Is he right about comic sales?

Low tier 5k
Mid tier 25k
High tier 75k

Not counting #1's and variant covers.

It's All Fucked Shirt $22.14

Unattended Children Pitbull Club Shirt $21.68

It's All Fucked Shirt $22.14

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The comic book market was manufactured by Heritage Auction, that through shill-bidding, anonymity, and news outlets tricked the public into thinking that there were high-end buyers for these comics.

    They tried to do the same thing with videogames, but gamers were smart enough to expose it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >They failed
      Good

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Wait is this thread about individual comic book auctions like selling an old issue of Strange Tales or some shit or is this about monthly sales of new issues?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Monthly sales. I have no idea what that guy was talking about. Maybe he thought the numbers in OP were prices instead of amounts sold.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      tbqh it reminds me of Antiques Roadshow where some boomer brings in his old useless junk and some moron tells him it's worth thousands and thousands of dollars "at auction."

      Who's buying at these auctions? "Sotheby's"? It all feels like money laundering.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It really is admirable that gamers actually had the balls to push back against shitty trends in there medium unlike comic book readers,

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It became really obvious when WATA & Heritage attempted to shill that Super Mario 64, a game that sold millions of copies (with tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of copies still complete in box) and isn't even 30 years old "sold" at auction for $1.56 million, they pushed that shit way too fast and with way too much hubris that it became obvious something was rotten in Denmark. Not even Action Comics #1 sold for that much when the comic book speculator boom hit in the early 90's, and that had way more cultural and historical value by that point, not to mention a copy of Action Comics #1 in good shape would be much rarer than goddamn Mario 64.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Which comic market, the one that existed before Heritage Auctions and Mainstream Internet?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It really is admirable that gamers actually had the balls to push back against shitty trends in there medium unlike comic book readers,

      >dude video games got blatantly manipulated by Heritage therefore Heritage has been influencing the comics market all this time

      This is fricking midwit-tier deduction
      Overstreet Price Guide was pricing Action Comics #1 at $300 in 1970
      Heritage didn't start auctioning comics until 2001 and things like Action Comics #1 and Detective Comics #27 were already hitting into the hundreds of thousands in the early 90s
      And the 1940s and 50s at least had the excuse that a lot of copies would've been destroyed (recycled for paper drive in the 1940s, books getting burned in the 1950s due to the comic scare)

      The video game high prices were suspicious for the reasons

      It became really obvious when WATA & Heritage attempted to shill that Super Mario 64, a game that sold millions of copies (with tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of copies still complete in box) and isn't even 30 years old "sold" at auction for $1.56 million, they pushed that shit way too fast and with way too much hubris that it became obvious something was rotten in Denmark. Not even Action Comics #1 sold for that much when the comic book speculator boom hit in the early 90's, and that had way more cultural and historical value by that point, not to mention a copy of Action Comics #1 in good shape would be much rarer than goddamn Mario 64.

      said. Plus it's now way easier for a group of people to manipulate the market because of the internet

      If you're talking about the market for like MCU first appearances and shit I could believe some of it is manipulated but not all

  2. 1 month ago
    LopiBats

    That's terrible. Wow. No wonder the comics are so stupid with zero quality control. No one is reading them HAHAHAHAHA.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, and you left out that only 5% of books sell in the high tier. So that's literally about 10-12 comics, across ALL of US market.
    Once again I remember the time X-Men was canceled because its sales dipped momentarily below 200k. That was considered a disaster line. Nowadays NOTHING sells even half that.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Only 10-12 comics are high tier
      If manga is any indication, that's normal. It's Shonen Jump or bust.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Uwotm8?
        Most of the weekly manga top sellers aren't even in SJ these days.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The difference is that high tier for manga is in the tens of millions, not tens of thousands.

          Manga is also not a speculative asset in Japan, and the Shokugakukan group has the nuts to make a dozen different lines for each of their publushers. DC and Marvel only make the one type of comic in the one line, and at far slower a rate than the Japanese do.

          The high tier seems much higher though. Shonen Jump is like a million every issue, and I don't think that's even counting their digital app thing.

