>tombstone is the capeshit version.
Eh, I rewatched it around the same time I rewatched Unforgiven and I can see why you would think this but Tombstone is still miles above any dreck these days, capeshit or no.
Holliday was a cult of personality, he didn't have to anything he just had to play up to the myth. Everyone back then believed he was a deadly gunslinger.
Even in the movie he stabs a guy over a poker game, what they don't show is that his brother shows up and threatens to kill him if his brother dies, his brother dies and he leaves in an emotional state to find doc, doc is waiting and shoots him in the back of the head.
Holliday and the Earp's were protected by the Texas Rangers which were bigger than the entire US military at the time. The Pinkerton's were the federal governments answer to diminish Texan influence.
He's the likely killer of at least four people but his reputation at the time for killing dozens of people is likely bullshit, most likely peddled by himself.
>giving a drunk doc holliday a shotgun to disarm some hungover cattle drivers
There is a reason why doc and the earps were outlaws for awhile because Doc Holliday literally murdered a guy unprovoked with the shotgun and started the shoot out at the OK Corall.
Kurt Russel is still pissed about being upstaged in Tombstone. He walked off set when he was supposed to kill Johnny Ringo, so they wrote Val Kilmer in.
Kurt Russel isn't a good actor, and you can tell in the later half of the movie he was hamming it up. Val Kilmer isn't a good actor either, but he nailed it even with his terrible southern accent.
He walked off the set and refused to do the shoot out with Ringo, he made them re-write the script for Val Kilmer who was just supposed to be a supporting actor.
Is that true? That might explain why the actual shoot out part of that scene feels poorly directed. Might have been rushed with not enough time for planning.
It definitely feels like that's where it's building to. Just odd that it wasn't originally written that way and I do think after their initial confrontation, which is great, the scene is really poorly shot, especially after Ringo is shot. The music doesn't complement the scene and the shot they use of Doc beside Ringo for such a moment is really weak.
it's obvious bullshit. the reason half the film is poorly directed is because they fired the first director and Russel essentially took over and marionette'd the replacement.
>Kurt Russel is still pissed about being upstaged in Tombstone. He walked off set when he was supposed to kill Johnny Ringo, so they wrote Val Kilmer in
how do actors really know if they are upstaged by anyone before a movie is even finished and released yet? sounds like a fake story by valheads
Kurt Russel badically directed it and is the only reason so many big names signed on to do a western movie when it was a dead genre, it did horrible in the box office but great in the rentals.
what does that have to do exactly with what im asking? youre saying he couldnt have been mad at val since hes the one who helped direct him and have him the shootout role?
Complete bullshit. Russel personally cut half of his lines out of the script so that all the other characters could shine more, and it was the right decision for the movie. Could you imagine if the Cowboys, the Earp brothers, or Doc Holliday barely got any screentime and we're just glorified cameos in the Wyatt Earp-focused movie the studio wanted to make? It would've tanked. Kurt Russell saved the movie.
Kurt was relatively big but on the lower end of the A tier action stars behind Arnie and Sly.
Val Kilmer was one of those actors that was always on the precipice of breaking out due to his talent but he was seriously not well liked in Hollywood due to being such a diva butthole.
Michael Beihn seemed like a guy that would go on to better things but just never did.
Bill Paxton was likeable but always a supporting role. What was his biggest starring role didn't come until a few years later and he still never made it to the A list.
Billy Bob and Billy Zane were complete unknowns at that point.
Basically it was just really canny casting, rather than looking for the biggest stars they looked at the next rung down and cast all the guys from that who could genuinely play the roles well.
It's a joke that Val Kilmer wasn't nominated for best supporting actor but it was a very tough year and he was very unliked.
Yeah but I figured I covered it with the mains and >rather than looking for the biggest stars they looked at the next rung down and cast all the guys from that who could genuinely play the roles well
Michael Rooker was recognisable from one role 7 years ago but was never really able to step out of it
Powers Boothe and Sam Elliot were recognisable but really on tv actors only at that point
Thomas Haden Church was a complete unknown
Sources say when asked why he left out Frank Stallone, younger brother of Hollywood superstar, Sylvester Stallone, Anon simply replied, "because he's Frank Stallone."
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Anonymous
Well played.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Frank had nothing but kind things to say about him and he even liked the jokes but his brother asked him to knock it off and so he did because he started boxing and people were trying to kill him in the ring
Sad
Holy shit, you weren't joking. Back in the 90's Billy Zane was a rising star that got over exposed and got type cast as a sociopathic handsome villain in everything.
