This.
Like everything else in this show past S1 the writing sucks ass. There’s only so many times you can do >LE HOMELANDER IS LE UNHINGED AND HE MIGHT KILL ANYONE EXCEPT FOR CONVENIENTLY ANY OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS BUT NO ONE WILL DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT
before it gets old.
His performance is carrying the show. He's not even an amazing actor but it's the perfect marriage of material and specific vibe / talent. He's never going to top this.
then he'd have nowhere to go or anything to do. what i don't understand is why he doesn't just pull a ghengis khan and just take over the planet.
They explain in the last episode they literally employed a shit ton of the worlds best psychiatrists to raise him in a way that would make him have a consistent need for love and recognition so that they could always control him in some way
He's conditioned to seek approval from authority figures, that doesn't work if he's the ultimate authority figure, he doesn't actually care about the people who already adore him unconditionally.
You don't think people actually worship kim jung un right? All those videos of people crying or cheering whenever he is around you can clearly tell they are forcing it. Best Koreans live in total fear of the state and hate the fat bastard for letting them starve while he has a plump little daughter.
She might have done irreparable damage by telling him that. Now he's aware he's been manufactured to want love he's probably going to stop giving a shit and just go full bad guy, and it'll be her fault.
I guess it depends how good the conditioning is. You can tell somebody you fricked with them and purposely made them scared of spiders, but just telling them isn't enough to cure that fear
>and it'll be her fault
Him being here at all (and killing people) means that the conditioning had already failed, and she knew this. She said it all as a last 'frick you' to him, that they hurt and scarred him in the only way they knew was possible.
He's at the turning point, he's moved on from wanting to disappoint the research staff like you say, but he's still in a place where he'll gladly accept adoration and attention from people who genuinely show it. For now.
I grudgingly give some credit to the normally shit writing for the way they explained things in that speech - how he lasered his way out of his mother and floated into the air with his umbilical cord still attached, that was his arrival into the world. Vought then spent years trying to figure out if there was any way they could physically hurt him, let alone kill him, and everything failed. How fricking terrifying must that be for humans as a species, it's a ticking time bomb that could take out the planet at any moment (especially as a petulant toddler), and there's no way to destroy it. They came up with the best solution possible, to control it through manipulation, though I'd still like to know if Homelander could survive a nuke to the face, or prolonged exposure to vacuum.
He couldn't. Both in the comic and show it's known that an all out war between the military and supes would end in super annihilation, but at a great cost. Homelander would kill a lot of motherfrickers but he'd be taken down eventually. Soldier Boy is as strong if not stronger and they showed his team getting fricked up in military outings.
>Do you think he will not do it for some huge financial benefit?
Tony Soprano killed one of his own lieutenants, and made man and top earner just because he burned down a stables with a racehorse inside to collect the insurance payout.
>He's too cartoonishly evil
it's hilarious that you think that because homelander in the comics is even more cartoonish
in the show homelander is pretty much a human character compared
But the plane scene in the comics is way more humanizing for Homelander than in the show. The Seven are massively ill-prepared for a real threat they have to stop and it's just a domino effect of shit going wrong. Even when he ditches the plane and Mister Marathon tells him he has to find a way to stop the plane from hitting NYC or it'll be even worse for the heroes reputation, he tries to divebomb in the plane to force it to go downwards into the Brooklyn bridge instead and gets one of his supe buddies killed in the process.
The show just has him laser the control panel, go "whoopsie" and try to slink away. The comic version really hammers up how wildly incompetent these superfreaks are.
>The comic version really hammers up how wildly incompetent these superfreaks are.
Which is the whole point of the comics. Supes are just morons, psychos and degenerates who, by a stroke of luck, have powers.
Comic Homelander is just a normal selfish dude who begins to think he's crazy because Black Noir is designed to MK Ultra his ass. Most of the heinous shit HL does isn't actually him.
In the comic there's a reason why Homelander/the Seven don't just waste The Boys at the earliest opportunity, but the show doesn't even bother trying to explain it, it's stupid.
What is that reason? I stopped reading when Hughie went back to Scotland in some 5 chapter spin off. Should probably continue since it was already over half the series
The Boys have a mountain of shocking pictures and info about the supes they're hanging on to as a dead-man switch that will get released to the media if they're killed. It would be the end of Vaught and the Seven if it saw the light of day, so they can't make risk just taking them out.
Because they have years worth of pictures, audios, etc on shit about supes, most notably: >Homelander going on psychopatic murder-rape spree >Supes causing 9/11
what is his deal now?nobody is telling him what to do,to put on a good face,he murders people outright and they cheer him so why is he having a meltdown like every scene
That makes sense given the premise from season one, that he's a tool of a machine that he can barely perceive, the Vought corporation. He's lashing out in different directions but no matter what he does the cause of his problems is still there. People aren't telling him what to do to his face, but he's limited because of how the corporate structure works. That character in that premise only has two options, and that's to retire and disappear, or to go full Plutonian.
The tragic element would be that the attempts by the Boys to take him down would convince him to go full Plutonian.
Maybe, but he could still go most of the way there if he tried.
One of the things they haven't really gotten far enough into yet is how Vought is trying to keep him from going nuts, and how the Boys are actually really fricking with these plans. They prefer to show scenes where he almost freaks out entirely, and have the audience think this is a sensible way to deal with him.
No because they stretched the story out too far and now he's impotent. Every time Homelander shares a scene with the Boys and doesn't kill one of them, he loses his effectiveness as a villain.
what exactly would you want him to do that isn't for political or personal gain? no one in real life does things for no reason either. you don't donate canned goods to homeless people or plant trees for no reason, you do it to huff your own farts
>what exactly would you want him to do that isn't for political or personal gain? no one in real life does things for no reason either. you don't donate canned goods to homeless people or plant trees for no reason, you do it to huff your own farts
That's because in real life people actually have to make sacrifices or put themselves at risk to do good things. Homelander is a god among men and has the power to change the world for better and yet all he cares about himself.
Tony Soprano kills Ralph Cifaretto, a made man, because he killed his race horse and because he beat to death a stripper.
>Tony Soprano kills Ralph Cifaretto, a made man, because he killed his race horse and because he beat to death a stripper. >isn't for political or personal gain?
How is that not personal gain??
That's not true. Altruism exists, you ass spelunker. Just because you wouldn't doesn't mean no one would. homosexual
Yeah obviously you don't because you're spewing hot air for your own benefit.
>How is that not personal gain??
Because Ralph Cifaretto was a made man and a top earner. Not only did Tony risk his own personal safety when he tried to kill Ralph but he also destroyed his reputation and standing with New York guys. He did it all because Ralph killed a fricking horse and a stripper.
All you're doing is giving reasons on why it could have backfired on Tony (politically and personally) when he obviously did it for personal reasons. Should John Wick just have done nothing because the thugs killed his dog? That was a personal reason for him to go nuclear and it hurt him politically, but he didn't care.
1 week ago
Anonymous
And you know this how? I might know a lot, I'm just not willing to waste my time on a knuckle dragging, mouth breathing b***h like you
1 week ago
Anonymous
Yup, just continuing to stroke your own ego without even letting it be challenged. Deep down you know you wouldn't be able to come up with ONE example of someone doing something without personal gain and it's because you're showing why right now. You only responded to me to make yourself feel better and smarter, just like anything you do that you think really isn't for personal gain is just for you to make yourself feel better too.
1 week ago
Anonymous
You couldn't be more wrong. I mean, you could try but I doubt it. People do altruistic acts all the time and if you can't see that, you're fricking blind. I have absolutely nothing to prove to you when you could just use your fricking eyes
1 week ago
Anonymous
Yeah I can see someone give a homeless person food or change or whatever, but I cannot physically see them doing it to make themselves feel better about themselves. No shit? You are moronic and you have nothing to prove because you cannot prove anything.
>All you're doing is giving reasons on why it could have backfired on Tony (politically and personally) when he obviously did it for personal reasons.
Personal and self-interest aren't the same thing, moron. Tony knew that there would be consequences for killing his top earner and and a made man. He still did a relatively good thing at personal cost.
When as Homelander done such a thing, even by accident? He can't risk anything because he is invulnerable , at least until they make a deus ex machina that can defeat him.
>Should John Wick just have done nothing because the thugs killed his dog?
Ofcourse not anon, the obvious answer when someone kills your dog is to kill 500 people in retaliation.
>Personal and self-interest aren't the same thing, moron
How are they not? >personal: of or concerning one's private life, relationships, and emotions rather than matters connected with one's public or professional career >self-interest: one's personal interest or advantage, especially when pursued without regard for others.
1 week ago
Anonymous
: of or concerning one's private life, relationships, and emotions rather than matters connected with one's public or professional career >>self-interest: one's personal interest or advantage, especially when pursued without regard for others
I can see how these two things are literally the same thing in from your cringe ,simple-minded Hobbesian perspective.
>Personal: I want to kill this person because I believe they deserve it >Self-interest: Is it in my advantage to kill this person?