          The video points out that anything that isn't Shonen Jump barely moves any units per month. Even then, Shonen Jump is only 45k per story each month.

          Without the tankobon sales, Shonen Jump would be an Image level publisher. Everyone below Shonen Jump, IDW or worse.

          It's all in the video.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's almost like people who buy manga don't go to comic stores since they have no reason to.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              That 45k Shounen Jump sales are sales IN JAPAN. Not anywhere else.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You're moronic and are literally lying through your teeth.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That's tankoban sales, NOT Shonen Jump circulations. I don't think you watched the video. We're talking floppies with SJ being the Japanese equivalent.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >We're talking floppies with SJ being the Japanese equivalent.
                This cope is getting old.
                Even then, manga magazine circulation figures are far FAR higher than 45k.
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_manga_magazines_by_circulation
                Even Josei manga magazines have higher circulation figures than your average floppy sales.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Magazines were and still are the future, and if it weren't for TWC's moronic decision to mothball Time in favor of Zuck's video scam that would have rallied by now.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Magazines are the past, they might maybe have a future digitally, but physical magazines will never be relevant in America again outside of doctor's offices and bathrooms.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The real problem is they stopped being interactive and trying to push subscriptions and ads as the main form of revenue. Lots of the independent magazines still do alright, so long as they don't try to become media conglomerates, and they serve a public interest in the form of easy popular journalism.
                This idea that things that were doing fine prior to 2014 are somehow gone and dead when most of them were only killed because they didn't understand their value and sales model and tried to pivot into something suicidal is missing the point.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Oh yea, a small scale magazine that thrives entirely on subscription fees could totally still do decently, but America has a habit of everyone eventually getting bought out by larger conglomerates, and those conglomerates are obsessed with the infinite growth meme, so having a magazine that's able to sustain itself and maybe occasionally see small amounts of profit isn't enough for them, they're always going to maximize short term profits at the expense of everything else because your average shareholder is a knuckle-dragger.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, exactly. Small magazines are sustainable, and larger magazines are the same amount of sustainable largely. Normal people were not made to comprehend statistics because they can't detach from the numbers and see the actual good within the work.
                The problems we face today are not unfixable; they've just been held back by elderly leadership that doesn't want to give up power and a general abdication to computers. Digital magazine previews and guaranteed free content plus massive paywalled content behind subscription fees is a winning model, but until people learn to accept smaller percentages of profit in industries that serve public goods they will never listen to this.
                More importantly, digital advertising has proven to be a scam in the surveillance mode especially. The better way to do it is a proper advertising model instead of giving money to Google or letting Google crawl your everything. There are some interesting policy proposals in this, but either way it has proven that ads in physical and linear media are still viable if they can get people back in those channels, and that they can do their old style of ads with their own digital platforms.

                Many publishers in America have tried magazines and anthologies and they didn't work, even by Marvel and DC. There aren't enough trains to make that shit work in this countries. We need more trains to save comics.

                People and the New York Post still sell, and if the Murdochs never got out of it it has to still be viable.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's viable for huge successful established magazines but comics magazines haven't exactly been great at it, even Mad and Heavy Metal are dead now. I guess they are trying to do Penthouse comix again but I don't expect much from them just like I don't expect much from any new magazine.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I think if you were able to poach at least one of the big Webtoons artists you could hit the ground running with a new concept, and that combined with a non scammy subscription digital model would easily keep you afloat. Vice is a relatively recent magazine, and they managed to stay competent for over a decade in an environment that wasn't much different from today.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Many publishers in America have tried magazines and anthologies and they didn't work, even by Marvel and DC. There aren't enough trains to make that shit work in this countries. We need more trains to save comics.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't think you watched the video.

                You need to fricking rewatch the video because the video says 400 thousand per month, and that's not even Perch saying it, that's whoever sent him the letter he's reading. The 40k is a number he (the letter sender) arrived at via the ridiculous process of dividing the 400k with the number of stories in the magazine (10) which makes no fricking sense at any level even if the original number were accurate. And there's no evidence that it is.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Nobody ever mentions how the pipeline for sucess on current manga is lifted by the anime adaptations. You barely see this move the needle in comics, in which capeshit had the biggest boom in film history.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                [...]
                [...]
                [...]
                The video points out that anything that isn't Shonen Jump barely moves any units per month. Even then, Shonen Jump is only 45k per story each month.

