>In this world, there are heroes and there are villains. Heroes don't kill people.
Isn't Hawkman one of DC's most killing-prone heroes, though?
>In this world, there are heroes and there are villains. Heroes don't kill people.
>In this world, there are heroes and there are villains. Heroes don't kill people.
Isn't Hawkman one of DC's most killing-prone heroes, though?
This is not Hawkman.
This is Squawkman.
Also in a universe why Superman killed, Batman killed, Wonder Woman killed, and the JSA that he idolized most likely killed since it was during a war.
>that time Wonderwoman saved a bunch of kids and a priceless historical building from being blown up by a huge bomb
>blows up the huge bomb anyways at the end of the fight just to kill ONE GUY
The level of disrespect the DCU has payed its own source morals is just another sign that the people making these movies and writing these scripts hold the property in contempt. Frick you comic book nerds, why should THEY have to make a thing YOU like!? Just because you payed for the thing you like for decades in comic format doesn't mean people will pay for the thing you like in movie format! We need to change it to be more suitable for our out-of-touch live Hollywood slug reactions.
I fricking hate this """""""moral""""""" If you kill a bad guy, hes going to escape and kill dozens more. It just shows that these pussy heroes are only in it for the glory and care more about fighting the villain than innocent people.
This is likely a leftover from Johns revisionism, WW84 had the same moronic take
>wonder woman should kill mind controlled people
ok moron
>hes going to escape and kill dozens more
This just means that the caracel "justice" system doesn't work. It doesn't make extrajudicial killings the solution.
>It's the justice system's fault that a supervillain blew up the prison he was in!
IRL most of them would be dead after the second attempt at starting shit. Even if it was the justice system fault the hero never acknowledges it as a problem nor he attempts to do anything to solve it.
A true justice system would actually reform the people in it and deal with the systematic issues that cause crime , not just throw people in a hotel and be done for it.
The cast majority of crime is preventable through societal change and personal intervention. Take the last Batman film for example.
That film was cringe propaganda with a lot of wishful thinking.
So it reached the core of what superheroes are all about.
From a lefty perspective I suppose. Batman started out as a right-wing israeli power fantasy though.
Even in superhero movie universes, the villain only escapes once at most, save very rare exceptions like Loki and Magneto.
Even Nolan's Joker was sent to jail, and that was it. He didn't escape millions of times so there was no need for Batman to kill him,
Heath Ledger died and a 5 movie storyline was scrapped and turned into a 3 movie one specifically BECAUSE Nolan didn't think he could tell the story he wanted to tell without the Joker. In the intended way this was meant to play out, you can be damn sure we would have gotten more Joker.
>Heath Ledger died and a 5 movie storyline was scrapped and turned into a 3
This explains why it felt that there's a unreleased movie between 2 and 3.
>Even Nolan's Joker was sent to jail, and that was it.
Because Nolan's world is relatively realistic and so are most superhero movies, villains either die for real or go to prison.
Superheroes dont care about the government, they live in their own little worlds and project their almighty power beyond the system of society to match their lives and morals beliefs. In their eyes, catching and defeating bad guys and sending them to prison is all they care about, they dont concern beyond that and happily go live their lives until they repeat same process over and over again, despite thousands of people dying from repeated attacks of villians due to govermental law failing to take effect when they escape and acknowleging that superheroes are abusing their power treating the loss of innocent lives as a game and actually helping to make the law more efficient.
But think of the comic sales from rematches Anon! Batman does, how else do you think he became a billioniare?
I really wish DC would just drop the 'heroes don't kill' thing for any character that isn't Batman. Marvel never even fricking bothered with heroes debating the morality of killing bad guys, and look how successful they are. You didn't see Iron Man angsting over if snapping thanos away was the right thing, you didn't see Captain America trying to bring Red Skull in alive. Even Starlord pulled out a laser gun and killed people.
Marvel brought it back with Spider-Man, though.
It's so forced with Spider-Man.
Cap was at war.
It wouldn't make sense for Star Lord.
Iron Man at least tries to stop killing human life.
DC it makes sense given that superman is the compass for everyone and heroes are have a much better rep compared to Marvel.
>that superman is the compass for everyone
Not for Wonder Woman and Pre Shazam Billy Baston.
Wondy lives in bubble between diplomatic immunity and culture she grew up in. The whole page where she explains why she doesn't have a rouges gallery put it best.