Your conclusion: These two things are the same.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Yeah and the advantage can be something as small as: "he's bad for business" or "it emotionally damaged me because of my horse and it will help me recover / feel better".
moron.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>Yeah and the advantage can be something as small as: "he's bad for business" or "it emotionally damaged me because of my horse and it will help me recover / feel better".
How is Tony killing his Top Earner bad for business you fricking moron. Ralph was his top earner and his connection to New York. It was literally bad for business to kill him. Go away now, troll.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>How is Tony killing his Top Earner bad for business >not
1 week ago
Anonymous
"Bad for business" can mean more than just making money you absolute fricking dirt chewing turbotard. Just because he made a bunch of money doesn't mean he couldn't be a huge liability because of being a loose cannon. Also way to completely ignore the horse part. Are you legitimately trying to say Tony had him killed for no reason at all and that what makes a good villain?
1 week ago
Anonymous
>"Bad for business" can mean more than just making money you absolute fricking dirt chewing turbotard. Just because he made a bunch of money doesn't mean he couldn't be a huge liability because of being a loose cannon. Also way to completely ignore the horse part. Are you legitimately trying to say Tony had him killed for no reason at all and that what makes a good villain?
Tony killed him because he killed the horse and the stripper. Ralph was good for business. He was the top earner and in a bridge between New York. It wasn't in is self interest to kill Ralph and he actually suffered consequences because of it. You are just too dumb to make the distinction between self-interest and personal even though you posted the definitions of each word which explained two different concepts yet thought it was evidence that they both the same thing.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Suffering consequences from doing something doesn't mean you still didn't do it for yourself. As you said, Tony killed him because he killed the horse and the stripper. Obviously was emotional especially over the horse and to make himself feel better over his damaged emotions he made himself feel better by killing Raphie. The fact that there were consequences from that mean nothing. The short term advantage didn't outweigh the long term consequences doesn't mean an advantage wasn't there at all you moron.
Are you seriously saying Homelander has had no consequences from his actions?
1 week ago
Anonymous
>Suffering consequences from doing something doesn't mean you still didn't do it for yourself
How the frick do you kill a made man in the mafia and not expect consequences? The whole reason why the scene was dramatic was because Ralph was so well-connected and Tony made a huge mistake by killing him even if the reasons he did it were motivated by vengeance and justice. He does things like this all throughout the series which is why the audience loves him so much. Hes a bad person but sometimes he does good things at his own personal expense.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Why do you think he did not expect consequences? >personal: of or concerning one's private life, relationships, and emotions rather than matters connected with one's public or professional career
Oh wow so Tony did things that he wanted to do for himself (and that hurt him publicly/professionally) which sounds a ton like PERSONAL GAIN.
what exactly would you want him to do that isn't for political or personal gain? no one in real life does things for no reason either. you don't donate canned goods to homeless people or plant trees for no reason, you do it to huff your own farts
1 week ago
Anonymous
>Oh wow so Tony did things that he wanted to do for himself (and that hurt him publicly/professionally) which sounds a ton like PERSONAL GAIN.
Okay well I'm done with you. You're a moron who is unwilling to accept that Personal and self-interest are two different concepts.
"But Tony Soprano, the head of the Soprano family and a mob boss, didn't know that if he killed a well-connected made man that there would be consequences."
"There for I brilliantly conclude that it was in his self-interest in that moment to kill the well-connected made man because it would make him feel good. Check mate, I've won the debate."
1 week ago
Anonymous
>unwilling to accept that Personal and self-interest are two different concepts.
Because they are not different concepts, your initial post said that Homelander only does things for political or PERSONAL gain and then you changed your tune to try and argue what you actually meant to say was that Homelander does things for self-interest because you're hyperfocused on the "advantage" part completely missing the first part stating "one's personal interest or" >PERSONAL >OR
Clearly you completely ignored those two things and since you want to focus on the word "advantage" I humored you and yet you're still too moronic to realize there can be advantages even with consequences. You really think Tony had no advantage over Ralphie? He was alive and Ralphie was dead, that is an advantage. Tony needed to kill Ralphie because of his own emotions of not wanting to be seen as the same kind of monster as him that killed innocents, giving him a PERSONAL advantage.
1 week ago
Anonymous
I don't care to prove anything to anyone on this board. There's a difference between can't and won't, you feckless moron
1 week ago
Anonymous
Excuses excuses excuses, you won't because you can't.
1 week ago
Anonymous
I absolutely can and don't care if you believe it or not. It makes no difference to me
1 week ago
Anonymous
Sure it doesn't, that's why you're totally still responding.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Boredom prompts me, not your inane argument
1 week ago
Anonymous
You can find better ways to huff your own farts.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Please tell me since you're the expert on huffing one's farts. Moron
1 week ago
Anonymous
Go give a homeless man food and pretend everyone around you watching just thinks your doing it for selfless reasons.
1 week ago
Anonymous
I wouldn't care if anyone is watching or not. I've done plenty of stuff to help ppl with no expectations whatsoever other than the action itself. Explain that in your black and white morality if you can. I do not think I'm in no way a good person, I've done lots of bad things. I did it because it was needed and I was the one there that could provide whatever little relief that was had. No more, no less
1 week ago
Anonymous
Lmao annndddd there it is, like clockwork.
1 week ago
Anonymous
There what is, proof that you're an idiot? We didn't need proof. You've proven it plenty
1 week ago
Anonymous
There it is, a horrible person saying they did something good but it was definitely not to feel less bad about being a horrible person and was totally just to do it just because lmfao. No one believes that shit for a second.
1 week ago
Anonymous
I did it because it needed to be done. It didn't make me feel good or less bad. I wasn't even thinking about that. It just needed to be done and I happened to be the one who did it, nothing more, nothing less. You trying to make it anything other than that says way more about you than it ever will me
1 week ago
Anonymous
>All you're doing is giving reasons on why it could have backfired on Tony (politically and personally) when he obviously did it for personal reasons.
Personal and self-interest aren't the same thing, moron. Tony knew that there would be consequences for killing his top earner and and a made man. He still did a relatively good thing at personal cost.
When as Homelander done such a thing, even by accident? He can't risk anything because he is invulnerable , at least until they make a deus ex machina that can defeat him.
>Should John Wick just have done nothing because the thugs killed his dog?
Ofcourse not anon, the obvious answer when someone kills your dog is to kill 500 people in retaliation.
>How is that not personal gain??
Because Ralph Cifaretto was a made man and a top earner. Not only did Tony risk his own personal safety when he tried to kill Ralph but he also destroyed his reputation and standing with New York guys. He did it all because Ralph killed a fricking horse and a stripper.
Basically yes. The guts of a good character are still present, the actor is still giving an amazing performance.
The show is like a diorama with perfectly shaped elements that are arranged really poorly. From some angles it can look fine, and if you're just talking about one character or one setting element it's amazing.
he's in the grey area between comedy and drama. awards committees are brainlets and want something that falls into an obvious category they've voted for previously.
It feels like the show has gone away completely from making the Vought corporation that control the supes as bad guys. A big reason why Homelander is the way he is is because he wasn’t raised by a loving father and mother. He grew up in a cold room treated as a product by scientists
Good villains have motivations that are relatable or sympathetic. Homelander does horrible things for his personal gain or gratification or to further the agenda of Vaught. None of these are are noble or admirable and that's the reason why Edgar Stan doesn't respect him. The wrtiers don't even have the sense to have Homelander do something noble or admirable by accident. What makes him compelling is that he is a comically evil villain that masquerades as a hero and that he also happens to be the most powerful being in the world. I think people stuck around hoping that his character would actually change but here were are four seasons into the show and he is still a monster.
>Good villains have motivations that are relatable or sympathetic
Sometimes a villain can just be evil for the sake of being evil.
Also your point falls apart because Homelander is supposed to have relatable and sympathetic motivations. He was raised as a lab experiment and lacks parental figures.
>Good villains have motivations that are relatable or sympathetic.
he wants to be loved. this is pretty clear for a while now and they even spelled it out in this episode and when Gus gave him his monologue in the last season.
They spelled this out back in season one. Vought's trump card in controlling him was to have a mother figure manipulate him. They have him drink her breast milk for fricks sake, it's not exactly subtle.
>Good villains have motivations that are relatable or sympathetic
Nah, that's an anti-hero or an anti-villain. Not a villain. A good villain is evil because his goals are evil and they way to reach them is paved by bad intentions.
Explaining why somebody is horrible doesn't make them not horrible. Like with serial killers. Being abused by your single mother doesn't justify murdering a bunch of innocent people.
Oh right, but hundreds of women send serial killers love letters while they're in prison. So I guess to female brains it does justify it.
>Good villains have motivations that are relatable or sympathetic.
Where the hell does this totally erroneous idea come from? It's a recent phenomenon. I grew up with media that didn't believe in his horseshit and it's some of the most iconic entertainment there is. Was Darth Vader sympathetic or relateable in A New Hope? No. He was a murderous thug. Fans loved him. Love of him only grew in Empire Strike's Back as his megalomania and cruelty were shown in more detail. The first time Vader shows even a hint of being sympathetic is at the very end of Return of the Jedi, which is considered the weakest of the original trilogy.
