Is Joker going to become a Batman movie series, and if so how is Warner gonna have three concurrent Batmen running around?
The title of Joker 2 is Folie à deux, meaning “delusion or mental illness shared by two people in close association.”
There are three candidates fans propose
1. Second copycat Joker
2. Harley Quinn
3. Batman
Second copycat Joker is really unlikely. The only reason people say that is because of the Gotham show, the comic Three Jokers, and because Willem Defoe floated it as something he’d like to do. No offense to him, he’s a great actor with an impressive career, but I doubt Phillips or Phoenix are going “oh man, what does Willem Defoe want to do? We better get Willem Defoe in on this!” Todd Philips has never expressed anything remotely resembling this idea. Batman or Harley Quinn are both a billion times more likely
I doubt it’s Harley just because Todd Philips seems to be more of an old school kind of guy. Joker is based on The Killing Joke, The Dark Knight Returns, and 70s/early 80s drama films. I can’t imagine him thinking “alright, now all the Joker needs is his spunky clown girlfriend from the 90s Saturday morning Batman cartoon.” Especially because his comic sources both deal a lot with Joker/Batman relationship, and Joker (2019) made a big deal out of Bruce’s first meeting with him, and had the Batman origin.
Out of the three possibilities, the only person Todd Philips has ever mentioned, is Batman. Back before the sequel was announced, and it was probable Joker would be a standalone, he said “what I would like to see someone tackle is what Batman looks like from that Gotham. I'm not saying I'm going to do that.“
It doesn’t mean the next movie is gonna be a punchy superhero action film where Arthur flies his Jokercopter, but yeah it’ll probably have Batman.
So, my initial question stands.
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They are introducing Harley or a faux proto version of Harley in name only or without
Casting call is out there and the names floating around are Gaga, anna taylor joy, or emma stone
Margot Robbie has been approached but she is likely busy and a longshot for consideration
The role is likely to be a oscar contender for female lead so they are commanding top talent
No idea why people think any of the comics canon has any merit to these movies Joker is not Arthur Fleck nor is Bruce Wayne so much younger than Joker
Those rumors are all bunk btw. 99% of Hollywood rumors are made up
It's just hard for me to imagine a take on Mad Love working in this world. This Joker isn't the the charming, guileful kind of psychopath. It's hard to imagine somebody so socially autistic successfully manipulating a woman into being infatuated with him.
Also, the whole"I love him because he's damaged/look at out dark, twisted love" thing seems to work better in a traditional melodramatic dark fantasy comic booky universe than something trying to go for the gritty urban realism '70s crime vibe.
It is funny how Phillips and Reeves made their movies independently of each other and in different universes, which The Batman being in production so long that the story was done before Joker even came out, and yet the films seem to share a DNA. They are both love letters to '70s crime movies. They both play with class conflict and the idea that the Waynes maybe weren't so great. They both play with the theme of other people interpreting your actions in a way that suits their own personal narratives (Gothamites seeing The Joker as a revolutionary figure when he's just a mentally ill guy who wants attention; The Riddler seeing Batman as in solidarity with The Riddler's own views). The major difference is that Joker is a pretty cynical film that ends on a "frick people, you don't owe them shit" note as the protagonist indulges and amplifies his worst traits, and The Batman is an optimistic film that ends with the hero wanting to rise above his flaws. The Batman also doesn't go as far in trying to be as "raw" as Taxi Driver, and is content to retain some of the more romanticist elements of Batman's world.
Seeing as Keoghan Joker doesn't even seem interesting, it almost makes me wish that Joker 2019 and The Batman 2022 were in the same universe instead. Joaqer & Battinson seem to have had similar experienxes, but their views of personal responsibility made them go different ways. It would add more tension to their rivalry than Joker just being a freak.
i didn't watch the batman so i have no idea what you're talking about. The Joker does better standalone imo bc the ending didn't set itself up for a sequel. the only way they can go from here is introducing arthur to bats and I have no idea how that would even work given that arthur would be almost elderly by that time
The rumors are being manufactured by WB in order to make people seem surprised when they cast Rooney Mara
They’re not having Harley Quinn at all
You expect them to put Joaquin in old-age makeup and have a 60-year old Joker fighting Batman?