Billy is champion of magic and magic ain't gotta explain shit. Even Doc Strange respects this rule.
Batman is the only one that should be full autismo "Never kill heroes", but i think Superman shouldn't just go around neck-snapping everyone.
heroes never kill*
It was a big deal before the 00s
Most DC heroes shouldn't kill just so the moment they do has more of an impact. The original death of Eobars Thawne (before he became time paradox man) wouldn't have had nearly the same impact if Barry had been putting frickers like Grodd, Abra Kadabra and Mirror Master to death already. Same for the Trial of the Flash storyline after. It wouldn't have made any sense for that storyline to exist if Barry or the rest of the Justice League were prone to killing
It's really really disingenuous to bring this up DC after you started your cinematic universe with Superman snapping Zods neck. What? Are you saying superman is an irredeemable monster for killing Zod now? Oh who am I kidding, of course they are.
I think they want to move away from this. Or Shazam things take place in a different universe where DC is not that screwed up.
Well, Snyder claimed that was an origin story if why Superman vowed not to kill. Although if we're honest I think that was an excuse. But they can run with it.
Kamen Rider sidesteps this by killing monsters who used to be people. Albeit, not people forcibly turned into monsters, but people who metaphorically sold their souls to the devil. I believe Saitama runs on the same logic too, which is why he didn't turn Garou into paste.
Saitama doesnt kill all monsters that he encounter. He spared Overgrown Rover despite giving him a beating. Completely ignored Nyan and allowed him to escape. Spared Manako and actually saved him from a life threaten situation. Also spared Sweet Mask and helped him escape when it was revealed that he is a monster.
Well yeah. In those cases, they were monsters in the "not human" sense, but in the morality sense, they were people.
Thought SM was a monster in sense he was just ugly butthole.
Manako is female
He's Mr. Terrific cosplaying as Hawkman.
How badly is this going to flop?
Judging by Shazam!, even if it only makes another $300 mil, the DCkeks will proclaim it a success.
A better response than “Well I do” would be “Who says I’m a hero?”
Black Adam graduated from Christian Bale's School of Lame Comebacks.
>No, I came back for you.
Would've been better ffs
One little crossbow related death on the first time out and forever branded as the "killing-prone" hero. He wasn't even going to shoot with the crossbow at first, his plan was to burn the house down with the guy inside. That's more arson than murder, but plans change.
>One little crossbow related death on the first time out and forever branded as the "killing-prone" hero
...Have you not read more Golden Age Hawkman than his first story? He continues killing his enemies.
>mask so stupid looking the design morphs in each panel
Unless it's suppose to be alive
>Hastur is a guy in a suit and a goatee that can be killed by an arrow in the chest, instead of an immortal eldritch abomination that drives people mad
I hate old-timey comics
No. It's a very recent thing to depict Hawkman as a killer.
He never even killed In the Johns run. He's a hardass who has the capacity to kill, and has done so in past lives - but Carter doesn't kill.
He'll Hastor shouldn't even be alive anyway, its the same logic whenever Ra's dies.
Imo, he should be adverse to killing since he's done it so many times in his past life.
His newest mini added another layer to that, in his first life, he was such a horrible tyrant that his reincarnations are directly proportional to the lives he’s taken.
>heroes don't kill
I hate this cape meme. No, I don't think violence should be the default option, but holy shit, the idea that there is no one that won't stop harming the innocent until the day they die is naïve and idiotic.
>VULTURE, NOOOOOOO!!
>Anyway...
>killing-prone
The ones he kills aren't people but trash.
Someone post the page with him covered in blood and the new guy scooching his chair away from him. Dude wields a fricking mace and you expect me to believe he never killed anyone?
That’s been only Johns’ idea for him. He isn’t historically been covered in blood guy.
Only because they had no idea wtf to do with him. In almost every media he appears it seems that the story behind him and Hawkwoman is retconned into whatever shit they feel is cool at the time.
Exactly, so this sudden burst of NOT MY HAWKMAN posts is silly.
Warrantless breaking-and-entering, stealing, and violent assaults are fine, unless you're a bad guy that is!
Huntress ranks up there also.
Peacemaker is a better killer
the JSA being the first superheroes is a dumb idea and always has been. Shit should go back to Earth One continuity where there were two concurrent universes that fused where each universe existed in the comics of the other.
What it wrong with Hawkman eye? It looks fake.