Is anyone else disappointed with the animation indie scene? I thought it would end up producing really interesting, truly creator-driven ideas. Stuff you couldn't do on TV because an exec would say, "That's too boring" or "There's no audience for that".
Instead, it feels like showrunners are purposely mimicking TV writing and trying to insert as many sexymen and waifu characters to get people to watch. All the "hit web series" are just following a formula and all aiming for the same audience. It's no different than TV-- except the jokes and voice acting are worse.
>it feels like showrunners are purposely mimicking TV writing
That’s exactly what happening. It’s because they want the show to get picked up by a studio.
Did NOBODY learn from Making Fiends that having 100% control of your own property is always better?
animators are expensive and if you cant get them to work for you for free by using exposure or correctthink, you're going to need an investor with capital
What about Ed Edd N Eddy?
Except for Glitch, they're already a studio. Just an independent one.
nice thumbnail. also waifubaiting is pretty much what sells your characters nowadays
Tpoh webcomic would make a great cartoon and be a change of pace from this
I don't think the new indie cartoons are bad, but they feel kinda soulless
It's like they were built from the start to appeal to social media and make a lot of money
Yeah, this is the general vibe I get, too. Some of these pilots feel like they're trying to ape stuff like Steven Universe or The Owl House, but those shows were severely neutered by execs and by trying to be for an 8 - 12 demographic. I want to see the version of those shows where the showrunner got complete freedom. So why are people trying to copy the neutered version? Even Rebecca Sugar and Dana Terrace would make radical changes to their own cartoons if they got a second chance with no strings attached.
tbh Owl House was probably better neutered in some ways, we didn't get snarky prostitute stoner Luz
People watch those shows in their formative years and it makes an impression. It doesn’t matter that Sugar or Terrace had different ideas originally, kids fell in love with what they saw and some were inspired to become animators because of it.
You’ve got that backwards. The indie productions that can raise enough money to actually be produced appeal to social media. It’s not that they’re all made to do that, but the ones that don’t won’t go viral and as a result, won’t hit their fund raising goals. They all seem like they appeal to social media because the ones you hear about did.
The ones that you hear about were able to hit their fundraising goals largely because they went viral on social media. It’s not that all productions are specifically being conceived to appeal to that demographic, but the ones that do end up getting rewarded by the algorithm and are thus able to raise more money. You never hear about the other ones because they don’t get shared online and don’t meet their funding goals.
Get with Ongezellig.
nobody is buying your bullshit soiteen
It's the original recipe, shartoids only have the modified version.
a perfect example of a great show that has a tough future ahead because of studios' preferences
Als je dit niet kan lezen, blijf dan met je vuile poten van ongezellig af.
dus eens normaal man
not even a little. I love this shit. Get rekt nerd
t. femoid
Poasting in a medium effort thread.
most web animations are the same:
tumblr quirky but
>the characters say frick
>the characters are horny
>creepypasta
or
>the characters are le wholesome pure cinamonrolls
Well it's still amazing compared to most "actual" cartoons.
I can name at least five amazing cartoons that I would go back and re-watch again. Meanwhile, the only web cartoons that leave me wanting more are Becky Prim (which was just an animatic) and Sublo & Tangy. Even polished things like Monkey Wrench, Digital Circus or Long Gone Gulch have dreadfully boring writing where half the jokes don't stick their landing. They don't leave me wanting more so much as thinking, "Wow, this should be way better but it's not".
>anon say most
>w-well I can name 5 good shows out of 50 thousand ones!
Literally any mainstream indie web series is just far better than the average cartoon on tv now.
You really calling helluva boss better than Johnny Test (or should I say, Johnny PEAK)?
Would you expect people to invest time and money in the incredibly laborious art of animation out of passion?
Then again, the vibe from Murder Drones and HH feels like these juvenile things are what appeals to the creators and fits their vision
>Would you expect people to invest time and money in the incredibly laborious art of animation out of passion?
