There was a reference to it in the Freddie Mercury movie. Can't remember the exact lines but it was something like >*scribbles offer number, hands it over* >*reads* >"That's a big number" >"For you"
Burgeois meritocracy, oligarchy of the few, sure, but not feudal monarchy
In the books he being the son of a mercenary who lucked out and got a small tower in the middle of nowhere was always looked down upon by the nobles.
He never got the woman of his life because he was no high lord, he had to crawl his way up trough deceit and schemes and now he wishes to destroy the system completely and bring upon what would basically be post revolution france
That's my personal take on his book character, the show of course has him lose all braincell and become a generically evil guy as soon as season 5
Yeah he'd be a napoleon figure for sure. The histories he'd have written about him would emphasize how egalitarian and competency focused he was. Hes make some magna carta esque declaration of human rights but still live like an emperor.
Yeah he'd be a napoleon figure for sure. The histories he'd have written about him would emphasize how egalitarian and competency focused he was. Hes make some magna carta esque declaration of human rights but still live like an emperor.
Damn, I never took away that kind of interpretation from the books, but now you guys have me rooting for Littlefinger. Need to find a way to take over the iron throne on ck2 and convert to Merchant Republic now
Well that's my personal take on the character, it's not confirmed but it makes sense
I doubt he expects to be able to claim the throne, he has 0 legitimacy, his best way into power is to get rid of the throne completely.
>Burgeois meritocracy, oligarchy of the few, sure, but not feudal monarchy >he wishes to destroy the system completely and bring upon what would basically be post revolution france
Extremely cringe. Glad D&D fricked him over then.
He wants to rule, and will do anything in his power to get to that point, even if it means burning the entire fricking kingdom down and ruling it's ashes.
That's just a line Varys uses as bait. Baelish is into commodities, not the illusion of godhood. Ashes aren't. commodity.
debt is an illusion, it's just numbers on a sheet of paper. It's assets that matter. Iron Bank can't do shit to take away the assets of the largest kingdom in the known world
>Iron Bank can't do shit
My man
He took out a bunch of loans from a foreign bank to the point that said bank is willing to fund one of the claimants to the throne in order to get that money back.
just messing with people who look down on him
the death they gave him in the show is one of the atrocities the show runners should be burnt at the stake.
Contempt for the system because of his upbringing and the failures/circumstances in his life not quite going the way he had hoped. He's basically all the negative stereotypes associated with the Sigma male sphere paired with the negative cliches of Machiavelli's The Prince. But he's actually competent.
In the early seasons: Creating mystery and hype for a mastermind plan that will happen in the future
In the later seasons: Being a jobber so he they can build up the girlboss characters
Contempt for the system because of his upbringing and the failures/circumstances in his life not quite going the way he had hoped. He's basically all the negative stereotypes associated with the Sigma male sphere paired with the negative cliches of Machiavelli's The Prince. But he's actually competent.
just messing with people who look down on him
the death they gave him in the show is one of the atrocities the show runners should be burnt at the stake.
Nah, he has specific plans, the TV showrunners just messed it up. Like Varys, the "my motivations are abstract and based on general principles" is just an act to obscure his motives.
Killing off those he blamed for him not getting what he wanted and slowly worming his way into higher power to amass wealth. IIRC Harrenhal was one of the most fertile places in the entire land. Compare that with his families original territory which was a couple acres and one small village
him and the bald eunuch think robert, cersei and joffry are morons. bald eunuch wants to rule through the king so he can make the kingdom stable and prosperous. little finger just wants to frick his childhood crush or her daughter and to get a much power as he can
>little finger just wants to frick his childhood crush or her daughter
littlefinger doesnt really care about cat anymore imo. he’s just a seething incel who is more obsessed with the fact that he was utterly humiliated by chad brandon taking his oneitis.
cat is ruined for him thats why he goes after sansa, in his eyes the younger better cat, as a kind of getting even against both her and the starks.
I watched one historian b***h about GoT for hour straight and his biggest criticism was how no one believes in god in the setting. He just tore up the red wedding and religion in general, went on how your peasants would tear your shit up if you actually pulled that stunt in medieval Europe
Now that I think of it everyone is just a fricking atheist. They don't believe in anything
Sort of. They believe in the seven, but most of the nobility don't take it that seriously. They get upset at the Northerners for believing in their Old Gods and at Stannis for the Red God. Then Cersei reignites the religious fanatics and they frick her up. She definitely should have faced extreme backlash after destroying the sept and all those people in it.
Pic related is hard to believe. How can a house get away with gruesome torture as its main trait and even put it on the banner? Everyone would want their deposition and their heads >peasant steals bread >flailing >peasant doesn't pay taxes >flailing >peasant didn't produce enough >flailing >enemy noble is captured >negotiate a ransom? nah flailing >POW captured >flailing
how the frick would they have any good will with other houses and peasants? Not that DND and George thinks about them, they unironically believe nobility holds absolute power.
>how is he not Cinemaphile's hero?
because he turned into a complete moron in the second half of the show while failing to accomplish any big scheme in the end, then dying like a little b***h to Arya and Sansa.
Seething that his childhood crush was married off to some boring guy from Yorkshire. He plans to marry her daughter and re-establish the monarchy under the pretense of meritocracy.
>book-finger has all manner of plots to tie land in the Vale and the North to Sansa so that once she's widowed he can marry her and have a claim to those lands as her husband >Meanwhile show-finger pulled the genius move of marrying off a claimant to the Northern throne to a bastard with no worthwhile claims who's hated by everyone including his father and who'll rape her and maybe even kill her because he's a complete psycho, to further his master plan of... ?????
>he will burn the 7 kingdoms to the ground so he can rule the ashes >is actually a competent administrator actually concerned about the well being of his nation unlike some bald troony who only cares about gossip and appearances >but he's a bad guy toxic chud, I assure you, here is a scene of him being mean to a prostitute, even though game of thrones is "shades of grey" and major characters use prostitutes all the time and it is depicted as le edgy and le sexy
I don't get why he's the bad guy, do I need to brush up on my "media literacy"?
He took out a bunch of loans from a foreign bank to the point that said bank is willing to fund one of the claimants to the throne in order to get that money back.
>YOU'RE MY SMALL COUNCIL, COUNCIL!
A shitty situation can (and almost always does) have many factors. Robert was a dogshit king, and in his own way Eddard was a horrible friend. This doesn't absolve Baelish from taking advantage and lining his own pockets.
debt is an illusion, it's just numbers on a sheet of paper. It's assets that matter. Iron Bank can't do shit to take away the assets of the largest kingdom in the known world
He pretty much manipulated everyone to start the War of the Five Kings. Varys wanted to stop him because a war so early would had forced him to change his own gameplan, but failed.
>the series is a chessgame between baelish and varys! OMG >turns out its actually a duel between arya and the night king
why did this shit become so lame and why did the fat frick not forcefully intervene to prevent this?
>Le mega boss battle is at hand >Yes, finally! >Ahh geez dude guess you aren't getting to see Jon fight the bad guy
I hate these D&D Black folk so much
Because the fat frick got tired of constantly having to keep D&D on track and just gave up and cut ties with them. I’m sure he knew that the show would end up being garbage.
George literally begged D&D to extend the series. Fell to his knees before them, driving deep into the concrete floor, and he begged and begged but to no avail.
He literally tried to stop the war by advising Stark not to be moronic. With war being inevitable, he tried to get the power struggle resolved as quickly as possible before winter, Dothraki and the rumored white walkers arrive.
He was the one who told Lady Aryn to lie to Catelyn about the lannisters, betrayed Ned when he went in on the coup, and lied to Catlyn about having Arya.
Dude is a b***h
>the series is a chessgame between baelish and varys! OMG >turns out its actually a duel between arya and the night king
why did this shit become so lame and why did the fat frick not forcefully intervene to prevent this?
He literally tried to stop the war by advising Stark not to be moronic. With war being inevitable, he tried to get the power struggle resolved as quickly as possible before winter, Dothraki and the rumored white walkers arrive.
Littlefinger told Joffrey not to kill Ned Stark. That was the real opening shot.
But did he do it because he genuinely didn't want his death or did he do it so no one would suspect he is trying to start shit?
If he just said "Yeah joff, murder ned" everyone in the council would have been immediately suspicious as to why he is trying to start a war
I think the original plan was for Dany and Viserys to frick off forever. He definitely figured Viserys would get himself killed, and had Jorah help, and Dany would be a major distraction from his plans while married to Drogo.
>now I just conquer seven kingdoms so [s]he'd leave [his] brother for me
Maybe at first. But after the Hand's Tourney he shifts his oneitis from post-wall Catelyn to pre-wall Sansa.
He knew he was a psycho, he'd have her suffering in his hands for a while then swoop in and rescue her, she'd be forever grateful and willing to do anything for him. This is grooming 101
>You know that character who has fought with a sword for the entire series and is trained in combat with plate armor and whose house's ancestral weapon is a large, valyrian steel longsword? Let's have him dual wield daggers lol
Mel is the most likely to know how to make gunpowder, given that she does all that fire alchemy. Then again she's also a priestess and into mystical woo woo, so she wouldn't "introduce" it so much as make small batches in an elaborate ritual and claim it can't be produced any other way.
>Mel is the most likely to know how to make gunpowder, given that she does all that fire alchemy.
Its literally urine salts, charcoal and sulphur. not hard to make gunpowder
They do, but they've only just invented loading levers - Joffrey has one for hunting and he says it's a new design. That means they're probably at around 14th century technology. Knights still rule the battlefield (for another century or two).
This explains why all the fields are barren, I guess they just happens to be exhausted at this point and they’re farming elsewhere very far from their cities.
I didn’t watch enough of the show to know wether it was a thing or not. But maybe one of the concepts could’ve been that the winter storm that’s coming is piling snow drifts so high that barbabrian armies from the north are using them as ramps to walk into cities and castles making them indefensible.
>and snow piling up 10's of feet high
Never happened in the snow. Even after winter had been going for like a year and the fricking Others showed up and brought even more snow there was still only a sprinkling of snow on the ground, because they couldn't give up their stupid CGI horse charges.
Member when they messed up High Garden and Horn Hill?
Also, where are the fricking roads? They have the money for these huge castles but don’t spend any money on roads? What are their public spending like?
Those are wooden summer roofs that are angled to facilitate air movement in the warmer years. When they get closer to winter they swap out for the pointed roofs your autistic ass wants. The reasoning for this is twofold: cooling effect for summer, and fresh, strong wooden roofing for winter instead of shit that's been out for years
"summer" snows that start showing up towards the end of summer. During the height of summer they get hot days same as Scotland or Scandinavia would if their summers went on for years.