Sam Elliot was a big name but got typecast into westerns, everyone else it was their breakout rolls other than the mains. Billy Bob Thornton was a nobody, Powers Boothe eh never was anything until Deadwood, Jason Presley was a huge star from Beverly Hills 90210 but his movie career fizzled out, But there are so many cameos in that movie it boggles the mind. Charelton Heston was in it.
Spain was originally white. The remnants are still there in some bloodlines. You will still be remembered as white until you're completely muttified which will probably be after the USA.
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Anonymous
Yes, I know but you only consider us white when you can drag us down with your guilt. We don't have any guilt and are proud of our history.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>We don't have any guilt and are proud of our history.
Good and you should be.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>We don't have any guilt and are proud of our history.
Are you including the period in which your territory was called Al-Andalus?
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Anonymous
>confusing regret with guilt
Fricking Anglo trash thinking, fricking colonized by israelites
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm not Spanish but they did eventually reconquer their capture lands as well as kick out all the israelites for their role.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I dunno you drove out the muzzies and conquered the aztecs and incans with a handful of determined men, that's kind of cool. But you couldn't conquer portugal
What the frick are you talking about? >powers boothe >Spaniards are white >random autism
Huh?
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Anonymous
Powers Boothe is a Spaniard, that's what the 'white' conquistadors looked like when they were making mexicans after conquering the aztecs and incans.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>'making mexicans'
Please elaborate...
2 years ago
Anonymous
>>'making mexicans' >Please elaborate...
2 years ago
Anonymous
a bunch of exiles from spain survived a half a year on a boat and couldn't wait to put their dick inside someone else than each other, because if they were caught being gays they would be burned alive at the stake.
2 years ago
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I'm moving to Spain
2 years ago
Anonymous
You are downplaying the part where a relatively handful of men fought battles against an overwhelming greater force and won. Conquistadors were extremely lucky.
2 years ago
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I forgot that Spain existed
2 years ago
Anonymous
You don't want us as enemies, we have never been conquered, now go do what your wife tells you before she frick some other guy (or gal, or trans person)
Yeah, I remember reading he would show up drunk even back on Terminator and got sued by some production for fricking up or not showing up due to being constantly drunk but his performances were always solid. Can't be unreliable though. As Gandolfini, Grammer and Sheen showed they'll put up with you being a drunk or degenerate provided you still show up on time and knock out a good performance.
Yeah, you look it.
I'm your Huckleberry.
I'm your Dingleberry
I was just foolin about
I wasn't
alright lunger!
When my dad was dying from lung problems, he always liked quoting this scene with me.
he was making a joke about his declining heath
im your sneedleberry
Doc posting is based and I'm tired of pretending that it's not.
I for one am glad the zoomers are discovering quality kino in this era of cinematic dogshit.
Tombstone is trash.
poor soul, you are just too high strung
Daisy status: nil
Don't mind this guy he's just foolin' about
I wasn't
Hear that darlin? That means our anon is an educated man. Now I really hate him.
Heh, read it in his voice
agreed. costner's is better. tombstone is the capeshit version. Quaid was a better doc also.
>contrarian enters the chat for (You)s
you smoke skin wagons.
>tombstone is the capeshit version.
Eh, I rewatched it around the same time I rewatched Unforgiven and I can see why you would think this but Tombstone is still miles above any dreck these days, capeshit or no.
>Quaid was a better doc also.
You can prefer the other film but that's just horseshit.
I'm not your huckleberry
Why anon, what an ugly thing to say.
you're trash
If we can't be friend, I just don't think I could bare it.
Who was pretending it wasn't? Doc Holiday has always been based as frick
Doc Holliday only killed one person, and it was cold blooded murder.
Holliday was a cult of personality, he didn't have to anything he just had to play up to the myth. Everyone back then believed he was a deadly gunslinger.
Proofs?
Even in the movie he stabs a guy over a poker game, what they don't show is that his brother shows up and threatens to kill him if his brother dies, his brother dies and he leaves in an emotional state to find doc, doc is waiting and shoots him in the back of the head.
Holliday and the Earp's were protected by the Texas Rangers which were bigger than the entire US military at the time. The Pinkerton's were the federal governments answer to diminish Texan influence.
He's the likely killer of at least four people but his reputation at the time for killing dozens of people is likely bullshit, most likely peddled by himself.
There is truth in shitposting.
>giving a drunk doc holliday a shotgun to disarm some hungover cattle drivers
There is a reason why doc and the earps were outlaws for awhile because Doc Holliday literally murdered a guy unprovoked with the shotgun and started the shoot out at the OK Corall.
>literally murdered a guy unprovoked with the shotgun and started the shoot out at the OK Corall
Holy based
Shut up, Ike.
I thought that was apparent in the movie, they make the Earp's out to be good bois and the Cowboys to be morons
He was being ironic.
