Can he even take on any of the Avengers at this point? Because he jobbed out to a normal knife and socialist ants.
Dr. Strange could just stand 30 feet away and cast a spell that allows him to play with Kang's internal organs. Spider-Man and Bucky have super strength, speed, and dexterity and Kang without his fricked time machine was at best equal to Scott Lang who lost his Ant suit's abilities at that point.
What's the point of a Kang Dynasty or a Secret Wars when the villain does less than Hawkeye?
No, never was and, with the actor going to court, never will be. If Marvel actually planned their shit out, maybe they could have fooled people into thinking their shit was worth anything for a few years longer.
Endgame really was the Endgame. All the sludge they're releasing now is just recycled and half-assed stories or agenda-based pandering weighed down by massive character assassination and much lamer/unearned endings. Not to mention much more noticeably terrible effects.
We're passed Capeshit fatigue. I'm done.
Oh look, the glavset-massaged drone is sharing his insights.
Are all the celebrities and journalists who have turned against the MCU Russian bots too?
based, frick this gay shit. its death was long overdue
>Ugh... the MCU is such utter fricking shit nowadays
>BUT ENDGAME WAS GOOD
Endgame sucked harder than your mom but quality aside it was, if nothing else, an ending.
>actor
Thats a 80 IQ buffoon.
You can pretend all his heavy-duty Avenger-crunching gear is in his other pants, and the tech he used in this movie is just something he cobbled together using the very limited resources
Is tech really all that carries him? Because even Peter and his fat Asian friend were able to hack into the Spider-Man which is similar enough to the modern Iron Man tech that became basically unstoppable nanotech by the end of the Infinity Saga.
*meant to say the Spider-Man suit
Yes. He's a glorified psychopathic science adventurer who wants to explore and LARP across the time stream. His enmity with the Avengers is a combination of them being fun to fight and resentment that they wouldn't play ball
>that became basically unstoppable nanotech by the end of the Infinity Saga.
Okay but Kang is from the future and is supposed to be the biggest most superest evil supergenius ever to the point that all of his variants were inventing time travel and having a war across the multiverse. He probably has a button on his left asscheek that tells nanobots to explode or whatever.
Let's be honest they probably just social engineered their way into the homecoming suit because Tony left the root password as "MaysFatAss" or something.
>black guy named Kang
Man, he must have been shitposted to hell and back here when his movie first came out.
There's literally an army of him chanting in an arena at the end of Ant-Man 3 so pretty much.
Kang has already been voiced by a black VA before in EMH.
And it was good then.
He also actually did stuff in EMH.
Even fricking Agatha Harkness posed a bigger threat.
Remember that time Spider-Man was a racist frog employee?
The good times.
The 2000s were a dark time for teenage boy hair.
Peter was in the wrong here btw
Which is on-brand for him. Peter SHOULD be a dick from time to time. It makes him flawed, but human.
Actually looks very cute here, I miss this style.
More than avengers, he would be the fitting enemy for the AVERAGES
That's not even a pun.
That's how he is in the comics too. They act like he's an event villain then Hulk and Thor solo him.
Learn the difference between "hero thwarts the villains schemes solo" and "hero physically defeats the villain solo". It's an important difference, learn it, for the love of God.
Kang's cool but he's not a Thanos where you need like 12 movies to set up the Guantlet. In EMH he basically just shows up out of nowhere and bam that's all you needed. Bad guy from future.
Here is how they should have done Kang in the MCU: have him be mentioned, but not shown, during Multiverse stuff going on in other movies. Like, during the sequence in Strange 2 where Strange and America are passing through a bunch of dimensions, you can see multiple different dimensions that seem to have the same statues and iconography and uniforms in them, and one world that is clearly in the middle of a massive war. Don't call it out, don't draw attention to it, just some weird details that are there for people to notice and the plot moves on because this isn't ABOUT Kang.
Dropping details over time in the margins that makes it clear that there is something going on in the multiverse, a single civilization that is spreading from universe to universe like a plague, ruled by Kang the Conqueror. Just one. Just him. No fricking council of ricks shit, that is the death of tension and stakes.
