I'm not the one to complain about "fake fans" but how is NO ONE bringing up the fact this movie has a moronic plot online
I'm not the one to complain about "fake fans" but how is NO ONE bringing up the fact this movie has a moronic plot online
I'm not the one to complain about "fake fans" but how is NO ONE bringing up the fact this movie has a moronic plot online
All capeshit has moronic plots so nobody noticed
Yeah but this one is REALLY fucking stupid, it's like Zod's snapped neck times 10000, people talked about that
Whats stupid about it?
It reinforces the notion that modern writers have no life experiences and only consoom media and can only write about consooming media. The plot is that the universe recognizes that all Spider-Men fictional characters that are variations of the same story and if a Spider-Man tries to avoid “canon” story events, then their universe is destroyed. It’s a fourth wall breaking premise where central conflict is recognizing these are fictional characters fighting against the need to adhere to mandatory plot points enforced by the writers acting as God.
Based anon, the "plot" is absolutely retarded when you think about it for 2 seconds
I can suspend my disbelief for Miles having spider dna from a different universe causing problems, but the fact that there's "canon" that people are somehow aware of and Spider-man's existance is literally essential to the fabric of reality not destroying itself is too retarded
>and Spider-man's existance is literally essential to the fabric of reality not destroying itself is too retarded
That specific part didn't feel too stupid to me. It felt more like "you can't change fate." But yes the way they presented made it focus more on how important it is that a Spider-Man character's life goes a certain way.
I felt like we reached peak hyperawareness. We have not. It felt like an assault on sanity. The main plot that got turned into a sub plot and then never resolved could have been compelling if they focused on it. They played the spot character well and after frying my brain into a coma they came out the other side with an interesting finale act except, no just kidding we're cucking you like we cucked miles and there is no ending. FUCK ME, this movie is brainwashing humiliation porn israeli spellcasting at it's finest.
I take solace in the fact that people will get tired of post-modernism, ushering in a new era of sincere filmmaking.
autism
no one gives a shit, just like no one gives a shit that the Terminators traveling back in time didn't make sense because the movie is awesome
>its not the same plot i have seen 100 times over so its le bad
Atleast say it makes zero fucking sense for spiderpunk to have joined that shit
see
It's the same plot we've seen 100 times over
I’m fairly certain Punk was just there to steal shit.
But him being the only one besides Miles to have a problem with the whole have to let someone die thing by far the biggest issue of the movie. It would have been less egregious if it was only a handful of Spiders instead of hundreds of them.
Is a "Let one die to save many" issue every hero has. Many of those Spiderman already dealt with losing someone because you just can't save everyone, now the question Is still if they should believe Miguel or not about the absolute true of canon events.
People on Shakespeare plays acknowledge they were in a play and unable to do anything about their fates.
> "These our actors, / As I foretold you, were all spirits and / Are melted into air, into thin air: / And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, / The cloud-capp'd towers, the gorgeous palaces, / The solemn temples, the great globe itself, / Ye all which it inherit, shall dissolve / And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, / Leave not a rack behind."
Wait. Explain what is bad about this.
Is it bad because its meta? Be real what about that makes it bad?
The meta-commentary on the entire existence of Miles Morales as a character is what makes this enjoyable to the vast majority of people who watch it.
But the meta commentary is wrong and misleading and exists only to shit on fans who don't like Miles by the directors' own admission
I wonder what Peter Parker would think about those fans if he was real.
Probably something like
>these guys don't like bad stories and cheap characters
I don't think you know the character Peter Parker as well as you think you do.
I think you are projecting
If the writers were wrong then why are you willingly connecting the allegory yourself?
You are proving them right.
What the fuck are you talking about
You just said the writing was bad because the writers were wrong. But clearly the mere fact that you are making the connection yourself is proof that they were correct.
It's a man vs fate story with a comic book skin. What you're essentially saying is "it's bad because I don't like it".
No, what you're saying is "it's good because I like it", the plot is moronic from the premise, to the meta commentary, to the execution
>premise is that Miles is the first to reject fate when this happened tons of times in Spider-Man, most recently in NWH
>meta commentary is that Miles rejects the canon events fans clamor for, when his comics do nothing but repeat Peter's stories, and no one clamored for George Stacy to die, ever
>execution is full of inconsistencies, contrivances, and holes that are obvious to casual watchers, and should be even more obvious to the team of 10000 super geniuses who would do anything to save lives but instead try to prevent Miles from saving lives because they blindly trust the explanation full of holes
And they also said the plot was motivated by wanting to shut down people who don't like Miles which is petty as fuck, and instead of giving Miles his own stories and features that make up for his conceptual flaws and shut down fan criticism, they shat on every other Spider-Man so they could give Miles the usual Spider-Man traits and make him look super special, basically the exact thing Miles haters didn't like him for
Just popping in to say this is a good and informative post. Miles lovers get rekt
>premise is that Miles is the first to reject fate when this happened tons of times in Spider-Man, most recently in NWH
No? The problem is that Miles is an anomaly bitten by a spider from another reality in a universe that already had a designated Spider-man and somehow the world didn't collapsed into itself because of him. And due to this it's impossible to know what the fuck will happen when he stops his canon event.
