zero reason to intentionally make him med looking, it was a result of a blatant misunderstanding of the lore, and no one talks about how stupid it is. >"but who cares"
Its a sign of bad writing from the very first episode proven by retarded fuck ups that no one talks about like the Dothraki-esque tourney where heirs and lordlings are brutally murdered for sport and everyone cheers like it's a casual thing. This is the same Kings Landing which was in shock when Ser Hugh of the Vale died "accidentally" during a joust.
When the normies inevitably turn against HOTD and start openly talking about it being shit all along after they download their opinions from the YouTube video essays on the bad writing, remember that they enjoyed it whilst it happened. The same people shitting on later GOT used to get triggered if you dared imply it was bad back when it was on air.
They'll try use cop outs like "there wasn't any source material" like they did with later GOT. There's plenty of source material. I myself listed out a shit tonne of subplots they could and should've put in the show in previous threads. The writers are just bad at their jobs. They can't emulate George's writing style, they just make soap operas within the same continuity and expect the fans of the main series to love it because they mentioned a Stark here and there.
This. Normies loved seasons 5&6 of GOT despite the cracks staring them in the face. They screeched about anyone criticizing the show being a hater, and now they hate GOT more than the people who gave up on it around season 5. They are still seething about D&D and still think Dany going Hitler mode and burning down KL wasn't George's plan all along.
>Viserys marries Laena >Viserys gives Daemon an annulment and let's him marry Rhaenyra >betrothe the grandkids to each other
It could have worked but Viserys was a pussy who could not admit that he just wanted to bang Alicent. If he really cared about duty he'd have married Laena.
They’re both very different >/got/: revenge is le bad >/hotd/: revenge is le good >/got/: incest is le bad >/hotd/: incest is le good >/got/: killing the small folk is le bad >/hotd/: killing the small folk is le good >/got/: morally corrupt character becoming good is a virtue >/hotd/: morally corrupt character staying bad is a virtue >/got/: muh grey complex characters >/hotd/: muh good and bad characters
The theorized Nettles storyline is completely ruined by making Daemon's Lyseni whore Asian and making Laena black. Daemon betraying his roots does work visually or conceptually when 3/4 women he is linked to do not look "Targaryen".
>making Laena black
This breaks a few plotlines. Black Valyrians messes up the "did Rhaenyra make a bastard" thing too. And I'd do unspeakable things to black Laena for the record. I love mutts so fucking much.
HoTD is the better parts of the middle seasons of GoT if that makes sense to you. the nigga valyrians were funny enough to make up for it blatantly disrespecting source material
It's about on par with S3/4 of GoT. Still has dumb parts, or mixed adaptation, but the general quality is high. It's not on par with S1, but it's much better than the S5-8 botchfest. At worst it's on par with S2.
It's very fucking slow and it takes place way too far in the lore's past for it to mean shit. That being said, Viserys and Matt Smith are the few highlights.
There's a certain sect of poster here who are legitimately angry HOTD is not just S7/8 of GOT continued in terms of quality so they can loudly complain about it and circlejerk, so they try desperately to force claims it is.
You are being dramatic. The general consensus is that it's not S7/8 bad, but it's not S1-4 good. Your victim mentality interprets that as "hurrr everyone hates it because they're just h8ers"
It's better than S2. S3 and 4 were an improvement over 2, which still didn't have the budget to pull off big things like S1, but the writing took a huge dip and it botched a bunch of adaptations that had long term consequences for the overall show.
I enjoyed watching it, and NOT just shitposting on /got/, though I enjoyed doing that as well. It was almost foreign realizing somewhere in episode 2 I think, after putting off even bothering to see episode 1 for a few days because I had hardly any interest at all, that "hey...I'm actually kind of liking this". Something I hadn't firmly thought since like S4 of GOT.
Only thing I didn't like was how Rhaenyra felt like a completely different character after the timeskip. I get they wanted to show her as more hardened but they completely took away every endearing trait she had. It's makes me not want to root for her when she goes against the status quo when previously I was all for whatever she wanted.
The greens are not allowed to wear black anymore it’s reserved for the blacks now I guess. The brown looks a little strange on Aemond, makes him look less menacing.
It is. Even on the best OLED HDR televisions it's dark. Get over it.
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3 months ago
Anonymous
Kino channel
3 months ago
Anonymous
>excuse me I have a youtube with a :O face
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Creating a strawman to get angry at.
It's excessively dark. Get over it.
>Dude, realistic lighting where you can't see anything LMAO
What a shock, a youtuber told him what to think so now he throws it at random scenes.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's objectively dark and you are childishly defending a stupid trend because you are still seething about a TV show that ended 4 years ago. You babies act like DnD raped your mother. Get over it.
wtf are you talking about, S5 made me drop the show until the last season and binged it all.
His point is that normies didn't complain about the shitty quality of season 5 whilst it was airing. In fact people were shitting on anyone who had a negative take on the show and it wasn't until the end of season 8 that the YouTube video essays began slowly introducing the idea of the show being bad before the final season. Normies had to be spoon-fed all the various plotholes and massive writing errors for them to even consider this position and even now, to this fucking day, most believe it wasn't D&D's fault because "they ran out of source material". Some of us know the show had errors since season 1 and didn't like how it was handled from season 2 but normies won't, they now believe seasons 1-4 were perfect and will keep that opinion until they see a few video essays breaking down the errors for them.
They don't have opinions of their own, they just download those they see from elsewhere.
Daeron or Cregan?
Could be a decent Daeron but remember there's a shit tonne of other characters that need to be cast which probably won't since they're cutting everything Rhaenyra isn't involved in in some way.
The greens are not allowed to wear black anymore it’s reserved for the blacks now I guess. The brown looks a little strange on Aemond, makes him look less menacing.
Where are you seeing the set leaks? Is there some channel or page uploading them?
Season 1-3 were pretty solid and although they had issues there was hope it could be salvaged. Season 5 is when the show went beyond the point of no return. That doesn't excuse the missteps in earlier seasons but season 5 solidified all of the criticism against the show.
I gotta say, it looks pretty freaking great, especially the contrast.
I've seen a lot of LCD TVs and they just don't compare.
Software-wise it kinda sucks though, but you get used to it.
Reminder that she sucked and fucked the Blue Bard, Jalabhar Xho, and Moonboy for all I know and fapped while her pubescent cousins pleasured various men and that this is canon until Winds comes out.