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No, snows that happen during summer, read the books.
>Lannister army awkwardly marching to Highgarden >It immediately falls (they kinda forgot to set up a garrison) >"Fighting was never our forte... I wonder why Tywin never did this from the beginning?" >Entire debt paid from the looting of a single city
They could have at least given the giant a tree-trunk or something. But then they would have a good way to breach the shield wall and that wasn't in the script.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>the shield wall
Oh you mean the shield wall made up of completely random Roman shield designs that aren't seen once before or after the episode? That shield wall?
This. Also, as much as I like the idea of it, the duel of Ned and Arthur Dayne was choreographed horribly. It's genuinely not a fun fight to watch. Wonder if any anons here feel the same way.
3 months ago
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It was the only clip I watched from that season and it was so laughably bad, from the cheap looking costumes to the awful choreography and ugly actors. Also, no Dawn wtf? I lost my mind when I learned that most people loved it. Absolute insanity.
3 months ago
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It was the only clip I watched from that season and it was so laughably bad, from the cheap looking costumes to the awful choreography and ugly actors. Also, no Dawn wtf? I lost my mind when I learned that most people loved it. Absolute insanity.
My favourite bit is the dude who's got a shield but then he just fricking throws it on the ground before getting close so that Dayne can impale him without the shield getting in the way. Absolutely fantastic choreography.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I respectfully disagree. They snubbed Dawn but other than that I thought the fight was fun. Dual wielding longswords is fricking ridiculous but if they were going to do it then this is probably the best they could have done
They could have at least given the giant a tree-trunk or something. But then they would have a good way to breach the shield wall and that wasn't in the script.
If they gave Wun Wun a sling he would be fricking unstoppable. It would be like having a gigantic cannon back hundreds of years before the invention of gunpowder. The shield wall was also fricking stupid, like this giant pile of bodies just randomly spawned out of thin air? Are you fricking serious? And then they just sit there and watch as the Boltons envelope them? Dumbest shit fricking ever
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It was wild. It was like watching a slow motion avalanche falling onto people and telling them, hey move out of the way, you're gonna be crushed! and them looking at you like you're moronic and continuing to stand there until they indeed got crushed. I was so disappointed with every episode but kept watching out of morbid curiosity. And it was astounding hearing people say it's building up to what will surely be the most epic ending ever when all the signs were so clear what was to come. I don't think there will ever be a show quite like it.
>It was like watching a slow motion avalanche falling onto people and telling them, hey move out of the way, you're gonna be crushed! and them looking at you like you're moronic and continuing to stand there until they indeed got crushed
Perfect description
>mfw people claim Battle of The Bastards was the very best episode of any tv show released in the last decade
It was wild. It was like watching a slow motion avalanche falling onto people and telling them, hey move out of the way, you're gonna be crushed! and them looking at you like you're moronic and continuing to stand there until they indeed got crushed. I was so disappointed with every episode but kept watching out of morbid curiosity. And it was astounding hearing people say it's building up to what will surely be the most epic ending ever when all the signs were so clear what was to come. I don't think there will ever be a show quite like it.
It's really good from a spectacle and technical POV, but unless you have your brain turned off it's a disaster
This. Also, as much as I like the idea of it, the duel of Ned and Arthur Dayne was choreographed horribly. It's genuinely not a fun fight to watch. Wonder if any anons here feel the same way.
On the other hand this fight also looks dumb on top of being dumb, a complete failure even technically
3 months ago
Anonymous
>really good from a spectacle and technical POV
Fookin' how?
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's shot really well and the effects are great
Sound design, cgi, practical effects, it works on that level
The arthur dayne fight looks bad too, the props suck, the movements of the actors suck, etc.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Can't tell if bait or moronic
3 months ago
Anonymous
I am baffled, what's wrong with what I said?
>muh horses riding to kill Jon but then he manages to step out of their way and not be killed by his allies that also come charging in on horses it looked so realistic!!!
I did call it moronic, did I not? You guys are insane
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3 months ago
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Did you think it was good on a technical level when a huge wall of cavalry charge straight towards Jon Snow (their number one enemy) and we change angles to see that somehow they ALL passed right by him and leave him unharmed? What about when a gigantic pile of doll bodies randomly spawns from nowhere? Or when everyone stood around and did nothing as the opposing army completely enveloped them? This is comedically bad
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, this shot is cool
The bodies were well done too, good special effects
I don't think you understand my point >they ALL passed right by him >spawns from nowhere
Correct, this is fricking moronic, the whole things falls apart when you turn on your brain
I already said this, do you understand my point now you fricking mongoloid?
Jesus christ this board is composed of fricking morons who cannot handle the slightest passing comment about special effect whitout shitting themselves in the pants
3 months ago
Anonymous
>good special effects
Meant practical
3 months ago
Anonymous
You are one of the dumbest people I have spoken to in quite some time
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's funny considering your points all agree with me >good effects but it's moronic >YOU ARE WRONG IT'S moronic
Jesus christ man have some dignity
3 months ago
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>muh horses riding to kill Jon but then he manages to step out of their way and not be killed by his allies that also come charging in on horses it looked so realistic!!!
It's literally opposite of what they're supposed to be. They are saying the richest, largest family in Westeros only has a teeny, piece of shit castle with nothing around. And the crappy tiny, poor family owns an enormous estate with more wealth than the Lannisters.
Ngl, I love the look of Horn Hill, probably one of the most aesthetically pleasing castles in the series... shame we only really get a quick glimpse of it and the rest is just more dark interiors. Doesn't really make sense though that it mogs Highgarden so badly though.. or even Casterly "Rock"
what got me was that paltry number of soldiers who somehow managed to siege and break Highgarden. those handful of soldiers shown in the show arent sieging shit
in that case you need to explain how it was done. not show a shot of like 20 guys marching towards a big castle, then cut to it already being captured.
The sack of Highgarden wasn't a siege. Do you know what a siege is? In your post
what got me was that paltry number of soldiers who somehow managed to siege and break Highgarden. those handful of soldiers shown in the show arent sieging shit
you discuss how a small number of soldiers isn't sufficient for a siege, and I challenged that.
how do you think it went down between DBD and GRRM?
Did they get high on their own farts and think they could finish the story? Or was GRRM just like frick it bro i dunno how it ends, you're on your own?
It's such a cluster frick it boggles the mind
I was never that into the show but GRRM publicly turning on them a few months after the show ended was a bit tacky. Felt there was an implicit expectation for him to at least release the next book and it wasn’t up for them to create the story’s ending
Always assumed that Littlefinger basically represented the interests of the merchant class but it doesn’t come up because none of the POV characters would be aware of that or care. His control of the Vale seems to be solidified by his assisting in Gulltown merchants marrying into the impoverished houses
Makes sense realizing he isn’t really just a sole figure working on his own but representative of the interests of at least Gulltown and King’s Landing’s merchant class
>assisting in Gulltown merchants marrying into the impoverished houses
He's proto-gentry then? In that case he should really have built his own financial institutions so the Westerosis don't have to keep relying on foreign banks. The obvious first step would be to form an insurance company and get the merchants to pay him monthly premiums for coverage.
If he has enough impoverished knights and on his land he could employ them to train guards for merchant ships. Instead of each merchant running their own small fleet they could all invest in one big company and have giant fleets with an armed escort to explore new routes in Essos.
That would give him the cash flow to form his own bank. Once you have a bank you can sell bonds whenever you need to raise funds.
It just occurred to me the Dutch quasi-Jews in our own history is basically the Iron Bank in ASOIAF. It does make sense, they were doing surprisingly modern finance while the rest of the world other than some Italian city-states still were positively medieval. But even in the Netherlands well into the 1600s medieval shit like still happened, like this is basically the Bolton banner at the time when the Renaissance was done and dusted and gunpowder had already been in widespread use for at least 250 years
So 15-year old Littlefinger gets fricked up in a duel by Brandon Stark and sits out the war, and Lysa Arryn gets her new husband Jon Arryn (the hand of the King) to give Littlefinger a job as head of customs at Gulltown as a favor. Over the next fifteen years, he builds a reputation as a financial wizard, and is progressively given more and more responsibility, working the same magic at every stop along the way to massively increase revenues until eventually he's brought to King's Landing, where he becomes master of coin and becomes tremendously wealthy in his own right, with complete control over every aspect of the realm's finances through a massive system of corruption where almost every government official, top to bottom, pays him kickbacks.
Basically, Littlefinger realized that none of the nobles in Westeros had the slightest interest in understanding anything about finances other than how to spend money, and as long as things were going smoothly, he could do whatever he wanted with no real oversight. Once he had bought the loyalty of everyone at the Realm's treasury, he could cook the books with impunity, and he turned Westeros into a giant Ponzi scheme, borrowing money from everyone with the promise of high returns, and then using the new loans to pay the interest on the old ones, while pocketing some for himself. King Robert's reputation for spending lavishly provided excellent cover for why it's necessary to borrow at all, if the economy was doing so well. Even Tyrion - one of the smartest nobles in Westeros - can't understand Littlefinger's books.
It's probable that his actual plan was to skip town with his huge pile of accumulated wealth and let the whole economy crash and burn once they realized that the vaults were all empty, triggering a financial crises that would result in a massive war. Of course, this is interrupted by the actual war that breaks out.
>The man who just learned what a loan is and doesn't understand why he'd pay one back.
To this day people misunderstand that scene. It was a reference to Varys' riddle to Tyrion about the merchant, the priest, the king and the sell-sword and the nature of where power lies.
Bronn knows what a loan is. His question is genuine: what compells him to pay it back? He's the sell-sword, where power lies.
Allow me to dumb it down for you: >But I gave you money! >>And this gives you... power over me?
Red Wedding was the last good season. The bi-poc Viper of Dorne was the most interesting character in the next season and everything was leading up to his gory demise. After that there just wasn't any fuel left in the tank, it was all just going through the motions and boring resolutions to once-interesting storylines.
All that "realistic" stuff about logistics and preparing for years long harsh winters went out the window. The war and its consequences disappeared. Everything was back to normal status quo at the end.
I watched one historian b***h about GoT for hour straight and his biggest criticism was how no one believes in god in the setting. He just tore up the red wedding and religion in general, went on how your peasants would tear your shit up if you actually pulled that stunt in medieval Europe
Now that I think of it everyone is just a fricking atheist. They don't believe in anything
Sort of. They believe in the seven, but most of the nobility don't take it that seriously. They get upset at the Northerners for believing in their Old Gods and at Stannis for the Red God. Then Cersei reignites the religious fanatics and they frick her up. She definitely should have faced extreme backlash after destroying the sept and all those people in it.