>execution is full of inconsistencies, contrivances, and holes that are obvious to casual watchers
such as...
homie, you're describing checkers to someone explain chess to you.
>No? The problem is that Miles is an anomaly bitten by a spider from another reality in a universe that already had a designated Spider-man and somehow the world didn't collapsed into itself because of him
No, that is the way they explain the premise, of Miles being the superest most specialest importantest Spider-Man in the multiverse who is unique and doesn't have to do things the way every other Spider-Man does, when the exact opposite is the case for him and every single story he has is a rehash of a Peter story, even the first movie gives him an uncle Ben beat, meanwhile Miguel, Punk, Jessica etc all have unique stories and basically no canon event equivalents anywhere, the comics, the cartoons, the games etc, but the movie implies they did nothing but rehash Peter's stories i.e. the thing only Miles did out of them all.
>such as...
See pic related, there's even more that were missed, like why is India's universe fine despite the canon event being prevented, how is Gwen's universe fine when she said she saved her dad in the first one, why do Spot and Miles have precognition, why is everyone trusting the contrarian anarchist Spider-Man, why do the Spider-Men trust an algorithm that the AI that made it isn't sure about, why aren't Peter B's 1610's canon events enough to keep the 1610 universe in check, why is Gwen fine with being told falling for Spider-Man and her dying is her canon event, why do they send Gwen to handle Spot in Miles' universe when they know she's a liability, why do they all hang out in the Citadel when they should be busy in their own universes, why can't they just check the teleport machine's records to see where Miles went at the end, etc it never ends.
>why can Miles break Miguel's force cage barriers but no Spider-Man or Spider-Man villain can
>why can Miles outrun and outsmart a thousand experienced Spider-Men one year into his career
>why didn't they just collectively web Miles up from afar instead of trying to catch him by hand
>>why can Miles outrun and outsmart a thousand experienced Spider-Men one year into his career
This one actually makes sense, since most spider men work alone so you can see them getting in each others way.
finally someone gets it.
*Peter A's canon events in 1610
The death cult stuff and canon events shit, they're bad ideas in a vacuum but the movie completely fumbles the implementation too
I'm not saying its a perfect work of fiction because it's literally a kids movie but all that just sounds like nitpicking
Have a blessed day
>having a Spider-Man death cult in a Spider-Man movie is nitpicking
Nigga that's like taking a Homelander story and making it into a Superman movie and everyone thinking it's great and the most faithful Superman yet
>just let billions die out of nepotism bro
>death cult
I must have missed something, what are you even referring to here? Spicer-Man trying to keep people from altering fate? If so its really strange that you're calling it that just to emotionally manipulate people into agreeing with you
>faithful adaptions
Thats a meme now, there's so many comics amd so many different versions and realities that any movie released can be considered faithful. Whats supposed to be the basis for adaptions? The original run? The ultimate stuff? I know you're gonna give some exaggerated example like if spiderman was a murderer or something (im sure thats a thing somewhere too) but aside from extreme cases, there's always gonna be a precedent
Is ATSV the first Spider-Man thing you ever saw/read/played?
It was this
Whats your point, that spiderman always has a choice? Because that's the plot of The Adventures of Black Spiderman 2: Return of the Mexican Spiderman
>that spiderman always has a choice? Because that's the plot of The Adventures of Black Spiderman 2: Return of the Mexican Spiderman
No, the plot is that Miles is the ONLY Spider-Man that always has a choice, and the rest are complacent death cultists trying to stop him
>death cult
Stop that
Also stop believing the villain lol
>Stop that
No
>Also stop believing the villain lol
Every Spider-Man except Miles should've not believed the villain
>No
🙁
>Every Spider-Man except Miles should've not believed the villain
Yeah thays the plot of the movie
>Yeah thays the plot of the movie
Yeah that's a ridiculous and moronic plot that misses the point of Spider-Man
>full circle
Anything that isn't a perfect adaption of the original comic book run misses the point of spiderman
Nah that's an extreme strawman the movie is obsessed with for some reason, it's like they want to have an excuse for Spider-Man to people with guns so they can handwave it away with "you just want muh canon faithfullness" when people complain about how moronic it is
*kill people with guns
>kill people with guns
haha called it.