But how did she explained to Sansa that womens bodies are very complicated to pleasure and that Tyrion would be good at it. How did she know most men don’t know how to get women off if she hasn’t experienced it?
They are most likely pretending so they don’t hurt your feelings. There’s this weird thing women get where they get nervous they are taking too long to orgasm especially when he’s asking them if they are about to. So she feels pressured to pretend, a whole bunch of my friends have never orgasmed with their boyfriends but it’s too far into the relationship to be honest and tell him what they actually like. Communication is key from the beginning.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Jokes on you retard. I've never had sex.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You got me anon, but remember that for when you do. Don’t rush her or forget foreplay. Or most importantly don’t try to replicate porn.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Don’t rush her or forget foreplay.
Don't worry. I'll make let her blow me. I know chicks dig that.
Based Lord Glover. >didn't choose a side between starkshits and boltonshits >knelt for jon and said he would be loyal >didn't bother showing up against the white walkers >salsa probably won't be able to do anything against him because she has no men
>what's a better one?
That he's a cunt who only cares about himself. He only loved Laena and maybe his daughters, he didn't give a shit about anything else and no matter how much the show wants to whitewash him he didn't love Viserys nor Rhaenyra. >mocks the death of his nephew and cousin >probably murdered lyonel and harwin strong >murdered laenor even though his supposed "ally" Corlys would loose his only child left >gave no fucks about Mysaria after she lost his bastard >didn't seem to care at all about Jace's death (which has caused thanks to him being an ambitious little cunt)
Daemon is a piece of shit who doesn't care about anyone
No. Aemond is another psycho, who the show is whitewashing the fuck out of it, best thing that Daemon did was to make this one eyed cunt be scared before he died
I don’t think they will whitewash him anymore than they have. They just wanted to give him more of a backstory instead of being an anime villain straight off the bat.
It's funny how most showwatchers really defended S5 and started the whole "books are books and show is show" or "nooo they "adapted" all five books its grrm fault" bullcrap. Better yet that when S8 released and they didn't get their preferred ending to their favorite characters they started complaining and going "noooo why is the show so bad now???" "d&d bad guys" "i miss s1 and its politics"
That's literally a quote from GRRM. Season 1 is a perfect adaptation because the structure of the story is relatively simple to follow with an objective central character. Beyond that the world is completely open both in terms of story and character so devoting screentime to the lore of every single plot point or character motivation like in the books isnt possible. Bookfags just like to complain without even really knowing what they're complaining about beyond "hurr it different!"
Yes
No it's a soap opera with forced naggers. The only reason to watch is if you think pic related is attractive because she acts like a slut in it.
>think she’s attractive
Not OP but I do
She is so fucking hot and I don't know why
Because she activates your neurons
Yes but WHY?
Well she's beautiful and has perfect skin and has resting fuck-me face. Lots of reasons.
for me, its first alicent
I like the second more
Monkey fetish
Guess so
Why are you in every single HOTD thread?
Yes
even with the
>forced naggers
trust me
No
Only for the first few episodes.
I miss Lukebro
Don't you get tired of posting the same thing in every thread?
He's not going to come back if you creeps keep thirsting for him.
where is he?
I tried watching the first episode and it was painfully boring. Also, the vast majority of the cast is ugly so the immersion is gone
This. Couldn't even finish the first ep of this forced crap.
Might as well watch a BBC period piece.
Ah the quintessential Targaryen phenotype.
technically those are velaryons from an island off valyria
obviously they werent written to look this way in the novels but at least they made the decision to say "these guys are black that's why theres black people" instead of pretending like there's black people everywhere in westeros
>instead of pretending like there's black people everywhere in westeros
But there is some in the background including some maesters or lordlings, plus Orwyle (who is a a Noble) is black. There's also an asian maid to Queen Aemma and some indian serving under Grand Maester Mellos
Reminder how retarded this is.
Reminder that Daeron is a known bastard and a racemixer as well.
Nobody will ever be more based than Jaehaerys I. Aegon III is literally me though
I've never read the books can any anons who have confirm black Targaryens are lore accurate? I assumed they were an entire blood line of pale platinum haired people
It doesn't explicitly say the Velaryons are Nordic Aryans so its ok.
Right looks really odd though
The Targaryens and Velaryons are basically the same family.
>Daenaera was but six years old, yet so beautiful she took the breath away. The blood of Old Valyria was strong in her, as is oft seen in the sons and daughters of the seahorse; her hair was silver laced with gold, her eyes as blue as a summer sea, her skin as smooth and pale as winter snow.
Ok whatever dude. Its a show about dragons but cry about the Black people.
Fantasy and suspension of disbelief works when the story is grounded in some level of reality that's relatable. Inserting a completely different race that looks nothing like what's described in the books and has no basis in genealogy is disingenuous at best. You know exactly what their doing with the identity politics and it's not to create a better story. Bullshit argument.
god damn what a homosexualy reddit-tier response
absolutely zero substance
surprised you didn't tell him to touch grass you absolute homosexual
nagger
Uh actually it fucking does you dumb lorelet
The Velaryons have been heavily intermarrying with the Targaryens since before Aegon's conquest. Many are explicity described as having silver hair, pale skin and purple eyes. Velaryons and their bastards are noted for looking like known Targaryens such as Aurane Waters being explicitly mentioned as looking like Rhaegar with the only differences being a slightly narrower facial width and different coloured eyes.
The only reason people are trying to defend the Velaryon black situation is because they're liberals. They don't want to be racist or seem racist so they'll make shit up and lie to yourself. Corlys' appearance is described in the books. The show runners are just straight up retarded. They even gave Rhaenys silver hair when she had black hair due to her Baratheon ancestry which is a core part of the plot in GOT.
>Showrunners have expressed the importance of staying book faithfull
I'm kinda autistic, is this sarcasm?
>they won't run out of source material this time
They literally cut out the very obvious Reach politics subplot that begins before the war, Daeron, Dalton, Cregan's coup, Triarchy stuff and attempted coup in the Vale. Sure there's a lot of wiggle room when it comes to what gets how much screen time and how in depth each part is but they refused to even say Daeron's name.
>All I'm saying is, I have more faith in this current team than I did in D&D
My sweet summer child, they're worse.
this. I forgot if Daeron even happened in S01, but I doubt they're still gonna introduce him, right? A bit too late for that. Also, he is not too important of a character. Doesn't he die in Tumbleton with his dragon anyway?
Also, the whole Rhaenys crashing the coronation thing was so over the top. I guess they just wrote this for action purposes.
