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>I think therefore I am
Frick off buzzkill.
That was literally just a cope Day-cart came up with because he couldn't actually figure out a solid argument to convince himself that he or anything else was "real".
The truly based thing to do is just go full taoist and stop giving a shit about what's real or not. Or don't, and just pretend to care about what's real, it won't matter anyway. Get depressed and detached about it like rustin, or cope like descarte, or stop caring, or do whatever, it is what it is.
>nothing matters
Then why spend any time trying to convince real people that nothing matters? Let me go on believing that things matter. What does it matter to you? Close the thread, it doesn't matter.
Whether my shitposting convinces anyone of anything is incidental. I just like typing out stuff I've only ever thought about before. Nihilism irks me though
>breaks down in tears the second a gun is pointed at him
Swing and a miss
>The truly based thing to do is just go full taoist and stop giving a shit about what's real or not.
This. I did a degree in philosophy and eventually went down the whole pessimism route, reading schopenhauer, Leopardi, Mainländer, Benatar, the whole fricking gang. If it weren't for Laotse and especially Zhuangzi i would have killed myself. Now the only pessimist i still read is good old Cioran because his pessimism is so ridiculously extreme that it becomes a self conscious parody of pessimism.
Did you ever bother to read Aristotle
Most philosophers are fart sniffing morons.
Yes i took a whole module about the nicomachean ethics. At the time i wasn't very interested in ethics though cus i was deep into nihilism. I'm far away from that nowadays though and i actually find myself thinking about eudaimonia and the golden mean a lot more.
Descuck was a fricking moron
>I think that I think
How high must my IQ be before I can fall for this idiocy?
yeah I'm an anon nobody, that doesn't stop me from calling OP a homosexual
Dis homie baldin
Ever since I was repeatably raped as a teenager I instantly identified with Rust and his worldview. I'm sure me being raped has nothing to do with this. I will kill myself at some point.
i bet you liked it gay
well his actor was legitimately raped as a teenager too
You can’t refute a philosophy you fricking idiot
>inb4 behold a man
Diogenes was refuting a definition not a philosophy.
What if you demonstrate it to be inconsistent?
Is it even possible to overcome nihilism? I recently watched Everything Everywhere All At Once but it just made me even more depressed despite its positive and heartwarming message. Made me remember that im just an incel loser with nothing that thinks about kms all day. Normal people should overcome negativity because they have a reason to. Not so for true pieces of shit like me haha
Not without accepting the basic truth of God's existence.
>accepting a claim as large as that without evidence
it's actually pretty cute how simple minded religious people are, i envy them in a way,
a claim as large as that without evidence
Existence exists. This is evidence enough.
existence doesn't prove that there was a creator
An infinite string of physical events is impossible and "ex nihilo" is impossible. What would you suggest?
can you prove those claims or are you just appealing to ignorance?
>can you prove those claims
Of course not. This isn't a courtroom. But past series of infinite events doesn't make sense logically. And "nothing comes from nothing" seems pretty basic to me.
>But past series of infinite events doesn't make sense logically.
saying "well someone just HAD to have created all this!" also doesn't make sense logically
It literally does
Why? You don't look at a tree and think "someone must have made this". You understand that it grew on its own through natural processes.
The idea that everything had to be deliberately created is contradicted by just about everything in the natural world.
>Everything that begins to exist has a cause
Nothing ever "begins to exist". The materials were already there. You just rearranged them and called them something different.
>The universe began to exist
That's an assumption.
And if time had a beginning then it couldn't have been caused. There would be no time prior to the beginning of time in which to cause time.
>Nothing ever "begins to exist".
You've always existed? Or are you saying there is no "you"?
beginning to exist is a conscious decision and therefore also ceasing to exist is
>beginning to exist is a conscious decision
When did you choose to begin to exist? I don't remember ever doing that.
>I don't remember ever doing that.
well it is time to remember then bro
You're conflating two different things.
>rearranging existing matter into a new form
>matter coming into existence out of nothing
We would call both of these "creating", but they're completely different.
You're using the first version, which happens all the time, to make assertions about the second version, which has never been observed.
It's like if I said tree bark comes from dogs. Just because the word "bark" refers to both doesn't make them in any way related.
>rearranging existing matter into a new form
Is that all that happens when a new person comes into being?
Yes
Did you never learn how babby is formed?