That would be ideal, yes
t. exploitable moron
The only way to amass enough donations is appealing to teens and autists. Look at the most sophisticated indie project A Fox In Space getting nothing in comparison. And lets not kid ourselves that's only because it panders to the star fox fandom.
High tier cartoons can only be produced if actually gifted people are granted no strings money from some institution or richgay sugar daddy. Crowdfunding will never do anything for projects aiming to be above room temperature IQ.
The same goes for network animation these days. When money is king, you don’t necessarily make what is the best, you make what will appeal to the largest most generic chunk of the population.
Sucks that multibillionaires exist and not one of them is an eccentric animation fan. Imagine what could happen if one of them set up a grant to fully fund passion projects with a keen interest in making cool things with no concern for financial return. Instead we get clocks built into mountains that will last an eternity or joy rides on dick shaped rockets.
>Is anyone else disappointed with the animation indie scene?
No, some are stinkers, some aren't and that's fine.
Back then if you were making a webseries you did it in your free time after you finished your homework after school and there was never a guarantee you'd finish it, now you can potentially make that webseries a livable job and because it's being backed by money and no pesky executives are involved you're more inclined to finish your project
Stop being a doomer
I'm having fun with Murder Drones, it's a pretty good show. I was only introduced to it this weekend by all the shit on this board recently about Glitch, and I like dark sci-fi. Pretty captivated by the story and I like a lot of the characters. I wasn't expecting to enjoy the animation as much as I do, considering 3D animation never tended to really appeal to me - but I think it really works in this case and ends up looking really good. The music is also genuinely excellent. I'm not in-deep regarding indie animations, so I can't say much about the rest of the indie shows out there but that's just my experience with this one. I know a lot of anons here like to say how much they think these modern shows are soulless or pandering for money, but this one feels like it has genuine effort and love behind it. That's my take anyway.
No, because it's a mixed bag. Some shows are very good, some shows are dogshit. Just like it's always been, just like it will always be. You're just being a doomposting homosexual and lumping all the current indie shows together even though quite a few have genuine merit, effort and care behind them. If they're popular web-series, then they clearly do have a fricking audience because people are watching and supporting them, aren't they? Just because you personally don't like it doesn't mean other people can't enjoy it for their own reasons.
There's no magical Force keeping things at the same level of quality, things can just fall apart like the Roman empire. You're a communist.
>even though quite a few have genuine merit, effort and care behind them.
>Merit
I don't think furries adapting Lackadaisy is a merit-based enterprise.
>Effort and care
Again, you're a communist, I don't care how much labor they put in.
>If they're popular web-series, then they clearly do have a fricking audience because people are watching and supporting them, aren't they? Just because you personally don't like it doesn't mean other people can't enjoy it for their own reasons.
"Waaah you're being mean to people" grooming meant for teenagers. Work on your drawing skill or leave the animation field
>communist
Meds now, moron.
What did you say? 200 more messages to the animation industry and to send more emails right now to get you your meds? Ok.
Look at that nice response I gave you and you reply with three words because you're afraid of a Christian taking you to task for your verbal garbage. Now it's time to be punished
Keep doing it. I’ll know I’ve officially made it in the industry when I get a random email from Guy. Someday…
>guy
this fricking guy topkek everyone point and laugh
If labor doesn't matter, then there's nothing wrong with calarts and nothing that makes John K better in comparison.
Just ignore guy, he's our favourite schizophrenic patient.
He used to be somewhat tolerable a couple of years back but recently he has gone full moron.
I love him still, every post is gold.
I can only read about His Teenage Self getting raped by homestuck and the animation industry so many times before it gets old
That was preceded by years of industry people speaking to me as if I was still a teenager, now they speak to me as if I am 23 years old.
All I'm hearing is a Zoomer desperate to make some kind of comeback out of his lame verbal memes. Go read some books of philosophy, classic literature, watch the Terminator films, learn how to construct a rational response, and then I'll take what you have to say seriously
You learn to draw something other than absolute shitscribbles, write something other than incoherent schizo rants and you may gain a tiny piece of ground to stand on.
