It unironically improves Aliens' ending by not ending it on a happy good triumphs over evil note. Because Alien is a dark Lovecraftian horror film about a rape creature that bursts out of your chest. Kind of inappropriate to end it on a happily ever after note. It's like turning A Serbian Film into The Brady Bunch.
No, not at all. When it came out I only ever had watched the theatrical cut. I was of the same mind set as was. Then I saw the assembly cut the other day, since it was mentioned here very often in alien threads and it too change my whole opinion on the third. It was great, it finally made all sense. The only problem I had was thirsting Weaver banging the doc asa they dumped poor hicks in the oven, but that was in the og cut too and I never liked that part. I then tried the fourth again and no, there is no saving that on, I hate Pearlman ( only good performance was beauty and the beast IMO ) and the flick was just too goofy
There's an alternate script that was made into a comic book. It has space communists intercepting the ship, stealing an egg, and then getting slaughtered. While that's happening, some other space station gets their hands on things and starts fricking around. They end up basically recreating the black goo from Prometheus and it ends up turning people into drones. Cool shit but nonsensical.
So it could have been a lot worse and I'm just glad we got the cool dog alien in the foundry scenes.
the Gibson script was moronic, Bishop is incubated by a xeno? What? Plus putting Ripley in a coma and then sending her off in an escape pod before the action begins? That's even dumber than killing off Hicks and Newt
I've never understood how Ripley got infected. The facehugger opened her pod, fricked her, closed the pod, then went off and died? And there was another facehugger just chilling this whole time who survived the crash landing so it could infect a dog?
It's meant to be the queen can make 1 final egg as a survival method when she no longer has a sack.
It's a royal face hugger and can rape twice. One creating a queen and one creating a drone to protect it.
The queen was meant to have laid it on the shuttle before the fight. Then the egg hatches, acid causes the ship to spit out emergency section to protect the sleeping crew. The facehugger tried to get ripley in the pod but couldn't. When she gets thrown out of her pod and is in the water that's when it attacks her and how she ends up on the beach later.
The facehugger then lays in wait on the shuttle till later on it infects the cow/dog
Really it's the special edition that makes sense. The theatrical cut is just shit and makes zero sense
The assembly cut makes a dull film longer and thus more dull. It does nothing to change the fact that after Charles Dance is killed, the film shows samey interchangeable bald men running down samey interchangeable corridors over and over again, until we finally get the okay-ish ending with Ripley's suicide.
I always wondered why he clarified that he raped women. Isn't that just implied by the word 'rape'? Usually expounding on which type of rapist is needed only when it's a child rapist.
Great and very quotable movie. The hatred comes from unfairly dispatching of Hicks, Newt and Bishop. For me, I've come to love it's isolationist qualities. I had it on VHS and it was peak comfy, remember skipping school and just watching it all morning once.
Its okay, more boring than bad. Its one of those movies where I respect it on a technical level more than I actually like it, trying to roll back the franchise to its claustrophobic tense roots after the bombastic tone of aliens is a noble goal I definitely support, but the execution is goofy and contrived. They say the opposite of love isnt hate, its apathy, so in that sense Alien 3 is the worst in the series, since it didn't make me angry with how shit it was like some of the later ones, it just left me ambivalent.
yes it's that bad. in the original movie every character has his own personality and you don't know who's going to make it. in this one there are 20 bald guys who look exactly the same.
i guarantee you that half of the people in the cinema thought that Garlic was the one who lived.
It’s flawed in a lot of ways. The production didn’t help, but there are a lot of great performances and actors in it. Part of the problem is you have to watch the Assembly Cut which means the violent dog death/birth scene isn’t going to sync up with the funeral speech which is unironically pure kino. The ox scene doesn’t resonate the same, but the assembly cut gives you so much time with all the characters and flushes everything out more, plus the crash is better. The biggest hurdle is just how it can be a bit of a “frick you” to Aliens. If you watch it as a return to horror at its most nihilistic, you’ll appreciate what it’s going for. Again though, there’s a lot working against the movie.
Imo, a combination of the theatrical cut and the assembly cut would be the best version.
I find the dog scene more effective because there's the irony present of man's best friend giving birth to man's worst enemy.
I like it. I am of two minds tho. It's a good movie, but not a good sequel to Aliens.
It does have good atmosphere. Kind of like Ripley being at the end of her rope. No one seems to care too much. The story feels smaller.
