In it's second week at the box office Lightyear was number 5 losing to two movies that have been in theaters for more than 2 weeks as well as losing to a horror movie. Is this the worst a Pixar movie has ever done in theaters? Pretty insane especially considering how big of a franchise Toy Story is
Yes the movie is bad. Good thread.
Didn't Cars 2 and The Good Dinosaur do worse?
At the time of its release Cars 2 was the second highest opening of a Pixar movie. Critically it was dogshit but people went out to see it
Cars 2 was kino.
Cars 2 was successful financially, people thought it was shit after watching it but the Pixar name still had enough prestige to get asses in seats. With Lightyear we've seen that's no longer the case.
This movie was intentionally set up as a loss to justify killing off white protagonists or CG movies as a whole
the sad part is I could easily see Disney PR using this as cope and justification to go even more woke
>lightyear was a failure because buzz is white and male
Meds.Now.
Yeah because ms.marvel is doing well....
This isn't to kill white protagonists. This is to kill Pixar. Or rather Pixar's reputation.
Not as popular huh? That’s too bad
Stupid smug c**t. God I hate her so much.
She should switch bodies with the black chick in Lightyear, see how she likes it.
dios mio...
>175 million budget
>19.5 box office
you have nothing to be smug about kek
That movie didn't even release in theaters
If you translate it's viewership into ticket sales then Turning Red only earned 35 million dollars.
flopped harder stay mad groomer
Go frick yourself troony
Clearly, America is made up of mostly idiot dinosaurs who will die off soon.
I think that new generic animated Disney movie will do worse. Strange Magic or whatever it's called.
Strange World, Strange Magic is the George Lucas one with fairies lmao
That one's going to be another shit show. Lead character is some gay mutt.
>how big of a franchise Toy Story is
People like Toy Story, not a spinoff that doesn't know if it wants to be a serious space movie or for kids.
Families had to choose between Dinosaurs or this. They chose dinosaurs. This week, they will see Minions.
Universal can’t stop winning.
You can only make so many flops in a row before you start to lose your credibility with the public, and D*sney animation is well past that point.
I wonder if they only put the kiss in there just so they can call the audience homophobic for not going out to watch it, and thus divert attention from the movie's true flaws. Because either way, who the hell was asking for some serialized spinoff of Toy Story of all things? It's no wonder it's flopping.
Is Pixar starting to lose its magic?
For like the last decade or so.
"Starting?" Anon the magic has been gone longer than the average Cinemaphile user has been alive.
I’m literally older than Pixar though?
Do you not understand what average means?
I thought everyone on Cinemaphile was older than me. This sites been up since 2003 and I just a kid then. This website is actually Gen X culture.
>starting
The last good movies Pixar released were in 2010-2011 (Toy Story 3 / Up).
I saw Coco and heard Inside Out was good but tell me if any of these even compare to their earlier films:
Cars 2
Brave
Monsters Uni
Inside Out
The Good Dinosaur
Finding Nemo 2
Cars 3
Coco
The Incredibles 2
Toy Story 4
Onward
Soul
Luca
Turning Red
Lightyear
Why did Sing 2 do better than Encanto, Turning Red, and Lightyear, despite having a smaller budget, less marketing and no directly-owned streaming service?
>Encanto
No one wants to see a movie about a girl with a magic taco or whatever
>Turning Red
Visually ugly is probably why. It looks like the GrubHub commercial
>Lightyear
Ugly, no coherent tie to Toy Story for the millennials who have nostalgia for that and no hook for the zoomer kids who don't give a shit.
>Encanto
>Turning Red
These movies have extremely low stakes and weak conflicts. The kind of people who like these movies also like watching daytime TV shows where a mother can't control her unruly daughter and then they hug at the end. The entire conflict of both movies is just that "older woman won't listen to younger woman" and there's really nothing else going on to lend this conflict any kind of urgency. In encanto the house is falling apart but... so what? Why is a magic house essential to these people? Because they're scared of the outside world, where the rest of us live? I just could not give a shit about anything happening in this movie. Was like watching a movie about a family of old money mega rich people freaking out because the main hedgefund they rely on was almost gone and the main conflict was between a mother and grandmother about how to diversify their portfolio. Actually I would have preferred that because it would probably have some salient financial advice even if it was equally vapid.
As for Turning Red, it's basically a Dr. Phil episode, even more than Encanto. Girl is going through puberty and wants to go to concerts and starts acting in ways her mother and other relatives don't approve of. And in the end we get a big old compromise and they hug on camera while the studio audience cheers and hoots. Colossal waste of my time, this movie.
Pop culture movie >>>>>>>>>>any other media in terms of sales
cuz it was better than all of them
Sing 2 gave Normies what they want.
Who is Lightyear for? People who like Buzz Lightyear don’t want realism interstellar Buzz.
And while there is a lesbian in the movie, she is only in the movie in the first half before getting killed off. Paranorman had a better gay character even though he didn’t kiss.
The action is mediocre at best. I can’t see kids giving a care outside of the cat, Sox.
Illumination literally CANNOT lose. Because of their budgeting, even when a film underperforms, profit is still made. Pets 2 only made half of the first but because it only cost 80, it made well over 100 profit after all costs considered which is still very fricking good.
>less marketing
I'd argue that marketing is Illumination's number 1 strong point. When their movies come out people fricking know. They shell out money for blimps, toys, tie ins, super bowl ads, etc. I'm not too big on most of their movies but I have a lot of respect for them. They know how to sell themselves.