>also doesn't make sense logically
Of course it does. You just don't like some of the premises for whatever reason.
>Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
>The universe began to exist.
>Therefore, the universe has a cause.
none of that means it HAS to have been a sole creator. you just like to say that because it's comforting to you (which is why most people follow religion, it's a cope for small brains). we have no proof otherwise and most likely never will...at least in our lifetimes.
>none of that means it HAS to have been a sole creator.
What do you think the other options might be? Simulation theory?
>comforting
Not an argument.
>What do you think the other options might be? Simulation theory?
i have no idea. possibly. we're never going to know anyway. it isn't something that keeps me up at night. we can throw around conjectures for the rest of our lives but they will always just be that: conjectures. i'm OK with not knowing everything.
>rejecting it just to feel big brained seems like a small brained move.
i reject it because there's no evidence for it. that's what intelligent people do. they don't have hissy fits because others won't believe their baseless headcanon. come back to me when you have some evidence (you won't be coming back because you're not going to find any).
>intelligent people do what I do
Well that's convenient.
rejecting it just to feel big brained seems like a small brained move.
>Heh, something can't come from nothing
>except the Canaanite God I worship, of course. Why? Because it's in the definition! What more proof do you need?
I don't think Aristotle had Canaan in mind when he came up with the idea.
Which God do you believe in? Are you a Deist?
Nice try.
Cowardly
Fine. I'm a Christian. Bear in mind that hatred of Christianity is extremely israeli before you go trotting out israelite on a stick at me. The religion I follow has no bearing on anything though.
>Canaanite
textbook antisemitism, frick off
I'm an agnostic but Christ is, to date, the best religion for humans. There's a reason Euro-ethnics flourished in low crime environments with it for a thousand years. Although I guess that's more an argument for race realism since we're really hitting a dark age now due to multiculturalism. Christianity is pretty superior though, regardless that some guy 2000 years ago probably isn't the son of God. I think it's more a story how he exemplified the best things about us, and that we're all sons and daughters of God because there might be a God up there.
Pascals wager
both religion and philosophy (including nihilism) are just human beings labelling things, then drawing conclusions based on how those labels are artificially related to each other.
its all just a lot of thinking about thinking.
Wow thats so deep.
I'm saying it isn't you moron.
i came to the same conclusion
i can realize that pleasure and pain is just chemicals and yet that realization doesn't help me break that control
dude go outside.
why
Beautiful.
Blown out
"Therefore" is redundant in that first sentence.
>Made me remember that im just an incel loser with nothing
shouldnt nihilism help you here? if you are a nihilist then shouldnt you feel indifferent about being an incel loser? after all you feel bad because you feel like you have to have sex and a partner as some rite of passage and that you need someone else to be happy because everyone else does it and being happy alone is seen as a cope
I'd imagine that, no, it evidently doesn't help them. The positivity nihilism exists for people whose needs are met and are therefore satisfied. If "nothing matters" yet you feel great then you're likely full of shit. You can't derive pleasure from nothing. There is something making you feel positive and those things matter to you. You don't have nihilism. Read about what Friedrich Nietzsche's actual life was like and you'll understand why he made this shit up. It'll remind you that you're a dumb butthole.
lol Nietzsche very much believed in the value of the human spirit though, he just accepted that there was no rationale behind it all.
>Can't make himself feel good about life having no meaning
>Calls other people a moron
Ayyyy lmaayyooo, don't forget about me in your suicide note.
>There is something making you feel positive and those things matter to you. You don't have nihilism.
That's not what nihilism is. Nihilism rejects the idea that life and the universe have objective purpose or meaning. Subjective purpose is fine.
For example, I can love my children, but still reject the idea that reproducing is the fundamental purpose of life.
>I recently watched Everything Everywhere All At Once but it just made me even more depressed despite its positive and heartwarming message
I think you are too moronic to get past it sorry, you are stuck in midwit hell
That movie was definitely positive I don’t know what you’re on about.
It wanted you to feel good at the end but didn't really say anything of substance, if you came out of it with a different worldview you are a moron
Exercise and get more sleep.
