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who are you quoting?
Chris Black person obviously
lmao and checked
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Find me an actual quote or stop getting upset because Nolan didn't do what he didn't say he'd do.
Bless this thread.
The N. is political
Two-Face always seems like a villain to me with a kino but short shelf life. Read The Long Halloween the other day and that impression hasn't been shook. Always seems to me like you have a story where Harvey Dent falls and goes put away for the first time, then a story where Two-Face escapes and emerges again (to do something like trying to get revenge on a mobster or some monster from his time as DA), to only get thwarted again, and then his arc should be actually be rehabilitated entirely. He was a good sane man once. Have him fall and then either die (like Nolan did) or redeem himself and become a Batman ally again afterwards. Two-Face running around robbing banks with a split personality generically evil loon is lesser than Dent having some trafic fall from grace and being a guy that's lost his way temporarily. Works much better when he's like Freeze who's lost instead of iredeemable shit like Joker.
Two face is literally the worst villain in all of Batman, maybe in all of comic books
>Welcome to the Legion of Doom auditions mister... Two-Face, is it?
>So, what can you tell me about your powers?
Well, as you can see I'm horrifically burned
>Well you certainly DO look scary, but that isn't really a "power" per se, in fact it's more of a liability
Well... I also have this gun right here.
>That's it? No super speed or telepathic powers? Is it a freeze ray or something?
No it's just, like, a gun.
>Oh... uh... so what's the coin for?
Well basically I point my gun at people and I flip the coin, and if it's tails I shoot them with the gun
>What happens if it lands on heads?
Oh, then I just do nothing and I usually run away, even if I want to shoot them I can't if the coin says I can't
>Wow so it's a magic coin of some kind that decides their fate?
No the coin isn't magic, I'm just really obsessive-compulsive about it
>So there's a 50% chance you won't even do anything evil?
Yes, I suppose that's mathematically correct
>We'll be in touch Mister Face
He really seems like he needs to shine twice as bright for half as long. Great for one or two small scale stories before he either dies or gets redeemed, but it's not in his makeup to be a recurring guy like Joker.
awful take
most reddit post itt
he's just a street level crook give him a break
I disagree but I keked at this text,quite creative. bye
His appeal is the split personality disorder. There's glimpses of what Harvey Dent used to be that sets him apart from Joker or other clear-cut villains.
I liked the dialogue he had with Batman in Arkham Knight. You could tell he doesn't want to be what he is but he has no choice.
isnt he as smart as batman? but crazier than joker?
Joker is a highly functional form of controlled chaos. His unpredictability is how he has managed to one-up Batman multiple times. Harvey in comparison has a specific set of rules to his character and Bruce can utilize that to his disadvantage. His biggest weakness by far is that his Harvey Dent persona is exploitable.
Based knower.
What's your opinion on the Joker being a vet theory?
perfect
nolan joker at least is obviously some ex cia spook
It's likely he's ex-military of some kind, but I prefer it not being known. One aspect of Nolan's approach I liked is that the Joker told a different origin story each time. I don't think it's necessary he be humanized or made sympathetic.
I liked that too. I remember the first time I saw it and the joker told his origin story at the beginning. I didn't like it. Then he told a different version later and got what Nolan did. It was great.
Joker is always a Cinemaphilener.
Joker has a social life. He's a normie fr fr
That can be said for the vast majority of Batman's villains tho.
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While I can understand why you guys find villains like Two-Face lame, you're not really appreciating the era he came from. Back then, comics tried to be a lot more "realistic" with their villains. The bad guys in comics like spiderman or batman didn't have super powers. They were just bad people. The comics were meant to be uplifting to regular citizens showing crooks, burglars, thieves, extortionists, and gang members getting beaten up and put in prison by a superhero. The medium wasn't yet some escapist fantasy with big wacky powers.
That's the era Two-Face comes from. That's why he's just some lame guy with a gun and a personality quirk to you. Because back then, the personality quirks were what separated the comic villains and Two-Face, compared to most of them, had an original idea.
If you don't believe me, check out any early superhero comics. It's all just them capturing bank robbers and such. Then it eventually morphed into superheroes vs the criminally very intelligent(corrupt doctors, super rich people, scientists etc). The whole superhero vs supervillain with actual superpowers thing being the norm took decades to happen.