>Daeron
>not too important of a character
Just kill me now. Daeron has probably the best arcs in the entire Dance. Season 1 should've had a Reach politics subplot which also included some time with Daeron. He's an obedient little saint. He wasn't raised to be a lord but a follower. A follower of the faith, a student of the Citadel and a future Knight just so he can be a follower of whoever Lord Hightower is. In the absence of his paternal figures, Ormund and Brynden, he begins self actualising, initially preventing his cousin Lyonel from leaving for battle on the accounts of following the orders of Ormund, and flying out to battle himself against the explicit orders of Ormund culminating in the Battle of the Honeywine where he's rewarded for his actions and is knighted. Season 3 starts off by showing him at his peak, he's untouchable and pampered by the leadership. He's the goody two shoes who refuses to even threaten Longtable, probably just sits out at camp eating apples, doesn't pay attention at the war council meetings with the likes of Unwin and rides his dragon for fun. His rose tinted perspective of war and honour is shattered by the second half of the season when his family suffers successive losses with the dissappearance of King Aegon, capture of Kings Landing, the story of Jaehaerys' death, troubling news of Aemond's actions and the death of Maelor, the straw that broke the camel's back. This is when he sees a glimpse of the Targaryen evil within him that Vaegon warned him about. He repents and prays in a sept he burnt in Bitterbridge, promising to do better with the power granted to him but is immediately left powerless when the Two Betrayers join his side and Ormund/Brynden die. With rumours of Aemond's death reaching camp, he falls into a depressive hole, signing the death warrants for Hugh and Ulf whom he couldn't control. He goes away to his tent, turns on a bath, takes some milk of the poppy after floats as the tent burns and collapses.
wow. did you make this up? it wasn't so detailed in the book.
or are you just autistic?
Yh I'm probably autistic but getting diagnosed as an adult is cringe. I'm the loretist from the hotd threads.
Btw that's the plot I saw on first read. It's pretty obvious for me I guess. He's in Oldtown living with the Hightowers who are known for spending time in the Citadel. He's explicitly noted as being intelligent.
>Prince Daeron, was the most popular of the queen’s sons, as clever as he was courteous, and most comely as well
I think it's good symbolism to have him earn 7 links and make a septagram necklace from them. Why not have some religious motifs carry along with the story? He does burn a sept in Bitterbridge
Even the sept was burned, with hundreds of wounded still within
wouldn't a Targaryen raised under the 7 in Oldtown feel guilty afterwards. Wouldn't a moonlight prayer scene be good imagery?
>also hints to book theories about the moon being used by telepathic individuals
>maybe his depression was amplified by a 3rd party
The whole thing with Lyonel isn't just padding but based on his character mentioned later on
>When Lord Velaryon’s terms were put to Lyonel Hightower, it is said, the young lord ripped the parchment from his maester’s hand and tore it into shreds, swearing to write his reply in the Sea Snake’s blood.
This is someone who wouldn't stay behind whilst his father was losing a war, he'd go and fight.
Daeron's fall from grace is pretty obvious too
>Nor did the once-gentle prince hesitate when Lord Unwin Peake presented him with warrants for the execution of Hard Hugh Hammer and Ulf White, but eagerly affixed his seal
These guys were initially hesitant in asking Daeron for his approval because he used to be a goody two shoes as seen with his decision to not attack Longtable or even threaten it until he found out about Maelor's death. It'd be a good idea to hint at a closer relationship between the two. Maybe he likes sending ravens of drawings/doodles to Maelor who sends some back. Adds a bit more depth too. Idk, basic writing.
thx anon, I should have read more between the lines when I read the book. maybe you should become a writer then, I have heard they are looking for people atm in the industry.
also, I don't think being passionate about something means someone is actually autistic. however, on Cinemaphile I guess everyone is a bit.
Loretist, my beautiful king.
Can Daeron really be considered a real Targ with real Targ issues? He's basically a Hightower with a dragon. He didn't grow up in the red keep like Aemond hearing stories about his big dick uncle. I think any identify issues he might have stem from reconciling his Targaryen name with the fact that he's first and foremost fighting for the Hightowers and the faith. Particularly in the show where Viserys never loved Alicent's kids, Daeron must feel even more removed from the seat of Targaryen power.
WTF Daeron is the same one from Dunk and Egg? I thought those were different characters
there are like 4 daerons, just like aegons, aemons, etc
So they're different?
Yes, the dunk and egg one was the son of a king and lived 80 after the dance daeron, who was the brother of a king
80 years*
Thanks Anon, sometimes it's hard to keep the timelines in order
Doesn't the "dance of dragons" come from a battle he won?
Reminder his death is shrouded in mystery and we will more than likely see him fake his death to do something heroic in the show
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>Matters came to a head two days later, when a surprise night attack by Addam Velaryon upon Seasmoke started the Second Battle of Tumbleton. Tessarion's rider was killed at the start of the battle. Riderless, Tessarion flew up, shrieking and spitting flame, and met Addam Velaryon and Seasmoke in battle. The dragons rushed one another time and time again and at one point, Tessarion vanished into the clouds, reappearing behind Seasmoke breathing flames. It was said afterward that the fight between Tessarion and Seasmoke seemed to be more a mating dance than a battle.
Will they fuck it up?
>They literally cut out the very obvious Reach politics subplot that begins before the war, Daeron, Dalton, Cregan's coup, Triarchy stuff and attempted coup in the Vale.
Kys with your shit. All of your "ideas" were retard since the first day you started spamming this crap
A bastard was passed off as a pure blood but nobody cares because the illusion is all that matters. The main Valeriyan basically says this at one point and the entire second half of the show revolves around the MC doing the same thing.
Thank you, America.
Missing the fact the the most based character in the show is black.
>history doesn’t remember blood it remembers names
Cordless was based.
Fall of Eagles was kino of the absolute highest caliber. BBC period pieces were perfect… once.
>clan known for fucking their siblings suddenly hella diverse
I hate it in principle but it's funny in universe because it adds even more evidence to the "bro those aren't his kids" plotline.
It's ridiculous since he could not possibly think those are his kids. I know it's medieval times but if black people are everywhere, that means black and white couples are having kids. Presumably the king would see those kids from time to time. Has he never seen a mixed baby? The horses analogy suggests he has not, but that makes no sense, unless everyone resista miscegenation in this universe or something.
It's just stupid and they did it for stupid reasons. They did it because if they didn't the cast would be 100% white and apparently that's against the rules now. So an entire clan of white people descended from a white person is black now.