This works for me for the most part but I will still hit a brick wall of depression a few times a year that nothing but patience can overcome. Stuck in one right now and it sucks, but being happy all of the time is a israeli psyop
This isn’t the end all solution to everything you stupid homosexuals. Just because YOU homos are fat out of shape pigs and that contributes to YOUR sadness doesn’t mean that’s the same contributing factor to another’s plight
>Is it even possible to overcome nihilism?
all you need to do is practice kindness. it is its own reward
Interesting. I'm a very kind person on the outside, purely out of instinct. On the inside I am completely rotten and filled with bitterness.
Is there any way to make the kindness more genuine?
You don't "overcome" nihilism by burying your head in the sand. In fact you don't overcome it at all. You live with it. You find a reason to live despite it. There may be no god, there may be no rhyme or reason for the existence of the universe and life may be objectively meaningless, but boy do I hate israelites all the same.
I had the first real surge of emotion in a while realizing "Wow, this Trump stuff is gonna finally end clownworld in SOME manner," and that was a pleasurable sensation. Society right now is DESIGNED to give people a israeli low level feel of their Western country being raped. I also felt a real spiritual PURPOSE for the first time in a while when I realized as an Agnostic that even if this is all pointless and we randomly came about from stardust for no reason, israelites are basically objective evil and I fulfill the closest thing to Purpose in this universe by hating them.
Read schoppenhauer or Camus, find meaning in life despite it being pointless. Be conscious of your freedom. You don't have to do anything, and if you want to neet it up sitting in your underwear all day long, go do that. When you're dead, you're dead and nothing matter anymore. but also understand that if your current course doesn't fulfill you or makes you happy make changes, for example exercise and finding something constructive to do.
its your choice you got in the hole, it will be your choice to get out of it
of course the basic first step is accept your freedom and responsibility
They invented Christ for guys like you. Just join the church and stop being such a fricking baby.
God loves you Black person.
>invented
Begotten, but you're on the right track
that's generally my understanding of reality
you can accept nothing really matters but it doesn't have to dictate your actions. Like playing a video game. The video game doesn't really matter in the end, but it's fun to play it
EEAAO is a moronic fricking film. The philosophical step it preaches is nonsense (nothing matters therefore everything matters), it doesn't make any fricking sense. All these modern hollywood movies are cynical to the core, and cynicism is no way out of nihilism. If you want to get out of nihilism then start by embracing sincerity.
Embracing sincerity seems nice
The message of EEAAO is literally that life is meaningless but you should still be a nice person and follow society's laws because uhhhhh... YOU JUST SHOULD OK
It’s easy: Buddhism or Egoism
All of these morons espousing the idea that if you're nihilistic, "just take up this one other ideology to make yourself feel better!"
It fundamentally doesn't work that way, once you've seen the abyss, you don't forget it. And despite all your accomplishments, your joys and sorrows, you'll always have that image of the abyss of nothingness peering back at you.
The antidote isn't to refute nihilism, it's to live despite it, or not. Nihilism affords you the choice of making that decision yourself.
Read Ecclesiastes.
dude ecclesiastes doesnt resolve shit, it basically boils down to: well my dude u aint got anything better to live for then to praise god so might aswell.
Yes
Get eight hours of sleep, exercise, go outside and get some fresh air, talk to real people.
The difference between you and people that seem happy are:
A: They are too dumb to see the "meaninglessness"
B: They learned to cope with it
So learn to cope with it. Get over it etc.
the sith will inevitably lead u to the final solution.....
>*hits pipe*
>like, woah
I can't refute nihilism whatsoever. But I also just don't care. I only care about the nice people, feelings and things I have in my life and I'm largely unconcerned with the existential "truth" behind it all. Whenever I have feelings of existential dread I just stop thinking about it after an hour or so.
Being an atheist redditor really killed the rust character.
Existence existed before aliens did. There’s always a background to the foreground, even in simulation theory.
okay if you won't go outside, read this.
it might convince you that vomiting clever-sounding words isn't the same as using your mind to do something useful.
>implying vomiting clever-sounding words wasn't Wittgenstein's MO
dude had some legit insights but christ he never used one word when twenty would do
>simulation theory
This is the most stupid shit. Doesn't answer anything at all or even attempt to. Hey what if the moon was made of cheese? Wow that's so interesting~~
Childhood is idolizing Rust. Adulthood is idolizing Marty.
he's just quoting Peter Wessel Zapffe's Last Messiah almost verbatim, anons would know this if they could read
More likely he's quoting Thomas Ligotti
quoting Ligotti is quoting Zapffe with extra steps
nobody calls Ernest Becker a legit philosopher so it baffles me why Ligotti gets a pass
What I meant is that it's more likely that he read Ligotti than Zapffe. I wish Zapffe's actual books would get translated.