That's because indie animation is in its golden age right now, and guy can't handle it because nobody gives a shit about him and nobody ever will
I intentionally supported indie animation you dipshit, they are using my inspiration and now they will get no further support from me because of things like Helluva Boss people sexually assaulting me and it's bringing chaos into their social environment. You're going to be waking up soon
guy the entire narrative you've built up for yourself is one massive cope to deal with being a jealous NGMI gay. Do you understand?
You don't understand anon, guy was RAPED and GAPED.
Can you show us on the doll where the helluva boss people touched you anon?
>Don't have job
>Go to Cinemaphile
>Spend what little money you have In anime paraphilia
>Complain that shows are made for furries and normies with disposable income and not for you
you're a dropout in the mouse utopia demanding media be tailored to you and not the beautiful, it's not for you and nothing ever will be
None of the popular indie cartoons are even bad. Helluva boss is entertaining. The Amazing Digital Circus is, even though slightly cliche, very fun. Murder drones, even though it's incredibly cliche, is also a lot of fun. Etc, etc, none of these are even outright bad
none of these shows are aiming to be the next big thing. Helluva boss is clearly playing second fiddle to Hazbin (even if it's outgrown the later by now). Murder Drones and Amazing Digital Circus don't even take themselves that seriously. Not every thing has to be a masterpiece
It's cute you think the anons that make these threads to pronounce the fall of animation because they can't relax and enjoy new shows because of generational bullshit are are capable of not doomposting, anon. But yeah, I generally agree, even if certain shows in that lost are definitely not as good as others.
>Helluva boss is entertaining
Maybe for you. I can't stand most of the characters in that shitty show and I had a mediocre time while watching it.
>Murder drones, even though it's incredibly cliche
Huh? I wouldn't call MD cliche. Other than the characters, the scenario are pretty interesting for an animated series.
>Murder drones, even though it's incredibly cliche
I don't really agree that it's cliche either, it's more like an in-universe attribute of the characters themselves and it's really only played for jokes - as the worker drones specifically model their human-free society on human stereotypes and character cliches, duebto the they are robots and have no other reference point for what human behaviour is like. So you end up with a bunch of robots that want to be individuals, so they pick a stereotype or cliche to stick to and roll with that. I found it pretty funny, at least, considering its literally robots doing a human LARP because they don't really know how else to live without the influence of their creators. So you end up with highschool teen b***hy-bimbo bots that bully the resident emo-nerd bot, and shit like that. Doesn't mean the entire show is cliche, it's really only a quirk of those specific characters. I found the whole show itself to be quite unique with its premise, the gradual escalation into the lovecraftian story / cosmic horror angle really plays well into the darker tones of the series too.
Your MD gays are going to be so disappointed in the future when it turns out the creator didn't put nearly as much thought into things as the fans did and some things thst you thought were "ironic" moronation were just actual moronation. I don't know, your post just screams of a desperate headcanon pretending that it's brilliant joke when it's probably meant to be taken at complete face value.
>Your MD gays are going to be so disappointed in the future when it turns out the creator didn't put nearly as much thought into things as the fans did and some things thst you thought were "ironic" moronation were just actual moronation. I don't know, your post just screams of a desperate headcanon pretending that it's brilliant joke when it's probably meant to be taken at complete face value.
That's every indie animation fandom in a nutshell. Arguably every fandom in general, full stop.
Most people are boring and have shit ideas, shocking.
Read some fanfic to see how intelligent the average wannabe animator is
>All the "hit web series" are just following a formula and all aiming for the same audience. It's no different than TV-- except the jokes and voice acting are worse.
That's the reality of capitalism haha
Only the most cookie-cutter generic ideas get to shine because they have (some) guaranteed appeal and a large target audience
Maybe go orchestrate a socialist revolution and thriw away your life trying to change things if you don't like it hahaha
RWBY of all things, despite all of its numerous frickups, is still fundamentally more interesting and ambitious at its core than any of these mew twitter zoomer webshows.