Then you have the prequels focused ENTIRELY on making Vader a relateable, sympathetic character, and literally nobody prefers prequel Anakin over Darth Vader.
>Was Darth Vader sympathetic or relateable in A New Hope? No. He was a murderous thug. Fans loved him
Darth Vader is a tragic villain who believes he ultimately serving a greater good to restore order to the galaxy and he ultimately redeems himself by killing the emperor. So again, he is serving a higher purpose beyond on his own petty self-interested reasons, unlike Homelander.
Vader is a tragic villain who believes he ultimately serving a greater good to restore order to the galaxy and he ultimately redeems himself by killing the emperor
None of that applies to A New Hope. In that movie, Vader is nothing more than a jackbooted henchman for a fascist government. If he's on screen he's either threatening someone, killing someone, or looming menacingly in the background. There are literally zero scenes devoted to Vader's personal history, and absolutely no effort is made to humanize him.
Literally every single thing you talked about him as a "tragic" character is from Return of the Jedi and does not apply to the two films that fans most adore in the franchise, from which Vader derives the bulk of his acclaim.
>None of that applies to A New Hope. In that movie
New hope isn't even considered the best film in that trilogy. Everyone loved it and not just because of Darth Vader.
But Darth Vader established himself a standout villain because he was hyper competent, devoted, mysterious and terrifying. He defeats Obi-Wan in a duel, and leads the attack against the rebels trying to blow up the death star.
You can't even compare him as a character like Homelander who would of probably would of raped princess Leia. Who is all powerful and indestructible, who risks nothing and doesn't have to any skill or competence to succeed yet somehow manages to frick up more than he does succeed. It's no wonder none of the other characters respect him.
Does Homelander even believe anything? For a show that supposed to be a reflection of American society and how ridiculously politicized it has become, he comes just a apolitical corporatist.
I know that Stormfront tried to get him to be a white nationalist or a Nazi but he was disgusted by her beliefs. Homelander might be a raping, murdering psychopath, but at least hes not racist.
>but he was disgusted by her beliefs. Homelander might be a raping, murdering psychopath, but at least hes not racist.
Your media literacy is dogshit.
He didn't believe in her Nazi stuff because he was insulted by the idea that he was part of a wider "aryan race" of humans. They've made it very clearly he sees himself, or at least wants to see himself as, a species above humans. He doesn't want to be "the best Aryan", because he sees being called a human an insult.
Stormfront made the mistake of trying to big him up as human rather than a God to rule humanity
1 week ago
Anonymous
>Your media literacy is dogshit.
My media literacy is far better than yours because I know that this show was written by israelites, produced by israelites, directed by israelites, and in the case of Stormfront, acted by a israelite.
And to a israelite, there is nothing worse than a racist and a anti-semite.
Even Butcher's beef with Stormfront is that she is a racist piece of shit. Ironic coming from Butcher, who breaks his deal with Edgar Stan and leaves an entire squad to be massacred by Homelander.
Or how about Edgar Stan on the nose dialogue about how "lashing out like some raging entitled maniac is a white man's luxury." Right after the BLM Riots, lol.
Oh just spare you dork. So Homelander is a supremacist like Magneto only not as compelling. Thanks for spiel on media literacy.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>4 mentions of israelites in the opening line
1 week ago
Anonymous
>>4 mentions of israelites in the opening line
What's wrong. Do facts challenge your media literacy?
1 week ago
Anonymous
Frenchie's actor is an IDF soldier or something.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>Gaza war starts >all israeli actors need to do gay scenes to show how homophobic Hamas is
1 week ago
Anonymous
>Homelander is a supremacist like Magneto only not as compelling
Magneto at least had a clear goal for the mutants and tried to not kill anyone of his own race.
Homelander doesn't really care about any other supe beside himself and comes off as a hypocrite, he murdered at least 5 supes then had the audacity to call out A Train for killing the Mexican Cop dude.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Homelander has the mentality of a child, which we know now was the point. They conditioned him to be this way to make him easier to control.
Defoe Green Goblin is probably my favorite supervillain ever and he isn’t good in any way, the scary thing about him is his logic makes sense in many ways. He’s what you get when you take empathy and morality out of the equation.
>defeating his own inner demons >growing as a person >gets revenge on the people who raped and tortured him
he unironically did nothing wrong. I understand that they are trying to make it AS OBVIOUS AS POSSIBLE that he is supposed to be the villian here but they are doing a really shitty job. at this point they should give up, give him a swastika tattoo or whatever. the shit they are trying to push since season 1 is obviously not working.
you missing the part where he regularly kills innocent people out of malice or because he just doesn't care. he is a great character, but saying "he did nothing wrong" is just a 65 IQ brainlet take.
he truly represents americans with that fake despot smile
Whenever I see an american laughing with his mouth closed, I just think what a fricking hypocrit that person is
I checked out of The Boys for good somewhere in the beginning of s4e3 and ill never go back. I did see the scene where he tortured the scientists tho, again, well acted phycopath supe.
Being a main character doesn't mean he stops playing the role of the villain.
There have been other shows where the protagonist is the clear cut villain.
do you think after ww3 the israelites will use this as a story for holocaust 2.0?he looks so comically evil white nazi,and the poor minorities in the background.was this show made in hell or just israel??
>do you think after ww3 the israelites will use this as a story for holocaust 2.0?he looks so comically evil white nazi,and the poor minorities in the background.was this show made in hell or just israel??
Seriously what is with /misc/tards using that same exact grade school come back? Like they are still in first grade and think "I'm rubber and you're glue" is still clever.
Explaining why somebody is horrible doesn't make them not horrible. Like with serial killers. Being abused by your single mother doesn't justify murdering a bunch of innocent people.
Oh right, but hundreds of women send serial killers love letters while they're in prison. So I guess to female brains it does justify it.
just like how the holocaust would be justified, if it were real
1 week ago
Anonymous
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sameposting troon
Nothing makes a pussy drier than an incel b***hing about israelites and trannies. You need to stay off /misc/ or you're going to die a kissless virgin.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>Nothing makes a pussy drier than an incel b***hing about israelites
Really the show is made by israelites. Don't you think when discussing the themes and politics and messages involved that it's relevant? Or you a jackass that believes that art and entertainment is not a reflection of the attitudes, biases, and beliefs of the people that make it?
1 week ago
Anonymous
i bet you whish your "neo-vegana" was dry just for once and not an infested pus filled hole of horrors.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Hahahaha ad hom /misc/cel.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>brings up pol out kf nowhere >gets absolutely owned > ugmmhhhmmhh! that's ad hominem!!!
no
he's a promiscuous bawd, he only deserves other deranged bawds
1 week ago
Anonymous
Says the gay that brought up israelites and trannies out of nowhere. You outed yourself as a /misc/gay. No one likes you except other /misc/tards. Stay in your containment board.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Wrong you filthy troony lover. have a nice day
1 week ago
Anonymous
Wasn't the op, we all think you're never having sex.
1 week ago
Anonymous
prostitutes exist
1 week ago
Anonymous
>going outside or inviting her to his house
lol no
1 week ago
Anonymous
>we >we >we
this isn't your internet army you homosexual
1 week ago
Anonymous
Says the gay that brought up israelites and trannies out of nowhere. You outed yourself as a /misc/gay. No one likes you except other /misc/tards. Stay in your containment board.
Seriously what is with /misc/tards using that same exact grade school come back? Like they are still in first grade and think "I'm rubber and you're glue" is still clever.
Seriously what is with /misc/tards using that same exact grade school come back? Like they are still in first grade and think "I'm rubber and you're glue" is still clever.
He said "you've hired some new people since I was last here" when he walks in, so they were just newer people who weren't around then but presumably have since taken part in similar disgusting experiments
They seemed to be actively researching stuff, but I have no idea why they'd need those contraptions still other than that the plot needed them. Maybe they were researching ways to harm Homelander or something, and exposing his old cells to fire etc after using chemicals on them.
Probably won't ever be justified
1 week ago
Anonymous
For any new supes that exhibited near-invulnerability, I'm assuming
I have never seen a show be hard carried by a single actor/character as hard as this one
Like with Sopranos Tony is obviously the most fun but people would still watch it if he wasnt there and it was Christopher as MC and even without him there's still ton of fun characters that would make for an entertaining show, like how some peoples fave scene is the Gloria scene with Pat, there's lots of characters people love
or how House MD has Wilson that's beloved and there's people who wanted Chase only spin off
The Boys has NOTHING except for Homelander going on for it
I guess Soldier Boy came close and he's fricking gone
The deep could just go live at the bottom of the ocean with his octopus wife, he already has a way out, any choice he makes other than that is because of his own greed and hubris.
Take Knight in Gen V was amazing but they barely utilized him. Whenever he was on screen, though, he exuded confidence and menace. Would have loved for him to become a main villain.