Then you can still do Loki, but have the purpose of the sacred timeline be to keep Conqueror-Kang out. The timeline is policed to not just ensure the TVA exists and everything sticks to the script, but to prevent interference from other timelines. Kang mostly executes his variants for being a threat, but this Kang managed to carve out a safe haven for himself with his sacred timeline. A safe haven that Loki ruins.
With this setup Kang is established as being a major threat long before he actually appears in the form of his visible spread across the multiverse, and there is only one of him so he never is treated as a chump. The TVA, similarly, establishes how powerful Kang the conqueror must be for He Who Remains to have fled rather than fought him directly: if the TVA can just turn off magic and infinity stones, Kang the Conqueror probably can too. So you can make Kang's gimmick be that part of what makes him so dangerous isn't just that he is a powerful foe, but one that can deny the heroes access to their powers.
Hell, that opens up a way to do another "Thanos wins at the end of Infinity War" moment for Kang.
>Avengers: Come the Conqueror or something
>Kang spends the movie trying to conquer the past with his future tech, getting fought back by the Avengers
>during the big finale, they put everything into one major attack on Kang, struggling hard but manage to have him on the brink of defeat
>at the last moment, Kang points out he can time travel and warps back to before the fight
>counter ambushes them and fights them off
>They reach a stalemate, until Kang points out two things
>A, this was just a scouting force to test modern Earth's defense, and he's mildly disappointed as suddenly a bunch of portals open, like Endgame but it's Kang's army
>B, he can do this as he presses a device on his belt, immediately shutting off any and all local non- Kang tech and magic, which he could have done literally any time during the movie
>cue the Avengers getting stomped and captured, maybe one person manages to escape, let's say Spider-Man because his natural powers and web shooters weren't affected
>Kang isn't worried as his army continues flooding in through the portals
>end, credits, and a teaser for the Kang Dynasty.
Yep. I think that what you do, then, is that you build your new 'core team' around some lynchpin characters that are the crux in the fight against Kang because they have some of the few things that he can't simply turn off. He has to actually fight them at full power.
The mages are ungodly strong, but magic can be turned off. This fricks with asgardians as well. And if Infinity Stones can be reduced to paperweights, this likely affects people with infinity stone based powers like Carol as well. After having multiple movies setting up Carol as the single strongest hero in the universe, Kang just absolutely destroying her would be a massive 'oh shit' moment.
As for people with powers who would still be in play... presumably advanced enough tech is still a threat to him. Probably the biggest threat, because everything that makes Kang is his tech.
Pym Particles being something he can't turn off would also make sense, but we don't want to hinge ANOTHER big finale movie on Ant Man based time travel.
Not that they are in play yet, but it would be kind of a neat detail if the 'anti-mutant' collars are actually a Kang tech invention. It would explain why they work on fricking everything, which was always kind of a hard swallow considering how much more advanced than everything else in the setting it needs to be in order to work. Kang using time travel of foster the entire mutant racism problem in order to weaken worlds that might otherwise have the strength to oppose him by creating internal division would actually be a neat idea to explore, but one that would unfortunately sort of cheapen the X-men by doing so.
I'd imagine he makes a pre-emptive strike to take out Ant-Man and Pym, presumably knowing his they stopped Thanos and not daring to let them do that to him.
Assuming this is a world where antman 3 didn't happen.
God EMH Kang was so fricking good. Kickstarted my interest in the character just in time for me to be angry at his treatment in the MCU.
Are you me?
Frick, they really should bring back EMH like how they're bringing back X:TAS.
Yeah, Kang is a one movie kind of guy.
Avengers should have been setting up Nefaria, Korvac or Molecule Man.
>you need like 12 movies to set up the Guantlet.
Clearly you dont because he gets most of the stones in one movie
Five of the stones had a movie to establish their power, with only the Soul stone being introduced in Infinity War (it should've been Clint who died in Endgame)
If Ant-Man can melee him without using size alterations, shit, Thor should be able to effortlessly punch through his chest.