Reminds me of JP3. The hype was gone but they kept going.
>zero tension because ripley can just waltz up to the stupid looking creature >opportunity for tense social dynamics, instantly drop that because the foreman is killed infront of everyone and they all pretty much but ripley in charge instantly after >zero coherent sense of space with a finale that relies on it- I can’t tell how successfully the plan is going because I don’t understand where anything is in relation to anything else, so the crux of the film becomes dull >basically no likeable characters since they’re all rapists and murderers >set up relationship with ripley and doctor, is pointless and ends in a shit jump scare
90% of the movie is meandering and boring with zero tension. Nothing really develops across it. And yeah, a franchise needs continuity to feel like a consistent and compelling world, and doing a TLJ by instantly throwing away the conclusion to the previous film (not for the sake of le nihilism horror as people cope, but because of lazy writing- we need ripley back and don’t know what to do with all these other characters, let’s just kill them lol- even the robot who you reintroduce just says kill me lol without doing anything interesting) for the sake of a blank slate. And then a weirdly pointless self sacrifice that comes out of nowhere and isn’t properly built up to- the company men show up, and within 30 seconds she’s throwing herself into lava. You even get a prisoner pointless hitting the ceo on the head even though it accomplishes literally nothing but adding a scene where he explodes in blood squibs. A horror movie can have a bleak tone, but it should also have a release of tension at the end, it’s the entire ghost train thrill ride narrative structure these movies rely on. I should feel like I can breathe again when the credits roll. I don’t get that with this, it’s boring crap, and then a slow motion boring out of nowhere and narratively pointless self sacrifice which just leaves me feeling indifferent
3 is great in many ways, especially thematically. It’s just very messy narratively, and you can thank the studio for that. There’s no one perfect cut of the movie. The effects are very inconsistent. But it has great shots, a lot of great ideas, great actors/acting, the best acting of Sigourney’s whole career, the best score in the Alien series hands down too. For all its failures it also reminds me of a time when they were willing to take big risks with valuable IPs. Most importantly bald Ripley is hot as frick.
>It’s just very messy narratively, and you can thank the studio for that. There’s no one perfect cut of the movie
I remember showing my dad a different cut of the movie on one of the DVDs. He didn't know about their being other versions. He had no idea what the frick was going on as they had suddenly trapped the alien successfully and stuff. Was quite funny
No such thing as a bad Alien movie. Covenant is the worst and it's because it's kind of bland and its identity is mixed between the pretentious arthouse sci-fi movie where a robot with a God complex quotes Ozymandias and Paradise Lost in the vein of Prometheus like Ridley actually wanted to make and a very conventional and uninspired Alien movie the studios thought would bank. Even Covenant is nothing like The Predator, which is genuinely just a bad movie. A bad Predator, action, and comedy movie.
>First-time director David Fincher disowned the film, stating in an interview with the Guardian: "I had to work on it for two years, got fired off it three times and I had to fight for every single thing. No one hated it more than me; to this day, no one hates it more than me". He cited constant studio interference during production, and actually walked out when the studio rejected his initial cut and ordered extensive re-shoots. He was not involved in the final cut, but his initial rough cut later became the basis for the 'Assembly Cut', a longer version of the movie released on DVD in 2003, and on Blu-ray in 2010. Although Fincher was asked to work on this Assembly Cut, he considered it but eventually decided against it, giving supervising producer Charles de Lauzirika his blessing as long as it was not called a 'Director's cut'. With regards to the new version itself, he stated that he has no comments on it, as he has never seen it.
>Director David Fincher later stated that the constant studio interference made the film stray so far from his vision, that the only way to make a 'director's cut' would be to burn the entire negative, and start over. He also admitted that when the 1992 L.A. riots started to get close to the lab where the film's negatives had been developed and stored, he hoped that the entire building would burn to the ground, and the film with it.
I don't think so because he seethes about the movie to this day and doesn't want to talk about it really. When asked, he just shits on it and also says that it made him very aware of how the studio system works (basically he learned how to deal with the you know who).
