Is Luke Skywalker just a paul mau'dib rip-off?

Is Luke Skywalker just a paul mau'dib rip-off?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, he's Colonel Kurtz.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shut the frick up shill.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this is good. it might get some normie to watch Apocalypse Now and realize that NuWars is just shit limitations of good stuff

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >NuWars is just shit limitations of good stuff
        That's Star Wars in general though.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How the frick? Anakin in episode 3 is more like him

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Paul is far more of a T.E. Lawrence ripoff than Luke is a Paul ripoff

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      correct
      luke is just a self insert into the dune universe
      as a fun fact I'll add that there's a second book that heavily influenced dune which I've never seen mentioned on the internet

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It goes John Carter, Buck Rodgers, Flash Gordon, Luke Skywalker.

    Star Wars is a Princess of Mars rip-off only midwits see the DUNE connections.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What about lensmen

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nah you forgot Toshiro Mifune who came inbetween Flash Gordon and Luke

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Young man with hidden heritage adopted out to trusted, if tough-love-style guardians as a baby, meets a wizard and gets a magic sword
      GEE, I WONDER WHO THIS COULD BE ALLUDING TO

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >And after a few good years, he gets wienery and ultimately fricks everything up, letting his evil nephew run amuck.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody gives a shit about Dune

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not really. If you read the first draft and the original 15 page treatment Lucas wrote (pic related) Luke Skywalker is basically just General Rokurota from The Hidden Fortress (these early versions are basically just Hidden Fortress plus the cantina scene, plus the WWII space battle around an Imperial battle station with a bit near the end where they end up on the Wookie planet - which eventually turned into the Ewok planet by the time they made Jedi with a decent amount of Dune sprinkled in) and is closer to the Obi-Wan character from the final film as the other main character is Anakin Starkiller, his padawan that he's teaching to be a Jedi Bendu. And Anakin's closer to both Luke from the final film AND Han (notably he manages to bang every chick he comes across and has that Han Solo swagger.)

    And then in the 2nd draft (which has a mostly different plot and is about the Khyber crystal) he merged the two charters together and made Luke Starkiller (who's basically Luke from the final film) as well as Han Solo (which was the name of some random alien in the first draft) and this version doesn't have an Obi-Wan character or even a princess (instead Leia is Luke's cousin in this version.) And Luke himself slowly with each draft becomes a kind-of self insert for George himself - a few days into filming even Mark Hamill realized that and started modeling his performance on George's mannerisms.

    And then he reads Joeseph Campbell's Hero with a Thousand Faces (which is when he starts intentionally ripping off mythological and fairy tale archtypes rather than Kurosawa movies) as well as Carlos Casteneda's Teaching of Don Juan (which is where he gets the idea from to turn the Jedi from Samurai into sorcerers.) And so in the third draft he reintroduces the princess and the original Luke Skywalker character, but now called Ben Kenobi. But he's no longer a Mifune samurai character but rather an old wizard - ala Gandalf or Merlin.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ... too long: TL;DR version: Basically, no.

      The EARLY versions of the Star Wars script were more Dune inspired (and even moreso Hidden Fortress inspired) but by the time George had rewritten it and rewritten over and over again there was barely anything left of either in the final film.

      Also (off-topic but) anyone who says Star Wars is just a complete rip-off of The Hidden Fortress is a moron who hasn't actually seen Hidden Fortress and probably gets all their information from Youtube video essays

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's so funny to me that George has been wearing the same 5 shirts for the last 50 years

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >And Anakin's closer to both Luke from the final film AND Han (notably he manages to bang every chick he comes across and has that Han Solo swagger.)
      Literally Kirk in Star Trek '09.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Unironically yeah, kinda. This is from the first script (the General is Luke Skywalker, Starkiller is Anakin Starkiller - although it's spelt Annikin here)

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >A Jedi must be single-minded, a discipline your father obviously never learned, hence your existence.
          Looks like the No Attachments thing was a thing way back then.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I like how people pretend George Lucas was working off an established codex of lore and history instead of just making shit up that sounded cool to him as he went along.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Lucas wrote and re-wrote the script for the first Star Wars in its entirety 4 times, and that 4th script is the first Star Wars, or A New Hope (although that's not what the script's called, it's instead called The Adventures of Luke Skywalker Saga I: Star Wars lol) but it's shocking how much stuff he threw out in those first 3 drafts ended up turning into both the sequels and the prequels. Like just one example: here's the opening crawl from the first draft. He had the Sith almost as early as he had the Jedi but notice how this ended up evolving into Obi-Wan's exposition dump in the first movie?