You're right about the earliest superhero stuff having more regular crooks and mobsters, but even Batman was facing off against superpowered beings as early as pic related, where Batman fights a Monk who turns out to be a vampire. That kind of sci-fi/horror pulp stuff was always present in the DNA of superheroes, even from the start. As superhero comics really took off the ground, the creators cottoned on pretty quickly to the fact that supervillains were equally as appealing to readers as the heroes. The Joker was introduced in Batman #1 and he started making return appearances very soon after that.
Ordinary criminals featured most frequently as opponents in the Golden Age, and into the 60s and 70s you'd still get some here and there for the more street level heroes. But by and large, supervillains (or just full-on supernatural/extra-terrestrial) threats were already becoming the regular bad guy of choice from the 50s onwards. As a non-Batman example, Spider-Man fought aliens in his second issue and most of his notable supervillains were created in the first 2-3 years of his existence. He still took out regular criminals every issue or so, but the main threat was more frequently a supervillain and mobsters would only be the villain rarely. Though honestly, the balance between regular villain and supervillain is more or less completely gone from modern capeshit. I can't even remember the last time Spider-Man did something as simple as just stop a mugging.
I actually really like the few mobster villains who are still around and able to tussle with the superpowered guys. Two-Face, the Falcone crime family, Black Mask, and Kingpin from Marvel, all these guys are really cool to me. It's nice to see "normal" dudes playing in the big leagues.
I like it too but I think the reason why people don't like those characters as much as Joker or other villains is that those characters are harder to modernize. Most Americans born past 1980 have never really dealt with mob style gangsters. Modern gangster exposure is mostly minorities. So Two-Face is kind of outdated. Batman Forever tried to modernize him but failed and he just comes off as unhinged and underdeveloped. Nolan leaned heavily into the DA side of his character and I think did fine there but the criminal side is still underwhelming.
Joker, on the other hand, plays much better to a modern audience because his style of a chaos focused anarchist is much easier to envision for a modern audience. How do you modernize Two-Face as a villain so his dated coin gimmick doesn't come off as dated but he has something similar that stays true to his basic character and story? The concept of sparing someone on a coin flip just doesn't fly with modern audiences and it makes the villain seem stupid.
>How do you modernize Two-Face as a villain so his dated coin gimmick doesn't come off as dated but he has something similar that stays true to his basic character and story?
Maybe it could work in a way similar to what happened in the movie, with him hunting down criminals on a crusade for vengeance. The coin toss would only be used before each attack or something, idk. It could be for stopping himself from acting violent intrusive thoughts. Nothing about robbing banks or leading a gang. Just him, his coin and a gun, still alive and walking by the power of hate and anger.
>actually being fooled by the coin act
>not realising that he's using a simple magician's sleight of hand to make it say what he wants it to say
That's the reason why he always uses a coin that's incredibly scratched up on one side, because that makes it much easier to tell which side is which. The coin is just a representation of which side of him is winning when he makes the decision.
Reddit take, which is saying a lot as all capeshit is reddit trash.
Batman at its best has no supernatural shit. Batman is just a guy in a suit, Joker is just a weird psycho, Dent is just a guy with a gun, Penguin is just a short guy with a lot of money.
The conflict doesn't come from who has the highest powerlevel and what kind of reality bending Marvel superpowers they have. The conflict comes from ideas and individual acts of cruelty.
Two Face is one of the better villains. He has an interesting gimmick, a good backstory of being this force for good turned evil. The coin flip isn't ''I'll shoot you...or I won't shoot you.'' There is no good side. Even the brainlet Nolan got this right in the movie when Two Face flips the coin and it lands on the wrong side he just shoots the driver. The coin flip is more like him deciding if he will take the direct sadistic route or he will take the route of a warped morality where he trusts luck or some weird vigilante justice to achieve what he wants.
Batman could potentially be a good property if it stuck to Batman and the core 3-4 villains, but then it gets into the truly shit villains like clayface, all the Alice in Wonderland characters, the shitty muslim characters who can't die because they take a bath etc. These shit Batman movies/games/comics also turn Batman into a supernatural being when the entire point is that he is just a guy.
> all the Alice in Wonderland characters
Mad Hatter is very much someone who could be portrayed in a realistic way. In fact, it's about time they do it.
>the shitty muslim characters who can't die because they take a bath
ironically, Begins did the most realistic take on Ras
Are the Penguin and the Joker known for their crazy powers? That's not unusual for a Batman villain.
Based
Hey two face, how to you respond without sounding mad at pic related?
Two-Face's best comic story is in The Dark Knight Returns, it's kino and you should read it if you haven't. The work as a whole is probably the best Batman in general in fact.