This is maybe the most he has said about the story
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This interview has maybe most of the new information about the movie and some Fincher insight. Pickett is very honest and straightfoward about what a shit show it was and he is not tied to Hollywood so he is not pussyfooting around and being political. However he also is kind of a smug c**t (what can you except from a guy who wrote Sideways) and at times he gets sidetracked too much by other stuff than Alien 3. But it is a decent listen and there definitely is some stuff that he revealed about the production for the first time to the public.
personally I thought it was pretty boring, I'm also one of those autists who hates that they ruined 2's ending
everyone has hated that forever and always will, but alien3 is not a bad movie
It unironically improves Aliens' ending by not ending it on a happy good triumphs over evil note. Because Alien is a dark Lovecraftian horror film about a rape creature that bursts out of your chest. Kind of inappropriate to end it on a happily ever after note. It's like turning A Serbian Film into The Brady Bunch.
>me rewatching Alien knowing that Ripley dies in the 3rd one
Yeeeees you won't get away for long!!! How dark and twisted, like my soul >:)
No, not at all. When it came out I only ever had watched the theatrical cut. I was of the same mind set as was. Then I saw the assembly cut the other day, since it was mentioned here very often in alien threads and it too change my whole opinion on the third. It was great, it finally made all sense. The only problem I had was thirsting Weaver banging the doc asa they dumped poor hicks in the oven, but that was in the og cut too and I never liked that part. I then tried the fourth again and no, there is no saving that on, I hate Pearlman ( only good performance was beauty and the beast IMO ) and the flick was just too goofy
Alien > Alien 3 assembly cut >> Aliens > Resurrection >>>>>>>> modern garbage installations
Where would you rank Isolation?
Not him but probably after Alien
Its a good experience if you just ignore the moronic shit about the main character being Ripleys daughter etc
Ripley was said to have a daughter going back to Aliens, the game didn't invent her
>Alien^3
>n^3
Why?
looks neat
There's an alternate script that was made into a comic book. It has space communists intercepting the ship, stealing an egg, and then getting slaughtered. While that's happening, some other space station gets their hands on things and starts fricking around. They end up basically recreating the black goo from Prometheus and it ends up turning people into drones. Cool shit but nonsensical.
So it could have been a lot worse and I'm just glad we got the cool dog alien in the foundry scenes.
the Gibson script was moronic, Bishop is incubated by a xeno? What? Plus putting Ripley in a coma and then sending her off in an escape pod before the action begins? That's even dumber than killing off Hicks and Newt
>I'm just glad we got the cool dog alien in the foundry scenes.
You mean ox?
I've never understood how Ripley got infected. The facehugger opened her pod, fricked her, closed the pod, then went off and died? And there was another facehugger just chilling this whole time who survived the crash landing so it could infect a dog?
Yeah it makes no sense
I thought that it was the se facehugger that got Ripley that went on to get the dog too. Which also makes no sense
It's meant to be the queen can make 1 final egg as a survival method when she no longer has a sack.
It's a royal face hugger and can rape twice. One creating a queen and one creating a drone to protect it.
The queen was meant to have laid it on the shuttle before the fight. Then the egg hatches, acid causes the ship to spit out emergency section to protect the sleeping crew. The facehugger tried to get ripley in the pod but couldn't. When she gets thrown out of her pod and is in the water that's when it attacks her and how she ends up on the beach later.
The facehugger then lays in wait on the shuttle till later on it infects the cow/dog
Really it's the special edition that makes sense. The theatrical cut is just shit and makes zero sense
I like it better than Aliens.
I thought the OP was the movie
DNA at first.
The assembly cut brings it to the second best one in the series, the theatrical cut puts it at #4.
The assembly cut makes a dull film longer and thus more dull. It does nothing to change the fact that after Charles Dance is killed, the film shows samey interchangeable bald men running down samey interchangeable corridors over and over again, until we finally get the okay-ish ending with Ripley's suicide.
Aliens > alien 3 assembly > alien resurrection > alien 3 theatrical > alien > alien covenant > prometheus
I like it, though I also didn't care that Newt and Hicks died. Also the Assembly Cut is objectively worse.
Yes, but still better than anything that came after it.
Resurrection is fun stop being miserable
Not at all.
yes, even the director said so
>The set up is a space prison with horny men
Yea im thinking kino
It's great.
I always wondered why he clarified that he raped women. Isn't that just implied by the word 'rape'? Usually expounding on which type of rapist is needed only when it's a child rapist.
he's effecitlvey saying "we don't like your kind here".
There are different types of rape for every type of rape enjoyers.
Great and very quotable movie. The hatred comes from unfairly dispatching of Hicks, Newt and Bishop. For me, I've come to love it's isolationist qualities. I had it on VHS and it was peak comfy, remember skipping school and just watching it all morning once.