Certified the gayest fucking timeline and I assume it's only a matter of time my racist problematic ass gets lynched by a mob for knowing this and saying this.
HAHAHAHAHA
Noggaryens are rough, but if you can get past it, it has it's moments, a lot of stuff is hit or miss to pretty boring, but it manages to built up some scenes that were actually pretty good, not just by GoT standards, but genuienly good, well acted scenes. In terms of quality it's better than the later GoT seasons, nowhere near as flanderized, if you enjoyed GoT and can get past the WE WUZ casting, you'll probably enjoy it
It's hard to watch and the entire show has this ugly orange filter over it. HBO says it's a creative choice but the real reason is to hide bad CGI. The real reason episode 7 is so dark is because when you turn up the brightness you can literally see a fence on the beach. HBO can't stop lying.
They also filmed the whole episode in broad daylight for some reason. Either somebody somewhere convinced them he could edit the footage to look like night, or in filming one of the last scenes, they realized it takes place at night.
And all the promo photos from that episode are suspiciously light. Even on the best OLED TVs with HDR enabled it's an incredibly dark show.
Dragon smog. Once they all died out the skies were clearer.
Holy shit thats bad.
Giving off Rome:total war vibes. When was that? Like 2007?
I found the We Wuz casting surprisingly tolerable considering that the Valaryans are basically the homosexual cuckold house and they get fucked over at every turn during this time period (lol)
If you enjoyed game of thrones, you should know this will require 3-4 seasons before it can earn the title of kino. That said, it will be impossible to avoid spoilers. So either jump on and guard your expectations, or leave this board for the next few years and return to blissfull ignornace. HOTD could be the tool you use to finally leave this cancer house.
Probably not, it skips right past the comfy young part that matches the vibe of GOTs early seasons. There is no real sense of scale and even more fast travel than in GOT. The stakes of the show are much lower than they are in GOT since its an interfamily struggle over 1-2 cities. Even at the height of the HOTD story the implications are mainly political for most of the continent, not material like the night king invasion.
First season was well known to be a exposition dump. They put the haters eggs into season 2. This still has full kino potential. We very well may be telling people to just skip season one years down the road.
I get what you're saying but I was kind of projecting what I liked about GOT. I liked that we got to see the kid characters being young going on adventures, and Jon having his school buds adventures north of the wall. We don't really get any of that from HOTD and we won't in the future. The show might grow into its own and get better but its going to be missing those kinds of fond memories. You get a couple of scenes of it like the dinner scene maybe, but its not nearly as much. We're not really going to see stuff like Tyrion talking to Jon as an idealistic youth then again as a jaded adult.
Either way it's a lose lose situation. Either you get a truncated show with rushed exposition or a sloppily written season full of Twitter girlboss dialogue. Do you really trust the writers to do do an entire season of world building justice? D&D had a plethora of dialogue to pull from. Fire and Blood is a lose outline. The reality is that as much of a hack as GRRM is, he has more talent in his fat pinkie than the HotD writing staff combined.
I agree that like most spinoffs its derivative trash that doesn't really have its own personality, but that could conceivably change. It probably won't though because these aren't shows that run for a dozen seasons or whatever like DS9, this is expected to be something like 5 seasons which is probably not enough time. I suspect its canceled by 3.
You're right about us not getting to see the kids develop they are basically just stock cutouts. It is also dumb how they did the time skip aging, besides some good examples like the king the rest is dogshit. The knight who trains the kids in particular is egregious Cole or whoever. I have a hard time stomaching some early decisions though, like the granny jack in the box. I have enough interest to see what they'll do with the blood & cheese or whatever to see if they really have the balls, but that's about as far as my interest goes. Unless something really magical happens I will probably only stream hotd from pirate sites when I am bored not be enthusiastic about it.
That fair, I don't have blinders on when it comes to its flaws. I just really think this is gunna be better. Showrunners have expressed the importance of staying book faithfull (that's why 28 characters are named aegon still) and they won't run out of source material this time. The pins have been lined up for this show to be a strike, they have to go out of their way to fuck it up.
Rhaenyra is going to be at Harrenhall. She's going to be involved in battles. The writers are not following the show at all.
*book at all
>At all
They sure as fuck ain't going 100% of script like sure let's make Bran king. If they went 100% faithful to books, all suspense will be removed. Book readers favourite part of GOT was when they DIDNT know what was going to happen next. Artistic choices are a must. Maybe her presence was a mistake. Maybe it will set up some kino shit in season 2 that actually ties up unaswered book questions? All I'm saying is, I have more faith in this current team than I did in D&D. I might look the fool after season 2. I'm just staying optimistic.
Holy shit an actual reply discussing the show in question, I was not prepared for this. To be fair, HOTD did actually have plenty of "kid" stuff. Where I also see where you are coming from, is it didn't endear us to them. They were just presented as they were. Really the main driving force of HOTD is what the young people do. The actor switches was a major major mistake, especially considering they decided only two actors needed to show 20 years of aging, the fuck is up with that? It was rushed, and it relying heavily on the viewer still holding onto whatever passion they have left for game of thrones...but I see the potential. I think HOTD could blow GOT out of the water, but it's just far too early to judge that. While GOT is kino that turns into dog dogshit, I think this will follow the opposite trajectory. Not that season 1 is dog shit, but it's just telling us the story so the rest of the seasons actually make sense.
>Fast travel when 90% of the show takes place in kings landing
You ok m8?
anons just mad that they don't dedicate 20 episodes to walking up one road
I read Fire and Blood about a year before the show came out so I might be a bit biased toward liking it. I like a lot of the changes they made and there were a lot of great character moments throughout the show. That being said most of the show was carried by Viserys, Daemon, and young Rhae Rhae, now that 2/3 are gone there is a lot less to look forward to. Tranny Rhae Rhae is very uninteresting and I don't care too much about the rest of the characters that are left. I don't think the show has much potential left considering a lot of what is about to happen is "they fight here, they fight there, etc." Still looking forward to a few moments like B&C and the battle above the God's Eye, Sunfyre's meal, the Winter Wolves/Creagan, but that's about it. I don't have much hope for the show but I didn't think season 1 would be good either and it exceeded my expectations
>show is carried by Daemon
This is going to make the writers seethe so much and ultimately they'll "Dukat" his character. They are such hacks that instead of writing good female characters, they'd rather just trash the male characters.