This has been shown as a Batman villain.
We really needed more one off villains for the avengers to fight in movies. Imagine if instead of rushing to Civil War Kang was avengers 3. Then not only would we not have the team break up sooner than they assembled but we'd also have a bunch of time travel shit laying around for their moronic time heist later on.
No because he's not thanos, and thanos wasn't even that remarkable beyond his malthus obsession and coming around marvel still knew what they were doing. Even ego and high evolutionary were more compelling villains
The threat of Kang in the MCU has never been one single Kang individually, it's the threat of an entire multiverse of Kangs all acting together. Oh wow, you killed one Kang, there's an infinite more of them, and now they know you're a threat and can pull some random shit from another universe to frick your day.
This doesn't mean they'll actually pull it off, but the idea's there. If anything it should be a good contrast from Thanos because Thanos himself with the stones was the biggest threat by far, with his army mostly being jobbers. With Kang any individual one of them is a jobber, but together they're a major threat.
>The threat of Kang in the MCU has never been one single Kang individually, it's the threat of an entire multiverse of Kangs all acting together. Oh wow, you killed one Kang, there's an infinite more of them, and now they know you're a threat and can pull some random shit from another universe to frick your day.
The problem is that is a boring fricking story and is functionally no different than say an organization of dudes wearing the same outfit.
In the comics? He is very strong being able to erase anybody he wants at any point. His actions in the past, while failures, only supports his control over the future. A villain that uses manipulation over force. Since he is directly related to Dr.Doom, he's basically Dr.doom but with time travel.
>he's basically Dr.doom but with time travel.
You fricking secondary, Doctor Doom is Dr. Doom with time travel. His very first fricking appearance introduces his fricking time machine he uses to have that blasted Richards and associates steal Blackbeard's treasure.
Dr.Doom doesn't require time travel to work. Kang does.
Kang is using a variation of the time machine Doom invented millennia earlier
Why do people make posts like this? Doom has clowned in him multiple times.
Doom and Kang are usually allies, Kang's one of Doom's few actual friends. The one time they actually directly fight each other happened in a Doctor Doom comic so of course he won.
If the MCU stuck with the "Tony Stark is Kang" idea, we wouldn't be in this situation.
This. They already associated Ultron to him, why not do the same for Kang?
>Is Batgof worth shit at all?
> Can he even take on any of the JLA'ers at this point?
> Because he jobbed out to a _______ and socialist ants.
>first time Thanos shows up he curbstomps Hulk, kills Loki and succeeds in his plan
>first time Kang shows up nobody gives a shit because Disney+ shows aren't worth watching
>second time Kang shows up he gets defeated by ants
To be fair it was a lot of ants
>Some guy that gets stabbed
>Some guy in very discount Iron Man armor that gets taken down by horse sized ants
>some stuttering guy from the 1800s that dies a few thousand times
MCU is doing one really shit job of trying to hype the guy up. At this point people are just fricking tired of the villain always being this random black guy that does little and gets killed over and over again.
ANTS
ANTS
Pym-Sama, I kneel
Crazy how they let the AntFam win against Kang that is being propped up as the new big bad. I honestly liked that because the whole thing felt like Marvel was just going sacrifice them to show how bad Kang is for the multiverse, essentially using them as a stepping stone which I would hate since I don't really care for the big picture storyline and I would rather watch a story that's actually about the Ant-Man cast rather than some form of setup. It was a bad movie but at least the characters that I actually care about weren't fodderized to show how much of a big deal the new threat is.
Yeah this is not how to do this shit.
Yeah no, extra lives don't make a character scary on it's own. The prospect of someone having to fight a whole army of him at ONCE might be scary but we haven't seen that actually happen.
Just making it so you didn't kill him for good just likens him to any evergreen villain in the comics that they don't want to kill off for good.
b***h please, some of the most intimidating characters use that gimmick to great effect.
"infinite Lives" is a huge threat coupled with basically any other power.