>The hatred comes from unfairly dispatching of Hicks, Newt and Bishop
We do see Bishop alive, briefly.
I know Anon, he still didn't live tho did he? Lol. The novel was pretty good too.
>webm
who was in the wrong here?
Ripley kept baiting them and being a c**t.
>bring me my rape goggles
Its okay, more boring than bad. Its one of those movies where I respect it on a technical level more than I actually like it, trying to roll back the franchise to its claustrophobic tense roots after the bombastic tone of aliens is a noble goal I definitely support, but the execution is goofy and contrived. They say the opposite of love isnt hate, its apathy, so in that sense Alien 3 is the worst in the series, since it didn't make me angry with how shit it was like some of the later ones, it just left me ambivalent.
yes it's that bad. in the original movie every character has his own personality and you don't know who's going to make it. in this one there are 20 bald guys who look exactly the same.
i guarantee you that half of the people in the cinema thought that Garlic was the one who lived.
Yeah but the identical bald guys are British thespian stage actors who ham it up
This is what makes it worth watching, as well as Weaver.
It’s flawed in a lot of ways. The production didn’t help, but there are a lot of great performances and actors in it. Part of the problem is you have to watch the Assembly Cut which means the violent dog death/birth scene isn’t going to sync up with the funeral speech which is unironically pure kino. The ox scene doesn’t resonate the same, but the assembly cut gives you so much time with all the characters and flushes everything out more, plus the crash is better. The biggest hurdle is just how it can be a bit of a “frick you” to Aliens. If you watch it as a return to horror at its most nihilistic, you’ll appreciate what it’s going for. Again though, there’s a lot working against the movie.
I liked the setting it wasn't just space marines and colonists like the subsequent sequels it made the universe seem richer
I watched the assembly cut some time ago and really liked it.
It's not great.
Why was there never an Alien 2?
What do you mean?
boring
tbh the only exciting ones are Aliens and AVP2
>Is it really that bad?
It's awful, that Fincher guy isn't going anywhere in Hollywood
It has some flaws but it also contains the best xenomorph birth sequence from all of the movies, esp. the assembly cut
Imo, a combination of the theatrical cut and the assembly cut would be the best version.
I find the dog scene more effective because there's the irony present of man's best friend giving birth to man's worst enemy.
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I prefer the unhinged novel
The entire series has some of the best novelizations out there. Got me into Alan Dean Foster.
Wasn't too impressed by how censored the Aliens novel was, but otherwise I agree.
What was censored about it?
you didn't notice that all the bad words were removed and replaced by gosh darn gee willikers bullshit?
I was 10 at the time, so no.
It's pretty jarring to watch the F-bomb laden movie and then in the book read Hudson saying things like "We're toast man! They're gonna get us!"
>tfw no PG-13 cut of Aliens
kino is being denied from us
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>once I even called him.. airhead
Ok, that's taking it TOO far, Dick
old man Jones was something of a rebel in his youth
>Harlots, disperse!
Are novelizations still a thing?
official script books with pictures are the new hotness
I think the guy did novels for all of them.. I remember reading them after playing Alien isolation (which was awesome)
It was good. But people think of you say a movie is good, that you mean it’s the best film ever made. I enjoyed it and resurrection. Long live Ripley
No but it's not good either. Compared to Resurrection that came right after it's a fricking masterpiece.
I like it. I am of two minds tho. It's a good movie, but not a good sequel to Aliens.
It does have good atmosphere. Kind of like Ripley being at the end of her rope. No one seems to care too much. The story feels smaller.
Reminds me of JP3. The hype was gone but they kept going.