>some exaggerated example like if spiderman was a murderer or something
Anyway enjoy your nitpicking, I see you're just gonna pick and choose what makes a REAL spiderman while ignoring what you personally don't find interesting or important
>Spider-Man should kill people with guns and that's fine because muh canon events muh faithfulness you're just a toxic fan
Gen x/millennial writers are a lost cause
Youre putting words in my mouth because you have absolutely nothing to say other than "I dont like it" 😉
Wow it reminds me of how the moviemakers put words in fan mouths because they had absolutely nothing to say to their criticism other than "I don't like it"
Haha you just repeated what I said but changed a couple of words! Epic! Boy is there egg on my face! 🙂
>barge in with bad faith non-arguments
>"noooo why are people not engaging with my bad faith non-arguments and are instead turning them on me???"
Don't know what you expected anon, this isn't twitter
Can't help it, I love me some spiderman with guns
>MilesShowingEverySpiderManThatTheyCouldhaveSavedUncleBen.gif
You are revealing your retardery by not understanding the differences between your image and Across the spider-verse's situation.
Miguel and Peter B. Parker TRIED to do it Miles' way and suffered immense losses. And because of that they surrendered to the idea that different dimensions should be kept intact and isolated as much as possible.
>Miguel and Peter B. Parker TRIED to do it Miles' way and suffered immense losses
No they didn't
>And because of that they surrendered to the idea
Spider-Man would never surrender after one failure
>that different dimensions should be kept intact and isolated as much as possible.
They sure as hell meddle a lot in them anyway
>Spider-Man would never surrender after one failure
Isn't a canon event that at one point Spider man will want to stop being Spider man?
According to this movie's shitty writing, yes
>They sure as hell meddle a lot in them anyway
The Spider Sociery is there to fix irregularities in the Web of Life and Fate aka Incursions.
Think about the TVA but only for Spider Events.
>Why the Spiders are so important that they have their own multiverse task force?
Money, SpiderMan is the 2nd most profitable superhero ever only behind BatMan.
Wow what a moronic plot for a Spider-Man movie that misses the IP's core appeal
It is, but they needed to wank Miles as "special" as he has always been trapped in the role of bargain bin Peter Parker.
Notice how in
cont.
Notice how in a movie about the SPIDERVERSE they didn't bother to show a Peter Parker in his prime, they killed that one in the last movie too.
I mean, there's already more than eight movies and multiple tv shows showing Peter Parker being great, is assumed you already know.
A Peter Parker in his Prime would have 100% captured Miles with ease and talked some sense into him but they didn't do that because it goes against the plot they are trying to tell (Miles is the coolest and necessary not jusr bargain bin Peter).
Yes, because Peter is well know for never failing ever. Anon, Peter in his prime will sided with Miles, which is exactly were the plot is going.
>Peter in his prime will sided with Miles
No way fag, you are talking about a OMD Peter.
>which is exactly were the plot is going.
Peter wouldn't need Miles to tell him standing by when you can save people is bad, that's literally the whole point of uncle Ben
>Whats supposed to be the basis for adaptions?
The comics, just like manga is the basis for anime.
>The original run?
Yes.
>The ultimate stuff?
Yes, for an adaptation of the Ultimate Comics.
Literally just any comic. Not a single movie so far has adapted a comic without making up everything with 1%ers hollywood screenwriters thinking their vision is too good to stick to the beatnik original writers. It literally hasn't been tried.
Superman mass killing civilians was totally rad, you're just nitpicking
Only if they even know about it: as far as most spider people know, all they do is grab villians that drifted from one dimension to another and take them back to where they belong, whit only the closest guys to Miguel and Jess knowing about the canon event thing.
Tons of them were in the room with Miles when he got the canon event rundown, it's not implied to be a secret, and even if that was the case, all the Spider-Men being blindly obedient to Miguel without asking what's going on is super shit writing as well
Most of their canon events happened before they teamed up with the illuminati and people that haven't had theirs are kept in the dark like pajeeter parker
Most of the Spider people on the chase didn't even had any idea who Miles Morales was until it was pointed out to them.
>Most of their canon events happened before they teamed up with the illuminati
And? How does that justify trying to prevent a 15 year old from saving his dad?
>and people that haven't had theirs are kept in the dark like pajeeter parker
And all the Spider-Men are okay with this because..?
>And all the Spider-Men are okay with this because..?
It's hinted that Miguel shouldn't recruit Spiders who haven't experienced their canon events. That's why at the beginning of the movie he's hesitant to bring SpiderGwen to the team, because she still hadn't experinced his dad's death.
Miguel's kindness always bit him in the ass, he also wanted to delete Miles postInto events but Peter B. + Gwen talked him out of it.
You haven't explained anything
Miles also hears it would destroy all universes, but he does the thing every Spider-Man would do, but they all go along with the villain's obviously wrong plan instead
Only Spideys who already played their complete role in the Web of Life and Fate are recruited into de Spider Society.
They don't have Kid Peter Parkers running around who aren't Spider-Man yet. Because nabbing them can affect their thread in the web.