My mistake
A translation of On The Tragic was supposed to have come out earlier this year, don't know what happened there but I can't find shit
Looks like you're correct, I was able to find it. Releasing in April
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1636674887/
Sweet
>list price in UK is £80
Frick
Specialized academic works like this tend to cost an arm and a leg
Ah, so not only are you a pretentious homosexual, but you were wrong on top of it. Like pottery.
frick you
>proceeds to lose every war in history
Fricking based.
>these dudes came up with an alternate idea to the whole left/right on how to run a country that still has weak people kvetching almost 100 years later
dude marx was apart of german idealism same as nitche, both fasicm and comunissm wants to apolish feudalism and capitalism, their goals are the same.
>fasicm and comunissm
Both of them?
Or you are struggling to deal with the deaths of your wife and daughter.
>Irrefutable.
Yeah and what?
Are you 15? It's like saying we're all going to die inevitably, our civilization is going to collapse and humanity go extinct and the heat death of the universe will leave every void of life, cold and dark forever.
Okay, what do you do with that information?
Do you just want to be a fricking buzzkill in every situation you're in because you want to drop talking points that are pretty self evident and unavoidable just to seem deep and intellectual?
>the sky is blue
Yeah so what?
there is something that is on my mind 24/7 and I just can't find a satisfying conclusion to these thoughts: why am I me?
Logically it makes sense that I am me. Who else could I be? The perceptions and thoughts in my head are a result of my biology, my brain and the place I occupy at the moment.
Yet I have the ability to imagine being someone else even if there is no actual possibility for me to swap my "conciousness" with someone else. Even if what I imagine someone feels might, or rather most certainly, is not be what they actually feel.
I can't stop thinking about wanting to be someone else because the time I was born in is quite magical. Instead of sitting in your brick home reading the bible and tending to your farm never leaving your small village you can travel the world and create fictional mini worlds by making movies. But because of my circumstances and lacking the drive, talent, social skills, connections etc. I will never get to experience this and just live a passive life of wageslaving and consuming MAYBE with some amateurish creative outlet that doesn't amount to anything.
When I watch a youtube video of some guy showing off his 100mil mansion that guy actually gets to experience it all. Why couldn't I be him? Why couldn't I have the right circumstances, biology, the right thoughts that would lead me to massive wealth? Of course then I wouldn't be me and I would be him and be used to these things.
Idk man I still can't stop thinking about this even if these thoughts seem pointless. Can anyone smarter and more cultured than me help me put these thoughts to rest so I can focus on productive things instead of daydreaming and envying others? I know this is asking for much out of this place but it would be cool if I got an empathic reply instead of just "go outside and get laid lol".
You're probably trans. Ask your doctor about getting on hormones.
I dont understand what youre asking
I know exactly what you mean. I feel like that guy from Split with the endless personalities. I think you're better off not getting into the movie business. It's just fricking insane pedophiles. Nothing is stopping you from writing a novel or engaging in creative fields. It's not starting an enterprise, just put yourself out there because you want to get those creative juices flowing now that you're young and full of spark. Also, know this. Those people will go into a grave too. No afterlife, nothing. It won't matter what kind of legacy they left behind, they'll be too dead to know it. It's all bullshit, man. Bullshit other monkeys tell us matters to put us in a state of envy so they get off on it. It's a sick, sick experience we're all sharing. Even those wealthy fricks will feel the ravage of time. No one escapes that. Ever. No one escapes the dark thoughts of nonexistence that's soon to come to them at the end of their life. No one to console you or help through it. Life is beautiful once you shed your envy and appreciate your finite amount of time to enjoy and feel this world. That's all I have to say. I hope you get something out of my rambling.
also another thing: I have a crush on an actress and I just don't know how to come to terms with the fact that I was just born in another world
for me she is clearly out of reach and I see her only in pictures meanwhile for someone else hugging her is natural
theoretically I guess I had the ability to become a millionaire or a director but I wasn't born with the right driven, success hungry, solution oriented personality
but maybe if I was born into showbiz I could have gotten a headstart and get to know her
idk I just feel like the awareness of my brain is focusing on the wrong things instead of problem solving
>I dont understand what youre asking
How to come to terms with your lot in life and focus on your life instead of comparing yourself to others I guess.