                Without the tankobon sales, Shonen Jump would be an Image level publisher. Everyone below Shonen Jump, IDW or worse.

                It's all in the video.

                That's not the number I'm seeing here.
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weekly_Sh%C5%8Dnen_Jump#Circulation_figures

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Those are three months worth of circulations. Divide it by three. Then divide it by the ten stories per magazine.

                45k if they were sold as floppies.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Those are three months worth of circulations.
                >Literally says weekly circulation

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                > during the timespan of April 1 to June 30, 2023
                >April 1st to June 30th
                Guess its true, mangagays can't read.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Literally confused the link in

                >We're talking floppies with SJ being the Japanese equivalent.


                This cope is getting old.
                Even then, manga magazine circulation figures are far FAR higher than 45k.
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_manga_magazines_by_circulation
                Even Josei manga magazines have higher circulation figures than your average floppy sales. with the link in

                [...]
                That's not the number I'm seeing here.
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weekly_Sh%C5%8Dnen_Jump#Circulation_figures

                >Says someone else can't read
                The fricking irony.
                This is why your industry is dead and will never recover.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No, they're three month figures.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Random image not present in the linked article
                I'll take this as your final cope.
                It's a sad one, but an expected one all the same.
                Please continue to stick your head in the sand and ignore your dying industry and pretend it's still doing well, no skin off my nose.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Doesn't check sources of figures on article
                You can be mad all you want. Manga is mid tier and if Perch is right, just a matter of Distribution more than anything.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You sent that letter you fricking moron and you pulled the numbers out of your fricking ass. You thought the three month measuring period meant it was three months' sales added together, instead of "we collected data over three months and averaged it out". The actual sources say Jump's sales PER ISSUE, which come out WEEKLY by ther way, not monthly, are 1.2-1.3 million. I repeat, PER. ISSUE.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Google translate is your friend

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, and google translate show you're fricking wrong. The three month period is the time frame they collected data in, and averaged it out. The sales number they show there, which you still try to wilfully misunderstand, is FOR EVERY WEEK during that period. Not for the whole period. For every WEEK in that period because the fricking thing comes out WEEKLY (it's in the name) and every issue sells over a million.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Anon doesn't know what average means
                Many such cases.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                They're AVERAGE PER ISSUE OVER A THREE MONTH PERIOD. EVERY ISSSUE INDIVIDUALLY SELLS THAT MUCH, ON AVERAGE. You fricking moron. They're not TOTAL sales, they're AVERAGE SALES PER ISSUE.

                So all the dividing the moron did was because he misunderstood what the fricking number even is.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I think your wrong but even if you were right doesn't 1.4 million over 3 months still come out to a little over a 100k a week? It would still be a top seller then.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                400k units a month would be good but Shonen Jump isn't a floppy. It's got ten different stories in it. Sell them individually and the sales numbers per story average out to 45k. Yeah One Piece would sell more but until that happens, averaging is the safest bet.

                That said, That's like saying Spider-man does 800k a month because of all the Spiderman spin-off books Marvel releases every month. That's the advantage of the magazine format, your big series supplements the less series thus high sales.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The frick would you sell them individually though? It's an anthology. It's like demanding 2000ad break up all it's stories into individual issues.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >400k units a month
                It's almost 6 million units per month you imbecile. The three month period just means that's the time frame they collected data from. It does not mean they sold 1.4 million total units in that time, it means EVERY individual issue sold an AVERAGE of 1.4 million units during those three months.

                >It's got ten different stories in it. Sell them individually -
                Stop. Just stop. Only reason you persist with this moronic scheme that even Perch didn't buy is because you want to artificially make the number appear smaller than it is. You might as well divide by page count and it would make equal amount of sense.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Do you guys remember how the last Comic to do 1 Million floppies sold was Star Wars (2015) 10 years ago?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Million, no. King Spawn #1 did 500k in sales and that's the last comic I can think of that did that much.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Then divide it by the ten stories per magazine.