NONE of the Avengers had enough power to beat Funny Valentine, for instance.
Okay let me put it in a way that your dumb shill ass can understand. NOBODY FRICKING CARES. A villain needs more than a threat level. They need to be interesting to watch.
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All this talk from comic readers about how Kang has infinite lives and super technology makes my eyes glaze over. It's like listening to someone pretend Plasticman is a cool character because he could kill the entire Justice League because his rubber powers are THAT good or whatever.
Seriously. I don't much like how Thanos was handled in the movie but he at least had some Gravitas. High Evolutionary had a villains charisma and all he really did was torture some fluffy animals. Kang was made out to be a joke, and I don't care if there's a million of them or if the others are bigger deals. The idea of having more this yahoo actually makes me less interested in seeing the film.
Plastic Man is a cool character because he is funny and artists always get creative with his powers. His rubber powers being THAT good is just a plus lmao
Sort of missing the point there, Jimmy.
I know, just never missing my chance praise goold ol' Plas
Well right on then.
Not this version. Maybe if he was like 616 Kang who had that forecefield that Thor couldn't get through and they had to outsmart him or something...but not this guy.
I feel like even Whiplash outclasses this guy.
The real issue is they already gave Thanos the 'time traveling villain who aids in the efforts of himself from another timeline' shtick.
Thats supposed to be something that makes Kang feel special, at least at the time he's revealed.
Huh. "I am inevitable" would've worked better as his catchphrase too
Kang is there so Captain Marvel can have a scene where she throws one Kang into a crowd of Kangz and they all fall down while the bowling pin strike sound effect plays.
And then Kamala jumps up and goes "STRIKE" or at least you heard that's how it happened, no one actually went to see the movie.
Don't all they have to do is reveal the not fricking around leader Kang?
perfect time to make him bring in the main bad guys from the previous movies, like a Marvel VS Capcom plot
hell he can call in onsluaght some how
Loki is all powerful at this point and still believes the TVA is their only best bet of stopping the Kangs though. Power level bullshit is pointless because the rules can always change.
The real threat of Kang from a multiversal perspective is that he's infinite, no matter how many times you run him over with Ants or stab him or whatever, 50 more just pop up trying to conquer all of time. Not saying he makes for a good villain the way they've set him up, but it makes sense why Loki thinks the TVA is needed to keep him in check at this point.
In a way, the threat of Kang is an army of them, like ants
if you can never "beat" or kill your opponent, and they are super genius with 2000 years of advanced tech over you, they are a huge threat.
that's why, morons.
Thanos came back due to time travel.. once, now imagine he has perfected this technology, and versions of him can come one after the other, each one has seen the last one and how they got defeated and have INFINITE time to prep.
If you never show your opponent as a huge threat, they're not a huge threat. Theoretical extra tries don't mean dick. You made an army of infinite chumps.
Kang is such a huge threat that one of them erased all the other ones from existence and controls all of time and everything in it in all timelines, at once, and only through his own planned death is he undone and his infinite other selves brought back from the now branched timeline.
but your a moron, you need him to punch the Hulk really hard or something.
>but your
>I can't discuss what's being argued, so I'll attack an irrelevant grammar mistake.
>grammar
Demonstrating this would be a good thing at some point. Like as I mentioned in my idea above
, have the big fight where the Avengers manage to get a good plan and have the big finale battle against Kang, and then he goes "Nope, didn't like threat, do it again" and rewinds back to the start and blows them out.
And then when they start to power through regardless, he just pulls out an "I win" button with future tech and shuts them off with a super EMP with some anti magic sprinkled in, that he could have theoretically pulled out from the word go.
imagine a big throwdown, the Avengers throw everything at a Kang Variant, and they win, but they are battered and exhausted, and the second the kill him, a portal opens up, and another Variant, who saw this fight and has countermeasures, walks in, with the implication that this will happen in succession infinitely.
that is Kang's ultimate expression of power if they all worked together.