            George Lucas is fascinating to me. He simultaneously had planned a ton of this stuff out right from the beginning... and he was also blatantly making shit up as he went along, sometimes even on the day they filmed it lmao

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Damn, so the Sith were a thing even before he made A New Hope

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Honestly, I prefer this version of Luke rather than the one we got.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            ...yeah but to be clear: that version of Luke Skywalker (a 60 year old general and legendary Jedi Bendu) ended up turning into Obi-Wan Kenobi eventually (a 60 year old former general and legendary Jedi Knight.) Again I tried to a summary here:

            Not really. If you read the first draft and the original 15 page treatment Lucas wrote (pic related) Luke Skywalker is basically just General Rokurota from The Hidden Fortress (these early versions are basically just Hidden Fortress plus the cantina scene, plus the WWII space battle around an Imperial battle station with a bit near the end where they end up on the Wookie planet - which eventually turned into the Ewok planet by the time they made Jedi with a decent amount of Dune sprinkled in) and is closer to the Obi-Wan character from the final film as the other main character is Anakin Starkiller, his padawan that he's teaching to be a Jedi Bendu. And Anakin's closer to both Luke from the final film AND Han (notably he manages to bang every chick he comes across and has that Han Solo swagger.)

            And then in the 2nd draft (which has a mostly different plot and is about the Khyber crystal) he merged the two charters together and made Luke Starkiller (who's basically Luke from the final film) as well as Han Solo (which was the name of some random alien in the first draft) and this version doesn't have an Obi-Wan character or even a princess (instead Leia is Luke's cousin in this version.) And Luke himself slowly with each draft becomes a kind-of self insert for George himself - a few days into filming even Mark Hamill realized that and started modeling his performance on George's mannerisms.

            And then he reads Joeseph Campbell's Hero with a Thousand Faces (which is when he starts intentionally ripping off mythological and fairy tale archtypes rather than Kurosawa movies) as well as Carlos Casteneda's Teaching of Don Juan (which is where he gets the idea from to turn the Jedi from Samurai into sorcerers.) And so in the third draft he reintroduces the princess and the original Luke Skywalker character, but now called Ben Kenobi. But he's no longer a Mifune samurai character but rather an old wizard - ala Gandalf or Merlin.

            And tldr version here:

            ... too long: TL;DR version: Basically, no.

            The EARLY versions of the Star Wars script were more Dune inspired (and even moreso Hidden Fortress inspired) but by the time George had rewritten it and rewritten over and over again there was barely anything left of either in the final film.

            Also (off-topic but) anyone who says Star Wars is just a complete rip-off of The Hidden Fortress is a moron who hasn't actually seen Hidden Fortress and probably gets all their information from Youtube video essays

            Honestly the first script's a bit all over the place but it's kinda rad. It's the one with all the weird shit (like Han being an alien and so on) and it was pretty much unfilmable back in the 70s but it's actually really cool and a lot of fun.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I'm talking about "Annikin"/Proto-Luke.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ah okay. Yeah I don't entirely disagree. But again, some of those traits ended up becoming Han Solo

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >But again, some of those traits ended up becoming Han Solo
                And he becomes a much more fun character because of it. Kyle Katarn's a mix of Luke and Han and he's plenty loved. Suppose the OT had a reboot and Luke was made to be more like "Anikin" from the early drafts, then Han would seem redundant and would either have to be overhauled or removed.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It would've been interesting to have Starkiller as Luke's lancer. And him having something going on with Leia. The original draft for TFU would've had him protecting Leia as her Jedi bodyguard from Vader's other apprentice.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It would've been interesting to have Starkiller as Luke's lancer.
                The adopted son and the blood son. Whole lot of friction right there. Vader doesn't need Galen anymore since he's got the genuine article with Luke.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Lucas wrote and re-wrote the script for the first Star Wars in its entirety 4 times, and that 4th script is the first Star Wars, or A New Hope (although that's not what the script's called, it's instead called The Adventures of Luke Skywalker Saga I: Star Wars lol) but it's shocking how much stuff he threw out in those first 3 drafts ended up turning into both the sequels and the prequels. Like just one example: here's the opening crawl from the first draft. He had the Sith almost as early as he had the Jedi but notice how this ended up evolving into Obi-Wan's exposition dump in the first movie?