That's the reason why Miguel didn't want to recruit Gwen to behin with, because she didn't experience all the events in her canon (her dad's death) but Miguel is a softie and he picked her up to spare her from the pain.
see
>And? How does that justify trying to prevent a 15 year old from saving his dad
Because it would destroy his universe. Also its the villains plan so its obviously wrong
>And all the Spider-Men are okay with this because..?
Because it would destroy his universe. Also its the villains plan so its obviously wrong
All Spider-Men across all universes are now part of an Uncle Ben death cult ensuring all Uncle Bens across all universes die.
Yeah yeah whatever you fucking pansy
>Zod's snapped neck
why is it moronic?
Superman killing Zod was a big controversy because his characterization for decades has been that he doesn't kill anyone, even though he did in the early comics. Meanwhile Peter not saving people he has a chance to save is established as out of character for him from the moment he sees the burglar he let escape is the man who killed uncle Ben in Amazing Fantasy #15.
>capeshit
>plot
that was your first mistake, OP.
It's the same story as the MCU multiverse story
>"not allowed to change the timeline bro"
Because most of the discussion was /tv laughing it's ass off over the trans-on-black representation and shill damage control. Hell, I don't even know what the movie's about.
90% of people are either too ignorant to know its bad or too comfortable turning their brain off to enjoy movies.
Anon, people who actually want to see a movie staring Bendis's token nog don't care about things like plot and substance.
Thats comic fags in general
It's the same thing. Anyone who's a fan of modern comics is part of the rainbow brigade because that's all comics are these days.
Focusing on a minority protagonist makes the movie immune from criticism, as any complainers automatically get branded racist.
You think people watch Marvel movies for the plot? They've remixed the same origin story nearly a dozen times.
People just talk about the visuals the plot in any capeshit is never important.
It's a kids film
Not according to the box office demographics
My Little Pony
>It's a kids film
Shouldn't that mean the plot is EXTRA-sensical?
The central plot point gets worse and worse the more different Spider-Man continuities you've read/watched, since you are more and more aware the supposed "canon" events aren't nearly as ironclad as the movie suggests. It was particularly laughable to see the Spectacular cartoon Spider-Man be one of the people explaining that whole thing since no Stacy died in his series. There's plenty of universes with no dead loved ones, no dead police captains, and no dead Gwens.
The canon event isn't that gwen dies, its that a romantic interest dies
But yeah, this movie isn't canon to every other spider-media
Gwen explicitly mentions Gwen by name
>But yeah, this movie isn't canon to every other spider-media
Then they should've not made the premise "this movie is canon to all other spider-media"
>AYO WHITEY, I'M FINNA GONNA DO IT MY OWN WAY YA HERD."
Yeah, I'm not watching this garbage.
the only thing people prize about this movie is the animation and they do it because it supposedly invented it, but it didn't, it copied it from a fucking Charlie Brown movie
>aesthetic was first used by the most cookie cutter cartoon that liberals hate because it is too white
>anti-white
>posts a white
Why do white people think they're being genocided just because israelites won't put them in (animated) movies?
I need a movie to relate, a spider-man shut-in that dates the sister of the school drug dealer
That's probably evil miles from the ending[/spoiler
I think the point of the movie is that even Miles thinks the plotline is moronic.
>2 and a half hour runtime
>doesnt even have a climax and ends on a bullshit cliffhanger
What the fuck?
Who was the Spider-Man in the universe main Miguel went to life in? Could not Miguel since he is the one who dies.
Either way, you are overthinking it and Spider-Man 2099 obviously ends up proven wrong. It's an action adventure film for the whole family. To just entertain the idea that in this type of a story this won't be somehow overcomed so the hero, even if in a bittersweet way, succeeds is laughable.
Haha woops turns out you can stop the universe from collapsing and save people after all. Sorry that we let billions of people die through our inaction but that's just what Spider-man does!
They didn't know beforehand and they don't have time traveling magic.
Neither did Miles and he still tried to save everyone
Well, yes, he is the heroic protagonist.
It is indeed weird so many of them ran with it, if it was just Miguel and a few other more jaded JUST Spider-Man it would perhaps make more sense,
>Well, yes, he is the heroic protagonist.
You should never make the poochie the heroic protagonist at the expense of other beloved established heroic protagonist characters.
All the Spider-men tell miles it's okay to let innocent people die becuase that's just what Spider-men do throughout the multiverse.
Miles is the only spider-man who actually cares about saving innocent people.
They make a point they recruite the Spider people only after all this happens. Gwen tried to stop Miles for saying Indian captain, but the Indian Spider-Man was clearly unawere.
>after all this happens
After what happens? It's implied there's tons of canon events that most of them didn't go through, like losing a Gwen Stacy, having a Spider-Man No More moment, marrying their love etc
>spider-verse is the greatest thing ever
why?