Still so mad that Year One has been perverted by BLM
You forgot one other stock Two-Face story
>he gets plastic surgery and therapy, is seemingly fixed, and then inevitably goes off the rails again
My favourite version of that one is Bruce Timm's 'Two of a Kind'. Absolutely brilliant little comic, I read it as a kid in this big History of Batman book I had and it's stuck in the back of my mind ever since. Go find and read it if you haven't already, though it turns out there's also a motion comic for it if you aren't the reading type: https://youtu.be/2Dz1hLakegU
that's actually how it went in the golden age.
Harvey rehabs in the 40s and stays that way, with multiple copycat killers emerging.
The hole in the burned nose bothers me more than anything else. It literally bothers me
I didn't see TDK in theatres and paid it no real attention when it came out. Was it known he'd become Two-Face in the movie, his burnt appearance was in marketing, etc. or was it a bit of a surprise for him to go full Two-Face when you first watched the film?
nta but yes, I was surprised
It's almost like his name was Harvey Two Face Dent, or something
You're trying to be a smug smartass but you're only making yourself look stupid.
none of the marketing had it. none.the actor hinted that it was horrible on interviews
when i saw it i shit myself. i got really freaked out
I thought they were saving Two-Face for the next movie
No one knew ANYTHING about the film until the Joker IMAX intro came out.
Do you know Deus Ex Human Revolution? Basically the same thing.
But yes, Eckhart is still underrated.
Man that initial TDK trailer was hype. I remember being in high school and watching it on repeat. EVERYONE was clowning the Ledger casting, and when the trailer came out we all knew the movie would be 100% kino
Also, Rachel dying was / still is a huge surprise in the movie and cape shit in general. Movie needs more credit for that
It was hinted at in the trailers, with the gasoline pouring on his face. Also, shortly before the film released there was a clip of him as two face (the bar scene) but cut before revealing his face
The trailers showed picture related, you could see he was burned and acting like a bad guy
They didn't reveal his burned face until the actual movie. I remember a woman screaming when I saw it the first time, no one expect it to be so fricking horrible
As the other anons said, the trailer showed you Eckhart as Dent and you got a brief glimpse of his face laying in gasoline, but none of the burns were ever shown or leaked and I think most people though it was just set up for the next movie. I remember the entire theater was shocked when they showed his burned face, and I dont think people expected two-face to actually be a villain the way he was at the end of the movie.
It's really his story, he's the character who goes through the emotional arc and changes at the end.
iirc correctly the whole sequence involving the warehouses was kept under wraps. People know Harvey and what was coming but they didn't know how or when.
Hack
That is all
>Trying to drag Eckhart into the mud
>When was the (2nd) best thing in the trilogy
Eric Roberts was the first, of course.
Eckhart was great. The tone deaf CGI was not.
Didn't even make a lot of sense with the whole "grounded" approach of the film. Would have looked a lot better if it was just bandages and blood and what's underneath was left to the imagination.
>batman doesnt kill anybody
>but he has no problem with turning you into a paraplegic lol
>Guy kidnaps you
>Blows up your gf
>Burns half of you in a vat of acid
>Get saved
>Survive and go to hospital
>You have a gun to the head of the guy that blew up your gf and burned you in acid
>"RAAAAAGH you know who really makes me angry?"
>"BATMAN I'm mad at BATMAN for all of this, this is all TOTALLY 100% HIS FAULT!"
How the frick did you guys watch this and think it was a good movie?
Cup guy from Lost made it pretty clear. Dent was just a cog, and he died as a cog.
The coin said no
>NAHHHHOHHH NOT MEEEE WHY ARE YOU COMING FOR ME
It was decided on a coin toss, anon.
>but that's crazy
Yes, he's crazy.
He literally went after everyone involved in Rachel's death, including the Joker, and flipped the coin for every one of them.
>Cinemaphile worshipped this movie for years
I still don't know how they managed to make the third act of this film so embarrassing
I recall Matthew Modine's death being very embarrassing.
It's because they cut the shot of him being run over for being too violent, Nolan chasing lower age rating to maxx his studio clout has harmed his films the past decade on balance, it's also why Dunkirk is so bloodless
Kek, 11 years later and I finally understand him dying in that fricking pose with zero blood/gunshot wounds on him.