>Man I laughed like a crazy person when that happened. I felt actual glee
You do realize that this scene was inspired by one of the writers who had a grandfather was castrated by Nazi lasers in the death camps?
Because his "real super power" is helping out Starlight, which was supposed to be conveyed by his turning up the lights last season rather than teleporting to help
>Why doesn't Hewie take the compound V again, and teleport into homelanders chest and teleport out his heart?
Why doesn't the lady that can make heads explode take compound V to enhance her strength and make Homelanders head explode?
i don't give a frick. the show is for gays and capeshit fans with the venn diagram of them being basically a circle. i've watched the first 3 or 4 episodes when the show came out and i knew right away this isn't worth watching. it's written for an audience that loves supes but wished they were a little edgier. the comic is for people who hate supes and want to see them get raped with a spiked bat.
that would have been a pretty good running gag, have Black Noir get killed or severely wounded several times over the course of the series and then you just see him sitting at the roundtable like nothing ever happened and with no explanation ever
Are there any truly good superheroes in this show? There are a few in the comics, as well as some who have genuinely good intentions but do moronic shit that ends up making things worse.
The deep, leave the stupid shit he did in the first episode of the series and there you have a useless ambientalist superhero >but everything he did is worsen the situation
Hey, atleast he tried
Supersonic was the only active superhero with any character development that was truly good
The deep, leave the stupid shit he did in the first episode of the series and there you have a useless ambientalist superhero >but everything he did is worsen the situation
Hey, atleast he tried
He's killed multiple people on Homelander's request and doesn't see anything wrong with it
So clearly we've hit the point now where we're going to get nothing but filler plotlines as the show spins its wheels trying to keep the story from advancing so they can milk this for as many seasons as possible
It could have been fine even at 4 seasons, but that would involve them trimming away so much filler and just getting to the important parts, what little there is this season. The Boys get their hands on the supe-killing virus from Gen V, they use it but at a major cost of their friends, Hughie kills Butcher for going too far, and that would have been enough.
Nah its them dragging their feet till the next and last season when Presidential Homelander endgame begins
Even with them pushing the Homelander in office sideplot just to ride off of Trump's presidential campaign for marketing, it still makes no sense why everyone in this universe would be okay with letting him have that much power. Yeah there would obviously be some more cult-like fans okay with it, but the vast majority of Americans would be quietly terrified of a blatantly ill god-like entity running the country; enough to turn the tide against him. I think even the comic brought up this issue in some lore dump.
This wouldn't even be a LIBTARD VS NAZI shitstorm of ideologies either, the supes has repeatedly demonstrated throughout the run of this show that they're a bunch of maniacs that are a large threat to the greater non-supe population. There is no way that congress wouldn't unanimously pass something to keep them in check.
The lobotomy shit was stupid and made me respect her less. The smartest people in history still enjoyed leisurely entertainment and fricked shallow b***hes
They're going to keep this and the gay subplots up until like the last five episodes where they have anything related to the ending planned.
Let's have Homelander fly out and uhhh I dunno kill the guys who made compound V next, that won't affect our ending, yeah sure let's go with that.
>A-Train, you're a fraud, don't you care bout them kiiids >Man, frick you *runs away* >A-Train, please help us fight Vought >Frick you, man *runs away*
I hope his character goes somewhere soon
Maybe if he actually did anything to the main characters instead of dicking around for 4 seasons. No idea how people enjoy this saturday morning cartoon crap then pretend its for adults.
If you told me both of them were gone, I'd have zero reason to watch. None of the other plot lines are nearly as compelling, although overall I still feel like the show moved away too much from the initial "KILL THE FRICKING SUPES" dogma from Season 1
>I haven't watched The Goys, is it worth it?
Read the comic instead. >no the show is better!
Sanitized boring shit, just get the full degeneracy instead.
The Boys is a refugee camp for Rick and Morty fans who are too embarrassed to show themselves after the "to be fair, you have to have a very high IQ" copypasta.
I want Frenchie or whatever his name is dead. What a horribly written character. I have nothing against gays but he seems so out of place now it's jarring. Many other characters are suffering the same fault but he's the worst. Season 4 is too late for ASSpull BACKstories
>Goes back and quickly murders and tortures the literal people who physically and mentally tortured him his entire CHILDHOOD.
I'm supposed to think he's evil?
he's well acted. that's about all i'm willing to give credit for.
This.
Like everything else in this show past S1 the writing sucks ass. There’s only so many times you can do
>LE HOMELANDER IS LE UNHINGED AND HE MIGHT KILL ANYONE EXCEPT FOR CONVENIENTLY ANY OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS BUT NO ONE WILL DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT
before it gets old.
His performance is carrying the show. He's not even an amazing actor but it's the perfect marriage of material and specific vibe / talent. He's never going to top this.
I think he's pretty good, no miscues so far. Considering the source material, that's significant
>has completely unmatched power to just destroy humankind if he wanted to
>doesn't
That's a good guy in my book.
then he'd have nowhere to go or anything to do. what i don't understand is why he doesn't just pull a ghengis khan and just take over the planet.
They explain in the last episode they literally employed a shit ton of the worlds best psychiatrists to raise him in a way that would make him have a consistent need for love and recognition so that they could always control him in some way
>take over the world
>pull a kim jung un and indoctrinate the next generation to love you and worship you from a young age
simple as
If you notice, he's not he brightest guy ever. Not totally dumb, but not smart enough to pull off some shit like that.
He's conditioned to seek approval from authority figures, that doesn't work if he's the ultimate authority figure, he doesn't actually care about the people who already adore him unconditionally.
You don't think people actually worship kim jung un right? All those videos of people crying or cheering whenever he is around you can clearly tell they are forcing it. Best Koreans live in total fear of the state and hate the fat bastard for letting them starve while he has a plump little daughter.
She might have done irreparable damage by telling him that. Now he's aware he's been manufactured to want love he's probably going to stop giving a shit and just go full bad guy, and it'll be her fault.
I guess it depends how good the conditioning is. You can tell somebody you fricked with them and purposely made them scared of spiders, but just telling them isn't enough to cure that fear
True. If he's spent his whole life genuinely wanting love, whether he was brainwashed or not, it'll be tough to turn his back on that need.
Still, I wouldn't be surprised if this point is the slow catalyst for him becoming a full-blown genocidal maniac in S5.
Man, she was cute too. I hate what she did to her face. She doesn't look healthy at all
Goddamn, Erin looks drugged out of her mind in this photo.
Is there any media where she doesn't look like she is high or drunk?
>and it'll be her fault
Him being here at all (and killing people) means that the conditioning had already failed, and she knew this. She said it all as a last 'frick you' to him, that they hurt and scarred him in the only way they knew was possible.
He's at the turning point, he's moved on from wanting to disappoint the research staff like you say, but he's still in a place where he'll gladly accept adoration and attention from people who genuinely show it. For now.
Why did she bother coming
>he's probably going to stop giving a shit and just go full bad guy
You mean the thing they've ended literally every season with is finally happening?
This shows status quo is annoying as shit.
I grudgingly give some credit to the normally shit writing for the way they explained things in that speech - how he lasered his way out of his mother and floated into the air with his umbilical cord still attached, that was his arrival into the world. Vought then spent years trying to figure out if there was any way they could physically hurt him, let alone kill him, and everything failed. How fricking terrifying must that be for humans as a species, it's a ticking time bomb that could take out the planet at any moment (especially as a petulant toddler), and there's no way to destroy it. They came up with the best solution possible, to control it through manipulation, though I'd still like to know if Homelander could survive a nuke to the face, or prolonged exposure to vacuum.
He couldn't. Both in the comic and show it's known that an all out war between the military and supes would end in super annihilation, but at a great cost. Homelander would kill a lot of motherfrickers but he'd be taken down eventually. Soldier Boy is as strong if not stronger and they showed his team getting fricked up in military outings.
It was actually one of the best moments in the show. I remember wondering how the hell did Vought manage to contain a kid Homelander.
who's going to boost his ego and kiss his ass if everyone is dead
He's literally the only reason why I'm still watching this show kek.
Kinda amazing how many parallels there are to foundation, and in foundation they killed him off
that's Lee Pace
Yes I know, my point was that they're both "kino characters in an otherwise shit show"
oh i thought you are mixing up the actors.
That's because you're stupid.
that's just mean
I enjoy the deep's scenes
I too am gay unironically, Deep is mwah
why doesn't he just rape the boys
He's too cartoonishly evil. Imagine if Tony Soprano blew up an orphanage in season 2 of The Sopranos.
Do you think he will not do it for some huge financial benefit?
>Do you think he will not do it for some huge financial benefit?
Tony Soprano killed one of his own lieutenants, and made man and top earner just because he burned down a stables with a racehorse inside to collect the insurance payout.
She was a beautiful innocent creature, what did she ever do to you?!
SHE WAS A HO-AH!