>How to come to terms with your lot in life and focus on your life instead of comparing yourself to others I guess
Realizing it’s pointless. You and everyone else who ever lived were born onto different tracks and it’s nonsensical to compare yourself to anyone else.
Abandon the concept of blame, and by extension shame. There is no shame in being who you are.
But you should still strive to live the kind of life you want to live, because maybe your track does lead there.
If you think you’ll only be happy being a multimillionaire filmmaker fricking a famous actress, yeah, the odds are against you. But I’m sure you can find another life you would enjoy.
For me, it's not even that. I just wanted to create things and get them out into the world. Not the money or the women, just the idea of partaking in something that spans globally, an interchanging landscape of ideas and feelings. To know people who view the world in different ways, to explore it. I felt that when I was in this art school but you get older and people grow out of it, they realize it was all a front and they never cared to begin with. Getting old fricking sucks. What I'd give to go back to early 00's with these goth girls and my friends smoking and playing Goldeneye on the N64.
>art school
>smoking
I've found the root of your malaise. You're a stinky hippy slowly realizing that the world isn't like that.
I didn't smoke at all personally. I couldn't even stomach beer. Still can't even though I'm in my 30's. I just liked that youthful atmosphere, that feeling that we were special and infinite and that we shared our youth together in this amazing stream of feelings. I miss this one girl so much. She's some roasted housewife now married to some fricking low-grade daytrader.
Your work spanning the globe is a lofty goal. I’d say just making one thing of real value and making even a handful of people feel something is still worthwhile.
My unironic recommendation is to try stimulants, prescription if you can get them. I thought exactly like this until about ten minutes after my first adderall dose
also I had another thought:
could all these thoughts I'm having be the equivalent of when you see an AI create an image that looks real but then you look closer and it makes no logical sense? My brain is able to create some kind of narrative that sounds coherent to me but is not actually logical.
adderall is not approved in my country but I tried vyvanse and it didnt do anything for me
Once you realize that there are axioms in life that cannot be falsified you begin to realize the thinly veiled construction of lies society has placed over us.
in english doc?
This. It's all a fricking spook. What says you can't go to this one female and talk to her? Nothing. You just can't because of these social constructs which are fictional. Money, fame, clout. It's as real as fricking fairy dust.
What kind of axioms are we talking about, the power of will?
If there are two approaches one where a person sees things from a nihilistic point of view and another who sees it as purposeful would that not imply that such evaluations are subjective and if so wouldn’t you find your choice of reality biased. All choices are inevitably biased since A is making a choice over B as such this invalidates your conclusion of life being nothingness since nothing implies no choice. One can make the conclusion that all life will reach its inevitable end but that implies some level of future foresight removing uncertainty and if there is no uncertainty there is no change in action. If men knew things for certain then the need for money, markets, science and other activities would be invalidated as many would have perfect understanding of his future and future knowledge acquired thus bringing about the world you desire but alas we do not live in such a world.
I forgot how reddit S1 was
I just finished it. It's not even the Rust monologues, it's Marty too. He has this weird scene where he tells this guy he'll die and it won't matter to the world. Such a heinous thing to say to someone over what? Him saying the new generation are a bunch of failures. Which is true. It felt like something a Tumblrite would write. So random and needless, S1 has aged like milk with those horrible last episodes. S2 is one that has aged like fricking fine wine which blows my mind. Those last few episodes are astoundingly good and the characters are incredibly engaging.
That was to perpetuate the (false) idea that our society has always been this dysfunctional and that noticing our rapidly increasing decay is just boomerism
To be fair S2 is also just israeli HBO misery porn for a lot of it
I beg to differ, anon.
>gay guy refuses being gay, his depression and misery goes away once he settles down and has a son
>would rather die than come out as a former sodomite
>strong woman is beaten up and then foregoes her strong woman crap and has sex with Ray and is impregnated with his child
>the whole storyline with the israelite trying to frick over Frank
It's actually quite based and extremely redpilled. To the point that I'm sure it was thrown under the bus.