They already took a giant shit all over Aegon II's character for some reason. Instead of being more of a tragic hero/anti-hero like Daemon he is now a sadistic pedophile loser cuck and Aemon is the gigachad for some reason, when it should be the other way around. They also humanized Rhaenyra much more than I expected and I imagine they will tone down a lot of her child murdering genocidal decisions and blame them on Daemon or some other man somehow because feminism. Can't wait for Cregan to kill Cristan Cole and then take a big shit on the entire cast
>Aemond is the gigachad for some reason
I find it interesting that Aemond is the only male character that got the lime wash treatment. All the female characters obviously got whitewashed. I mean they turned Mysaria of all people into Mother Theresa and Alicent didn't know Otto was trying to put Aegon on the throne? Lol. At least the actor who plays Aegon is really good. That's 90% of the reason why people gravitate to certain characters in the first place. They turned Daemon into a wife murderer and wife beater and people still like him because they like Matt Smith.
>Alicent didn't know Otto was trying to put Aegon on the throne?
Reminder that Viserys was the second Targaryen king Alicent sucked, fucked, and murdered.
That's a good point actually. And they seriously went all out to downplay what a fucking cunt Alicent is
>Saint Rhaenyra' speech about how she respect's Laenor's alternative life choices and let's him run away with his lover, creating a giant plot hole for when Addam claims Seasmoke.
The writers are trash. They would rather create enormous plot holes than offend homosexual sensibilities.
Yeah it's exactly this kind of shit that will catch up to them, just like how retarded early plot changes caught up with DnD
that fucking drawing kills me every time
>tragic hero/anti-hero like Daemon
He never was greencuck. But yeah, least they could was show Aegon to be a good/decent father to the kids considering how Jaehaerys' death basically makes him "reign" a bit more and go against Rhaenys
>They also humanized Rhaenyra much more
Yep, as well as Alicent. And going from S2 filming they'll make her help King's Landing even though the city is blocked for a reason
>Lord Baelish
Saves thousands of people from being skinned alive, saves Starks from being eaten by dogs, predicts the loss of Starks coalition army a week before the fight, long before Snow actually realizes he's in a death trap, gives order to all commanders to prepare their armies and head for Winterfell castle, again, long before the fight actually happens. Presents a knife made of Valerian steel to Arya, with which she manages to kill the King of Night and save her brother, family and entire humanity from extinction.
In return gets his throat cut mercilessly by the ones who's lives he saved.
Fuck, the only lovable, intelligent and strong character of them all gets killed so cruelly. But I suppose that's Martin's point, to show there's world and people are not black and white, good or evil, everything is mixed, everyone is evil to the same extent as he is good.
Martin hasn't killed him off
>mfw Peter is setting Shansha up to be raped by Harry so he can force a marriage
Always comes back to the rape.
It was beautiful. No but really she is actually trying her hardest to seduce Harry and he barely took notice of her until she played hard to get in the winds sample chapter
Preston said it so I believe it.
Proofs?
Its been a while but I think Preston's main argument was that Harry is a chud.
He tried play it smart and trick George into revealing stuff about the books by asking about forgotten small stories George wrote decades ago which were used as inspiration for many of the characters and events in the books. George either saw right through it or, the most likely scenario, he was there to have a good time and didn't want to answer those types of questions. He just wanted to meet some fans, ask about their day and move along.
>Corlys "accidentally" kills a guy during a tourney in the books
>writers make him punch a guy's face in at a feast with 100 witnesses
>doesn't get arrested, just let's the murderer walk out the hall freely
This show became officially beyond saving at this point. They could've just had a scene where Corlys pretends to accept his proposition, lures him out of the hall and pushes him down the stairs like Francis did to Cathy in House of Cards. A drunk guy falling down some steps and bashing his skull on the marble is pretty believable. Pic related seemed like a Chekov's gun to me at the time, such a fucking disappointment.
Its doable, just not by the type of people in Hollywood. I'm not a writer and I didn't read any of the books until HOTD began airing, yet I still managed to make up OC subplots from footnote characters in F&B that people here genuinely liked. Just respect the lore, know the timeline of events you can't change, find plotholes and connect the fucking dots to give the story and the characters as much depth as possible.
The stuff I wrote on Emory Hill is my goto example of what we should've had.
You mean Criston not Corlys. And that moment where he kills a noble and punches the future king consort without losing his rank was even dumber than Rhaenys coming up through the floor of the sept.
TL; DR
Daeron becomes an independent adult, taps into Targaryen rage, repents, struggles with being powerless before dying a somewhat dishonourable drunk.
The whole part about the milk of the poppy and floating in a bath has to do with the theory that telepathic abilities are heightened when experiencing weightlessness. This is a somewhat important easter egg hinting that Daeron warged into Tessarion when he died explaining the confusing suicidal choices made by the riderless dragon, when most just avoid violence in the absence of a rider.
Yh my bad. What's even dumber is that they're going to have 8 Kingsguard existing simultaneously prior to Dance because they demand keeping Harold Westerling who was already dead at this time. They can't even keep basic aspects of the continuity intact because of their unchecked writing decisions.
They made him anime tier edgy for no reason. I thought his story was about his struggle with love and an obsession with Valyrian heritage. He refused Rhea Royce and was unnecessary neglectful because he wanted Valyrian dragon riding sons. Since he couldn't get a second marriage he took a Lyseni concubine as a compromise. Rhea died unexpectedly, he felt regretful and tried make amends but was banished from the Vale. Realising life is short he marries Laena, then Rhaenyra to protect her from Hightowers and because she was the only other viable option to give him Valyrian sons. During the war, he falls in love with Nettles, a dragon rider phenotypically opposite to the Valyrian look, and falls in love with her. He probably now thinks his obsession with ancestry was BS, it seems like anyone can ride a dragon and he goes for a suicide run against Aemond to protect the woman he loves.
That's the rough overview that I saw when I read the books. Nothing else about his story makes any sense if you remove his Valyrian obsession as a motivation behind his actions.
>That's the rough overview that I saw when I read the books
Are you fucking dumb
I think the Nettles story is more complicated than that. I think it's a creepy daddy/daughter relationship that is still quite inappropriate but not sexual. I think Nettles is the only non-Valyrian that Daemon had ever respected because her relationship with her dragon is quite extraordinary. He does the suicide run because he feels it's his duty to put Vhaegar out of her misery, Rhaenyra doesn't trust him anymore, and he also doesn't want Nettles hurt.