>*complete silence*
because it invented a new style of animation...except it didn't https://youtu.be/84iK4vJqQVU
People give multiverse shit a extra pass.
I had fun watching it with a friend but even we both thought that it just simply leaves an unsatisfying feeling due to not being a complete story where almost every plot point is left unresolved.
The only thing that can be considered a full story was Gwen's relationship with his dad but did anyone really care about that?
It’s a flick for zoomer negroids.
Anon, I read the original Spider-Verse storyline, I don't mind when shit is just written by rule of cool.
>Based Miguel choke slamming spiderblack because he knows he can't take it
>Spiderblack outrunning 1000 spiderman because his days on the hood
Not cool
The only thing that pissed me off was no Superior when he is the momentary leader of the Spider Society in the comics for selfserving reasons.
To be fair its the first half of a two-parter, if the second half doesn't wrap things up well then I'll shit on the plot
Well for one it doesn't have a moronic plot. You being incapable of understanding the plot is the moronic part.
You're right it's not moronic, it's utterly and thoroughly fucking retarded
>hey i know you want to save your dad but it's a fixed event in time that was supposed to happen
>if you try to save him you'll destroy your entire timeline ending trillions of lives, including your dad
>*goes to save his dad*
i don't understand.
We already had this plot in Flashpoint and that episode of Dr. Strange. And normalfags still side with Miles.
i feel like the plots where the mc risks millions to save 1 is older than time and retarded every time. by the end of the second movie miles will save his dad (but at a cost!!!) and they'll learn from miles that it's ok to change the canon (sometimes).
They are, but the ones were you have a lot of people who are literally the only ones who could understand you and help you to cope with it aren't that common.
Here, Miles threw a bitchfit against the same people who understand the pain and consequence of such a decision.
Marlel has been trying to force the black as the replacement for Peter Parker ever since they made this dumb character. It is painfully obvious.
I haven't even seen the movie but I bet you a million dollars that they first came up with a "cool" Spidernog gets chased by hundreds of Spider-Men scene and then wrote backwards from there.
yeah, most likely, I've just seen it was complete dogshit, I can't believe something like this was even cleared for release
The most homosexual scene in any CBM ever
It's this movie's moneyshot. Like the scene of Miles falling into the cityscape was in the first one (copied from a comic cover at that).
Is there ANYTHING Miles didn't steal from Peter? Anything at all?
and I thought at least that shot was original.
NTA but me too
This shit will only be redeemed if the sequel has another set of spidermen that went against the canon fight Miguel's. I think that's what they're doing with madam web. Someone definitely needs to make a super cut without this movie's retardation
I don't think it can be redeemed, they already showed too many existing alt Spider-Men being okay with this shit
As far as the movie is presenting, Miguel is right. Miles throwing a bitchfit is going to get his universe deleted, also the Spider42 dying in 1610 caused two universal fuckups, Miles was inteded to be Spidey but in U42 not in U1610, he "stole" the multiverse of 2 Spideys, 1610 and 42.
shit's fucked yo, and its never really explained what the Spot did to boost his powers, but he's looking kinda OP for a Spiderman level superhero to main, I guess its really a kids film.
>As far as the movie is presenting, Miguel is right. Miles throwing a bitchfit is going to get his universe deleted,
this would have carried actual weight if we hadn't just seen them prevent one from being deleted.
>we hadn't just seen them prevent one from being deleted.
They don't know if that would stick, as far as they know the void or something can overpower the Spidey Team they have there any second.
nope, you're now using headcanon. The movie showed them stopping and preventing it.
They clearly said that they would "do what they can".
>As far as the movie is presenting, Miguel is right. Miles throwing a bitchfit is going to get his universe deleted,
I think this anon just cracked the case. So in the comics Miles does Miles go from the Ultimate universe to the regular 616 universe or something? And the next movie is called "Beyond the Spider-Verse" so they're going to go to places that aren't Spider-Man universes? Miles is gonna get dumped in a live action world like Homer did at the end of that Treehouse of Horror episode. And that's another thing for Miles to steal.
>Miles is gonna get dumped in a live action world
Kek, Kino.
He'll stay a cartoon, too. And he'll be in Secret Wars.
Oh fucking hell
Show me a better crossover than pic related.
Ok tell me if I missed something: Miguel talks about how he tried to live in a world where he died but wasn't a Spider-Man and that ruined the entire "universe" and explicitly asks Peter B. Parker to back him up. How would Peter B. Parker know that Miguel ruined another dimension by wanting to pretend to be the one that died unless he was ruining the dimension where he was Spiderman (which I doubt is the case because I believe his HQ is his original dimension). My GF says Miguel went to Peter B. Parker's dimension and tried to plant himself there but if that were the case then Peter B. Parker wouldn't be able to go back and have a life with his Mary Jane unless it explicitly proves that they can stop the worlds from collapsing or whatever bullshit they're trying to say happens if someone doesn't die.