They're pretty devious, I just wondered why the frick they'd invade Insurance commercials, then I realized they're going after the parents. Advertising to kids is pretty much indirect marketing since you're just hyping them up to then go beg their parents but they cut out the middle man and go straight for the parents in these ads.
There was some viral Tweet (probably boosted by Universal) this week about some woman being freaked out over seeing a huge Minions display at her hotel.
Looking at RT it doesn't seem like a bad movie, just a mediocre one. It has a lot of positive reviews from audience members but most of the 4+ stars ones are "my 3 year old loved it!" and anything with a bit of substance rates it 3 stars or less.
The first 30 minutes of the movie are pretty good, then it goes excruciatingly mediocre, I feel bad for the kids growing up with this lame version of buzz
People don't care as much. Children care about games and cellphones. Not movies
That's it, I'm watching The Bad Guys due to this shit.
>Sequel hook at the end
kek
Who even cares that “Zurg” survived?
It isn’t even the cool Emperor Zurg who wants to conquer the galaxy.
Just a old man in a suit who found space tech.
Or is “Zurg” going to just decide to become a evil emperor in the next movie?
Or will they just have him find the real Zurg?
i dont really understand this shit. if the box office numbers are low doesn't that just mean nobody went to go watch it? by that logic it could just mean lightyear's marketing wasn't very good.
You’re half-correct. Movies do suffer at the box office due to poor marketing. But also, this specific movie got terrible reviews from those who did go see it
So in this case, the movie is just bad
or that it's just not something people want to see. you cna market something hard. but if it's not what people want, they won't go see it.
>by that logic it could just mean lightyear's marketing wasn't very good.
what are some shitty terrible movies with amazing marketing?
Any Disney live action movie.
How did him thinking it was his dad at first make sense?
Was his dad lost in a hyperspace test or something? Or just a lazy callback.
They made the movie look boring with its realism schtick.
A Buzz Lightyear movie should be a over-the-top action adventure epic full of alien people and a galactic scale.
Very true. It's not as off-putting as old efforts at "cartoony realism" but it still just screams "nobody asked for this"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>Make your protagonists all unappealing
>Weird blend of realism and caricature
>Buzz looks boring and generic as frick
>Androgynous clown-nosed heroine
>Two 50+ scruffy old men that just look like janitors
>Cat that is somewhat appealing but looks like it was copied and pasted from something else
Who at WDAS and Pixar is convinced that kids like seeing unattractive designs? Even the elderly main character from Up is still appealing to look at because of how caricatured he is. These characters are ugly as frick
>Weird blend of realism and caricature
That's not new to Pixar at all
>Buzz looks boring and generic as frick
What else would the real version of Buzz look like?
Jurassic World Dominion is on theaters right now, nobody thought that maybe this wasn't the best time to release a cgi film for kids?
*Inhales*
>Someone was dumb enough to think this boring piece of shit would make fricking $400 million at the domestic box office
>what do you mean we can't just coast on our brand? what do you mean we need artists and writers that have creativity, passion, and actually know what they're doing?
Ironically if they had based it off Star Command I might have suggested my brother take his kids to see it because I have fond memories of that show
I'm not sure who this movie was made for besides the people who made it. Time dilation affecting personal relationships isn't really a children's movie thing
Cringe gif anon kys
This you?
no
still cringe gif
You know the funniest thing?
So far there is a high chance that Sonic 2 may still become the most succesful animated movie this year.
If it does that'll be interesting since the first google results all show lightyear as supposedly being the most popular animation movie this year.
Probably articles disney paid to put it on the top, but still
No, it will be minions
What people don’t want to acknowledge is the politics behind the movie. It’s not that people hate gay people. It’s that people don’t want to be browbeaten into seeing a movie just for the sole purpose of
>it has a lesbian kiss, go watch it or you’re a bigot
if that is just about the only thing it has going for it, which based on the reviews, sounds like it is the case
That doesn't matter. The thing is that children don't like hard sci-fi and for some bizarre reason Lightyear was incredibly grounded in a pretty rigid rule set. They took a character who was an amalgamation of tropes from golden age sci-fi and the guy didn't blow up a single alien.
>children don't like hard sci-fi
Children have no clue the movie would have that until they watch it. And they don’t drive. The parents are the ones who make the decisions to go see it
Why would you put homosexuality in a movie marketed to kids?
Because if they can get kids, a group that doesn’t know any better, used to the idea before they grow up enough to form opinions on it, they’re less likely to think and vote the way they don’t want
That’s fricked up man
>no Star Command characters
Yeah wtf is with that?
Honestly, with the current year being like it is, maybe it was for the breast
They didn't want aliens in their movie for some reason. Star Command wasn't like Star Wars, aliens were fricking EVERYWHERE all the time
>For the breast
>movie about a space ranger supposedly going on space adventures
>has no aliens and spends most of the time on one planet
Why do they say this was a 90s movie when they made no effort to make it like a 90s movies in looks, style, or tone?
Replicating 90s CGI in a cartoon would actually be impressive. This shit looks like a 2017 Sci-Fi movie that flopped.
Timewarping culture back to the 90s might have resulted in a more successful movie purely from tone and presentation alone
I mean they set their trailer to a song that came out in the fricking 60's why is it so modern and soulless?
that news makes me want to go to the theaters, and see anything but buzz lighter. what's number 6, btw? i'll just go see that by default
Dr Strange
Go see Tom Gun 2 and try not to cringe at the CGI for the SAM turrets