>zero tension because ripley can just waltz up to the stupid looking creature
>opportunity for tense social dynamics, instantly drop that because the foreman is killed infront of everyone and they all pretty much but ripley in charge instantly after
>zero coherent sense of space with a finale that relies on it- I can’t tell how successfully the plan is going because I don’t understand where anything is in relation to anything else, so the crux of the film becomes dull
>basically no likeable characters since they’re all rapists and murderers
>set up relationship with ripley and doctor, is pointless and ends in a shit jump scare
90% of the movie is meandering and boring with zero tension. Nothing really develops across it. And yeah, a franchise needs continuity to feel like a consistent and compelling world, and doing a TLJ by instantly throwing away the conclusion to the previous film (not for the sake of le nihilism horror as people cope, but because of lazy writing- we need ripley back and don’t know what to do with all these other characters, let’s just kill them lol- even the robot who you reintroduce just says kill me lol without doing anything interesting) for the sake of a blank slate. And then a weirdly pointless self sacrifice that comes out of nowhere and isn’t properly built up to- the company men show up, and within 30 seconds she’s throwing herself into lava. You even get a prisoner pointless hitting the ceo on the head even though it accomplishes literally nothing but adding a scene where he explodes in blood squibs. A horror movie can have a bleak tone, but it should also have a release of tension at the end, it’s the entire ghost train thrill ride narrative structure these movies rely on. I should feel like I can breathe again when the credits roll. I don’t get that with this, it’s boring crap, and then a slow motion boring out of nowhere and narratively pointless self sacrifice which just leaves me feeling indifferent
Good post.
3 is great in many ways, especially thematically. It’s just very messy narratively, and you can thank the studio for that. There’s no one perfect cut of the movie. The effects are very inconsistent. But it has great shots, a lot of great ideas, great actors/acting, the best acting of Sigourney’s whole career, the best score in the Alien series hands down too. For all its failures it also reminds me of a time when they were willing to take big risks with valuable IPs. Most importantly bald Ripley is hot as frick.
>It’s just very messy narratively, and you can thank the studio for that. There’s no one perfect cut of the movie
I remember showing my dad a different cut of the movie on one of the DVDs. He didn't know about their being other versions. He had no idea what the frick was going on as they had suddenly trapped the alien successfully and stuff. Was quite funny
It's a Skinny Puppy music video but in movie form. I love it
Even the fourth one wasn't that bad.
I really liked it and don't think it deserves all the shit it gets.
It should've had the sexy girl xeno
It's comfy and quite good, and I'm a contriarian who hates everything.
It's very contrarian to like a movie everyone else hates.
One of the most miserable movies I have ever seen, it was clear that this movies production was a mess
maybe you should watch it, fricking idiot.
>Alien by Ridley Scott
>Alien Ridley
>Ellen Ripley
Fricking hack
No such thing as a bad Alien movie. Covenant is the worst and it's because it's kind of bland and its identity is mixed between the pretentious arthouse sci-fi movie where a robot with a God complex quotes Ozymandias and Paradise Lost in the vein of Prometheus like Ridley actually wanted to make and a very conventional and uninspired Alien movie the studios thought would bank. Even Covenant is nothing like The Predator, which is genuinely just a bad movie. A bad Predator, action, and comedy movie.
I really liked it, more than Aliens even. The assembly cut anyways.
>First-time director David Fincher disowned the film, stating in an interview with the Guardian: "I had to work on it for two years, got fired off it three times and I had to fight for every single thing. No one hated it more than me; to this day, no one hates it more than me". He cited constant studio interference during production, and actually walked out when the studio rejected his initial cut and ordered extensive re-shoots. He was not involved in the final cut, but his initial rough cut later became the basis for the 'Assembly Cut', a longer version of the movie released on DVD in 2003, and on Blu-ray in 2010. Although Fincher was asked to work on this Assembly Cut, he considered it but eventually decided against it, giving supervising producer Charles de Lauzirika his blessing as long as it was not called a 'Director's cut'. With regards to the new version itself, he stated that he has no comments on it, as he has never seen it.
>Director David Fincher later stated that the constant studio interference made the film stray so far from his vision, that the only way to make a 'director's cut' would be to burn the entire negative, and start over. He also admitted that when the 1992 L.A. riots started to get close to the lab where the film's negatives had been developed and stored, he hoped that the entire building would burn to the ground, and the film with it.
Has there ever been an interview by him that more vividly portrays his original vision?
I don't think so because he seethes about the movie to this day and doesn't want to talk about it really. When asked, he just shits on it and also says that it made him very aware of how the studio system works (basically he learned how to deal with the you know who).
This is maybe the most he has said about the story
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This interview has maybe most of the new information about the movie and some Fincher insight. Pickett is very honest and straightfoward about what a shit show it was and he is not tied to Hollywood so he is not pussyfooting around and being political. However he also is kind of a smug c**t (what can you except from a guy who wrote Sideways) and at times he gets sidetracked too much by other stuff than Alien 3. But it is a decent listen and there definitely is some stuff that he revealed about the production for the first time to the public.