Anon, there is religion all throughout the show. You're being just as dumb as the historian b***h
Not really. Okay, there's*some* religion but it's the modern wishy-washy kind, not the old *I will go to hell for realz* type where people are genuinely afraid
Religion isn't based entirely off of being afraid of where you end up when you die. There are perceived benefits and consequences that affect life on the earthly plain, which is exhibited in the various types of believers in the story. You're narrowing your definition of religion to try to make it not seem relevant in a story that has gods, their priests/priestesses and champions
>Religion isn't based entirely off of being afraid of where you end up when you die
Actually it is. Whatever benefits you listed are secondary because people of old actually, unironically believed in hell. That's a powerful mover
Lmao, fricking westoid mindbroken by Christianity. Maybe try actually looking at the religions of the world before making such nonsensical sweeping statements about religion.
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Why do you think it's just about Christianity? GoT doesn't have anything that would mesh with Hellenistic religion either... Rulers used to take religion really seriously, that's why only 300 Spartans were at Thermopylae
3 months ago
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>300 spartans
lmao
>kills more whites than any other religion >plunges europe in to the darkages for +500 years >destroyed the west forever
Gee why do people hate israeliteworshippers again???
>mention religion other than Christianity >immediately think of israelites first
Like I said, fricking mindbroken.
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>kills more whites than any other religion >plunges europe in to the darkages for +500 years >destroyed the west forever
Gee why do people hate israeliteworshippers again???
3 months ago
Anonymous
>kills more whites than any other religion >plunges europe in to the darkages for +500 years >destroyed the west forever
Why are you bringing germans into this conversation though
3 months ago
Anonymous
more whites than any other religion
europe in to the darkages for +500 years
the west forever
but enough about germany!
3 months ago
Anonymous
oh dear
3 months ago
Anonymous
>clueless shitksin
of course
>kills more whites than any other religion >plunges europe in to the darkages for +500 years >destroyed the west forever
Gee why do people hate israeliteworshippers again???
>depict brutal combat, gruesome murder, disrmboweling people, horrendous torture, things normal people will never encounter in real life >yes. This is good. >depict sex, nudity, and love, things normal people will encounter daily in their real lives >DEGENERATE FILTH! SMUT! THIS IS JUST DISGUSTING PORNOGRAPHY!!!
GRRM makes a bit of an effort but is guilty of self-inserting his atheism into the characters. Catelyn is arguably the only genuinely religious POV, maybe Brienne too.
The main historical counterpart to Littlefinger is Jacques Necker, finance minister to Louis XIV, who was viewed as a financial wizard that kept the completely bankrupt French state afloat almost singlehandedly for more than a decade despite the King's insane personal spending habits by taking on huge amounts of foreign debt and cooking the books.
We wouldn’t be so assblasted and have nightly threads complaining if we didn’t love GoT as much as we did lads. I know it hurts but will we ever move on?
>weedy little man >everyone hates him >nobody trusts him >almost everybody has experience being fricked over by him >despite this he managed to rise above and made it onto the small council >somehow nobody has had him killed just because they haven't
>weedy little man >everyone hates him >nobody trusts him >almost everybody has experience being fricked over by him
None of this is true. Most people see him as a non-factor and a guy who's simply handy to have around. >somehow nobody has had him killed just because they haven't
This is a fair criticism in one case. Tyrion definitely should've killed him when he was Hand. He had all the motive and all the power but backs down because of some hand-wavy bullshit like "ehm he might have powerful friends." This was a shitty contrivance.
he's more like one of the goyim that helped set up a central bank
the lannisters are the israelites >incestuous >nepotistic as frick even by westerosi standards >sex addicts >obsessed with gold >subversive >arrogant >barring tyrion, they have a b***hfit every time anyone criticizes them for anything
jaime can't stop fricking cersei
maybe i'm reading into it too much but i saw tywin banging shae as a man who likes prostitutes enough to get past the fact that his ugly midget son got his grubby hands all over her first
show tommen was addicted to margaery
joffrey was addicted to the sexual satisfaction he got from torturing prostitutes
>show tommen was addicted to margaery
Oh come the frick on anyone non homosexual would be, imagine being a teen and receiving prime tyrell pussy served directly into your chambers
It's also important to note that Westeros is a highly militarized society, where power and status among the nobility is directly linked to one's marital prowess, land holdings and command of bannermen, and family reputation.
Littlefinger is a minor noble with small, marginal land holdings with no bannermen, no family history, and no martial ability. In the eyes of the high nobles, he's nonthreatening, because he's just not playing the same game they are.
In fact, they regard him as a bit of a joke, due to the time he tried to rise above his station by challenging Brandon Stark to a duel, where he was hilariously outmatched and would have been killed if Catelyn Tully hadn't begged for his life to be spared.
They certainly recognize that he's useful for his financial acumen ability to run the apparatus of the administrative state (collect taxes, handling the realm's finances, paying the goldcloaks, etc.) but because of their cultural biases, they regard all of that as something that's slightly sordid and well beneath their stations.
Tyrion was the only one smart enough to try to call him out, but Tywin and Kevan were too caught up in their own status to see the sheep shitter as somebody dangerous. The only other one who knows is Varys, but their interests don't directly conflict, so he doesn't care enough to try to out him.
>everyone hates him >nobody trusts him
He runs a brothel that gets used by businessmen and politicians. He uses it to learn their secrets, which he then either protects or he uses/sells the information to others. Powerful people like him because he feeds them information and this thread is full of morons
>no man you don't understand, politicians are just too used to divulging their darkest secrets and business dealings to random prostitutes they're fricking! It's the perfect plan for blackmail and no one would ever assassinate the guy trying to blackmail them!!!
Blackmailing politicians for visiting prostitutes only works in a society where it's outlawed and no powerful people would remain powerful if they were moronic enough to give up career-breaking secrets to all the prostitutes they frick. It's just as moronic an idea as the scenes where Littlefinger does nothing but explain his motives to his prostitutes, because D&D didn't know how to do it without exposition-dumping and didn't think anyone would pay attention if there weren't dicks and breasts on screen while they did it.
The characters of Varys and Littlefinger are basically switched in the show. In the books everyone mistrusts Varys and likes/trusts Littlefinger, but since we follow the Stark's perspective during book/season 1 we see firsthand that he is a backstabber and a liar. The show forgets the difference between what the audience knows and what the characters in the story know
>littlefinger realizes in that moment that cersei is insane and might kill him at a moment's notice >luckily for cersei, he's not a petty little man with a position that makes him so obscenely rich that he could afford a faceless man to deal with her before she decides to kill him for real
He will never finish the series. Just accept it and move on. At best we'll get a collection of his notes about how the story should have ended published by his editor after he dies from a heart attack.
I've been rewatching GOT clips on youtube for about a week now. I just noticed that they screwed up and Varys calls Joffrey "my Lord" instead of "Your Grace" in this scene.
I was at work last night and I walked by a guy standing alone. He immediately walked away and I immediately inhaled his entire fart he was just assing, it was disgusting.
Beware the lone man.
>doesn't even give her to Roose, meaning she'll become completely useless if he gets a son from his Frey wife because she'll be nothing but the widow of a bastard who holds no claims, if Roose even lets her live after he kills him
Masterful gambit, ser
So is Littlefinger poisoning his own kid on purpose or was it his mother doing it by overprescribing drugs, leading to Littlefinger's plans being upended when his son finally cuts back on the milk of the poppy and regains his health and the love of his people?
Robin isn't LF's kid, he's Jon & Lysa Arryn's kid.
In the books he's instructing the maester to put some strong medication in the kid's food to quell his seizures. Sweetsleep or something. The maester warns him that the stuff doesn't really leave the body so the effect is cumulative. LF tells him to do it anyway, as stopping the boy's embarassing public seizures is important.
>Robin isn't LF's kid, he's Jon & Lysa Arryn's kid.
Anon... If he was Jon's kid then Lysa wouldn't have kept or treasured him. She only kept him and doted on him because she knew it was LF's child. He's the only man that matters in her obsessed mind. The irony being that Jon Arryn was uncovering the Lannister incest plot in King's Landing but completely missing the fact that he'd been cucked himself, because he spent too much time as The Hand to pay attention.
No. Her many stillbirths and miscarriages aren't just useless padding, it's showing she and Jon couldn't have kids together. She then conveniently had Sweetrobin after LF got his position in King's Landing and they could start their affair AND Sweetrobin is small and dark-haired just as LF was as a child. On the other hand at some point Harry The Heir is said to have the look of a young Jon, and he's light-haired and is not at all short or slender-built like Sweetrobin and Littlefinger.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Interesting take. Just never seen it before this thread.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Not the first time that's happened to me. Back before the show got to that point I used to tell people that The Children created the Others to kill off the First Men and that's why they die to one hit from dragonglass, the weapon of the Children, and then they had to join forces with the First Men after the Others learnt how to resurrect corpses to be their meat-shields. People called me crazy and moronic, making up headcanon with no basis, just because I was going off of tiny mentions like the old records that Sam uncovered and just making sense of the chronology between the war and alliance between the Children and First Men. Now everyone seems to act like it's an obvious conclusion or completely made up by D&D, even though it doesn't even make any fricking sense in the show because the zombies don't act as meatshields.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Interesting theory.
My take has always been that it was a problem with Jon Arryn, who was predisposed to having sickly children that were unlikely to make it to term. His first wife died in childbirth following a stillbirth, his second died childless as well.
It's also possible that Lysa's miscarriages were due to some sort damage to her reproductive system after her abortion as a teenager after she got pregnant with Petyr, or that her miscarriages were actually abortions.
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Anonymous
>or that her miscarriages were actually abortions.
I think I favour this idea the most, with her aborting them because they're not Petyr's children, just like she poisoned Jon because Petyr told her to, but it could definitely also just be that Jon's seed was weak. Either way there's a definite connection between that and Jon Arryn figuring out the Lannister/Baratheon seed situation and being unable to recognise his own little situation.
I think the abortion angle helps set her apart from Stannis' wife who also had lots of stillbirths and went crazy over them, pickling them because she couldn't let go of the little kids she wanted and ending up hating the one child she did get to keep. Lysa on the other hand got rid of all those kids because she was forced to abort Petyr's kid and then once she finally got to have that kid she wanted from the start she smothered it with too much love and attention and went crazy in that direction, almost the exact opposite situation as the first one.