It was worshipped ironically. There's such a weird disjoint between the movies. TDK drops the kino feel Batman Begins developed for Gotham as well as having RAAACHEEEEL played by an ugly pug of a woman. TDKR that has a fricking absurdly huge/over the top scale. Guess we'll forever have to mourn the film that never existed cause Ledger died - make no mistake, Oscar win or not, his performance would have been acclaimed and Warner would have pressured Nolan hard to make Joker important in act 3. Hardy's Bane probably only exists cause Ledger died.
>Guess we'll forever have to mourn the film that never existed cause Ledger died - make no mistake, Oscar win or not, his performance would have been acclaimed and Warner would have pressured Nolan hard to make Joker important in act 3. Hardy's Bane probably only exists cause Ledger died.
Didn't Nolan and Goyer fully confirm that the third film would've involved the Joker no matter what?
Someone post the webm
>Didn't Nolan and Goyer fully confirm that the third film would've involved the Joker no matter what?
They also lied about how the French actress wouldn't be Talia. At any rate, I think it's total fricking horseshit. They had a vested interest in making people think they weren't losing out on something else and that one man's death impacted nothing. Ledger gave a performance that would have been acclaimed even if he had never died and even had lines like how Batman and him were destined to fight each other forever. He may have been only a Hannibal Lecter-esque advisor from Arkham, but he would have been very much present in the last movie. If not Nolan/Goyer/Ledger realising how much they had struck gold, then definitely Warner making it a condition for Ledger to return in order for Nolan to pursue other projects with his own creative freedom
>Didn't Nolan and Goyer fully confirm that the third film would've involved the Joker no matter what?
I remember that bane will leave joker locked in arkham, The Joker was supposed to be another follower of the league of shadows but he went rogue, like Batman.
I feel like Bats would be forced to team up with joker to take down Bane. They both need Gotham.
I question Hardy's Bane even existing in a world where Ledger survived.
I still love this movie and I don't care who knows it.
Nolan's Batman was always goofy.
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best cape trilogy of all time
>*blocks your path*
Even with Spider-Man 3 being a clear step down, it's still better than TDKR.
Ahem.
Settle down sweeties
More like boring
Remember in Batman Begins when the bad guy's plan was to put SPOOPY FEAR JUICE in the water supply and then vaporize it?
Chemical warfare
You can't deny that it feels like a devious plan from a saturday morning cartoon
Saturday morning cartoons were inspired by real events
Nolan's take is cartoony as hell, just dressed up as realistic. The ending of TDKR is literally a callback to "some days you just can't get rid of a bomb".
What should his plan have been? Only focus on Batman? Taking out the entire city seems a lot more damaging
Would you?
>hilary swank
With no hesitation
It was pretty evident from the Batman Begins that it was "realistic" with the quotations.
people have lived through worse
>that
>living
Damn, Dagoth Ur's going after everyone now.
Is that an Ash Vampire?
That isn't worse. His mucas membranes healed over. That terrible CGI thing would be infected all the time.
Harvey rejected treatments and died within a day
Pretty sure Nolan is on record saying his intention for Batman trilogy is making a larger than life modern myth type story, not realistic anything. Him using all the no power villains is just for the practical effects.
I doubt he said that but if you have an interview I'd check it out. Nolan's Batman is the most grounded one there is.
A realistic burn would be more survivable than Harvey's lel.
>Capeshit
>Realistic
>N.
whats the N stand for
Neo
Dude. What the frick is wrong with you?
This is not okay. I just.. I can't even.
We need to unpack this. What went wrong with your life? You're hurting inside and we can all see that. Why would you post such an image on a work safe board intended for children to discuss films safety with each other?
It's honestly disgusting
>for children
You pedo, you wish there were children here to abuse and coerce huh? I'm on to you now.
What's the alternative for a 'realistic Two-Face? Do you make him like mentally ill and the disfigurement is like a small burn patch on his cheek that he sees as disfiguring an entire half of his face?
My headcanon for this shit design is that they considered making Two-Face look like an actual burn victim but ultimately decided that it would be disrespectful.
I remeber reading they wanted it to be more disturbing and realistic looking in the film initially but decided not to. Of course, this might be a cope after the fact and everyone saw how goofy it looked.
No one said/thought it was goofy at the time. Most thought it was really well done. Something too graphic would have pushed it further into PG-13 territory.
Remember, before this the only well known Two Face was from Batman Forever. This was a huge step up
I wish I could find the pic of the original makeup job. It was realistic but was considered too unsettling so they went with the over the top look instead. It was like a more graphic version of The Hound from Game of Thrones at first.