>ITT: Zoomers not understanding Gen X existential angst
Pre-tiktok you had alot more time to sit around bored thinking about this stuff, very telling that nobody has came up with an acceptable response in popular culture (outside from trying to be even more edgy)
>Sir, I just asked if you wanted fries, for the love of Christ
lmfao
think of it this way, are you nothing (nope, you’re here posting) or are you something? midwits like to pretend there is no God to seem smart and agree with their israelite professors and cope that they’re going to Hell with all the gross shit they do, when God is an absolute certainty. The bellcurve chart has never been more applicable to anything else.
>The bellcurve chart has never been more applicable to anything else.
Cope. There's a strong established negative relationship between intelligence and religiosity.
t. midwit pedoisraelite uni professors coping they’re going to Hell
What an intelligent refutation. Thanks for proving my point I guess.
Yeah not an argument.
>OH YOU BELIEVE IN CHRIST?
>WELL HIS NAME IS ACTUALLY JUSHMEK, YOU BELIEVED IN THE WRONG GOD, CHECKMATE THEISTS
you’re a fricking moron
>yahweh worshipper calling others morons
Pottery
>im nothing you’re nothing
leap off a cliff then sissy
Alright so you think we’ve cracked the code and we just live in space by happenstance and everything is just gravity and chemicals and the fantastic isn’t possible, fine. That’s like never leaving your room and denying the outside world exists.
So Newton really was just an outlier? How about Mendel? And every other Christian, israeli, Muslim scholar in history?
I feel like if something like god existed the world wouldnt be so logical. Like its hard to believe in a soul and stuff after experiencing how certain subtances can alter your mood. I remember how despite being anxious and sad all the time after coming back from anesthesia I felt a sense of calm and peace I never did before.
So you truly think there’s nothing out there and we’re meaningless blobs of monkey cells hurdling on a rock into oblivion and everything is nothing? That’s genuinely moronic.
>presuppose the existence of the God you've been raised to believe in since infancy
>your mind cannot even comprehend of any kind of alternative
You're unironically too stupid for this sort of thinking.
what do you mean by nothing? there is space and planets and maybe other life we don't know about
I mean how are you so naive to believe this is all there is. I’m not talking about distant celestial bodies we could piss over to if we had a fast enough ship.
>I mean how are you so naive to believe this is all there is
I actually want to believe in magic but it just feels like cope. Everything that felt magical to me could be explained with scientific logic.
Except for why there is something rather than nothing.
There's no reason to think there was ever "nothing".
If there had ever been "nothing" then we wouldn't now have "something".
"Nothing" is a religious belief. Something you made up so your god could create everything.
There's certainly no scientific case for it. Science tells us that energy can't be created or destroyed, and tells us the history of the universe from the big bang to now. Scientists will tell you that we have no idea what happened prior to the big bang because our math doesn't work in a singularity. Can't divide by the square of distance when all distances drop to 0.
>There's no reason to think there was ever "nothing".
Nothing can't exist. Its not even conceivable because once you attach any properties to it its not nothing. But its still weird that anything exists. Also I really, really, liked Dave Mirra 2 growing up
>But its still weird that anything exists.
Weird implies unusual. This is the opposite of unusual.
>This is the opposite of unusual.
We have a sample size of one. No way to know.
100% of available data suggests there has never been "nothing".
I'm not saying it's impossible. Maybe we just haven't found the unicorns yet.
I just want people to stop pretending like "nothing" is the natural state of the universe. Demanding explanations for anything else and believing in magic when explanations aren't forthcoming.
>existence is the natural state of existence
You are nothing but chemical interactions in your brain and there is no intrinsic meaning to the universe.
Now what will you do about it? Shit and cum, or seize destiny by the balls?
okay another armchair philosophy thing I think about a lot and need help with:
Is life actually a gift?
The way I see it there is no soul floating in nothingness waiting to be given a body to get the opportunity to experience happiness. What we call happiness is pleasure which is tied to biological mechanism that we evolved because they keep us going and reproducing. By definition it's something we desire and pursue but actually feeling it is not some kind of transcendentally good experience in itself.
Idk where I am even going with this. I just feel like a self-aware computer program. Like a cleaning robot who gets pleasure from cleaning up dust but realizes I was just designed this way and yet I keep doing it because I like the pleasure. I feel like I lack the IQ or education to finish this thought.