          George Lucas is fascinating to me. He simultaneously had planned a ton of this stuff out right from the beginning... and he was also blatantly making shit up as he went along, sometimes even on the day they filmed it lmao

          cool shit

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ... too long: TL;DR version: Basically, no.

      The EARLY versions of the Star Wars script were more Dune inspired (and even moreso Hidden Fortress inspired) but by the time George had rewritten it and rewritten over and over again there was barely anything left of either in the final film.

      Also (off-topic but) anyone who says Star Wars is just a complete rip-off of The Hidden Fortress is a moron who hasn't actually seen Hidden Fortress and probably gets all their information from Youtube video essays

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Paul was called Paul because Paul the Apostle was a false prophet and blind convert to christianity

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That makes sense, The point of Dune is be careful who you follow.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The point of Dune is that sand people can frick up anything.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the point of dune is that if you turn yourself into a giant immortal worm with no dick you still get horny and also knowing the future exactly is boring

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i would have watched duncan pound hwi all day long

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No it isn't The point of Dune is that you don't let fat fricks who mess with your family get away with it even if you have to set in motion a chain of events which sees the entire universe's middle class get raped up the ass literally.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no he actually is a hero, nothing Paul does (and Paul is actually Anakin) will compete with Luke

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Luke is tempted by his father with the power to rule the galaxy several times and refuses. Paul Atreides would have accepted. That’s the difference .

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        and the theory at the time among nerds was that Luke might turn heel since they got reports of him wearing all black, mustve been amazing to see him both power up and win at the time

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Kasdan wanted Luke to die & Leia to become the main character.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I thought he wanted him to turn to the Dark Side and become the new Darth Vader.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Mark wanted that, He wanted to shave his head & shit & go ham.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            "no, israelite" - George Lucas

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They eventually got their way. There’s never been a bigger character assassination than what they did to Luke Skywalker. Selfless hero with the courage to believe in the force into a cowardly above it all piece of shit. Great. I hope it was worth it to nuke a multi billion dollar IP to push your straight white man bad message.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's almost as if story happens and Luke fell to the dark side for a little bit which means story happens.

                Shocking, news at 11

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Again in Galactic Basic please.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The writing in nu-wars is shit.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ah.
                Yeah the put no effort in the world building & everything is girl coded & lame.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Luke didn't try to kill Ben.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Luke is tempted by his father with the power to rule the galaxy several times
        Only twice.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Twice in Empire, and once in Jedi. Once when he is brought before Vader in cuffs and once during the air shaft lightsaber battle and then during the last fight on the second death star.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Vader's masked acting in those scenes are underrated.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Paul is actually Anakin

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dune can only work as an Anime.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    More like a Joe-bi-one Kenobi, chud

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A eugenics project?

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this is the one thing from Dune that is NOT used. Star Wars 1977 luke is a dork who gets a lucky break and a lucky shot and wins a single kiss. Not the culmination of a hundred generational project to concentrate nobility.
    Luke doesn't at any point become a leader.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Luke becomes a leader at the end of the trench run by taking the initiative of the mission upon himself. He gives orders to Wedge and Biggs after Red Leader dies and assumes command.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >lucky shot
      I feel like anyone that actually thinks this is SO dumb they can’t even understand the literal children’s movie that is Star Wars. I’m not even going to explain why it’s dumb, that’s how obviously dumb it is.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean, you don't have to. Here's George Lucas explaining it to the guy who's about to start writing the novelization in December 1975

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Now it really comes down to that scene in the movie where Ben tries to get Luke to swordfight with the chrome baseball when he's blindfolded
          >chrome baseball
          lol

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nah Luke's pretty much just George Lucas's alter ego, hence: Luke S.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is that why he's so geeky?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I like Luke's character development into a Gentlemen.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ew.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Ew.
            Go watch Filoni Wars.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I like Luke's character development into a Gentlemen.
          What do you mean by that?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In return of the Jedi he's all reserved & in control.
            He's not a kid anymore like in 4.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >In return of the Jedi he's all reserved & in control.
              Still not cool enough. This however. https://youtu.be/yFu7n122T2E?si=vxBhiKz3A7MnJxah

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sorta. Unironically Mark Hamill started modelling his performance on George once he worked out it was basically just George.