                You do not do that. That makes absolutely no sense and Perch explicitly calls you out on that.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The difference is that high tier for manga is in the tens of millions, not tens of thousands.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Manga is also not a speculative asset in Japan, and the Shokugakukan group has the nuts to make a dozen different lines for each of their publushers. DC and Marvel only make the one type of comic in the one line, and at far slower a rate than the Japanese do.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The high tier seems much higher though. Shonen Jump is like a million every issue, and I don't think that's even counting their digital app thing.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I remember the time X-Men was canceled because its sales dipped momentarily below 200k
      it depends how much was printed

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You don't print a shit ton of copies unless you expect you can sell that many.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          so you were talking direct market. before you could sell 200k and still lose money

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wouldn't trust anything this guy says. He regularly lies about owning a comic store in the past but there's no record of it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Does he though, I mean he's corroborated info that other people in the industry have stated. Idk what kind of grift he would be pulling here?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Idk what kind of grift he would be pulling here?
        Clowning on Dan Slott
        Wait that's not a grift that's a public service that pisses off orbiters of his'
        Carry on

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You're Dan Slott, aren't you

          People have suspected "Lee" on the CBR forums of being an alt account for Slott. In light of that, it would mean based on these posts, Slott was accusing Perch of being Comicsgate which is itself hilarious because
          1. Comicsgate gets upset with Perch not validating their arguments
          2. People that know Perch IRL know he's not really CG (Geoff Thorne even said this on CBR's forums)
          3. In light of these CBR posts and the fact Slott posts on here, I could totally believe he'd say that a guy who actually interviewed a lot of comic creators IRL (which means they actually know who he is) is regularly "lying about owning a comic shop" just to avoid having people watch the videos to see some of Perch's jabs against Slott.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            doubt lee is slott.
            power is a vacuum and people get sucked into it even if it's someone like slott. and that does extend to stuff like sentence structure.
            it's a hardcore orbiter. cbr has no shortage of these.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Id say yes but i remember that weird ass circlejerk they had one time that made it really shady.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Do you want something more orbiter-y than a circlejerk?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >He regularly lies about owning a comic store in the past but there's no record of it.

      You know Perch isn't his real name, right?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I know his real name

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You're Dan Slott, aren't you

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Mangagay realizing he's a mid tier industry at best

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that Heroes Reborn: A series regarded as a massive failure that was hated still sold, at it's lowest, over 100k units.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's deeply depressing to go look at numbers for famous failures from the 80s and 90s and realize they still sell more than a lot of successful titles now.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Seriously. The best numbers of today are the cancellation zone of the past. How sad is that?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Comics and comic fans are stupid.
      >You have to read a preview magazine and order a comic in advance.
      >Otherwise you're at the mercy of a spare copies.
      >Ultimate Spider-Man #1 by Hickman sold really well.
      >LCS held on spare copies for loyal customers.
      >Randos came in and got mad there was no spare copies when ultimately they just wanted to flip the book.
      >Comic shop the next town over dumped all its Ultimate Spider-Man copies on social media at super high prices and then told their customers there was an order mistake so they will get a copy in the second or third printing.
      >People getting mad they don't have a first edition copy even though there are more printings coming and you'll still get to experience the story.
      Speculation is rife and crazy.