Death is really the ultimate question. It scares me there might be nothing after this. It's okay to be curious about psychedelics and NDEs because to rule them out when they're so transformative is anti-science. While the logic can't be proven (currently?) to connect to our lives, this is pure logos what I'm about to spit. When we dream, we think it's us running around a deserted warehouse with Ratchet and Clank and don't realize we are dreaming, yet we wake up and we're one of the same. What we think is real life could actually be such a mundane dream for whatever is after this. Not to mention if we're here because we're weird 4D beings, being a shitflinging monkey is the only way to experience struggle. So to have creatures make real decisions, wouldn't you curse them to not know something's waiting for them at the end? To not taint the victory of every metaphysically Good and Loving deed was done in 100% Honesty and Truth? Not knowing an afterlife awaited them?
haven't you died many times before?
I discovered my old forum account from 15 years ago and the posts I made were so fricking cringe I could not believe that was me. That person is basically a stranger to me now.
I am personally more scared of reincarnating into some dumbass who doesn't have the self-awareness and reason I do.
2014 was fricking cringe
I mean he's on to something there. I personally think people have less agency than they would admit.
People hear this first year of college wisdom and think it's fricking genius.
Well in America they literally don't teach you to think anymore so of course Americans think it's genius.
Imagine the state promising to educate your child and not once do they even mention philosophical thought. It's a deliberate attempt to make people very stupid and useful workers. Educating people to think makes them a potential enemy of the state.
Teaching them to get in line, follow a roll call, obey superiors, fill out endless forms, expect and deal with arbitrary punishments... this is what public school does.
This doesn't happen in Europe. Here the State teaches us how to really think.
You cannot teach stupid people to think. It's good that the education system teaches people to be drones, because that's the only thing normal and stupid people are good for.
Eat shit statist frick. Even a dumbass can benefit from philosophy.
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this is thrilling conversation n all but
does this matter to absolutely anything or anyone
or is it just edgy pseuds jerking each other off
>Why not just grub around in the dirt like me?
>thinking is le..bad
better jerk off to porn and scroll Cinemaphile again!
What I don't get is why his partner got so butthurt about this.
Instead of going "woah that's deep"
Or "lmao midwit trying to be deep"
Or even "frick off moron"
He gets super upset.
That's because there's an aspect to it that Marty empathizes with, to a fundamental level.
He sees how these innocent children get kidnapped and sexually assaulted by seemingly invisible people; the same people who are intrenched in the very public offices he works at. He sees how his daughter falls prey to the rampant sexualisation in the town he lives in, and the show alludes to that via the doll scene, which ties back to the psychosphere comment made by Rust, which is just another word for the 'Collective Unconscious' developed by Jung. This collectivity of thoughts has been corrupted so much that even children aren't safe from sexual deviants, and this frightens Marty.
Rust, on the other hand, embraces the futility of it all.
Didn't rust say that to him before the doll scene and them knowing it was being done by higher ups? I mean chronologically not show wise
Yeah I'm pretty sure this is in the beginning of episode one but someone can correct me if I'm wrong. Marty getting mad looks like it was caused by visiting the bizarre crime scene and his normally silent partner going on a nihilistic rant.
is there anything more gay than nihilism?
your mom
Metaphysics are just a silly timesink. Its fun as a form of smalltalk at dinners, when no sub 120 iq people are there. But anybody over 20 that thinks he can find the hidden truth of the universe should get his shit together.
The rise of technology has shown and made it very clear that the common man is maybe only a small step above other animals. And in my personal opinion, we are still not any different then animals. Only the law and other mechanisms of social-order enforcing structures prevent that we rape and cannibalize each other giving the opportunity. And the working of todays economics is only a form of bloodless cannibalism / parasitism.
Any and all philosophy can be a silly timesink. More so than that, you can be cannibalized alive by the thoughts you entertain continually and if you remain inside your head for too long.
I liked your comment about economics being a sort of displaced violence. Sounds like something Mark Fisher would say, bless his soul.
I would argue that philosophy that analyzes human behavior and reasoning has at least a practical use to maintain the current status quo of civilasation and can prevent that people derail too much mentally. I know this is the job of psychology, but that field is full of quacks and in total control of pharma.
how the frick can I escape this reality without killing myself, bros?
recognize that desire and attachment is the root of all suffering and attain enlightenment
sobriety and daily exercise
Funny how none of these Rust threads ever bring up the fact that he basically rejected all of his sentimental nihilistic bullshit in the last episode