You're not wearing a bustle, you're no daisy, you'll never be a woman
Why did he call her a hung aryan devil?
All right chudger! You're on!
>You're not wearing a bustle
How rude
Fight's not with you Janny!
That’s just my game
>my names Dick, Crawley Dick
Was there really a historical person with that name or was that just written in for fun?
Kurt Russel is still pissed about being upstaged in Tombstone. He walked off set when he was supposed to kill Johnny Ringo, so they wrote Val Kilmer in.
Kurt Russel isn't a good actor, and you can tell in the later half of the movie he was hamming it up. Val Kilmer isn't a good actor either, but he nailed it even with his terrible southern accent.
Forked zoomer
Kurt Russel ghost directed the movie.
He walked off the set and refused to do the shoot out with Ringo, he made them re-write the script for Val Kilmer who was just supposed to be a supporting actor.
Is that true? That might explain why the actual shoot out part of that scene feels poorly directed. Might have been rushed with not enough time for planning.
I'm glad that they did, the set up through out the whole movie would have been fricked if it wasn't doc vs ringo.
It definitely feels like that's where it's building to. Just odd that it wasn't originally written that way and I do think after their initial confrontation, which is great, the scene is really poorly shot, especially after Ringo is shot. The music doesn't complement the scene and the shot they use of Doc beside Ringo for such a moment is really weak.
it's obvious bullshit. the reason half the film is poorly directed is because they fired the first director and Russel essentially took over and marionette'd the replacement.
Wasn't the director the father of the director of Mandy?
yes and the money he made from Tombstone is how his son financed his first film Beyond the Black Rainbow
I'm no genealogist senpai
>Kurt Russel is still pissed about being upstaged in Tombstone. He walked off set when he was supposed to kill Johnny Ringo, so they wrote Val Kilmer in
how do actors really know if they are upstaged by anyone before a movie is even finished and released yet? sounds like a fake story by valheads
Kurt Russel badically directed it and is the only reason so many big names signed on to do a western movie when it was a dead genre, it did horrible in the box office but great in the rentals.
what does that have to do exactly with what im asking? youre saying he couldnt have been mad at val since hes the one who helped direct him and have him the shootout role?
I don't fricking know, I didn't even have pubes when it came out. I was playing with my super soaker 2000 you stupid gimp
Now, anon... just settle down!
You get the drain cone, I'll get the blender
Oooohhhh you need an asshile milkshake
HBO bought it after release for $100 million and played it ad nauseum for years.
Complete bullshit. Russel personally cut half of his lines out of the script so that all the other characters could shine more, and it was the right decision for the movie. Could you imagine if the Cowboys, the Earp brothers, or Doc Holliday barely got any screentime and we're just glorified cameos in the Wyatt Earp-focused movie the studio wanted to make? It would've tanked. Kurt Russell saved the movie.
How did they afford that cast for a western though? Were they not big names back then?
Kurt was relatively big but on the lower end of the A tier action stars behind Arnie and Sly.
Val Kilmer was one of those actors that was always on the precipice of breaking out due to his talent but he was seriously not well liked in Hollywood due to being such a diva butthole.
Michael Beihn seemed like a guy that would go on to better things but just never did.
Bill Paxton was likeable but always a supporting role. What was his biggest starring role didn't come until a few years later and he still never made it to the A list.
Billy Bob and Billy Zane were complete unknowns at that point.
Basically it was just really canny casting, rather than looking for the biggest stars they looked at the next rung down and cast all the guys from that who could genuinely play the roles well.
It's a joke that Val Kilmer wasn't nominated for best supporting actor but it was a very tough year and he was very unliked.
Michael Beihn and Bill Paxton only were famouse because they were good friends with James Cameron. They were nobodies
Literally everyone in Hollywood gets their start because they know somebody.
You left out a few names. That cast was completely stacked
Yeah but I figured I covered it with the mains and
>rather than looking for the biggest stars they looked at the next rung down and cast all the guys from that who could genuinely play the roles well
Michael Rooker was recognisable from one role 7 years ago but was never really able to step out of it
Powers Boothe and Sam Elliot were recognisable but really on tv actors only at that point
Thomas Haden Church was a complete unknown
You left out a little actor named FRANK STALLONE YOU FRICKING homosexual
Sources say when asked why he left out Frank Stallone, younger brother of Hollywood superstar, Sylvester Stallone, Anon simply replied, "because he's Frank Stallone."
Well played.
>Frank had nothing but kind things to say about him and he even liked the jokes but his brother asked him to knock it off and so he did because he started boxing and people were trying to kill him in the ring
Sad
Holy shit, you weren't joking. Back in the 90's Billy Zane was a rising star that got over exposed and got type cast as a sociopathic handsome villain in everything.