      People don't realise that the '90s crash really was the death of comics. 50% of stores or more closed and it killed it off as an American past time.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You'd think people would wise up to the speculator market after so many number ones, beanies babies and the like.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          People pay 100K for a picture of a monkey. Greed is eternal; you just have to make sure that greed isn't the only thing keeping a company moving.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >People pay 100K for a picture of a monkey.
            Not anymore they don't.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The speculator market helped crash things in the '90s, now it is part of what keeps thing ticking on in shops.
          >Many brilliant artists only do covers rather than interiors now.
          >Variant covers per units ordered by a shop (e.g. 1 in 100).
          >People buy a variant book even if the story is dosgshit.
          >Except the speculation can sometimes literally last a month now until prices crash.
          >Huge whale customers.
          Anecdotally I once saw someone buy £200 ($256) worth of garbage comics because they were variants.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >>Many brilliant artists only do covers rather than interiors now.
            Nothing depresses me more than seeing a gorgeous cover and then opening the book to get literal stick figures.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              No wonder so many comics are sold in plastic wrap these days. Don't want people peeking inside.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I'd prefer stick figures to some of the tumblr style art you see.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Public Service Announcement:
    The only time it's ever acceptable to discuss e-celebs on Cinemaphile is if the person in question is someone who actually makes Comics and Cartoons and not someone who commentates on them, and even then, all discussion must be restricted exclusively to their works and not their personal lives, political opinions or other off topic nonsense.
    Anything else must be reported as soon as possible and as much as possible for the greater good of this board.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Mangagay is afraid
      Don't want to talk about sales I see.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'll happily talk about sales. Jump sells 1.4 million issues every week, outselling the whole American comic industry by itself, and that doesn't even include tankoubons or the digital shit. Saying anything else is just you trying to magically wish the world into being something different than it is.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Conan had like 5 reprints

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And how many issues did each print consist of?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I think the first issue did somewhere in the neighborhood of 80-90k

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >manga this manga that
    Who cares lol? Japanese "people" still use fax machines and walkie-talkies instead of cellphones, they're very technologically backward, that's why they still buy their manga weeklies. Meanwhile, have you ever seen any zoomer in America actually read manga, like a tankobon? I doubt it.
    We all know that the American comic book industry is in deep crisis right now, that the old formats aren't selling as well as they did in the 1990s and 2000s, that both the Big 2 and smaller publishers still reject digital and don't believe in the concept of infinite canvas/webtunes, saying ridiculous shit like "it's not comic books" etc, and obviously they're completely wrong about it, but praising manga sales here is like praising North Korean newspapers for printing 30,000,000 every day vs. ~100k of NYTimes or WSJ printed every day, yes, North Koreans simply have nothing else to do in their free time but read their daily portion of Juche propaganda, and they also don't have any toilet paper, so buying newspapers is their only way to get something to wipe their asses with. Pretty much the same thing happens with all those Shonen Jump/Young Jump etc in Japan, salarymen just buy them to read while traveling to or from work because the only other thing they can do on the train is try to take a pic of a schoolgirl's pantsu, but it's illegal now, so they have to go with safer options like reading manga and fapping to big titty female characters.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's not that. We have people "interpreting" the words "average" and "issue" thus running into a roadblock as the source article is in Japanese.

      The irony being these are "circulation" numbers and not sales. If this stuff isn't actually bought, it gets reycled/burned. Unlike the Direct Market, this stuff is returnable.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's not really a roadblock, since there's literally no source for these other ridiculously low numbers than the one schizo who thinks you should divide an anthology book's sales by the number of stories in it just because. It's evident that that guy is desperate to pretend manga industry is a fraction of its actual size and is willing to do any mental backflip on stilts to make it happen. Meanwhile Wikipedia simply gives the actual number. You'd think someone would have noticed by now if they were 150 times too high.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It is an interpretation issue. Notice how "issue" here only mean the four months NOT individual issues of a given series. Even the "episode" becomes a translation question.

          https://www.j-magazine.or.jp/user/printed2/mag/252

          Wikipedia just copied the numbers here.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >It is an interpretation issue
            Yeah, in the sense that he's alone interpreting it wrong and everyone else in the world is interpreting it right. This isn't a "both sides have a point" situation, it's one guy who completely misunderstood the sales numbers he was reading and thought he had exposed some kind of secret.
            >Wikipedia just copied the numbers here.
            Have you considered the possibility that the weebs who would write the Shounen Jump wikipedia page might actually know Japanese? The schizo admits he doesn't.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The "Talk" page for the wikipedia articles themselves call the circulation info into question. Furthermore the "Annual Circulation" cited

              It is an interpretation issue. Notice how "issue" here only mean the four months NOT individual issues of a given series. Even the "episode" becomes a translation question.

              https://www.j-magazine.or.jp/user/printed2/mag/252

              Wikipedia just copied the numbers here.

              calculates a Mean Average using the quarterly numbers. If the numbers in each quarter were already calculated via a Mean Average, why would they be used to find an Annual Mean Average? That makes no sense.