This is bad enough thinking about they even built that version. In the books you have to pass through 3 waycastles called Stone, Snow & Sky usually in large buckets pulled up by rope. It is possible to make it by foot but it's incredibly dangerous. And the whole thing has to be shut down in winter because it's on top of a fricking mountain. The logistics of building the book version are pretty much impossible. >The Eyrie is located six hundred feet above a waycastle, Sky. Using handholds carved into the rock within the Giant's Lance, visitors can climb a ladder-like chimney which leads from Sky up to the castle's undercellar.[8] Alternatively, wicker baskets and six great oaken buckets are drawn on long iron chains between the Eyrie and Sky. Supplies can thus brought from Sky to the Eyrie's winch room, as can visitors unable or unwilling to climb the chimney ladder. Oxen are used to turn the winches, and the animals are slaughtered and left for falcons when the Arryns descend to the Gates of the Moon before winter. When the court returns to the Eyrie after winter, unspoiled meat is served in a spring feast.
this is the impression i get too.
like you look at these designs of castles in asoiaf and you can tell they were based on old high fantasy artwork.
the series has the reputation as the low fantasy gritty "realistic" world so when the high fantasy shit sneaks its way in you get people saying that doesnt make sense.
Doesn't The Vale even have their own myths going on about their Heroes slaying winged beasts that lived in the Eyrie? Giant eagles or eagle-men or some shit like that? I always assumed the people who originally lived there had some big dragon-like flying things that made it way more feasible to live up there because you'd just fly up on your steed, until they died out or were killed off by the Andals who took over the place. The Andals certainly wouldn't be using Children magic to build castles and so the castle must be from before the Andals arrived, same as all the other old "impossible" castles in Westeros.
Because George was never a gardener, that's just an excuse for his lazy ass. He just thought oooh house of money, house of food, house of ice, house of pain etc and built a world around it, never actually thinking how these things would naturally interact over time in his millennia of history.
the Boltons haven't openly flayed for like a thousand years
Roose doesn't prance around flaying during peacetime. It makes a big comeback due to the war and Ramsay's sadism. all medieval socities had pretty brutal punishments and methods of torture and it would certainly work as a deterrant to enemies and friends. I wouldn't want to be flayed. mutilation has been a popular way of inspiring fear and seethe throughout history
>and other houses would try to destroy them
Southern houses would, the other Northern houses don't because they're all basically as barbaric, when they're not pretending to be nice to their allies in the South. The Starks were also barbarians until very recently. The only reason they're seen as honourable during the timeline of the books is because Ned was raised in The Vale, the homeland of chivalry and honour. He is nothing like his ancestors who could rule the North because they were the baddest of the bunch.
Personally I'm certain that their words aren't philosophical like Ned uses it, or a warning about the Others. It's a threat. The Starks used to style themselves as The Kings of Winter so when they said Winter Is Coming they just meant that they were coming for your ass, in the same way that the Bolton's brag about having sharp knives. The Northern houses just aren't fancy like the Southern houses, because they withstood the Andal invasion better than the South and had a harder time surviving winters, making the more barbaric houses rise to the top and just adopt braggadocios Words. The Karstark's words are "The Sun of Winter", which sounds fancy until you realise it's just the first Karstark telling you that he's the Son of the King of Winter.
>The Starks were also barbarians until very recently. The only reason they're seen as honourable during the timeline of the books is because Ned was raised in The Vale, the homeland of chivalry and honour. He is nothing like his ancestors who could rule the North because they were the baddest of the bunch.
Ned being a different culture wouldn't change te culture of his people. There would be a disconnect and they'd reject him as a king. Anyone who played crusader kings knows this why is history buff GRMM so clueless?
>The Starks were also barbarians until very recently. The only reason they're seen as honourable during the timeline of the books is because Ned was raised in The Vale, the homeland of chivalry and honour. He is nothing like his ancestors who could rule the North because they were the baddest of the bunch.
Ned being a different culture wouldn't change te culture of his people. There would be a disconnect and they'd reject him as a king. Anyone who played crusader kings knows this why is history buff GRMM so clueless?
Ned wasn't meant to be lord, that's why he could be safely sent off to The Vale, like a second son being sent to the Church, while his older brother was raised like a proper Stark. He only earned the allegiance of his people by fighting in Robert's Rebellion to avenge his father, brother and sister, with him obviously being the better choice to rule in all categories, compared to his younger brother or some Karstark. The North also takes their oaths expressed in front of the Old Gods very seriously, so they definitely wouldn't break their sworn allegiance just because he turned out to be a bit of a fancylad and rebel right after Robert's Rebellion is done, especially not when Ned would also get the backing of the Kingdom since he's basically a oath-brother to the King himself.
Just look at the shit that seemingly noble houses like Manderly gets up to when they're pissed. The North remembers more than their oaths, they remember the Old Ways of blood sacrifices and cursing your enemy by having them eat their own kin.
What I don't get is why it's said that Ned could have taken the throne for himself during the sack of KL simply because he got to the throne room first.
Because the war was done to end Aerys tyranny and in general targaryen irresponsibilty
There was no one who had a definitive claim on the throne they were pushing, so who would be king was kinda up in the air
Bobby was wounded at the time from the Battle of the Bells I think and Ned was defacto leader of the entire rebellion. He held King's Landing and could have easily claimed the throne as his own. Would Bobby even have fought him for it? Maybe but people would be sick of fighting civil wars at this point so Ned would have been at a huge advantage. There is also prescident of the Starks taking Kings Landing by force during the Hour of the Wolf at the end of the Dance and doing a pretty great job of it. Starks have always had a history of honor autism, unfortunately George is actually not the best at worldbuilding so each house has pretty much held the same characteristics as how we know them during the main show
Because people knew Bobby B was an impulsive warrior who liked his drink etc, and not King material. Ned was the strategist and thinker of the two AND he was the one who'd actually been wronged the most. It was his sister that was raped and his father and brother who were slain. Bobby only lost a future wife. If he'd decided to take the throne then Jon Arryn would have fashioned an ancient claim to it just as he did for Bobby and the people, in both The Vale and especially in the North, would have backed it just on the principle that Ned had lost so much to the Mad King that he deserved the throne in recompense.
There would have been much more mythology built up around the Starks that died than there were under Bobby, where the focus was instead put on his wife's abduction and the Mad King sending the message to Jon Arryn about how Bobby was to be killed, and how unjust that was.
I kind of wish Tiktok was a popular thing for the early seasons, just because it could have meant we'd gotten people singing the songs from the books, like when they all started singing sea shanties. It's tragic how few renditions of the songs there are that are both sung by people who can actually sing and have a fitting voice for it AND sound like traditional folk songs usually sound like. All the ones I've found on youtube only fit one of those categories. Good singing voice that fits the song? Music is pop or rock. Music actually sounds like a folk song? Voice is by a nerd who's never sung in front of people. I just want a Songs of Ice And Fire collection made by some Filk veterans.
>It's tragic how few renditions of the songs there are that are both sung by people who can actually sing and have a fitting voice for it AND sound like traditional folk songs usually sound like. All the ones I've found on youtube only fit one of those categories
It's not bad but his voice is too high-pitched and airy for my tastes. It fits better for some other songs like The Dornishman's Wife: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrJoAy6-or0 but for a song that features the word bear so heavily I want a deeper voice like Stan Rogers. H
is rendition of The Dornishman's Wife also feels a bit too fast and not enough like a drinking tune? I prefer Bronn singing it or this version(mostly for the chorus being sung by "the crowd" like a proper rakish drinking song should be) but it doesn't feel perfect either: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0akcRtUhkZk
Bane?
12 goddamn years and I still chuckle every single time I see this.
BANEfort?
>there was never a scene with him calling the Mountain a big guy
There was a reference to it in the Freddie Mercury movie. Can't remember the exact lines but it was something like
>*scribbles offer number, hands it over*
>*reads*
>"That's a big number"
>"For you"
Doctor Pajeel, I'm IB
Lol me too. It's so stupid but I laugh every time.
>snow covered mountains at the bottom
I can't believe I watched this entire thing lmao
what was this homie's endgame?
Burgeois meritocracy, oligarchy of the few, sure, but not feudal monarchy
In the books he being the son of a mercenary who lucked out and got a small tower in the middle of nowhere was always looked down upon by the nobles.
He never got the woman of his life because he was no high lord, he had to crawl his way up trough deceit and schemes and now he wishes to destroy the system completely and bring upon what would basically be post revolution france
That's my personal take on his book character, the show of course has him lose all braincell and become a generically evil guy as soon as season 5
Yeah he'd be a napoleon figure for sure. The histories he'd have written about him would emphasize how egalitarian and competency focused he was. Hes make some magna carta esque declaration of human rights but still live like an emperor.
Damn, I never took away that kind of interpretation from the books, but now you guys have me rooting for Littlefinger. Need to find a way to take over the iron throne on ck2 and convert to Merchant Republic now
>Damn, I never took away that kind of interpretation from the books
because they're just posting their moronic fanfiction
Well that's my personal take on the character, it's not confirmed but it makes sense
I doubt he expects to be able to claim the throne, he has 0 legitimacy, his best way into power is to get rid of the throne completely.
>Burgeois meritocracy, oligarchy of the few, sure, but not feudal monarchy
>he wishes to destroy the system completely and bring upon what would basically be post revolution france
Extremely cringe. Glad D&D fricked him over then.
>giving power to merchants who are solely motivated by coin
°Littlehomosexual gets the rope
He wants to rule, and will do anything in his power to get to that point, even if it means burning the entire fricking kingdom down and ruling it's ashes.
That's just a line Varys uses as bait. Baelish is into commodities, not the illusion of godhood. Ashes aren't. commodity.
>Iron Bank can't do shit
My man
>ruling it is ashes
dumb midwit poster
>ruling it's ashes
just messing with people who look down on him
the death they gave him in the show is one of the atrocities the show runners should be burnt at the stake.
Lil b***h was a sociopath. He deserved worse
Contempt for the system because of his upbringing and the failures/circumstances in his life not quite going the way he had hoped. He's basically all the negative stereotypes associated with the Sigma male sphere paired with the negative cliches of Machiavelli's The Prince. But he's actually competent.
In the early seasons: Creating mystery and hype for a mastermind plan that will happen in the future
In the later seasons: Being a jobber so he they can build up the girlboss characters
>jobber
Only homosexuals talk like this, when they're not busy burying their faces in the crusty buttholes of their fellow homos.