I can't believe those two black guys would blow up an orphanage
>He's too cartoonishly evil
it's hilarious that you think that because homelander in the comics is even more cartoonish
in the show homelander is pretty much a human character compared
This is backwards.
is it?
is it?
But the plane scene in the comics is way more humanizing for Homelander than in the show. The Seven are massively ill-prepared for a real threat they have to stop and it's just a domino effect of shit going wrong. Even when he ditches the plane and Mister Marathon tells him he has to find a way to stop the plane from hitting NYC or it'll be even worse for the heroes reputation, he tries to divebomb in the plane to force it to go downwards into the Brooklyn bridge instead and gets one of his supe buddies killed in the process.
The show just has him laser the control panel, go "whoopsie" and try to slink away. The comic version really hammers up how wildly incompetent these superfreaks are.
>The comic version really hammers up how wildly incompetent these superfreaks are.
Which is the whole point of the comics. Supes are just morons, psychos and degenerates who, by a stroke of luck, have powers.
Even Maeve fricks up a bunch
>small child in the exit row
Who writes this shit?
Homelander was a flawed but still moral person in the comics until he fricked up the plane situation
Comic Homelander is just a normal selfish dude who begins to think he's crazy because Black Noir is designed to MK Ultra his ass. Most of the heinous shit HL does isn't actually him.
Hughie is walking around going to work and making hospital visits all the while Homelander wants him dead. This is terrible writing.
In the comic there's a reason why Homelander/the Seven don't just waste The Boys at the earliest opportunity, but the show doesn't even bother trying to explain it, it's stupid.
What is that reason? I stopped reading when Hughie went back to Scotland in some 5 chapter spin off. Should probably continue since it was already over half the series
Vought basically fund the Boys to keep a lid on the supes.
The Boys have a mountain of shocking pictures and info about the supes they're hanging on to as a dead-man switch that will get released to the media if they're killed. It would be the end of Vaught and the Seven if it saw the light of day, so they can't make risk just taking them out.
Because they have years worth of pictures, audios, etc on shit about supes, most notably:
>Homelander going on psychopatic murder-rape spree
>Supes causing 9/11
P7GAB was my favorite starcraft player and Korean word too, OP!
I was a BackHo enjoyer, but after he slipped discs, he never was the same after.
what is his deal now?nobody is telling him what to do,to put on a good face,he murders people outright and they cheer him so why is he having a meltdown like every scene
Anon, he's severely mentally ill.
Because the writing is terrible, hard to imagine a mandated 24 person writing room can come up with so much stupid shit.
That makes sense given the premise from season one, that he's a tool of a machine that he can barely perceive, the Vought corporation. He's lashing out in different directions but no matter what he does the cause of his problems is still there. People aren't telling him what to do to his face, but he's limited because of how the corporate structure works. That character in that premise only has two options, and that's to retire and disappear, or to go full Plutonian.
The tragic element would be that the attempts by the Boys to take him down would convince him to go full Plutonian.
>Plutonian
He's nowhere near that power level.
Maybe, but he could still go most of the way there if he tried.
One of the things they haven't really gotten far enough into yet is how Vought is trying to keep him from going nuts, and how the Boys are actually really fricking with these plans. They prefer to show scenes where he almost freaks out entirely, and have the audience think this is a sensible way to deal with him.
Because the writers need him to wait until Season 5 to go full apeshit so he just has to mope around for 2 seasons
>villain
name me one thing he did wrong
he didn't kill you yet
but he will, just give him some time
he isn't real, anon
No. He's a great hero though.
He would be a good villain for a single season. He just becomes repetitive like everything else on the show did two seasons ago.
No because they stretched the story out too far and now he's impotent. Every time Homelander shares a scene with the Boys and doesn't kill one of them, he loses his effectiveness as a villain.
I think he's a good villain and I read the comics
hes literally me
troony tv.
I don't recall Homelander doing anything good that wasn't for political or personal gain, which makes his character one dimensional.
what exactly would you want him to do that isn't for political or personal gain? no one in real life does things for no reason either. you don't donate canned goods to homeless people or plant trees for no reason, you do it to huff your own farts
>what exactly would you want him to do that isn't for political or personal gain? no one in real life does things for no reason either. you don't donate canned goods to homeless people or plant trees for no reason, you do it to huff your own farts
That's because in real life people actually have to make sacrifices or put themselves at risk to do good things. Homelander is a god among men and has the power to change the world for better and yet all he cares about himself.
Tony Soprano kills Ralph Cifaretto, a made man, because he killed his race horse and because he beat to death a stripper.
Homelander is just a monster.
>Tony Soprano kills Ralph Cifaretto, a made man, because he killed his race horse and because he beat to death a stripper.
>isn't for political or personal gain?
How is that not personal gain??
>no examples
Didn't even try.
I didn't have jack shit to prove to you or anyone, for that matter
Yeah obviously you don't because you're spewing hot air for your own benefit.
All you're doing is giving reasons on why it could have backfired on Tony (politically and personally) when he obviously did it for personal reasons. Should John Wick just have done nothing because the thugs killed his dog? That was a personal reason for him to go nuclear and it hurt him politically, but he didn't care.
And you know this how? I might know a lot, I'm just not willing to waste my time on a knuckle dragging, mouth breathing b***h like you
Yup, just continuing to stroke your own ego without even letting it be challenged. Deep down you know you wouldn't be able to come up with ONE example of someone doing something without personal gain and it's because you're showing why right now. You only responded to me to make yourself feel better and smarter, just like anything you do that you think really isn't for personal gain is just for you to make yourself feel better too.
You couldn't be more wrong. I mean, you could try but I doubt it. People do altruistic acts all the time and if you can't see that, you're fricking blind. I have absolutely nothing to prove to you when you could just use your fricking eyes
Yeah I can see someone give a homeless person food or change or whatever, but I cannot physically see them doing it to make themselves feel better about themselves. No shit? You are moronic and you have nothing to prove because you cannot prove anything.
>Personal and self-interest aren't the same thing, moron
How are they not?
>personal: of or concerning one's private life, relationships, and emotions rather than matters connected with one's public or professional career
>self-interest: one's personal interest or advantage, especially when pursued without regard for others.
: of or concerning one's private life, relationships, and emotions rather than matters connected with one's public or professional career
>>self-interest: one's personal interest or advantage, especially when pursued without regard for others
I can see how these two things are literally the same thing in from your cringe ,simple-minded Hobbesian perspective.
>Personal: I want to kill this person because I believe they deserve it
>Self-interest: Is it in my advantage to kill this person?
Your conclusion: These two things are the same.
Yeah and the advantage can be something as small as: "he's bad for business" or "it emotionally damaged me because of my horse and it will help me recover / feel better".
moron.
>Yeah and the advantage can be something as small as: "he's bad for business" or "it emotionally damaged me because of my horse and it will help me recover / feel better".
How is Tony killing his Top Earner bad for business you fricking moron. Ralph was his top earner and his connection to New York. It was literally bad for business to kill him. Go away now, troll.
>How is Tony killing his Top Earner bad for business
>not
"Bad for business" can mean more than just making money you absolute fricking dirt chewing turbotard. Just because he made a bunch of money doesn't mean he couldn't be a huge liability because of being a loose cannon. Also way to completely ignore the horse part. Are you legitimately trying to say Tony had him killed for no reason at all and that what makes a good villain?
>"Bad for business" can mean more than just making money you absolute fricking dirt chewing turbotard. Just because he made a bunch of money doesn't mean he couldn't be a huge liability because of being a loose cannon. Also way to completely ignore the horse part. Are you legitimately trying to say Tony had him killed for no reason at all and that what makes a good villain?
Tony killed him because he killed the horse and the stripper. Ralph was good for business. He was the top earner and in a bridge between New York. It wasn't in is self interest to kill Ralph and he actually suffered consequences because of it. You are just too dumb to make the distinction between self-interest and personal even though you posted the definitions of each word which explained two different concepts yet thought it was evidence that they both the same thing.
Suffering consequences from doing something doesn't mean you still didn't do it for yourself. As you said, Tony killed him because he killed the horse and the stripper. Obviously was emotional especially over the horse and to make himself feel better over his damaged emotions he made himself feel better by killing Raphie. The fact that there were consequences from that mean nothing. The short term advantage didn't outweigh the long term consequences doesn't mean an advantage wasn't there at all you moron.
Are you seriously saying Homelander has had no consequences from his actions?
>Suffering consequences from doing something doesn't mean you still didn't do it for yourself
How the frick do you kill a made man in the mafia and not expect consequences? The whole reason why the scene was dramatic was because Ralph was so well-connected and Tony made a huge mistake by killing him even if the reasons he did it were motivated by vengeance and justice. He does things like this all throughout the series which is why the audience loves him so much. Hes a bad person but sometimes he does good things at his own personal expense.
Why do you think he did not expect consequences?
>personal: of or concerning one's private life, relationships, and emotions rather than matters connected with one's public or professional career
Oh wow so Tony did things that he wanted to do for himself (and that hurt him publicly/professionally) which sounds a ton like PERSONAL GAIN.