You should write and post your stuff in screenplay format wherever some gatekeeper can see it. Executives are slowly catching on that the consequence of "too much content" is that audiences, even dumb audiences, are becoming hungry for exposition and realistic, nuanced dialogue. One of the reasons for this is that zoomers and millennials watch series while browsing their phones, i.e., they are listening more than they are watching. Because of this they find extended visual sequences annoying and disruptive.
Screenwriting is easy as long as you're confident.
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IMAGINE THE ODOR
God I would make a whole tribe of metizos with them that very night right there on the sidewalk.
Based George "White Boy Summer Islands" Martin
I do agree Preston is smarter than George, which is why 99% of his theories are wrong.
You can’t write a character smarter than yourself. That’s George’s problem.
These are all so cringe, and not for the reason you think it is.
For what reason then? Enlighten me
To put it simply it glosses over the actual problem and uses le oversimplification ecksdee to point out that the show is different than the book which everyone already knows. Makes it look like you were prepared to cry regardless unless it's a 1:1 copy rather than the changes actually being inherently bad. Most of the examples in these pics only work well in its original format.
For example, the complaint for this post seems to imply that Robb breaking his vow with lord Frey because he has sex with a noble woman is inherently less retarded than him breaking his vow because he fell in love with some foreigner. You would also prefer they spend time setting up the house she comes from and how it connects to everything rather than just keeping her backstory vague to save time in an already convoluted plot. In this case I think both versions are perfect for their format and both present Robb undoing being him being an idealistic retard in regards to this woman.
No that's dumb, it completely changes his character and makes him less understandable or sympathetic.
The show would have been much much better without absurd drastic changes that do nothing to help the plot and only make it make less sense
>has resting fuck-me face
She really does
>completely changes his character and makes him less understandable or sympathetic.
Not at all. He's retarded regardless
>The show would have been much much better if it was actually the book instead
Yeah because devoting limited time and resources to the backstory and lore to Robbs whore is completely necessary to understand why Frey fucked him over. (Spoiler: he was going to regardless because Tywin was always going to bribe him and he hated the Starks)
No it doesn't, Book Robb married Jeyne to defend her honor because it was the honorable thing to do, Show Robb married Chaplin Jr. because he caught feelings for her fat ass. Both end up being dishonorable towards the oath he gave to the Freys leading to the wedding. Difference being one was being an honorable fool much like his father was when he tried to protect Cersei's kids, while the other was Robb's honor being weaker than Robb's cock which is thematically and characteristically worse.
>No but you see he broke his oath and damaged his honor...for honor you see
>This is completely different than breaking his oath and marrying for love and completely makes his character less understanble
Maybe if you're a forever alone retard with zero self awareness yeah
>NOOOOOOOOO YOU'RE AN INCEL IF YOU PREFER LITERARY ANALOGIES AND THEMATIC CHARACTERS
ywnbaw
No you're an incel if you think Robbs actions are less understandable because he did it for love. It's retarded to claim the book version is inherently better because he wanted to be honorable, despite the fact that betraying his oath was even more dishonorable.
//P E A K E \
For me it was the
>we WUZ grand maesters n shit
HOTD is at the same quality of later GOT. Normies will like it because they can't comprehend the obvious writing errors as they're watching it and don't know the lore enough to recognise massive changes to it. Ignore the case of the black Velaryons since anyone who defends that is just suffering from double think, I was extremely bothered by the line where they suggested Criston Cole was Dornish. He's from the Dornish Marches, he'd be of Andal/First Men ancestry, making him white af and probably with lightly coloured hair.
>literally bannermen to the Dondarrions who have red-gold hair
They had zero reason to intentionally make him med looking, it was a result of a blatant misunderstanding of the lore, and no one talks about how stupid it is.
>"but who cares"
Its a sign of bad writing from the very first episode proven by retarded fuck ups that no one talks about like the Dothraki-esque tourney where heirs and lordlings are brutally murdered for sport and everyone cheers like it's a casual thing. This is the same Kings Landing which was in shock when Ser Hugh of the Vale died "accidentally" during a joust.
When the normies inevitably turn against HOTD and start openly talking about it being shit all along after they download their opinions from the YouTube video essays on the bad writing, remember that they enjoyed it whilst it happened. The same people shitting on later GOT used to get triggered if you dared imply it was bad back when it was on air.
They'll try use cop outs like "there wasn't any source material" like they did with later GOT. There's plenty of source material. I myself listed out a shit tonne of subplots they could and should've put in the show in previous threads. The writers are just bad at their jobs. They can't emulate George's writing style, they just make soap operas within the same continuity and expect the fans of the main series to love it because they mentioned a Stark here and there.
This. Normies loved seasons 5&6 of GOT despite the cracks staring them in the face. They screeched about anyone criticizing the show being a hater, and now they hate GOT more than the people who gave up on it around season 5. They are still seething about D&D and still think Dany going Hitler mode and burning down KL wasn't George's plan all along.
you are 100% correct
"Nailed it"
Daemons character does nothing for me. What's so cool about him. Is his fan base just horny thots or is he kino and I just don't get it?
He is GRRM's Gary Stu.
he's the rogue prince, so cool and sigma
Cool dragon and people like incest.
he reprasents the uncle that got away
High powerlevel characters that aren't afraid to get involved with the plot will always be fan favorites.
He has big dick energy
Probably yeah.
If you enjoyed GOT through Season 6, you'll enjoy HotD
BIG WINDS NEWS. NOT A DRILL.
I dislike the Black Velaryons but I really like Steve Toussaint as Corlys and whatshisface as Vaemond, both good actors that had some nice scenes
yeah, the annoying ones are the nigresses
Would the Dance have been avoided if Viserys had fucked the bunny? Or would the Maester have just found another way?
>Would the Dance have been avoided if Viserys had fucked the bunny?
No. Corlys would just start his own war to put his grandson on the throne.
>Viserys marries Laena
>Viserys gives Daemon an annulment and let's him marry Rhaenyra
>betrothe the grandkids to each other
It could have worked but Viserys was a pussy who could not admit that he just wanted to bang Alicent. If he really cared about duty he'd have married Laena.
AUUUUGHHHHH
Who knew things would turn into such shit.
HOTD is legit better than GoT
It is like the authenticity and Sovl of S01 GoT with the budget of S08 GoT.
Only bad thing i can think of is the targ grandma smashing the coronation up on her dragon in order to produce an action scene.
Please kill yourself and then bring your corpse back to r3ddit.
>poofy hair
Literally designed, manufactured, and fabricated for me.