Wrong but whatever floats your moronic headcanon
Says the chronic 4chooner who unironically uses "kek" in every second post.
Crashing Westeros with no survivors
Becoming Mayor of Baltimore
Absholute chaosh
he's the classic "some men just want to watch the world burn "
Nah, he has specific plans, the TV showrunners just messed it up. Like Varys, the "my motivations are abstract and based on general principles" is just an act to obscure his motives.
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Killing off those he blamed for him not getting what he wanted and slowly worming his way into higher power to amass wealth. IIRC Harrenhal was one of the most fertile places in the entire land. Compare that with his families original territory which was a couple acres and one small village
He stabbed too many people in the back though
I don't think Littlefinger (in the books) really has an "endgame", he just grabs whatever power comes his way and just rolls with it.
based and winging it pilled
actual intelligent people can improvise at a moment's notice
him and the bald eunuch think robert, cersei and joffry are morons. bald eunuch wants to rule through the king so he can make the kingdom stable and prosperous. little finger just wants to frick his childhood crush or her daughter and to get a much power as he can
Everyone tells me Bald Eunuch is a Targaryen Restorationist (but another line).
>little finger just wants to frick his childhood crush or her daughter
littlefinger doesnt really care about cat anymore imo. he’s just a seething incel who is more obsessed with the fact that he was utterly humiliated by chad brandon taking his oneitis.
cat is ruined for him thats why he goes after sansa, in his eyes the younger better cat, as a kind of getting even against both her and the starks.
>how is he not Cinemaphile's hero?
Pic related is hard to believe. How can a house get away with gruesome torture as its main trait and even put it on the banner? Everyone would want their deposition and their heads
>peasant steals bread
>flailing
>peasant doesn't pay taxes
>flailing
>peasant didn't produce enough
>flailing
>enemy noble is captured
>negotiate a ransom? nah flailing
>POW captured
>flailing
how the frick would they have any good will with other houses and peasants? Not that DND and George thinks about them, they unironically believe nobility holds absolute power.
>how is he not Cinemaphile's hero?
because he turned into a complete moron in the second half of the show while failing to accomplish any big scheme in the end, then dying like a little b***h to Arya and Sansa.
2 b***hes at the same time
He literally said in the show that he wants to sit on the Iron Throne and rule over everything.
chaosh, ish a laddah
and with a laddah even the smallesht midge can casht a big guy'sh shadow...
he wanted a picture of him, on the iron throne
TLDR; To be Toyotomi Hideyoshi
Seething that his childhood crush was married off to some boring guy from Yorkshire. He plans to marry her daughter and re-establish the monarchy under the pretense of meritocracy.
>book-finger has all manner of plots to tie land in the Vale and the North to Sansa so that once she's widowed he can marry her and have a claim to those lands as her husband
>Meanwhile show-finger pulled the genius move of marrying off a claimant to the Northern throne to a bastard with no worthwhile claims who's hated by everyone including his father and who'll rape her and maybe even kill her because he's a complete psycho, to further his master plan of... ?????
to call itin
>everyone speaks the same language
Lol. Lmao
This
I traveled to England and everyone spoke English
Immersion ruined
Westeros is bigger than europe
Nice try Sanjay
Westeros is a continent, england is PART of an island.
I went to England once and over half the people spoke Indian or Arabic. Weird.
you think medieval england all spoke english? They spoke 4-5 different languages
Black person velarayon gross.
>But... your nephew...
>HE WAS A BASTARD OF STRONG
No they don't
Only in the 7 kingdoms.
littlefinger is an isekai protagonist
but is he a native isekai protagonist?
That genre doesn't exist.
Wrong, see LOTR and Hobbit. Hobbits are perfect examples of native isekai protagonists.
>native other world
So he's native to the world that has other worlders?
native isekai is an Cinemaphile pejorative for fantasy stories that rely on isekai tropes or elements
No, moron, you missed the joke.
Overlord sequel
What was his cheat power?
He only had knowledge of future events from up to the latest book that was written.
He has a smartphone.
How did he recharge it?
>he will burn the 7 kingdoms to the ground so he can rule the ashes
>is actually a competent administrator actually concerned about the well being of his nation unlike some bald troony who only cares about gossip and appearances
>but he's a bad guy toxic chud, I assure you, here is a scene of him being mean to a prostitute, even though game of thrones is "shades of grey" and major characters use prostitutes all the time and it is depicted as le edgy and le sexy
I don't get why he's the bad guy, do I need to brush up on my "media literacy"?
Didn't he basically loot the treasury and was corrupt as frick?
He took out a bunch of loans from a foreign bank to the point that said bank is willing to fund one of the claimants to the throne in order to get that money back.
That was really Robert's fault for bankrupting the kingdom
>YOU'RE MY SMALL COUNCIL, COUNCIL!
A shitty situation can (and almost always does) have many factors. Robert was a dogshit king, and in his own way Eddard was a horrible friend. This doesn't absolve Baelish from taking advantage and lining his own pockets.
>concerned about the well being of the nation
>intentionally indebts it to foreign aid and an aryan cult for his own profit
baelish pls
debt is an illusion, it's just numbers on a sheet of paper. It's assets that matter. Iron Bank can't do shit to take away the assets of the largest kingdom in the known world
He pretty much manipulated everyone to start the War of the Five Kings. Varys wanted to stop him because a war so early would had forced him to change his own gameplan, but failed.
>the series is a chessgame between baelish and varys! OMG
>turns out its actually a duel between arya and the night king
why did this shit become so lame and why did the fat frick not forcefully intervene to prevent this?
>Le mega boss battle is at hand
>Yes, finally!
>Ahh geez dude guess you aren't getting to see Jon fight the bad guy
I hate these D&D Black folk so much
Because the fat frick got tired of constantly having to keep D&D on track and just gave up and cut ties with them. I’m sure he knew that the show would end up being garbage.
George literally begged D&D to extend the series. Fell to his knees before them, driving deep into the concrete floor, and he begged and begged but to no avail.
>George literally begged D&D to extend the series.
HBO as well. The should could have gone on for 12 seasons, but D&D were to prideful to hand if off after the Red Wedding.
Why? Were they funding the series? If not, who cares what they think. give the reins to someone else.
He literally tried to stop the war by advising Stark not to be moronic. With war being inevitable, he tried to get the power struggle resolved as quickly as possible before winter, Dothraki and the rumored white walkers arrive.
He was the one who told Lady Aryn to lie to Catelyn about the lannisters, betrayed Ned when he went in on the coup, and lied to Catlyn about having Arya.
Dude is a b***h
Littlefinger told Joffrey not to kill Ned Stark. That was the real opening shot.
But did he do it because he genuinely didn't want his death or did he do it so no one would suspect he is trying to start shit?
If he just said "Yeah joff, murder ned" everyone in the council would have been immediately suspicious as to why he is trying to start a war
In the books he is shocked by the announcement by Joffrey
Well yeah, nobody expected it, doesn't mean he was particularly against it
>Littlefinger told Joffrey not to kill Ned Stark. That was the real opening shot.
EVERYONE told Joffrey not to kill Ned.
What the frick was Vary's original plan? How does Faegon end up on the throne if Drago is backing Dany?
I think the original plan was for Dany and Viserys to frick off forever. He definitely figured Viserys would get himself killed, and had Jorah help, and Dany would be a major distraction from his plans while married to Drogo.
>competent administrator
>concerned with the well being of his nation
>is actually a competent administrator actually concerned about the well being of his nation
>I don't get why he's the bad guy
He's not, he's depicted as conniving. "Good guys" get murderized in this show, all of them.
Hes the Gatsby of ASOIAF. The underdog.
that's quite a large crop you have there
If I harvest it all would you starve?
I would be extremely hungry.
You are a skinny guy.
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>I got NTR'd by my crush's dead boyfriend and now I just conquer seven kingdoms so he'd leave her brother for me
>now I just conquer seven kingdoms so [s]he'd leave [his] brother for me
Maybe at first. But after the Hand's Tourney he shifts his oneitis from post-wall Catelyn to pre-wall Sansa.
>marries her off to roose butthole's bastard son
He knew he was a psycho, he'd have her suffering in his hands for a while then swoop in and rescue her, she'd be forever grateful and willing to do anything for him. This is grooming 101
CIA has always been a true Cinemaphile poster
It would be extremely beneficial
FOR YOU!
PLAY WITH HER ARSH
he's a smart guy
>Pretties up your parachute
>gives probably the most valuable maiden to the boltons and then does nothing
>You know that character who has fought with a sword for the entire series and is trained in combat with plate armor and whose house's ancestral weapon is a large, valyrian steel longsword? Let's have him dual wield daggers lol
He should have introduced firearms.
Mel is the most likely to know how to make gunpowder, given that she does all that fire alchemy. Then again she's also a priestess and into mystical woo woo, so she wouldn't "introduce" it so much as make small batches in an elaborate ritual and claim it can't be produced any other way.
she had the best boobs in the entire show
micro nips.
>Mel is the most likely to know how to make gunpowder, given that she does all that fire alchemy.
Its literally urine salts, charcoal and sulphur. not hard to make gunpowder
Then who gives a shit about knights and sword fighting when any 4’11” dork could just shoot the hound in the face with a gun.
Do they not have crossbows in GoTworld?
They do, but they've only just invented loading levers - Joffrey has one for hunting and he says it's a new design. That means they're probably at around 14th century technology. Knights still rule the battlefield (for another century or two).
GoTworld is all over the place. Some stuff is late renaissance tier while antiquity-level slave states are still chilling in other parts of the world.
You know swords and spears were still used for hundreds of years after blackpowder weapons arrived on the battlefield, right?
people just weren't ready for his ideas. but their grand kids are gonna love them
Heh
shansha?
shurly you're not upset about a teensy, widdle bit of rape?
This explains why all the fields are barren, I guess they just happens to be exhausted at this point and they’re farming elsewhere very far from their cities.
Is that Wintershell? Winterbell? Wintersneed?
>flat roofs in an area known for huge blizzards and snow piling up 10's of feet high
I didn’t watch enough of the show to know wether it was a thing or not. But maybe one of the concepts could’ve been that the winter storm that’s coming is piling snow drifts so high that barbabrian armies from the north are using them as ramps to walk into cities and castles making them indefensible.
That may have been neat. Winterfell at least was supposed to have a very tall outer wall
They build ramps out of the snow like Roman siege tactics at Masada
>and snow piling up 10's of feet high
Never happened in the snow. Even after winter had been going for like a year and the fricking Others showed up and brought even more snow there was still only a sprinkling of snow on the ground, because they couldn't give up their stupid CGI horse charges.