>Oh wow so Tony did things that he wanted to do for himself (and that hurt him publicly/professionally) which sounds a ton like PERSONAL GAIN.
Okay well I'm done with you. You're a moron who is unwilling to accept that Personal and self-interest are two different concepts.
"But Tony Soprano, the head of the Soprano family and a mob boss, didn't know that if he killed a well-connected made man that there would be consequences."
"There for I brilliantly conclude that it was in his self-interest in that moment to kill the well-connected made man because it would make him feel good. Check mate, I've won the debate."
>unwilling to accept that Personal and self-interest are two different concepts.
Because they are not different concepts, your initial post said that Homelander only does things for political or PERSONAL gain and then you changed your tune to try and argue what you actually meant to say was that Homelander does things for self-interest because you're hyperfocused on the "advantage" part completely missing the first part stating "one's personal interest or"
>PERSONAL
>OR
Clearly you completely ignored those two things and since you want to focus on the word "advantage" I humored you and yet you're still too moronic to realize there can be advantages even with consequences. You really think Tony had no advantage over Ralphie? He was alive and Ralphie was dead, that is an advantage. Tony needed to kill Ralphie because of his own emotions of not wanting to be seen as the same kind of monster as him that killed innocents, giving him a PERSONAL advantage.
I don't care to prove anything to anyone on this board. There's a difference between can't and won't, you feckless moron
Excuses excuses excuses, you won't because you can't.
I absolutely can and don't care if you believe it or not. It makes no difference to me
Sure it doesn't, that's why you're totally still responding.
Boredom prompts me, not your inane argument
You can find better ways to huff your own farts.
Please tell me since you're the expert on huffing one's farts. Moron
Go give a homeless man food and pretend everyone around you watching just thinks your doing it for selfless reasons.
I wouldn't care if anyone is watching or not. I've done plenty of stuff to help ppl with no expectations whatsoever other than the action itself. Explain that in your black and white morality if you can. I do not think I'm in no way a good person, I've done lots of bad things. I did it because it was needed and I was the one there that could provide whatever little relief that was had. No more, no less
Lmao annndddd there it is, like clockwork.
There what is, proof that you're an idiot? We didn't need proof. You've proven it plenty
There it is, a horrible person saying they did something good but it was definitely not to feel less bad about being a horrible person and was totally just to do it just because lmfao. No one believes that shit for a second.
I did it because it needed to be done. It didn't make me feel good or less bad. I wasn't even thinking about that. It just needed to be done and I happened to be the one who did it, nothing more, nothing less. You trying to make it anything other than that says way more about you than it ever will me
>All you're doing is giving reasons on why it could have backfired on Tony (politically and personally) when he obviously did it for personal reasons.
Personal and self-interest aren't the same thing, moron. Tony knew that there would be consequences for killing his top earner and and a made man. He still did a relatively good thing at personal cost.
When as Homelander done such a thing, even by accident? He can't risk anything because he is invulnerable , at least until they make a deus ex machina that can defeat him.
>Should John Wick just have done nothing because the thugs killed his dog?
Ofcourse not anon, the obvious answer when someone kills your dog is to kill 500 people in retaliation.
>How is that not personal gain??
Because Ralph Cifaretto was a made man and a top earner. Not only did Tony risk his own personal safety when he tried to kill Ralph but he also destroyed his reputation and standing with New York guys. He did it all because Ralph killed a fricking horse and a stripper.
That's not true. Altruism exists, you ass spelunker. Just because you wouldn't doesn't mean no one would. homosexual
> I'm a lowdown selfish piece of shit c**t therefore everybody else is
Classic projection you dipshit
>The people who are really responsible are me, Dr. Vogelbaum, Stan Edgar.
Is this dude like 100 years old? How was he in a position of power in his, what, early to mid 20's?
they are responsible for making homelander
homelander was made more recently
Basically yes. The guts of a good character are still present, the actor is still giving an amazing performance.
The show is like a diorama with perfectly shaped elements that are arranged really poorly. From some angles it can look fine, and if you're just talking about one character or one setting element it's amazing.
I love how giving crazy this dude is for real. I laugh, too, when shit goes sideways. I sound like a fricking LOON
I'm still pissed he didn't win an Emmy for that season.
There seems to be a push for him this year so hoping he will finally
he's in the grey area between comedy and drama. awards committees are brainlets and want something that falls into an obvious category they've voted for previously.
If the writing was as good as season 1 he might've gotten one, doesn't matter how good a performance is if what you're performing is absolute shit
It feels like the show has gone away completely from making the Vought corporation that control the supes as bad guys. A big reason why Homelander is the way he is is because he wasn’t raised by a loving father and mother. He grew up in a cold room treated as a product by scientists
Good villains have motivations that are relatable or sympathetic. Homelander does horrible things for his personal gain or gratification or to further the agenda of Vaught. None of these are are noble or admirable and that's the reason why Edgar Stan doesn't respect him. The wrtiers don't even have the sense to have Homelander do something noble or admirable by accident. What makes him compelling is that he is a comically evil villain that masquerades as a hero and that he also happens to be the most powerful being in the world. I think people stuck around hoping that his character would actually change but here were are four seasons into the show and he is still a monster.
>Good villains have motivations that are relatable or sympathetic
Sometimes a villain can just be evil for the sake of being evil.
Also your point falls apart because Homelander is supposed to have relatable and sympathetic motivations. He was raised as a lab experiment and lacks parental figures.
>Good villains have motivations that are relatable or sympathetic.
he wants to be loved. this is pretty clear for a while now and they even spelled it out in this episode and when Gus gave him his monologue in the last season.
They spelled this out back in season one. Vought's trump card in controlling him was to have a mother figure manipulate him. They have him drink her breast milk for fricks sake, it's not exactly subtle.
>Good villains have motivations that are relatable or sympathetic.
Wrong. Completely fricking wrong.
>Good villains have motivations that are relatable or sympathetic
Nah, that's an anti-hero or an anti-villain. Not a villain. A good villain is evil because his goals are evil and they way to reach them is paved by bad intentions.
Terrible take, not every villain needs a sob story as to why they horrible things
>not every villain needs a sob story as to why they horrible things
That is literally what Homelander is you moron, lol.
Explaining why somebody is horrible doesn't make them not horrible. Like with serial killers. Being abused by your single mother doesn't justify murdering a bunch of innocent people.
Oh right, but hundreds of women send serial killers love letters while they're in prison. So I guess to female brains it does justify it.
sure it does
>Good villains have motivations that are relatable or sympathetic.
Where the hell does this totally erroneous idea come from? It's a recent phenomenon. I grew up with media that didn't believe in his horseshit and it's some of the most iconic entertainment there is. Was Darth Vader sympathetic or relateable in A New Hope? No. He was a murderous thug. Fans loved him. Love of him only grew in Empire Strike's Back as his megalomania and cruelty were shown in more detail. The first time Vader shows even a hint of being sympathetic is at the very end of Return of the Jedi, which is considered the weakest of the original trilogy.
Then you have the prequels focused ENTIRELY on making Vader a relateable, sympathetic character, and literally nobody prefers prequel Anakin over Darth Vader.
>Was Darth Vader sympathetic or relateable in A New Hope? No. He was a murderous thug. Fans loved him
Darth Vader is a tragic villain who believes he ultimately serving a greater good to restore order to the galaxy and he ultimately redeems himself by killing the emperor. So again, he is serving a higher purpose beyond on his own petty self-interested reasons, unlike Homelander.
Vader is a tragic villain who believes he ultimately serving a greater good to restore order to the galaxy and he ultimately redeems himself by killing the emperor
None of that applies to A New Hope. In that movie, Vader is nothing more than a jackbooted henchman for a fascist government. If he's on screen he's either threatening someone, killing someone, or looming menacingly in the background. There are literally zero scenes devoted to Vader's personal history, and absolutely no effort is made to humanize him.
Literally every single thing you talked about him as a "tragic" character is from Return of the Jedi and does not apply to the two films that fans most adore in the franchise, from which Vader derives the bulk of his acclaim.
>None of that applies to A New Hope. In that movie
New hope isn't even considered the best film in that trilogy. Everyone loved it and not just because of Darth Vader.
But Darth Vader established himself a standout villain because he was hyper competent, devoted, mysterious and terrifying. He defeats Obi-Wan in a duel, and leads the attack against the rebels trying to blow up the death star.
You can't even compare him as a character like Homelander who would of probably would of raped princess Leia. Who is all powerful and indestructible, who risks nothing and doesn't have to any skill or competence to succeed yet somehow manages to frick up more than he does succeed. It's no wonder none of the other characters respect him.
Does Homelander even believe anything? For a show that supposed to be a reflection of American society and how ridiculously politicized it has become, he comes just a apolitical corporatist.
I know that Stormfront tried to get him to be a white nationalist or a Nazi but he was disgusted by her beliefs. Homelander might be a raping, murdering psychopath, but at least hes not racist.