Likelihood ranking. 1 is most likely, 4 is least likely
1. Neither Batman nor Harley appear
2. Batman appears, Harley doesn’t
3. Batman and Harley appear
4. Harley appears, Batman doesn’t
When's the last time a movie's sequel name was chosen simply because it sounded cool?
almost every time, what kind of question is that? Otherwise they wouldn’t be all named “resurrection”
A name as specific as Madness of Two directly implies that there is more than one main character, doofus
In case of 1, who do you think it will appear? Will it be some obscure character or a Joker/Fleck copycat like OP mentioned?
I should have clarified a bit, Bruce Wayne will appear no matter what. The question is will it be as Batman, or just wealthy private citizen Bruce Wayne?
And what info do you have that confirms the sequel is set 20 years after the original
Did you mean to respond to someone else? I never claimed anything of the sort
You claim Bruce Wayne will appear as an adult, implying 20 years have passed
That would honestly be great.
>Margot Robbie
I hope not.
I'd dig a "Harley" that's more Punchline in character
>Arthur finding someone who adores him and appreciates his existence
>Harley romanticizing the Joker as a mythical gigachad anarchist
Story will end with them breaking down as they realize the other side is actually pathetic.
it's 100% gonna be about bats, but the movie isn't going to be anywhere near as good as the first thanks to them ruining the standalone meta so why even bother
I'd prefer it if they left Joker alone but if I had to make a sequel I'd focus on adult Bruce and rip off Aronofsky's Year One script
Arthur is just locked up if he's still alive
Probably like how this Joker is a bit grittier and more grounded, we'll probably get Batman without him being Batman outright. A traumatized Bruce Wayne, probably now a teen, going around in hockey gear with improvised weapons trying his hardest to stop criminal activity and take down the Joker.
Post yfw it’s Punchline
I goddamn hope they don’t try Harley, she’s just not going to work in a gritty 70’s atmosphere. Joker was good exactly because it was willing to tell a comic story without being a typical comic movie, but if they make the mistake of taking a step towards one, it’s gonna be garbage. Not that I would have high hopes for a sequel either way, Joker was one of those movies that doesn’t really seem like it could or would need to go anywhere with a sequel, the first one worked so well as a self-contained story with no major sequel hooks.
Musical, Gaga as Harley https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/joker-2-lady-gaga-joaquin-phoenix-todd-phillips-in-musical-1235154135/
>sources say
Yes?
So it’s made up, it’s rubbish
No, that's not what it means. That's not how it works.
Yes it is. “Sources say” = “I made it up”
It's like a pitch from the Crazy Days and Nights Entertainment Lawyer
It's coming from the hollywood reporter dumbfrick lmao you clearly have no idea how any of this works.
And where are they getting it?
Sources.
I can't tell if you're trolling but when THR, Deadline, or Variety puts out a story like this the sources are coming directly from the studio.
“Sources say” = “I made it up”
You really think Studios will disclose every real detail about their film to a would-be leaker?
it's a two-face movie, screencap this
Would honestly be cool and make sense. Joker’s portrayal, the whole modern Joker concept, is based on The Dark Knight. In that movie he is responsible for Two Face
also it's wish fulfillment because if I'm being honest I've always been iffy on Two-Face's coin flipping as a gimmick. I still like the character, and the coin works for him as a villain, but I've never been sold on why he does it, that part of his origin.
I think he needs the Joker treatment more than any other Batman villain.
It's a prequel to The Batman. It explains why Barry Kehogan is this dude almost a decade younger than Bruce, and how Batman would face off against a Joker who's far older than him realistically, old Joker inspires nuJoker to continue his work.
Sneedchuck this now.