You can't see it here but the roofs are slanted inwards in a funnel shape to allow for snowmelt runoff to accumulate inside.
No, they're not. And that would be a stupid excuse anyway
Also, where are the fricking roads? They have the money for these huge castles but don’t spend any money on roads? What are their public spending like?
Winterfell in the show was so fricking ugly and stupid.
Those are wooden summer roofs that are angled to facilitate air movement in the warmer years. When they get closer to winter they swap out for the pointed roofs your autistic ass wants. The reasoning for this is twofold: cooling effect for summer, and fresh, strong wooden roofing for winter instead of shit that's been out for years
Summers aren't hot in the north.
Yes they are. They're not fricking inuits.
Summer snows
"summer" snows that start showing up towards the end of summer. During the height of summer they get hot days same as Scotland or Scandinavia would if their summers went on for years.
No, snows that happen during summer, read the books.
>Irregular winters in asoiaf are due to three body solar system
Dark sun?
Yes. It's Planetos, their sun and a dark dwarf sun, where the dragons come from.
He was one handsome motherfricker. My favourite character.
Member when they messed up High Garden and Horn Hill?
Horn Hill isn't so bad. You can at least see obvious farm work and roads around the castle.
>Lannister army awkwardly marching to Highgarden
>It immediately falls (they kinda forgot to set up a garrison)
>"Fighting was never our forte... I wonder why Tywin never did this from the beginning?"
>Entire debt paid from the looting of a single city
Show was always garbage but this shit was unreal
Watching people praise S7 when it first came out had me fricking baffled.
By then the discourse around the show was completely taken over by grrl power normies.
It’s why I’ll always be a little grateful for season 8. Normies finally recognizing the show was shit made me feel like I wasn’t crazy
I remember once seeing a meme shitting on S8 that highlighted the A-Team episode in S7 as "old GoT" at the former's expense
>mfw people claim Battle of The Bastards was the very best episode of any tv show released in the last decade
Battle of the Bastards was a complete piece of shit and it was insane to watch people praise it so much
They could have at least given the giant a tree-trunk or something. But then they would have a good way to breach the shield wall and that wasn't in the script.
>the shield wall
Oh you mean the shield wall made up of completely random Roman shield designs that aren't seen once before or after the episode? That shield wall?
This. Also, as much as I like the idea of it, the duel of Ned and Arthur Dayne was choreographed horribly. It's genuinely not a fun fight to watch. Wonder if any anons here feel the same way.
It was the only clip I watched from that season and it was so laughably bad, from the cheap looking costumes to the awful choreography and ugly actors. Also, no Dawn wtf? I lost my mind when I learned that most people loved it. Absolute insanity.
My favourite bit is the dude who's got a shield but then he just fricking throws it on the ground before getting close so that Dayne can impale him without the shield getting in the way. Absolutely fantastic choreography.
I respectfully disagree. They snubbed Dawn but other than that I thought the fight was fun. Dual wielding longswords is fricking ridiculous but if they were going to do it then this is probably the best they could have done
If they gave Wun Wun a sling he would be fricking unstoppable. It would be like having a gigantic cannon back hundreds of years before the invention of gunpowder. The shield wall was also fricking stupid, like this giant pile of bodies just randomly spawned out of thin air? Are you fricking serious? And then they just sit there and watch as the Boltons envelope them? Dumbest shit fricking ever
>It was like watching a slow motion avalanche falling onto people and telling them, hey move out of the way, you're gonna be crushed! and them looking at you like you're moronic and continuing to stand there until they indeed got crushed
Perfect description
It was wild. It was like watching a slow motion avalanche falling onto people and telling them, hey move out of the way, you're gonna be crushed! and them looking at you like you're moronic and continuing to stand there until they indeed got crushed. I was so disappointed with every episode but kept watching out of morbid curiosity. And it was astounding hearing people say it's building up to what will surely be the most epic ending ever when all the signs were so clear what was to come. I don't think there will ever be a show quite like it.
It's really good from a spectacle and technical POV, but unless you have your brain turned off it's a disaster
On the other hand this fight also looks dumb on top of being dumb, a complete failure even technically
>really good from a spectacle and technical POV
Fookin' how?
It's shot really well and the effects are great
Sound design, cgi, practical effects, it works on that level
The arthur dayne fight looks bad too, the props suck, the movements of the actors suck, etc.
Can't tell if bait or moronic
I am baffled, what's wrong with what I said?
I did call it moronic, did I not? You guys are insane
Did you think it was good on a technical level when a huge wall of cavalry charge straight towards Jon Snow (their number one enemy) and we change angles to see that somehow they ALL passed right by him and leave him unharmed? What about when a gigantic pile of doll bodies randomly spawns from nowhere? Or when everyone stood around and did nothing as the opposing army completely enveloped them? This is comedically bad
Yeah, this shot is cool
The bodies were well done too, good special effects
I don't think you understand my point
>they ALL passed right by him
>spawns from nowhere
Correct, this is fricking moronic, the whole things falls apart when you turn on your brain
I already said this, do you understand my point now you fricking mongoloid?
Jesus christ this board is composed of fricking morons who cannot handle the slightest passing comment about special effect whitout shitting themselves in the pants
>good special effects
Meant practical
You are one of the dumbest people I have spoken to in quite some time
It's funny considering your points all agree with me
>good effects but it's moronic
>YOU ARE WRONG IT'S moronic
Jesus christ man have some dignity
>muh horses riding to kill Jon but then he manages to step out of their way and not be killed by his allies that also come charging in on horses it looked so realistic!!!
That doesn't look that bad.
It's literally opposite of what they're supposed to be. They are saying the richest, largest family in Westeros only has a teeny, piece of shit castle with nothing around. And the crappy tiny, poor family owns an enormous estate with more wealth than the Lannisters.
Ngl, I love the look of Horn Hill, probably one of the most aesthetically pleasing castles in the series... shame we only really get a quick glimpse of it and the rest is just more dark interiors. Doesn't really make sense though that it mogs Highgarden so badly though.. or even Casterly "Rock"
what got me was that paltry number of soldiers who somehow managed to siege and break Highgarden. those handful of soldiers shown in the show arent sieging shit
Highgarden kind of forgot they had a huge army that was instrumental to winning the WofFK.
>those handful of soldiers shown in the show arent sieging shit
You don't always need too many soldiers for a successful siege.
in that case you need to explain how it was done. not show a shot of like 20 guys marching towards a big castle, then cut to it already being captured.
10 good men my ass
> 20 guys
Did you even watch the show?
The sack of Highgarden wasn't a siege. Do you know what a siege is? In your post
you discuss how a small number of soldiers isn't sufficient for a siege, and I challenged that.
>cavalry in the front and center
Storms end mogs hard
how do you think it went down between DBD and GRRM?
Did they get high on their own farts and think they could finish the story? Or was GRRM just like frick it bro i dunno how it ends, you're on your own?
It's such a cluster frick it boggles the mind
I was never that into the show but GRRM publicly turning on them a few months after the show ended was a bit tacky. Felt there was an implicit expectation for him to at least release the next book and it wasn’t up for them to create the story’s ending
KAOSH ISH A LADDA
crop rotation was invented by george washington carter. the same guy that invented the peanut.
Always assumed that Littlefinger basically represented the interests of the merchant class but it doesn’t come up because none of the POV characters would be aware of that or care. His control of the Vale seems to be solidified by his assisting in Gulltown merchants marrying into the impoverished houses
Makes sense realizing he isn’t really just a sole figure working on his own but representative of the interests of at least Gulltown and King’s Landing’s merchant class
>assisting in Gulltown merchants marrying into the impoverished houses
He's proto-gentry then? In that case he should really have built his own financial institutions so the Westerosis don't have to keep relying on foreign banks. The obvious first step would be to form an insurance company and get the merchants to pay him monthly premiums for coverage.
If he has enough impoverished knights and on his land he could employ them to train guards for merchant ships. Instead of each merchant running their own small fleet they could all invest in one big company and have giant fleets with an armed escort to explore new routes in Essos.
That would give him the cash flow to form his own bank. Once you have a bank you can sell bonds whenever you need to raise funds.
It just occurred to me the Dutch quasi-Jews in our own history is basically the Iron Bank in ASOIAF. It does make sense, they were doing surprisingly modern finance while the rest of the world other than some Italian city-states still were positively medieval. But even in the Netherlands well into the 1600s medieval shit like still happened, like this is basically the Bolton banner at the time when the Renaissance was done and dusted and gunpowder had already been in widespread use for at least 250 years
GRRM is to fantasy as King is to horror. A literary pig trough.
christcuck begone
So 15-year old Littlefinger gets fricked up in a duel by Brandon Stark and sits out the war, and Lysa Arryn gets her new husband Jon Arryn (the hand of the King) to give Littlefinger a job as head of customs at Gulltown as a favor. Over the next fifteen years, he builds a reputation as a financial wizard, and is progressively given more and more responsibility, working the same magic at every stop along the way to massively increase revenues until eventually he's brought to King's Landing, where he becomes master of coin and becomes tremendously wealthy in his own right, with complete control over every aspect of the realm's finances through a massive system of corruption where almost every government official, top to bottom, pays him kickbacks.
Basically, Littlefinger realized that none of the nobles in Westeros had the slightest interest in understanding anything about finances other than how to spend money, and as long as things were going smoothly, he could do whatever he wanted with no real oversight. Once he had bought the loyalty of everyone at the Realm's treasury, he could cook the books with impunity, and he turned Westeros into a giant Ponzi scheme, borrowing money from everyone with the promise of high returns, and then using the new loans to pay the interest on the old ones, while pocketing some for himself. King Robert's reputation for spending lavishly provided excellent cover for why it's necessary to borrow at all, if the economy was doing so well. Even Tyrion - one of the smartest nobles in Westeros - can't understand Littlefinger's books.
It's probable that his actual plan was to skip town with his huge pile of accumulated wealth and let the whole economy crash and burn once they realized that the vaults were all empty, triggering a financial crises that would result in a massive war. Of course, this is interrupted by the actual war that breaks out.
TL;DR Littlefinger is Bernie Madoff.
I really hate that this makes a lot of sense, but I will admit that I would love it, if this was the actual background of Baelish
And who is his successor as Master of Coin? Bronn. The man who just learned what a loan is and doesn't understand why he'd pay one back.
>The man who just learned what a loan is and doesn't understand why he'd pay one back.