Sam Elliot was a big name but got typecast into westerns, everyone else it was their breakout rolls other than the mains. Billy Bob Thornton was a nobody, Powers Boothe eh never was anything until Deadwood, Jason Presley was a huge star from Beverly Hills 90210 but his movie career fizzled out, But there are so many cameos in that movie it boggles the mind. Charelton Heston was in it.
Billy Bob was a drug dealer that is a scary person irl that scared some producer into giving him a role.
>gave prime Angelina Jolie herpes while she was married to Brad Pitt
what a chad
Jason Priestley was in this movie? I have seen this movie dozens of times and don't know who he was.
>Powers Boothe
Why do Americans hate Spaniards, but include us as 'white' when it is convenient in your srlf-imposed guilt? We have no guilt.
Spain was originally white. The remnants are still there in some bloodlines. You will still be remembered as white until you're completely muttified which will probably be after the USA.
Yes, I know but you only consider us white when you can drag us down with your guilt. We don't have any guilt and are proud of our history.
>We don't have any guilt and are proud of our history.
Good and you should be.
>We don't have any guilt and are proud of our history.
Are you including the period in which your territory was called Al-Andalus?
>confusing regret with guilt
Fricking Anglo trash thinking, fricking colonized by israelites
I'm not Spanish but they did eventually reconquer their capture lands as well as kick out all the israelites for their role.
I dunno you drove out the muzzies and conquered the aztecs and incans with a handful of determined men, that's kind of cool. But you couldn't conquer portugal
What the frick are you talking about?
>powers boothe
>Spaniards are white
>random autism
Huh?
Powers Boothe is a Spaniard, that's what the 'white' conquistadors looked like when they were making mexicans after conquering the aztecs and incans.
>'making mexicans'
Please elaborate...
>>'making mexicans'
>Please elaborate...
a bunch of exiles from spain survived a half a year on a boat and couldn't wait to put their dick inside someone else than each other, because if they were caught being gays they would be burned alive at the stake.
I'm moving to Spain
You are downplaying the part where a relatively handful of men fought battles against an overwhelming greater force and won. Conquistadors were extremely lucky.
I forgot that Spain existed
You don't want us as enemies, we have never been conquered, now go do what your wife tells you before she frick some other guy (or gal, or trans person)
Good post
>Michael Beihn seemed like a guy that would go on to better things but just never did.
He was/is a big time alkie.
He was literally the character he played in The Abyss
He drinks like a fish
Yeah, I remember reading he would show up drunk even back on Terminator and got sued by some production for fricking up or not showing up due to being constantly drunk but his performances were always solid. Can't be unreliable though. As Gandolfini, Grammer and Sheen showed they'll put up with you being a drunk or degenerate provided you still show up on time and knock out a good performance.
He was James Cameron's pool boy, same with Bill Paxton.
Harrison Ford was George Lucas' cabinet maker. Gotta get your foot in the door somehow.
If he can put some violent pressure repeatedly on the prostate against your will, may as well go to prison
Hello Alex.
you were late, it's over you fricking redditor.
>James Cameron's pool
it was product placement for Amazon Prime.
Watching Tombstone makes me want to drink but I've been sober for 6 months so just avoid it.
Is that the laudinum that Loo gave you?
>Johnny Ringo was actually an educated man irl
I thought this was fiction
A catholic priests favorite frick hole orphan
Rip Johnny's ring hole
he was 31 years old. a prime number.
>you know.. Frederic fricking Chopin
Just rewatched Tombstone again last night. This part made me almost dry heave laughing for some reason.
Hey loving man... you've been called.
t. get's upset when challenged to a spelling contest
>hell Doc I got plenty of friends
(You) don't
Are we witnessing an international brat battle on 4chins? Hahahahaha
Eh, all of the sniffing I can find points at you (You)ing yourself
>port sniffing is still a thing
It's not
Oh, just think you are talking about Natalie Portman's butthole.
Cinemaphile is dead because of morons like you, I have been banned more than 1k times.
There is no hope beyond this post. See ya soon.
Good luck
You will be charged with any bullet your mercs fire. They prefer to kill people that don't shoot back.
If you have a nice day we will go after your wife and kids.
>posting threats on Cinemaphile
Just how incompetent are you fricking morons? You are probably pissing off more people than I have.
I just chalked you up as a schizo. Now I am gonna get my 1337 hackers to doxx you and get to the bottom of this situation. Fricking morons
Val was a real kino factory when he was cast right and wasn't in a mood with the director. Shame about what happened to him
Hell Doc, you are so drunk you are probably seeing two of me.
I've got three wieners, one for each of your orfices
Good thread