They’re both very different
>/got/: revenge is le bad
>/hotd/: revenge is le good
>/got/: incest is le bad
>/hotd/: incest is le good
>/got/: killing the small folk is le bad
>/hotd/: killing the small folk is le good
>/got/: morally corrupt character becoming good is a virtue
>/hotd/: morally corrupt character staying bad is a virtue
>/got/: muh grey complex characters
>/hotd/: muh good and bad characters
wtf I love hotd now?
: incest is le good
The theorized Nettles storyline is completely ruined by making Daemon's Lyseni whore Asian and making Laena black. Daemon betraying his roots does work visually or conceptually when 3/4 women he is linked to do not look "Targaryen".
>making Laena black
This breaks a few plotlines. Black Valyrians messes up the "did Rhaenyra make a bastard" thing too. And I'd do unspeakable things to black Laena for the record. I love mutts so fucking much.
SEXO
I have a cool gif where she bites her lip but asiaticmoot says it too expensive for me to show you.
Based webm haver.
Why is she so attractive to me?
What is this facial phenotype? I find it attractive too. What region of Bong land is this from
She's part aboriginal I hear.
That's just made up on Cinemaphile
Why would someone just come on Cinemaphile and lie? Doesn't add up.
That's the chimp phenotype
It's called FAS
>Black actors
>in an already incredibly dark show
>can't see their features at all
What did they mean by this?
Just get a better tv poorfag.
>reflexively defending the shitty choices made by HBO despite a mountain of dissenting voices
Yup, found the shill.
Alternatively, a joke.
its miguel saponick or whatever his name is dude loves making everything dark
Who will they cast as Nettles and will they age her up?
Hardmode: no Zendaya
Looks like Nettles has already been cast
HoTD is the better parts of the middle seasons of GoT if that makes sense to you. the nigga valyrians were funny enough to make up for it blatantly disrespecting source material
It's about on par with S3/4 of GoT. Still has dumb parts, or mixed adaptation, but the general quality is high. It's not on par with S1, but it's much better than the S5-8 botchfest. At worst it's on par with S2.
It's very fucking slow and it takes place way too far in the lore's past for it to mean shit. That being said, Viserys and Matt Smith are the few highlights.
>past for it to mean shit
what does this even mean
There's a certain sect of poster here who are legitimately angry HOTD is not just S7/8 of GOT continued in terms of quality so they can loudly complain about it and circlejerk, so they try desperately to force claims it is.
You are being dramatic. The general consensus is that it's not S7/8 bad, but it's not S1-4 good. Your victim mentality interprets that as "hurrr everyone hates it because they're just h8ers"
"1-4" doesn't make sense because 1 to 4 are not equal.
Learn the concept of average
It's not as good a Seasons 1-4 but it's much much better than 7-8
It's better than S2. S3 and 4 were an improvement over 2, which still didn't have the budget to pull off big things like S1, but the writing took a huge dip and it botched a bunch of adaptations that had long term consequences for the overall show.
It's not perfect, but it's good, and I haven't been able to say that about GoT for a long time.
AAAAGGH
My main question is how did going from teen to adult change Rhaenyra's nose from upturned to Roman?
they switched actresses
She shoved a nugget of dried cum up there.
It's only a curve of bone/cartilage, why is the shape on older Rhaenyra's nose so sexy?
It's the way things are.
Definitely. It’s literally just more GoT, on par or better than the later seasons.
I enjoyed watching it, and NOT just shitposting on /got/, though I enjoyed doing that as well. It was almost foreign realizing somewhere in episode 2 I think, after putting off even bothering to see episode 1 for a few days because I had hardly any interest at all, that "hey...I'm actually kind of liking this". Something I hadn't firmly thought since like S4 of GOT.
Who holds the Stepstones again?
crab gang
Yes. It revived the brand for a reason. Even people who hated the end of thrones liked this.
Only thing I didn't like was how Rhaenyra felt like a completely different character after the timeskip. I get they wanted to show her as more hardened but they completely took away every endearing trait she had. It's makes me not want to root for her when she goes against the status quo when previously I was all for whatever she wanted.
The greens are not allowed to wear black anymore it’s reserved for the blacks now I guess. The brown looks a little strange on Aemond, makes him look less menacing.
Can’t wait for Rooks Rest bros.
What am I looking at?
Dragonfire victims, most likely from Meleys. Apparently Vhagar and Aemond burn some deserters from their own side too.
Oh ok, thanks anon.
leaked pics from set anon
F
>Ohhhhh, the ((Maesters))...
>Dude, realistic lighting where you can't see anything LMAO
I'm not having any trouble seeing anything. Fix your brightness.
>whine when everything has bright flat lighting
>whine when everything has realistic shadowed lighting
>Creating a strawman to get angry at.
It's excessively dark. Get over it.
It's not though.
It is. Even on the best OLED HDR televisions it's dark. Get over it.
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Kino channel
>excuse me I have a youtube with a :O face
What a shock, a youtuber told him what to think so now he throws it at random scenes.
It's objectively dark and you are childishly defending a stupid trend because you are still seething about a TV show that ended 4 years ago. You babies act like DnD raped your mother. Get over it.
>randomly claims others are "angry"
Always the sign of a firm argument.
>randomly claims others are "whining"
Always the sign of a firm argument.
I like it.
Meleys or Sunfyre
How do I even find this phenotype?
Just come down here. She looks exactly like my cousin.
Will you put shrimp on the barbie?
Where though?
>STOP LAUGHING AT ME
Not enough Olivia Cooke in this thread. The only reason to watch. You people disappoint me.
Known whore. Literally prostituted by her father, at the command on Maesters.
She is pretty hot but Milly is younger and much much hotter
Daeron or Cregan?
>OH N-
Some people (redditors) just have such a raging hate boner for D&D they will suck off everything about HotD.
I belong to this group but I am not a redditor I just read the books and I like to watch attractive women
>this is what they took from you
uh huh
this my shit all the girls stomp their feet like this[/spoiler[
Low IQ woman detected
The glow of having something new still hasn't worn off. People didn't admit that season 5 was bad until season 8 ended.
What nonsense is this? You're claiming we liked Season 5 as it was airing?