              I believe this would make far more sense if it was in English but it isn't.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Meanwhile Wikipedia simply gives the actual number
          And it doesn't change anything. Manga magazines are cheap, and their main audience right now is 30+ year old man children who are less tech savvy than 80+ year old Americans, who don't know how to pirate, how to use an iPhone while commuting, and who think it's not okay to play Switch on the train, which is why they buy these magazines, it's the only reason these magazines still sell. Japanese zoomers don't read manga that much, they're probably even less interested in it than American zoomers are interested in comics.
          In the US, comics are losing popularity not (only) because of LGBTQIA+ propaganda in them, etc, but because there are so many better ways to spend your free time now, like playing video games, scrolling Tiktok or Insta, watching porn, etc, which are all much more interactive than comics and more engaging because you don't have to read 20+ pages of boring text in some bubbles. Nobody but nerds read books or comics anymore, people have such short attention spans that they can't focus on something that isn't interactive (i.e. doesn't give you control over things and characters) and requires too much time and effort. When you read a book, you have to constantly visualize what's happening in it, have to imagine what the characters look like, what their voices sound like, how they move, what does the environment look like etc. It's a little easier with comics because you see the characters and their world, but you don't hear their voices, and you still have to imagine what's going on inbetween panels and pages. When you play a video game or watch a movie/TV show, you don't have to imagine it all, it just happens and you just sit and watch it. In video games it's even more than that, as you control the characters themselves, what they do and what they don't do. Neither books nor comics can compete anymore with this stuff.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You're wrong. Homestuck got massive traffic at its peak, American teenagers all read hybrid books like Captain Underpants and Diary of a Wimpy Kid, to say nothing of how the books written prior to 2015 still sell, and all of those callout posts and text messages are based in text as well. Your conclusion is flawed when the most popular form of media to create is to make a podcast or a video essay, both of which would be far better and quicker to make if they were denser and in text. Our society is crying out for more books, but nobody's been willing to use their reach to bring it to them.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >American teenagers all read hybrid books like Captain Underpants and Diary of a Wimpy Kid
              those are not for teens

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Japanese zoomers don't read manga that much, they're probably even less interested in it than American zoomers are interested in comics.
            Source on that? Considering FRICKING japanese schools promote manga.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Unlike the Direct Market, this stuff is returnable.
        You can return stuff.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I hate all comicbook writers from the Big 2.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't this guy quitting Youtube soon?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So he's said.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don’t think people working in comics worry and follow sales like Cinemaphile. It’s weird!! And the threads are just b***hing, why the pretext

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This video actually surprised me, Perch actually did more research on the Japanese comics market than anyone else involved in Comicsgate.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      he lived in Japan for a while, I don't know what he did while he was there though

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Nope. Dude has no idea what e's talking about, as always.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Perch is never right about anything.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Can we have a single thread regarding comic book sales that isn't invaded by 'muh manga sells better'. Just once? It's literally meaningless and doesn't help shit to keep yammering on about manga sales and japanese sales. GN vs single issues is a thing and actually relevant. None capeshit euro comics are never mentioned, it's always capeshit vs manga tankobons or jump volumes like that's even a remotely fair fricking playing field.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Can we have a single thread regarding comic book sales that isn't invaded by 'muh manga sells better'.
      I try to avoid the manga topic myself, but ignoring the obvious boisterous trolling, it's relevant to the discussion. Like it or not, manga is a product peer to which comic sales should be compared. Whenever discussion veers towards novel business strategies, manga stands as an example of what can be done outside of the status quo.
      It doesn't do much good to discuss comics sales in a vacuum. Things are down, and there's not much more to that outside of tribalist company dick measuring contests.

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