To this day people misunderstand that scene. It was a reference to Varys' riddle to Tyrion about the merchant, the priest, the king and the sell-sword and the nature of where power lies.
Bronn knows what a loan is. His question is genuine: what compells him to pay it back? He's the sell-sword, where power lies.
Allow me to dumb it down for you:
>But I gave you money!
>>And this gives you... power over me?
What was the point of no return for the show? Season 4?
Red Wedding was the last good season. The bi-poc Viper of Dorne was the most interesting character in the next season and everything was leading up to his gory demise. After that there just wasn't any fuel left in the tank, it was all just going through the motions and boring resolutions to once-interesting storylines.
yes, that's the end for me
The show died with Tywin.
After that everyonne became one dimensional with their only motivation to A) advance the plot or B) be comedic relief
I was disappointed this series didn't end with widespread famine reaching kings landing all the while the walkers are about to steam roll the Freys.
All that "realistic" stuff about logistics and preparing for years long harsh winters went out the window. The war and its consequences disappeared. Everything was back to normal status quo at the end.
>teach farmers how to farm
Bravo token
I watched one historian b***h about GoT for hour straight and his biggest criticism was how no one believes in god in the setting. He just tore up the red wedding and religion in general, went on how your peasants would tear your shit up if you actually pulled that stunt in medieval Europe
Now that I think of it everyone is just a fricking atheist. They don't believe in anything
Sort of. They believe in the seven, but most of the nobility don't take it that seriously. They get upset at the Northerners for believing in their Old Gods and at Stannis for the Red God. Then Cersei reignites the religious fanatics and they frick her up. She definitely should have faced extreme backlash after destroying the sept and all those people in it.
They really really don't though
Not really. Okay, there's*some* religion but it's the modern wishy-washy kind, not the old *I will go to hell for realz* type where people are genuinely afraid
Religion isn't based entirely off of being afraid of where you end up when you die. There are perceived benefits and consequences that affect life on the earthly plain, which is exhibited in the various types of believers in the story. You're narrowing your definition of religion to try to make it not seem relevant in a story that has gods, their priests/priestesses and champions
>Religion isn't based entirely off of being afraid of where you end up when you die
Actually it is. Whatever benefits you listed are secondary because people of old actually, unironically believed in hell. That's a powerful mover
Lmao, fricking westoid mindbroken by Christianity. Maybe try actually looking at the religions of the world before making such nonsensical sweeping statements about religion.
Why do you think it's just about Christianity? GoT doesn't have anything that would mesh with Hellenistic religion either... Rulers used to take religion really seriously, that's why only 300 Spartans were at Thermopylae
>300 spartans
lmao
>mention religion other than Christianity
>immediately think of israelites first
Like I said, fricking mindbroken.
>kills more whites than any other religion
>plunges europe in to the darkages for +500 years
>destroyed the west forever
Gee why do people hate israeliteworshippers again???
>kills more whites than any other religion
>plunges europe in to the darkages for +500 years
>destroyed the west forever
Why are you bringing germans into this conversation though
more whites than any other religion
europe in to the darkages for +500 years
the west forever
but enough about germany!
oh dear
>clueless shitksin
of course
nice try, shlomo
What does he eat?
Isn't the red wedding an exaggeration of a real event? In the war of the roses.
https://dundeescottishculture.org/history/scottish-history-at-a-glance-the-black-dinner-of-1440/
>an exaggeration of a real event
Whole story is just War of the Roses with smut.
>depict brutal combat, gruesome murder, disrmboweling people, horrendous torture, things normal people will never encounter in real life
>yes. This is good.
>depict sex, nudity, and love, things normal people will encounter daily in their real lives
>DEGENERATE FILTH! SMUT! THIS IS JUST DISGUSTING PORNOGRAPHY!!!
>DEGENERATE FILTH! SMUT! THIS IS JUST DISGUSTING PORNOGRAPHY!!!
Yes.
Sex is bad.
I like sex. Sex is good. Killing is bad. ~~*They*~~ want you to think killing is good and do it more.
GRRM makes a bit of an effort but is guilty of self-inserting his atheism into the characters. Catelyn is arguably the only genuinely religious POV, maybe Brienne too.
Anon, there is religion all throughout the show. You're being just as dumb as the historian b***h
The initial setup of the series is akin to the War of the Roses. Starks and Lannisters even sounds like Yorks and Lancasters.
it didn't matter back then because people didn't spray gallons of pesticides on everything, tiring the soil.
When did that happen?
>chaos is a big ladder
>for you
The main historical counterpart to Littlefinger is Jacques Necker, finance minister to Louis XIV, who was viewed as a financial wizard that kept the completely bankrupt French state afloat almost singlehandedly for more than a decade despite the King's insane personal spending habits by taking on huge amounts of foreign debt and cooking the books.
We wouldn’t be so assblasted and have nightly threads complaining if we didn’t love GoT as much as we did lads. I know it hurts but will we ever move on?
Two more weeks until Winds.
>weedy little man
>everyone hates him
>nobody trusts him
>almost everybody has experience being fricked over by him
>despite this he managed to rise above and made it onto the small council
>somehow nobody has had him killed just because they haven't
>weedy little man
>everyone hates him
>nobody trusts him
>almost everybody has experience being fricked over by him
None of this is true. Most people see him as a non-factor and a guy who's simply handy to have around.
>somehow nobody has had him killed just because they haven't
This is a fair criticism in one case. Tyrion definitely should've killed him when he was Hand. He had all the motive and all the power but backs down because of some hand-wavy bullshit like "ehm he might have powerful friends." This was a shitty contrivance.
sounds pretty realistic to me, all he's missing is a hook nose
he's more like one of the goyim that helped set up a central bank
the lannisters are the israelites
>incestuous
>nepotistic as frick even by westerosi standards
>sex addicts
>obsessed with gold
>subversive
>arrogant
>barring tyrion, they have a b***hfit every time anyone criticizes them for anything
are they sex addicts? the only ones that would fit that description are tyrion and maybe cersei who is just a prostitute
jaime can't stop fricking cersei
maybe i'm reading into it too much but i saw tywin banging shae as a man who likes prostitutes enough to get past the fact that his ugly midget son got his grubby hands all over her first
show tommen was addicted to margaery
joffrey was addicted to the sexual satisfaction he got from torturing prostitutes
>show tommen was addicted to margaery
Oh come the frick on anyone non homosexual would be, imagine being a teen and receiving prime tyrell pussy served directly into your chambers
That's DnD being morons in his portrayal of him as some mustache twirling villain. Book Littlefinger is everybody's friend and flies under the radar.
Exactly.
It's also important to note that Westeros is a highly militarized society, where power and status among the nobility is directly linked to one's marital prowess, land holdings and command of bannermen, and family reputation.
Littlefinger is a minor noble with small, marginal land holdings with no bannermen, no family history, and no martial ability. In the eyes of the high nobles, he's nonthreatening, because he's just not playing the same game they are.
In fact, they regard him as a bit of a joke, due to the time he tried to rise above his station by challenging Brandon Stark to a duel, where he was hilariously outmatched and would have been killed if Catelyn Tully hadn't begged for his life to be spared.
They certainly recognize that he's useful for his financial acumen ability to run the apparatus of the administrative state (collect taxes, handling the realm's finances, paying the goldcloaks, etc.) but because of their cultural biases, they regard all of that as something that's slightly sordid and well beneath their stations.
Tyrion was the only one smart enough to try to call him out, but Tywin and Kevan were too caught up in their own status to see the sheep shitter as somebody dangerous. The only other one who knows is Varys, but their interests don't directly conflict, so he doesn't care enough to try to out him.
>everyone hates him
>nobody trusts him
He runs a brothel that gets used by businessmen and politicians. He uses it to learn their secrets, which he then either protects or he uses/sells the information to others. Powerful people like him because he feeds them information and this thread is full of morons
>no man you don't understand, politicians are just too used to divulging their darkest secrets and business dealings to random prostitutes they're fricking! It's the perfect plan for blackmail and no one would ever assassinate the guy trying to blackmail them!!!
Blackmailing politicians for visiting prostitutes only works in a society where it's outlawed and no powerful people would remain powerful if they were moronic enough to give up career-breaking secrets to all the prostitutes they frick. It's just as moronic an idea as the scenes where Littlefinger does nothing but explain his motives to his prostitutes, because D&D didn't know how to do it without exposition-dumping and didn't think anyone would pay attention if there weren't dicks and breasts on screen while they did it.
he's still alive in the books right? that means we'll never know
The characters of Varys and Littlefinger are basically switched in the show. In the books everyone mistrusts Varys and likes/trusts Littlefinger, but since we follow the Stark's perspective during book/season 1 we see firsthand that he is a backstabber and a liar. The show forgets the difference between what the audience knows and what the characters in the story know
And the show has that silly moment where Littlefinger makes a douche comment to Cersei so she threatens to kill him
>littlefinger realizes in that moment that cersei is insane and might kill him at a moment's notice
>luckily for cersei, he's not a petty little man with a position that makes him so obscenely rich that he could afford a faceless man to deal with her before she decides to kill him for real
>Five years since GoT finished and he still hasn't written the fricking book
He will never finish the series. Just accept it and move on. At best we'll get a collection of his notes about how the story should have ended published by his editor after he dies from a heart attack.
I think Winds is at least coming out in a few years. Dream will forever be a dream.
he was the Trotsky of Westeros
I've been rewatching GOT clips on youtube for about a week now. I just noticed that they screwed up and Varys calls Joffrey "my Lord" instead of "Your Grace" in this scene.
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*introduces crop dusting*
FPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I was at work last night and I walked by a guy standing alone. He immediately walked away and I immediately inhaled his entire fart he was just assing, it was disgusting.
Beware the lone man.
Kino post
>doesn't even give her to Roose, meaning she'll become completely useless if he gets a son from his Frey wife because she'll be nothing but the widow of a bastard who holds no claims, if Roose even lets her live after he kills him
Masterful gambit, ser
So is Littlefinger poisoning his own kid on purpose or was it his mother doing it by overprescribing drugs, leading to Littlefinger's plans being upended when his son finally cuts back on the milk of the poppy and regains his health and the love of his people?
Robin isn't LF's kid, he's Jon & Lysa Arryn's kid.
In the books he's instructing the maester to put some strong medication in the kid's food to quell his seizures. Sweetsleep or something. The maester warns him that the stuff doesn't really leave the body so the effect is cumulative. LF tells him to do it anyway, as stopping the boy's embarassing public seizures is important.
>Robin isn't LF's kid, he's Jon & Lysa Arryn's kid.