His point is that normies didn't complain about the shitty quality of season 5 whilst it was airing. In fact people were shitting on anyone who had a negative take on the show and it wasn't until the end of season 8 that the YouTube video essays began slowly introducing the idea of the show being bad before the final season. Normies had to be spoon-fed all the various plotholes and massive writing errors for them to even consider this position and even now, to this fucking day, most believe it wasn't D&D's fault because "they ran out of source material". Some of us know the show had errors since season 1 and didn't like how it was handled from season 2 but normies won't, they now believe seasons 1-4 were perfect and will keep that opinion until they see a few video essays breaking down the errors for them.
They don't have opinions of their own, they just download those they see from elsewhere.
Could be a decent Daeron but remember there's a shit tonne of other characters that need to be cast which probably won't since they're cutting everything Rhaenyra isn't involved in in some way.
Where are you seeing the set leaks? Is there some channel or page uploading them?
On Twitter, his name is UnBoxPHD. He keeps turning up to the sets with a drone.
Season 1-3 were pretty solid and although they had issues there was hope it could be salvaged. Season 5 is when the show went beyond the point of no return. That doesn't excuse the missteps in earlier seasons but season 5 solidified all of the criticism against the show.
/got/ started in on S2, never mind 5.
wtf are you talking about, S5 made me drop the show until the last season and binged it all.
its too family drama oriented
on my qd OLED tv if I watch for a while scenes from this show will be nearly pitch black with a few candles until I back out and restart it.
Anyone else?
Which tv? Both Samsung and QD Oleds have that annoying automatic dimming contrast thing, I think you can only disable it in 2023 models
And Sony*
S95B
Yeah, that one has that problem, I think you have to go into the service menu to disable it
Vincent talks about it here at 4:30:
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Did yours came bent btw? Curious because I want to get the s90c
I heard that they bend very easily due to how paper thin they are but mine came straight. Thx bro, Its a nice tv the s90c is good I bet
Mine was straight but I don't think I'd care if it were curved, they say you can only see it from the side.
Is it as beautiful in person as they say?
I gotta say, it looks pretty freaking great, especially the contrast.
I've seen a lot of LCD TVs and they just don't compare.
Software-wise it kinda sucks though, but you get used to it.
What battles did this guy win again? Ironaggers and savages lmaos?
What the fuck is a Rhoynar?
Colloquially known as a river nagger.
wiver
Water bending greeks that got btfo by Dragonfire
Yes but it isn't the same
Reminder that she sucked and fucked the Blue Bard, Jalabhar Xho, and Moonboy for all I know and fapped while her pubescent cousins pleasured various men and that this is canon until Winds comes out.
She's a pure maiden, these lies have been debunked. Also Based Mace canonically won until Winds comes out, which is never will
Why would Simon Silvertongue lie?
But how did she explained to Sansa that womens bodies are very complicated to pleasure and that Tyrion would be good at it. How did she know most men don’t know how to get women off if she hasn’t experienced it?
>womens bodies are very complicated
This isn't even true. All the women I've been with have been really happy by the time I've finished.
Unless she's squirting uncontrollably into your face she's faking bro
>mfw haven't touched a women in 20 years but I know she coomed because she would cry and feel guilty after
They are most likely pretending so they don’t hurt your feelings. There’s this weird thing women get where they get nervous they are taking too long to orgasm especially when he’s asking them if they are about to. So she feels pressured to pretend, a whole bunch of my friends have never orgasmed with their boyfriends but it’s too far into the relationship to be honest and tell him what they actually like. Communication is key from the beginning.
Jokes on you retard. I've never had sex.
You got me anon, but remember that for when you do. Don’t rush her or forget foreplay. Or most importantly don’t try to replicate porn.
>Don’t rush her or forget foreplay.
Don't worry. I'll make let her blow me. I know chicks dig that.
>Also Based Mace canonically won until Winds comes out, which is never will
This and also Stannis will win
Lies invented by Cersei the cow
>Cersei's evidence: direct eye witness put to the question by an educated maester
Marjory's evidence: ???
>guy asks if he should watch series
>everyone immediately posts spoilers
You cunts have no class at all
Muh spoilers
Sorry I'm used to shitting on DnD at every opportunity so sometimes I forget what the OP is
>the book (IQ 8+)
Fuck the Starks.
Is that from Harry Potter? Are you a woman?
It was google's second result. I trust in our AI overlords.
Based Lord Glover.
>didn't choose a side between starkshits and boltonshits
>knelt for jon and said he would be loyal
>didn't bother showing up against the white walkers
>salsa probably won't be able to do anything against him because she has no men
If I enjoyed GoT for the most part, will I like Jane and the Dragon?
>what's a better one?
That he's a cunt who only cares about himself. He only loved Laena and maybe his daughters, he didn't give a shit about anything else and no matter how much the show wants to whitewash him he didn't love Viserys nor Rhaenyra.
>mocks the death of his nephew and cousin
>probably murdered lyonel and harwin strong
>murdered laenor even though his supposed "ally" Corlys would loose his only child left
>gave no fucks about Mysaria after she lost his bastard
>didn't seem to care at all about Jace's death (which has caused thanks to him being an ambitious little cunt)
Daemon is a piece of shit who doesn't care about anyone
Found the insane, unhinged Aemond fag who always ruins these threads.
No. Aemond is another psycho, who the show is whitewashing the fuck out of it, best thing that Daemon did was to make this one eyed cunt be scared before he died
I don’t think they will whitewash him anymore than they have. They just wanted to give him more of a backstory instead of being an anime villain straight off the bat.
What are you talking about?
It's funny how most showwatchers really defended S5 and started the whole "books are books and show is show" or "nooo they "adapted" all five books its grrm fault" bullcrap. Better yet that when S8 released and they didn't get their preferred ending to their favorite characters they started complaining and going "noooo why is the show so bad now???" "d&d bad guys" "i miss s1 and its politics"
That's literally a quote from GRRM. Season 1 is a perfect adaptation because the structure of the story is relatively simple to follow with an objective central character. Beyond that the world is completely open both in terms of story and character so devoting screentime to the lore of every single plot point or character motivation like in the books isnt possible. Bookfags just like to complain without even really knowing what they're complaining about beyond "hurr it different!"
cute ladies
>I fought, I lost, now I rest.
Do you think they are filming Jace and Sara banging in the forest in this location? Baela fans are extremely upset about Sara Snow.
>Baela fans
Black women, just say black women.
What were they thinking? They are going to have Jace cheat on a black woman with a white women.
HotD is peak GoT. Like before D&D thought they could write it without GRRM
Kys ahill
Are the shills in the room with you right now?
definitely. there's some naggers in it, but i enjoyed it more than the last half of GoT
Ground control to /got/hotd/