Also how is Gwen's world not gone for her not seeing her dad die because he resigned and let some other shmuck take the mantle of captain? It just seems like they don't want you to think about anything and just get distracted by each frame having a different color palette.
Yes he lived in a world where he can live with a family opposed to his (which is probably some vampire world/inheritor related.). It didn't ruin the universe but he does explain that it takes a few erased worlds to undo the web. Peter B knew the consequences of fighting canon events because he was there with Miguel in the universe co-opted when it disappeared, it wasn't Peter B's world.
You can tell the writers wrote themselves into a corner with Gwen's. Her dad wasn't in any trouble at all in the beginning and Gwen saving him multiple times had no consequences because it's convenient that it wasn't a canon event for some reason. It'll just be a plot convenience in the third one or they can backpedal and say that Gwen's peter dying was the canon event.
they wrote themselves into a corner with all characters, the logical arc would be a bad ending, but we know there won't be because plot armour
>Also how is Gwen's world not gone for her not seeing her dad die because he resigned and let some other shmuck take the mantle of captain?
Yes, they just need a police captain to die apparently, so Gwen's dad and world is safe
>or they can backpedal and say that Gwen's peter dying was the canon event.
That was her Uncle Ben event, not her police captain event.
It's kind of stupid bc Peter B said something like "almost every Spider-Man's story goes like this" so not every spider person's story has an Uncle event and a captain event
Consumers are still suckers for meta commentary. The vibrant art design also overloads their brains too much to stop any critical thought from forming and just let's them go along with the flow.
The plot isn't moronic it's just... not really that good.
This movie has
>Beautiful animation
>Great OST
>Awesome voice acting
>Good characters (for the most part)
But god, the actual plot itself is painfully mediocre, I guess I'm just really tired of le multiverse shit.
animation
The animation itself is not particualrly noteworthy, the visual style could be good but they just went too far with the post processing
OST
I thought it was pretty meh especially compared to the first one (even though it didn't fit Spider-Man)
voice acting
That's where you're outright wrong, only Miguel sounds like a professional voiced him, everyone else sort of mumbles and stumbles and it sounds like a candid recording of a conversation rather than movie dialogue
>>Good characters (for the most part)
I can't think of one, everyone got assassinated, it's crazy. Even Punk who was cool still makes no sense for going along with Miguel's shit for so long until Miles came about
Fair enough, I'm just baffled this movie did as good as it's doing right now. I guess every other movie is just so shit in comparison.
After watching the movie and rewatching some clips I have to say Indian Spiderman was my least favorite character in the movie. His personality is just extremely grating to me for some reason. I wish they would have gone with a different option honestly
He's a "I'm better than you Spidey" which is a state of mind that some Spideys get when they first get their powers until they get CANON'D or they are bonded with the Symbiote.
I'm just glad he wasn't voiced by kumail.
I honestly had to check because he's become the go to default Indian guy in Hollywood.
It's the Taxi Driver from Deadpool. It was a cool move on them, he seems like a decent folk.
Actually Kumail is Pookistani and throws a hissy fit on Twatter every time someone mistakes him for being Indian.
I'm with you. I didn't like it to much. Part of me wants to say because I'm older and out of touch now, but I reallly liked into the spider verse. It's just a lot of things about this movie didn't sit right with me. Like both gwen and miles struggling with their parents felt forced. With miles specifically, like if he was failing at life and actually struggling to maintain both lives, ok. But he seemed to be doing fine...also which parent actively doesn't want their genius kid to go to Princeton? That might be nitpicking, but I also struggled to hear dialogue, and the visuals were overwhelming. First one did it right, but this one was way too much. Maybe on a second watch I can appreciate it better, but I don't think I'll get over them ruining a bunch of spidermen for the sake of Miles. I don't know all the spidermen, so maybe miguel would be ok with letting someone die, but there's no way you can convince me that any peter parker would be. Also, how many canon events do each one have? Like does the original peter dying not count? Does his uncle dying not count? It was a stupid plot device.
Original Peter dying didn’t count because he died as a result of Miles’ unexpectedly being bitten by the spider from the other universe.
The story its not over yet idiot
The setup is idiotic already, we didn't need to see Rise of Skywalker to know it'll be shit, The Last Jedi made it readily apparent
Agreed although IMO the Trevorrow script and concept art weren’t bad.
That's the point. 2 and a half hour to tell a mediocre story without any pay-off
people are noticing
they had to make every spiderman worse and create a problem that never existed to make miles the super duper special one and the only one doing the right thing
For the people who liked this movie, can you explain why Miguel needed to tell Miles that his dad was going to die?
it's miguel's canon event.
he's jealous that Miles gets special treatment while he doesn't
telling miles is special treatment.