Anon... If he was Jon's kid then Lysa wouldn't have kept or treasured him. She only kept him and doted on him because she knew it was LF's child. He's the only man that matters in her obsessed mind. The irony being that Jon Arryn was uncovering the Lannister incest plot in King's Landing but completely missing the fact that he'd been cucked himself, because he spent too much time as The Hand to pay attention.
First time I've encountered this theory in all my /got/ years. Are you havin' a laugh?
No. Her many stillbirths and miscarriages aren't just useless padding, it's showing she and Jon couldn't have kids together. She then conveniently had Sweetrobin after LF got his position in King's Landing and they could start their affair AND Sweetrobin is small and dark-haired just as LF was as a child. On the other hand at some point Harry The Heir is said to have the look of a young Jon, and he's light-haired and is not at all short or slender-built like Sweetrobin and Littlefinger.
Interesting take. Just never seen it before this thread.
Not the first time that's happened to me. Back before the show got to that point I used to tell people that The Children created the Others to kill off the First Men and that's why they die to one hit from dragonglass, the weapon of the Children, and then they had to join forces with the First Men after the Others learnt how to resurrect corpses to be their meat-shields. People called me crazy and moronic, making up headcanon with no basis, just because I was going off of tiny mentions like the old records that Sam uncovered and just making sense of the chronology between the war and alliance between the Children and First Men. Now everyone seems to act like it's an obvious conclusion or completely made up by D&D, even though it doesn't even make any fricking sense in the show because the zombies don't act as meatshields.
Interesting theory.
My take has always been that it was a problem with Jon Arryn, who was predisposed to having sickly children that were unlikely to make it to term. His first wife died in childbirth following a stillbirth, his second died childless as well.
It's also possible that Lysa's miscarriages were due to some sort damage to her reproductive system after her abortion as a teenager after she got pregnant with Petyr, or that her miscarriages were actually abortions.
>or that her miscarriages were actually abortions.
I think I favour this idea the most, with her aborting them because they're not Petyr's children, just like she poisoned Jon because Petyr told her to, but it could definitely also just be that Jon's seed was weak. Either way there's a definite connection between that and Jon Arryn figuring out the Lannister/Baratheon seed situation and being unable to recognise his own little situation.
I think the abortion angle helps set her apart from Stannis' wife who also had lots of stillbirths and went crazy over them, pickling them because she couldn't let go of the little kids she wanted and ending up hating the one child she did get to keep. Lysa on the other hand got rid of all those kids because she was forced to abort Petyr's kid and then once she finally got to have that kid she wanted from the start she smothered it with too much love and attention and went crazy in that direction, almost the exact opposite situation as the first one.
Kino theory
This is bad enough thinking about they even built that version. In the books you have to pass through 3 waycastles called Stone, Snow & Sky usually in large buckets pulled up by rope. It is possible to make it by foot but it's incredibly dangerous. And the whole thing has to be shut down in winter because it's on top of a fricking mountain. The logistics of building the book version are pretty much impossible.
>The Eyrie is located six hundred feet above a waycastle, Sky. Using handholds carved into the rock within the Giant's Lance, visitors can climb a ladder-like chimney which leads from Sky up to the castle's undercellar.[8] Alternatively, wicker baskets and six great oaken buckets are drawn on long iron chains between the Eyrie and Sky. Supplies can thus brought from Sky to the Eyrie's winch room, as can visitors unable or unwilling to climb the chimney ladder. Oxen are used to turn the winches, and the animals are slaughtered and left for falcons when the Arryns descend to the Gates of the Moon before winter. When the court returns to the Eyrie after winter, unspoiled meat is served in a spring feast.
What a goddamn dumb fricking design.
It's basically impregnable though
They're magic castles used by people who have forgotten the magic part that made them great, homie, we ain't gotta explain shit.
this is the impression i get too.
like you look at these designs of castles in asoiaf and you can tell they were based on old high fantasy artwork.
the series has the reputation as the low fantasy gritty "realistic" world so when the high fantasy shit sneaks its way in you get people saying that doesnt make sense.
Doesn't The Vale even have their own myths going on about their Heroes slaying winged beasts that lived in the Eyrie? Giant eagles or eagle-men or some shit like that? I always assumed the people who originally lived there had some big dragon-like flying things that made it way more feasible to live up there because you'd just fly up on your steed, until they died out or were killed off by the Andals who took over the place. The Andals certainly wouldn't be using Children magic to build castles and so the castle must be from before the Andals arrived, same as all the other old "impossible" castles in Westeros.
How do crops even work in this world, since the seasons are all fricked up?
https://archiveofourown.org/works/54645817
what do they eat?
grain, grain and more grain
Because George was never a gardener, that's just an excuse for his lazy ass. He just thought oooh house of money, house of food, house of ice, house of pain etc and built a world around it, never actually thinking how these things would naturally interact over time in his millennia of history.
the Boltons haven't openly flayed for like a thousand years
Roose doesn't prance around flaying during peacetime. It makes a big comeback due to the war and Ramsay's sadism. all medieval socities had pretty brutal punishments and methods of torture and it would certainly work as a deterrant to enemies and friends. I wouldn't want to be flayed. mutilation has been a popular way of inspiring fear and seethe throughout history
>and other houses would try to destroy them
Southern houses would, the other Northern houses don't because they're all basically as barbaric, when they're not pretending to be nice to their allies in the South. The Starks were also barbarians until very recently. The only reason they're seen as honourable during the timeline of the books is because Ned was raised in The Vale, the homeland of chivalry and honour. He is nothing like his ancestors who could rule the North because they were the baddest of the bunch.
Personally I'm certain that their words aren't philosophical like Ned uses it, or a warning about the Others. It's a threat. The Starks used to style themselves as The Kings of Winter so when they said Winter Is Coming they just meant that they were coming for your ass, in the same way that the Bolton's brag about having sharp knives. The Northern houses just aren't fancy like the Southern houses, because they withstood the Andal invasion better than the South and had a harder time surviving winters, making the more barbaric houses rise to the top and just adopt braggadocios Words. The Karstark's words are "The Sun of Winter", which sounds fancy until you realise it's just the first Karstark telling you that he's the Son of the King of Winter.
>The Starks were also barbarians until very recently. The only reason they're seen as honourable during the timeline of the books is because Ned was raised in The Vale, the homeland of chivalry and honour. He is nothing like his ancestors who could rule the North because they were the baddest of the bunch.
Ned being a different culture wouldn't change te culture of his people. There would be a disconnect and they'd reject him as a king. Anyone who played crusader kings knows this why is history buff GRMM so clueless?
they would reject him as a lord*
Ned wasn't meant to be lord, that's why he could be safely sent off to The Vale, like a second son being sent to the Church, while his older brother was raised like a proper Stark. He only earned the allegiance of his people by fighting in Robert's Rebellion to avenge his father, brother and sister, with him obviously being the better choice to rule in all categories, compared to his younger brother or some Karstark. The North also takes their oaths expressed in front of the Old Gods very seriously, so they definitely wouldn't break their sworn allegiance just because he turned out to be a bit of a fancylad and rebel right after Robert's Rebellion is done, especially not when Ned would also get the backing of the Kingdom since he's basically a oath-brother to the King himself.
Just look at the shit that seemingly noble houses like Manderly gets up to when they're pissed. The North remembers more than their oaths, they remember the Old Ways of blood sacrifices and cursing your enemy by having them eat their own kin.
What I don't get is why it's said that Ned could have taken the throne for himself during the sack of KL simply because he got to the throne room first.
Because the war was done to end Aerys tyranny and in general targaryen irresponsibilty
There was no one who had a definitive claim on the throne they were pushing, so who would be king was kinda up in the air
Bobby was wounded at the time from the Battle of the Bells I think and Ned was defacto leader of the entire rebellion. He held King's Landing and could have easily claimed the throne as his own. Would Bobby even have fought him for it? Maybe but people would be sick of fighting civil wars at this point so Ned would have been at a huge advantage. There is also prescident of the Starks taking Kings Landing by force during the Hour of the Wolf at the end of the Dance and doing a pretty great job of it. Starks have always had a history of honor autism, unfortunately George is actually not the best at worldbuilding so each house has pretty much held the same characteristics as how we know them during the main show
Because people knew Bobby B was an impulsive warrior who liked his drink etc, and not King material. Ned was the strategist and thinker of the two AND he was the one who'd actually been wronged the most. It was his sister that was raped and his father and brother who were slain. Bobby only lost a future wife. If he'd decided to take the throne then Jon Arryn would have fashioned an ancient claim to it just as he did for Bobby and the people, in both The Vale and especially in the North, would have backed it just on the principle that Ned had lost so much to the Mad King that he deserved the throne in recompense.
There would have been much more mythology built up around the Starks that died than there were under Bobby, where the focus was instead put on his wife's abduction and the Mad King sending the message to Jon Arryn about how Bobby was to be killed, and how unjust that was.
Heh
Casterly Rock?
yup
Always thought it looked more like a king's castle than the red keep itself.
that's because it was a king's castle
>Here's your Moat Cailin bro, impenetrable fortress built by the first men
Holy shit the castles in the show were frick ugly.
Wait until you see Winterfell
>What Moat Cailin is supposed to look like
A blurry mess?
That's the swamp gas reflecting off of Venus, anon.
Look how they massacred my boy
I kind of wish Tiktok was a popular thing for the early seasons, just because it could have meant we'd gotten people singing the songs from the books, like when they all started singing sea shanties. It's tragic how few renditions of the songs there are that are both sung by people who can actually sing and have a fitting voice for it AND sound like traditional folk songs usually sound like. All the ones I've found on youtube only fit one of those categories. Good singing voice that fits the song? Music is pop or rock. Music actually sounds like a folk song? Voice is by a nerd who's never sung in front of people. I just want a Songs of Ice And Fire collection made by some Filk veterans.
>It's tragic how few renditions of the songs there are that are both sung by people who can actually sing and have a fitting voice for it AND sound like traditional folk songs usually sound like. All the ones I've found on youtube only fit one of those categories
I rather liked this one
It's not bad but his voice is too high-pitched and airy for my tastes. It fits better for some other songs like The Dornishman's Wife: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrJoAy6-or0 but for a song that features the word bear so heavily I want a deeper voice like Stan Rogers. H
is rendition of The Dornishman's Wife also feels a bit too fast and not enough like a drinking tune? I prefer Bronn singing it or this version(mostly for the chorus being sung by "the crowd" like a proper rakish drinking song should be) but it doesn't feel perfect either: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0akcRtUhkZk