>but at least hes not racist
Can't be racist when you hate and look down on everyone equally
>Can't be racist when you hate and look down on everyone equally
Oh so hes like Magneto only not as cool.
>but he was disgusted by her beliefs. Homelander might be a raping, murdering psychopath, but at least hes not racist.
Your media literacy is dogshit.
He didn't believe in her Nazi stuff because he was insulted by the idea that he was part of a wider "aryan race" of humans. They've made it very clearly he sees himself, or at least wants to see himself as, a species above humans. He doesn't want to be "the best Aryan", because he sees being called a human an insult.
Stormfront made the mistake of trying to big him up as human rather than a God to rule humanity
>Your media literacy is dogshit.
My media literacy is far better than yours because I know that this show was written by israelites, produced by israelites, directed by israelites, and in the case of Stormfront, acted by a israelite.
And to a israelite, there is nothing worse than a racist and a anti-semite.
Even Butcher's beef with Stormfront is that she is a racist piece of shit. Ironic coming from Butcher, who breaks his deal with Edgar Stan and leaves an entire squad to be massacred by Homelander.
Or how about Edgar Stan on the nose dialogue about how "lashing out like some raging entitled maniac is a white man's luxury." Right after the BLM Riots, lol.
Oh just spare you dork. So Homelander is a supremacist like Magneto only not as compelling. Thanks for spiel on media literacy.
>4 mentions of israelites in the opening line
>>4 mentions of israelites in the opening line
What's wrong. Do facts challenge your media literacy?
Frenchie's actor is an IDF soldier or something.
>Gaza war starts
>all israeli actors need to do gay scenes to show how homophobic Hamas is
>Homelander is a supremacist like Magneto only not as compelling
Magneto at least had a clear goal for the mutants and tried to not kill anyone of his own race.
Homelander doesn't really care about any other supe beside himself and comes off as a hypocrite, he murdered at least 5 supes then had the audacity to call out A Train for killing the Mexican Cop dude.
Homelander has the mentality of a child, which we know now was the point. They conditioned him to be this way to make him easier to control.
are the israelites in the room with you now ?
Redditors will say this while their favorite villain is the Joker or Hannibal Lector
Nah a good villain is a piece of shit but charismatic enough to mask that fact.
>Good villains have motivations that are relatable or sympathetic.
Not necessarily, Presentation matters most of all.
Defoe Green Goblin is probably my favorite supervillain ever and he isn’t good in any way, the scary thing about him is his logic makes sense in many ways. He’s what you get when you take empathy and morality out of the equation.
Defoe Goblin is great because he's really god damn competent. Him beating the shit out of Holland Spidey is so fricking well done.
>defeating his own inner demons
>growing as a person
>gets revenge on the people who raped and tortured him
he unironically did nothing wrong. I understand that they are trying to make it AS OBVIOUS AS POSSIBLE that he is supposed to be the villian here but they are doing a really shitty job. at this point they should give up, give him a swastika tattoo or whatever. the shit they are trying to push since season 1 is obviously not working.
you missing the part where he regularly kills innocent people out of malice or because he just doesn't care. he is a great character, but saying "he did nothing wrong" is just a 65 IQ brainlet take.
Dude. This is the only episode in 4 whole seasons where Homelander brutally killing someone makes sense. He's still a horrible person.
he truly represents americans with that fake despot smile
Whenever I see an american laughing with his mouth closed, I just think what a fricking hypocrit that person is
He truly does not. Stop posting
Do you think another Stillwell-type character who'd baby him would help calm him down/be a distraction or is he too far gone at this point?
Supposedly firecracker is going to breastfeed him at some point
I hope we get to see her breasts and they are not a hideous disappointment
we won't.
Yeah, I didn't think so
he was the only reason I was still watching
I checked out of The Boys for good somewhere in the beginning of s4e3 and ill never go back. I did see the scene where he tortured the scientists tho, again, well acted phycopath supe.
The show is now super cringe
How is he a villain? He's basically the second main character?
Are you slow? Villain ≠ Antagonist
okay? He's one of the main characters though. You see almost half the show through his eyes. At least a 3rd. He's not the villain.
Being a main character doesn't mean he stops playing the role of the villain.
There have been other shows where the protagonist is the clear cut villain.
If you're the main character you're the hero.
He's not a villain, just misunderstood
do you think after ww3 the israelites will use this as a story for holocaust 2.0?he looks so comically evil white nazi,and the poor minorities in the background.was this show made in hell or just israel??
>do you think after ww3 the israelites will use this as a story for holocaust 2.0?he looks so comically evil white nazi,and the poor minorities in the background.was this show made in hell or just israel??
why did you post a selfie,israelite boy?
> why did you post a selfie,israelite boy?
sameposting troon
Stay in /misc/ homosexual.
just like how the holocaust would be justified, if it were real
Nothing makes a pussy drier than an incel b***hing about israelites and trannies. You need to stay off /misc/ or you're going to die a kissless virgin.
>Nothing makes a pussy drier than an incel b***hing about israelites
Really the show is made by israelites. Don't you think when discussing the themes and politics and messages involved that it's relevant? Or you a jackass that believes that art and entertainment is not a reflection of the attitudes, biases, and beliefs of the people that make it?
i bet you whish your "neo-vegana" was dry just for once and not an infested pus filled hole of horrors.
Hahahaha ad hom /misc/cel.
>brings up pol out kf nowhere
>gets absolutely owned
> ugmmhhhmmhh! that's ad hominem!!!
Says the gay that brought up israelites and trannies out of nowhere. You outed yourself as a /misc/gay. No one likes you except other /misc/tards. Stay in your containment board.
Wrong you filthy troony lover. have a nice day
Wasn't the op, we all think you're never having sex.
prostitutes exist
>going outside or inviting her to his house
lol no
>we
>we
>we
this isn't your internet army you homosexual
samegayging
Seriously what is with /misc/tards using that same exact grade school come back? Like they are still in first grade and think "I'm rubber and you're glue" is still clever.
it's like a fricking hive mind.
Cry more homosexual. Can't wait to drag you behind my truck
It's on the same level as 'see this drawing of an ugly person? that's you!'
Stop killing babies you Satan worshippers
never, you virgin chud
Wait a min, if he's secretly gay, then why is the the big bad evil villain?? this is written by leftoids correct?
Why does he look like that? What edgy thing did he do this time?
tortured and killed the peeps that abused him as a child
Do we see their bodies?
Head scientist lady gets sealed in the room they locked him in as a child with it filled with the splattered remains of the other scientists
I hate to say it, I needed that explanation. I wasn't 100% sure wtf was going on
yes
>tortured and killed the peeps that abused him as a child
Most of them look younger than him. Was his growth accelerated?
I think he knew they were guilty of the same things that were done to him so they had to die by default
If there were plans to do the same to his son, Homelander would've been 100% in the right.
I wholeheartedly agree
The only ones remaining were the three - 2 old guys and the lady. Most were new and were torn apart in the room.
My assumption is that she's locked in there like the sand snake mom from GOT
I at least wanted to see what was going on, not implied what was going on. I might be a brainlet
He said "you've hired some new people since I was last here" when he walks in, so they were just newer people who weren't around then but presumably have since taken part in similar disgusting experiments
Why even have that lab running still? Surely they don't need a giant walk-in oven anymore
They seemed to be actively researching stuff, but I have no idea why they'd need those contraptions still other than that the plot needed them. Maybe they were researching ways to harm Homelander or something, and exposing his old cells to fire etc after using chemicals on them.
Probably won't ever be justified
For any new supes that exhibited near-invulnerability, I'm assuming
maybe homelander clone
No, he's a bad hero.
Yeah he is. He's always interesting and always dangerous. That's basically all a villain needs to be.
you can see their body pieces splattered all over a holding room towards the end
Is Frenchie’s bf the new Todd?
They remembered for one episode that Homelander is Homelander, not Trump, so that's a start.
I have never seen a show be hard carried by a single actor/character as hard as this one
Like with Sopranos Tony is obviously the most fun but people would still watch it if he wasnt there and it was Christopher as MC and even without him there's still ton of fun characters that would make for an entertaining show, like how some peoples fave scene is the Gloria scene with Pat, there's lots of characters people love
or how House MD has Wilson that's beloved and there's people who wanted Chase only spin off
The Boys has NOTHING except for Homelander going on for it
I guess Soldier Boy came close and he's fricking gone
Don't front like you don't love Butcher and The Deep
I feel bad for the Deep. Can't he just have a normal woman to love him?
no
he's a promiscuous bawd, he only deserves other deranged bawds
The deep could just go live at the bottom of the ocean with his octopus wife, he already has a way out, any choice he makes other than that is because of his own greed and hubris.
quintessential hagcore
I'd watch a mini series with The Deep going his own way
might be true. I can't even finish the first episode of gen v
I think Butcher carries the show too
they also found an unexpected goldmine with The Deep. His moronation is charming and extremely entertaining.