Miguel was going to detain him and deal with Spot on his own but allow the event to happen, so he tried to soften the blow by telling him the truth. He also brought a lot of Spideys to function as emotional support.
But Miles decided to chimp out.
that's as stupid as the movie. Softening the blow would have been to not tell him and just keep him occupied.
Miguel also told Gwen about her dad, but she was understanding of the consequences of it.
that never happened in the movie. Not even implied.
After they tell Miles, he looks at her and says: "Your dad is a captain" and she doesn't respond and just shrugs.
Did you speedwatched it????
but the movie doesn't address it because they have to leave it out for the story to work how they want it to. Instead of shrugging she could have said she was allowing it to happen to save her universe, like miles should. But they don't because they have to leave it out just for miles' to make sense. Like some things have to be implied, but they never did that for her. She was never scared to go back because her dad was going to die. If she were, that would have been explicitly expressed.
The simple fact that she didn't chimp out like Miles is proof enough that she understood Miguel's point.
Or she was just planning to chimpout later and was constantly monitoring that his dad was safe, but I go with my first paragraph.
she didn't chimp out because it never happened. She was scared to go back because he didn't accept her (or is it zer?). She was never worried he was going to die. The movie never implied he would.
She's literally surprised he's alive when she sees him in the final act and has a lightbulb moment when he tells her he quit, pay attention to the movie dumbass. She thought he was going to die in a canon event and was 100% fine with it through the whole movie, she showed more concern for Miles' dad than her own, only after George apologized to her for wanting to arrest her for killing Peter is she shown to be glad he's alive.
>She was never worried he was going to die. The movie never implied he would
Anon, how much explicit they want to be with the: "Captain close to Spider-Man dies saving someone"
They even showed the fucking Amazing SpiderMan Capt. Stacy's death. I don't know if Gwen was close with a lot of police captains besides his dad.
Are you being retarded on purpose or are just underage?
the movie isn't consistent then. What causes their universe to collapse specifically if canon events have to all be the same. Why is gwen a spiderperson? How many canon events have to happen? Was peter dying not enough? If a gwen/peter has to die, and then a captain, and then an uncle ben, who is that to miles? Was his uncle dying in the first his gwen dying? or was it his uncle ben? This whole plot device is retarded.
>This whole plot device is retarded.
Bingo. And this was only here to make Miles look good against the whole Spider Society.
I can't believe it but I want the Inheritors back.
The movie isnt even consistent with it’s own made up rule about canon events.
Early in the movie, we get an example of a canon-breaking event when the police capt gets shoved out of the way of a falling boulder. The police capt dying is considered a canon event so saving his life was enough to induce a dimension-shattering calamity.
But then later on, we see Gwen convince her dad to quit his job as a police officer and somehow this isnt considered a canon-breaking event.
Why? Why is saving a police officer’s life in the short term by shoving him out of the way of a boulder is considered a canon-breaking event but convincing a police officer to quit his job and completely remove him from any probability of dying in a tragic canon event is not a canon-breaking event?
I dont disagree with your point in general but her father chose that on his own
Some other cop Gwen knows is gonna die. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out miles' dad is his dead captain even though he's from anotherverse
>Somehow, there's an adult Miles Morales in Gwenverse that is a cop
>Now he has to die because Capt. Stacy quit and he got promoted
Kino.
>but her father chose that on his own
But he only did that because she left into the multiverse due to outside interference, i.e. the thing we're told causes disruptions
no point in arguing. Like talking to a wall.
Fair point, but she would have still been on the run even if miguel hadn't accepted her
But I guess she wouldn't have to reveal herself if the davinci vulture hadn't attacked the poodle
Irregardless its a kids movie, by law the plot can't make sense
>Irregardless...
idiot
> its a kids movie, by law the plot can't make sense
stupid cope argument. This is like when troons force their shit down your throat and then when you argue with them say "why are you so obsessed with trans people?!"
>brings up trannies out of fucking nowhere
>not obsessed
lel
Anyways, its not cope, its the truth. The target audience for this film is children and young teens. The writers no theyre not gonna question it too much so why even bother to tie up every loose end or make sure that there's no plot holes?
The terminator doesn't make any fucking sense scientifically speaking but that movie wasn't made for dorks
just because it's made for kids doesn't mean the bar has to be set so low. The first movie did a good job despite being a cartoon for children
>didn't accept her (or is it zer?)
The whole trans icon shit is retarded. Her whole thing about living a double life and acceptance can easily apply to anything other than chopping off dicks and tits.
Fags need to stifle their horse shit.
it's also a plot device used for all peter parkers and miles. So why wasn't it trans when they were going through it. Troons are retarded.
She's the only one to have a trans flag in her room and heavy trans flag color presence in her scenes and universe and costume
ywnbaw
I agree. It is dumb and so far I havent heard a good explanation why it needed to happen.