Conservation of ninjutsu. The more there are the less they matter. Infinite Kangz means you care 0 about the character. He might as well be Thanos' copypaste army hoard. It doesn't more if he's actually da biggest threat possible guys omg. Infinite Kangz can only be beaten through some boring bullshittery like "beat the prime kang to delet them all" or "go to the past to kill Kangputler before he becomes a multiversal problem" or something equally contrived and lame.
>sees how little he did in the films
Looks like he wasn't such a Kang after all
I think Age of Ultron pulled off the "many bodies" gimmick well enough.
Man, imagine if that film was actually as cool as this pic
I was so disappointed with the actual movie after that promo pic and the trailer. The only really good parts were the party scene at Tony's, and the Hulkbuster fight. And it introduced Wanda, the Winter Soldier post-credits notwithstanding.
>and the trailer
Still one of the best trailers out there tbqh
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I remember the hype when this dropped so clearly. God, I wish the film had lived up to this.
Reminds me how the beginning of Black Widow looked promising through to the opening credits, but the rest of the movie wasn't like that all
MCU needs more creepy sinister characters
>And it introduced Wanda
Anon has his priorities in order.
Based Wandabros
>No "Ultron! We would have words with thee."
These movies just constantly do Thor dirty.
He's the only one with four movies named after him, and had the standout moment in Infinity War
His arc with Thanos was the most personal and interesting. Tony and Steve were just trying to prevent disaster, Thor saw Loki, Heimdall, and a ton of Asgardians die, and had four fights with Thanos.
>Thor saw Loki, Heimdall, and a ton of Asgardians die
And it was treated like a joke. Him having more movies and fights doesn't mean anything if they're gonna turn him into dumb funny guy.
To play devils advocate everything we saw in Quantumania was what Kang was capable of doing using only his suit/time chair, marooned in a prison the other Kangs doomed him to.
How would an endless multiversal Kang army even lose? How does he lose in the comics?
In "reality" fighting Kang would be a literally endless loop of hopping around time and multiverses trying to stop him from killing all of his threats before they could manifest themselves as something worthy of a threat.
From what I remember in the comics, the whole point of Kang was that he was a schemer. He could hold his own in combat with the aid of his tech if he really needed to, but kicking ass wasn't his strength. His strength was playing 12D chess and blasting people with kaikakus and trap cards. I mean, wasn't that the entire point of the Council of Kangs? To have a thinktank composed of thousands of versions of himself that could brainstorm that shit?
The movie just made him out to be this unstoppable badass and then he gets his buck broken by a guy that was a joke even in his own movies. They really, really needed to put his genius aspects to the forefront and not his fight club ones. Not that any of that would have saved the movie, mind you.
Comic Kang is a warlord, a conqueror in the tradition of Alexander, Caesar, etc. He has an empire, he has armies. He could just take present day Earth through sheer numbers and overwhelming force if he wanted to, but he doesn't usually want to do that, he wants the challenge of taking on the legendary warriors of the age of heroes and to beat them relatively clean. Relatively as he has so much future tech and some of it is arguably cheating.
The Council of Kangs was a mistake in comics that weakened Kang as a concept, not sure why the MCU went to it immediately.
It would ruin the S1 finale reveal, but if Timely was the first Kang we meet, and the Quantumania one was the most recent then perhaps perceptions would be different with Kangs getting progressively more evil and powerful.
He let himself get killed by the normal knife because it didn't matter Loki was going to be forced to save him anyway if he didn't asspull the Yggdrasil thing.
He Who Remains was cool, but Kang was a nothingburger. They can tell us that Kang killed Avengers in other timelines or whatnot, but it’s not convincing. There is so much that Infinity Wars got right in just a few minutes.
>Movie opens with a distress call over the “Marvel Studios” fanfare
>Thor is a bloody ragdoll
>Hulk gets finessed throwing his weight around, because Thanos actually knows how to fight
>Kills Heimdall with no hesitation
>SLOWLY chokes the life out of Loki until he’s squirming and blue in the face
>Doesn’t even kill Thor, just leaves him to rot in the ashes of his ship.
Classic show don’t tell.