Yeah The Deep usually has good scenes. I'm kinda sick of all the fish fricking jokes though. By season 3 they were leaning on that too hard
Take Knight in Gen V was amazing but they barely utilized him. Whenever he was on screen, though, he exuded confidence and menace. Would have loved for him to become a main villain.
Based
Man I laughed like a crazy person when that happened. I felt actual glee
>Man I laughed like a crazy person when that happened. I felt actual glee
You do realize that this scene was inspired by one of the writers who had a grandfather was castrated by Nazi lasers in the death camps?
No and it's fictionalized so it doesn't matter anyway
>be israelite
>mutilate helpless childrens genitals
>get own genitals mutilated and destroyed
I'm supposed to feel bad why exactly?
now I'm laughing even harder
>I'll honor the memory of my grandfather by referencing his torture in a humiliating scene in a capeshit show
??????????????????????????
why was his dick so high up? Pretty sure If a beam passed through a dick it would not exit just above the butthole
Why doesn't Hewie take the compound V again, and teleport into homelanders chest and teleport out his heart?
it's spelled ooowee
Because his "real super power" is helping out Starlight, which was supposed to be conveyed by his turning up the lights last season rather than teleporting to help
>Why doesn't Hewie take the compound V again, and teleport into homelanders chest and teleport out his heart?
Why doesn't the lady that can make heads explode take compound V to enhance her strength and make Homelanders head explode?
This show seems like total israeli degeneracy and literally evil.
black noir is the homelander
That'll get changed for the show, 100% guarantee
i don't give a frick. the show is for gays and capeshit fans with the venn diagram of them being basically a circle. i've watched the first 3 or 4 episodes when the show came out and i knew right away this isn't worth watching. it's written for an audience that loves supes but wished they were a little edgier. the comic is for people who hate supes and want to see them get raped with a spiked bat.
Thanks for your useless opinion. Congratulations, I guess
they already changed it. he was a black dude abd homie killed him. maybe the new guy is some sort of clone but i doubt it
you dont fricking talk
i love this moron
>sorry guys, I'm narcoleptic
>Sorry guys, I'm narcoleptic
You made me guffaw, sir.
Well done.
They've already confirmed that the new Black Noir is just an actor, they seem to be positioning Neuman as the equivalent of clonelander.
>They've already confirmed that the new Black Noir is just an actor,
Would of been funnier if they just brought back Black Noir with no explanation.
that would have been a pretty good running gag, have Black Noir get killed or severely wounded several times over the course of the series and then you just see him sitting at the roundtable like nothing ever happened and with no explanation ever
Maybe he's only acting like a moron.
Are there any truly good superheroes in this show? There are a few in the comics, as well as some who have genuinely good intentions but do moronic shit that ends up making things worse.
blindspot was truly good and kind. the purer you are in the verse the faster you get fricked up
The deep, leave the stupid shit he did in the first episode of the series and there you have a useless ambientalist superhero
>but everything he did is worsen the situation
Hey, atleast he tried
Supersonic was the only active superhero with any character development that was truly good
He's killed multiple people on Homelander's request and doesn't see anything wrong with it
>Submissed by a powerfull figue that could kill him
Not count
So clearly we've hit the point now where we're going to get nothing but filler plotlines as the show spins its wheels trying to keep the story from advancing so they can milk this for as many seasons as possible
Apparently Season 5 is the last. I think this could have been a memorable series if they'd capped it at 3 seasons and trimmed all the extraneous shit.
It could have been fine even at 4 seasons, but that would involve them trimming away so much filler and just getting to the important parts, what little there is this season. The Boys get their hands on the supe-killing virus from Gen V, they use it but at a major cost of their friends, Hughie kills Butcher for going too far, and that would have been enough.
Even with them pushing the Homelander in office sideplot just to ride off of Trump's presidential campaign for marketing, it still makes no sense why everyone in this universe would be okay with letting him have that much power. Yeah there would obviously be some more cult-like fans okay with it, but the vast majority of Americans would be quietly terrified of a blatantly ill god-like entity running the country; enough to turn the tide against him. I think even the comic brought up this issue in some lore dump.
This wouldn't even be a LIBTARD VS NAZI shitstorm of ideologies either, the supes has repeatedly demonstrated throughout the run of this show that they're a bunch of maniacs that are a large threat to the greater non-supe population. There is no way that congress wouldn't unanimously pass something to keep them in check.
The promise of the show is that they could, you know, SHOW the process of him gaining power like that.
They still could do that, but they'd need to work back from just saying Homelander is popular / divisive to showing it.
no. they said it's ending next season
Nah its them dragging their feet till the next and last season when Presidential Homelander endgame begins
he's getting old, this show needs to end before he turns into larry king.
They only have one season left. They should film it now.
Sage seems like a better villain at the moment.
hows that fo uppidy cracka
>Hometeamers
Wakanda forever
The lobotomy shit was stupid and made me respect her less. The smartest people in history still enjoyed leisurely entertainment and fricked shallow b***hes
I just watched a short interview with Erin Moriarty and she's a genuinely stupid person, that explains so much about her bad plastic surgery choices.
>Homelander zones out
>Ringing noise
>Comes back
>Rages and acts like a psycho
>"WOOOOAH HOMELANDER IS SO CRAZY, BRO"
It was good the first few times, but they really gotta change up the formula.
They're going to keep this and the gay subplots up until like the last five episodes where they have anything related to the ending planned.
Let's have Homelander fly out and uhhh I dunno kill the guys who made compound V next, that won't affect our ending, yeah sure let's go with that.
A train is the actual hero of the show btw
>A-Train, you're a fraud, don't you care bout them kiiids
>Man, frick you *runs away*
>A-Train, please help us fight Vought
>Frick you, man *runs away*
I hope his character goes somewhere soon
WHY ARE YOU GUYS ROOTING FOR THE BAD GUYS, YOU SUPPOSE TO RELATED WITH THE UNDERDOGS
SUPS ARE BAD
I dont even watch the show
I just watched the scenes with homelander in them on youtube and call it a day
"Good Villain"
At this point, I'm almost certain that Homelander is the protagonist.
Maybe if he actually did anything to the main characters instead of dicking around for 4 seasons. No idea how people enjoy this saturday morning cartoon crap then pretend its for adults.
Wtf happened to starlights face in this new season?
Plastic surgery
Actress got mad because some dickless column writer said she was a chubby cheeked beauty.
So, like women do, she carved her face up.
Yes. He carries the show, along with Butcher.
If you told me both of them were gone, I'd have zero reason to watch. None of the other plot lines are nearly as compelling, although overall I still feel like the show moved away too much from the initial "KILL THE FRICKING SUPES" dogma from Season 1
What exactly is the reason that after two years they don't just drop all the episodes at once? the reception has been dog shit anyways.
No. He’s should be killing everyone whenever but the bad writing tells him and gives plot armor to so many characters.
He’s is suppose to be terrifying yet you know he can’t kill any of the main characters because the writers said so. So nothing he does matters.
>inb4 but date da point
Cool. Still doesn’t make it interesting.
>No. He’s should be killing everyone whenever but the bad writing tells him and gives plot armor to so many characters.
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I haven't watched The Goys, is it worth it? Clearly the new season is not but people like season one and two??
No, it's not worth it in the slightest. You should search for something better to watch, friend.
>I haven't watched The Goys, is it worth it?
Read the comic instead.
>no the show is better!
Sanitized boring shit, just get the full degeneracy instead.
But then he'd miss all the full frontal shots of flopping penises, anon.
I liked season 1 but it is all downhill from there
Can someone post another shot of twink homelander? I don't want to rewatch the entire thing and I forgot where it popped up
The Boys is a refugee camp for Rick and Morty fans who are too embarrassed to show themselves after the "to be fair, you have to have a very high IQ" copypasta.
He is the only good character in the show outside of soldier boy
why didn't he just laser the engines and carry the plane?
Put a nail under some cardboard and step on it and you'll see why.
all he has to do is match the speed of the plane and decelerate it
why didnt he just speed around and take everyone to the ground
because he doesn't care
Technically he could have done that though unless he isn't as fast as a train which wouldn't make sense
of course he could. there is probably 30 different ways he could have save everyone.he doesn't care because he isn't a hero
He's not the flash, he should completely frick people up moving them at the speed he'd need to in order to get everyone off the plane.
This is like the one time in capeshit that realistic physics is a thing.
Because he's a cruel moron
Wtf was Maeve gonna do here anyway?
>everyone loves him
>inarguably the protagonist of the series
No, he's a terrible villain.
He's the hero of the story despite what the israeli writers want you to believe.
I want Frenchie or whatever his name is dead. What a horribly written character. I have nothing against gays but he seems so out of place now it's jarring. Many other characters are suffering the same fault but he's the worst. Season 4 is too late for ASSpull BACKstories
>Goes back and quickly murders and tortures the literal people who physically and mentally tortured him his entire CHILDHOOD.
I'm supposed to think he's evil?
He is a villain? I thought he is the good guy?
>steals your spin-off in 1 scene
Could Cate mind control Homelander?