I think the dramatic potential would have been a lot more effective if Miguel withheld that knowledge from Miles, let his dad die, and then Miles finds out after the fact that Miguel knew it would happen but chose not to tell him. Miles then angrily confronts Miguel but Miguel explains why he let his dad die and then divulges all the information about maintaining canonicity.
Miguel telling Miles all the information before his dad dies is not just a very contrived moment and an example of bad writing, but it also does a disservice to Miguel’s character. If Miguel is supposed to be this careful planner and control freak antagonist, then he wouldnt tell Miles of all people that his dad would die but then also be surprised when Miles decides to try to save his dad.
>Miguel is supposed to be this careful planner and control freak antagonist
Miguel is a softie that forces himself to play a role, same reason he recruited Gwen after her dad points a gun at her and he lets Peter B. bring Mayday to the Society.
It's just that Miles idiocy angered him. he thought he could reason with him but it didn't fucking happen.
Sounds like Miguel… relaxed around blacks.
Because it's a metaverse movie about capeshit with metaverse in the title and it's the sequel to another such movie that made a billion dollars.
If you're wondering why your favorite grifters aren't complaining about it, it's because it has been designated as not-woke and they don't criticize anything else, because capeshitters don't watch videos about anything else.
the problem that people are missing is that "as movie stated" the collapse of a universe bring more with them on the fall.
the activation of the macchine from the spot would have killed indian universe and more, miles fucked the indian spider moment.
cannot see how miles is right in any way
>I quit my job so I'm not a captain anymore
So if he goes back to work when Gwen comes back he's going to die anyway?
>He just sentenced another guy to die for him.
Web rules, folks.
How did the OG spider that bit Miles' universe exist if the canon event (Spider-Man) never happened?
I was more bothered by the fact they did some cliff hanger bullshit.
Sony is going to milk this multiverse shit for as long as they can.
I will never forgive them for killing Raimi's project we could have a 5 movie epic.
I can never forgive a movie for doing this. Like name it part 1 so we know ahead of time. Or at the very least make it a complete movie WITH a cliffhanger instead of cutting a long movie in half.
> moronic plot online
nigga its a children's superhero movie
it can be a chidren's superhero movie and have a solid plot. The first one did a good job.
Your fault, imagine watching something where multiverses and resurrections exist. Endgame, Snyder Crap, this movie, all are the same shit where doesn't exist tension, you know they will comeback in the next movie or they will find a form to bring them back without any consequences.
Isn't Gwen preventing a ton of her canon events from happening just by hanging out in the multiverse for months without end and never going back to her own?
they all are by not being in their own universe
They don't care about legacy characters being dragged through the mud because they never cared about those characters to begin with.
Once again instead of writing a character well and having them earn their stripes, they instead made Miles a magical biracial negro Mary Sue.
Well you see little niglet you're special because a spider from another universe bit you.
You're most specialist most naggerest niglet in all the multiverse.
Fuck Spider Punk as well.
its a cartoon for children
Everyone sure is sucking off the cartoon for children as god's gift to earth despite so many flaws
not saying its a good or bad thing
just saying you are having high expectations on a cartoon for children
I have high expectations for the movie everyone is hailing as
>the best Spider-Man movie ever
>the best animated movie ever
>the best comic book movie ever
>the best movie ever
When Mario's plot was retarded I didn't complain, because all the reactions to it said it was retarded
that seems a problem on whom you are putting your faith on
Comic book movies have insane recency bias. Marvel consoomers have a funko pop model of reality where they need the newest thing and chasing it and hyping it up is their religion. They can't view movies holistically or analyze them critically.
then explain how they rightfully shit on the most recent antman and thor movies. This movie is getting totally unwarranted praise.
Thor and Antman had zero redeeming qualities. Spiderman is harder for a general audience to form an opinion on because it has incredible animation but horrible plotting. And I absolutely saw diehard marvel fans defending Thor (mostly the humor.) Antman not so much because it was total spy kids CGI hell.
>Captain America goes back in time and stays there. He's an old man by the modern MCU era and too old to have stopped hydra or Ultron. No "canon" broken
>Miles can't save his dad from dying otherwise the universe that he's in collapses and tears apart
Make this shit make sense. Also, why didn't Gwen's universe tear apart like that Indian spidermans universe after her dad decided to quit being a cop?
a. even though the MCU gets mentioned, it's not part of this universe
b. captain america isn't a spiderman
c. this plot device is retarded and the writers are even more retarded to use it.
This movie is so fucking overrated holy shit
not only it feels like it was made by an sperg kid with ADHD that just snorted a ton of coke, it doesn't even have a fucking third act.
To me is the fact that breaking spider man canon mean destroying a universe. It's so moronic when earth 42 and miles's earth are still around even though the canon event have been disrupted.
Nobody saw it. It's way behind No way home. It won't even beat mario.