        But keep in mind, George is a geek but not really a nerd or poindexter. He's mostly just a film and sci-fi geek. Like for instance the dude fricking loves fast cars and wanted to be either a race car driver or a mechanic when he grew up. If you watch the scene in the first movie where they first get to the rebel base on Yavin watch Luke, he immediately goes off and starts looking at all the spaceships seemingly having stopped giving a frick about the Empire or any of that nonsense. Cause that's the sort of thing George would totally do.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yep, he was going to have the nickname "Wormy" at that little station in the outtakes with Biggs. Which is the same deal as Toady in American Graffiti, George's other stand-in character.

        It may be intended to echo/pottery The Sword in the Stone by TH White who had young Arthur be named "The Wart" ("Wart" to rhyme with "Art") as a further way to obscure his identity. In the Disney animation they call him The Wart as in the skin lesion, despite White being very clear on how it was meant to be pronounced.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Neat, I didn't know that

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anakin is Dracula you morons. He made a deal with the devil to save the woman he loved. It's not that deep.

    Lucas just ripped off the desert setting from Dune as well as the Voice for the Jedi mind trick.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Anakin is Dracula you morons. He made a deal with the devil to save the woman he loved. It's not that deep.
      He's Jesus and Lucifer. His story combines the New Testament and Paradise Lost.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's literally just mormonism

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Sith originally splintered off from the Jedi, like the Gnostics from the Christians.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But the Gnostics are the true Christians.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Paradise Lost.
        That shit was mostly filler & DBZ power-up scenes.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Reductive pseud brings nothing to the table.
      Funny that.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He ripped off a goy's foreskin with that lightsaber

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is Luke Skywalker just a paul mau'dib rip-off?

    No, Tattooine is arguably an Arakis rip off; but Paul Mau'dib is definitely a Lawrence of Arabia rip off.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair George was ripping off Lawrence of Arabia here and there too, just completely different parts of it to Herbert

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Dune connections are overstated, Dune is a bloated ecology paper.
    Star Wars is a pulp adventure like Conan & Solomon Kane.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Star Wars is a pulp adventure like Conan & Solomon Kane.
      Well Flash Gordon was the original BIG inspiration but yeah

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >One of those prequel supercuts
    >Rogue One
    >The Original Trinity, unedited, no gay CGI banthas
    This is the only star wars media worth your time

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Holy shit NPCs are real!

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, Luke is based on Campbell's Hero's Journey; Paul was a Lord Raglan archetype that can't even be classified as a hero.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's nothing about Star Wars that is like Dune besides the concept of a desert planet and an Emperor.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    watching Star Wars all day @ https://bongstream.live/north/

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nice. Is this 4K80 or something else? It looks pretty rough

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Something else, it’s pretty grimey, Return of the Jedi coming up next is the same way

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I checked (it says in the corner if you go fullscreen - I just didn't notice) it's the Grindhouse version. Still cool though.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's still neat though as it's the original cut. Although mind you it's Empire which is the least fricked with of the original movies

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >It's still neat though as it's the original cut.
            The originals haven't aged well if you aren't Gen X. And I ain't gonna pretend that they have just because I like Star Wars. That's zealotry.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Nah the pacing's shit in the Special Edition of A New Hope and that fricking song-and-dance sequence in Jedi is genuinely, distractedly bad.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    all of star wars is a basic mishmash of sci-fantasy tropes of the mid 1900s, and with an execution based on masterpiece films that any film student would have been aware of back then. it's that easy, yet hollywood struggles to come up with anything, and everything looks bad.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If it's that easy let's see your sci-fi movie series anon?

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