Too bad that ambition is buried under piles and piles and piles and piles and piles and piles of horseshit
No it isn't, your shitty show is dead and buried and nobody here talks about it because it's shit. Frick off. Everything mentioned here in this thread is better than RWBY.
I don't know man, at least at its core RWBY is not about vomit-colored generic tumblr sexymen/women being wacky and quirky. It may be really amateurish at trying to tell an ambitious story, but I'd be more interested in things that try to be like RWBY than things that try to be like HH.
Felt like I was watching cut scenes to a game I hadn't player tbh.
>ambitious
yes
>interesting
no, rwby is pseudo-anime garbage and was never interesting.
The only right thing you said is Ambitious
Because the truth is that none of you bother to watch the ones that DO try something different. When's the last time you went put of your way to check out what was going on on newgrounds? When's the last time you just put in the time to unfrick your search algorithm and went searching for interesting looking animation on YouTube? When's the last time you clicked on something with almost no views that looked like it could be interesting?
These projects don't have a marketing budget. You have to actively look for them. If you're complaining about the indie animation scene then go actually find the good shit, because it does exist and all you're doing is burying it with whining.
Crucify him
> If you're complaining about the indie animation scene then go actually find the good shit, because it does exist and all you're doing is burying it with whining.
Welcome to Cinemaphile, where morons watch mainstream shit and revel in how they’re not ‘normies’ who also watch mainstream shit. Where they proclaim to love animation despite hating everything and having a shockingly ignorant understanding of how the process/pipeline/industry works.
When I first came here like 8 years ago, I thought I was going to be turned on to some really dank underground shit. Womp womp
You're not looking hard enough. Of course the stuff that gets popular is like the popular medium.
Try Hunter The Parenting
Be the change you want to see. There’s nothing stopping you from trying to do this the way you think it should be done.
>trying to insert as many sexymen and waifu characters
Well I mean, in fairness the appeal of being able to have a character that would NEVER air on tv, no matter what era or channel save maybe HBO, is appealing
Tumblr refugees suck and won't let go of their principles their superiors taught them at their shitcords and blogs
Rooster Teeth made their own animation studio and got pretty fricking big and had people paying them for the chance to watch whatever they made and all they could come up with is generic slop because they didn't actually want *BETTER* shows. They wanted shows that pandered to the exact kind of shit that sets off their underdeveloped monkey brains.
Tbh, indie animation is both a blessing and a curse right now. It’s a blessing because it allows individuals with big aspirations and imagination to create their vision and have it put on the internet for all to see, with no worrying about higher-ups changing certain things that they see fit best. The curse is that these people don’t take advantage of what they can do, and just make stuff that feels “edgy” and “relatable” in all the wrong ways. Hellava Boss is an example. The show’s scripts are more-often-than-not very poorly executed and very immature and such. The relationships between many of the characters are horribly made and feels like a worse version of modern Family Guy where everyone just hates each other’s guts. It feels like these people writing the scripts are very inexperienced and haven’t really taken many courses to help strengthen their skills.
Glitch is more forgiving, but the animation itself doesn’t look right in half of their shows, and seem to just pander to the chronically online people that don’t probably have many friends or family members irl. The writing is fairly better than what Vivziepop’s writers have failed to accomplish, but it still feels… off, compared to other shows on TV.
All in all, there is still all long time until indie animation becomes as good as shows like Adventure Time, Gravity Falls, and ESPECIALLY Bojack Horseman. The one indie project I’m waiting on is TerminalMontage’s “The Fruitless Quests of Nabius.” Other than that, everything is eh, and I definitely think the writing of every show is their worst feature, and that is something that has definitely been felt the past decade. But hey, that’s just me.
Agreed. Very very agreed. When a show like Helluva Boss is dominating the indie animation scene, you know that improvement is needed.