Is making a black lesbian character easy mode when it comes to making your product more diverse? To me it feels like the easiest, laziest thing to do and a lot of comics and cartoons go that way with either adapting characters or original characters. They either make them a black woman, a lesbian, or if they're feeling extra lazy a black lesbian. But where are the Asian Lesbians? The Asian Bisexual Men? The Black Gay Men? Bisexual Hispanic Women? It feels like its just black lesbians everywhere now, or just black women in general.
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How exhausting is it to obsess over shit like this on a daily basis?
How exhausting is it to try to gaslight people every time you see a thread like this and come in to post your bullshit in them?
Ok the rest make sense except Annie
We’ve had live action movie ginger Annie before
So it's not about replacing whites?
The industry just hates gingers with passion?
Does this even matter?
does what matter? It seems to matter to you, that's why you're in this thread posting about it.
I dunno if they hate gingers, but they seem to like recasting them with black people
Sure you can say it makes sense. What is strange is the casting never goes the other way. They never cast fictional black characters with white actors. They cast historical figures like Anne Bolyn with black actors but they will never cast Rosa Parks or Malcolm X with a white actor. Why does the "race blind" casting only go one way? It's not really race blind casting is it?
>does what matter? It seems to matter to you, that's why you're in this thread posting about it.
But did it matter enough to make this thread? I'm trying to understand OP's point of view.
>Why does the "race blind" casting only go one way?
Because you're obsessed with hating blacks and don't notice when it goes the other ways. Thinking of just Cinemaphile related examples:
Wanted - Angelina Jolie plays Fox, a character visually based on Halle Berry (Cinemaphile says this doesn't count because they changed more things too.)
Spawn - Terry Fitzgerald, the man Spawn's widow remarries, was changed from black to white.
The Dark Knight Rises - Latino Luchadore mask wearing Bane is played by white British Tom Hardy. Chinese/Arab Talia Al Ghul is played by white french Marion Cotillard, which is of course the result of casting Irish Liam Neeson as Arab/Chinese Ra's Al Ghul.
Days of Future Past and New Mutants - Afro-Brazilian Sunspot, who has "was discriminated for being dark skinned" as part of his backstory in the comics, is played by white latino actors Adan Canto and Henry Zaga, respectively.
Doctor Strange - Tilda Swinton as the formerly Tibetan Ancient One (which "doesn't count" because it was to pander to China)
Wonder Woman - Doctor Poison went from being a Japanese princess to Turkish.
Iron Man - Yinsen goes from being Vietnamese to Arab
The Last Airbender - Literally the entire cast.
Name some examples of black historic figures cast as white people.
The only one I can think of is Ben Kingsley as Ghandi, but Sir Ben Kingsley is half Indian and his real name is Krishna Pandit Bhanji
>Name some examples of black historic figures cast as white people.
No. I'm not engaging with your constant goalpost moving. Take your L and shut up.
Why does race blind casting only ever go one way?
Already proved it doesn't. Now you're saying those examples don't count because they're not historical figures.
>Bane only became a latino luchadore in modern cartoon iterations of the character that came out after Dark Knight Rises.
Bane was a latino luchadore born and raised in the south american Santa Prisca prison in his very first appearance in 1993. The Dark Knight rises came out 19 years later in 2012.
This is your brain on white copium.
Because historically most popular fiction keeps being about white people, and primarily only white characters heavy fiction gets adapted and greenlighted. So if you want actual equality in acting jobs, you need blind casting when the role doesn't require specific ethnicity. White characters are the predominant default ethnicity without anything about the story actually requiring them to be white, so it's very easy to cast any ethnicity in the role without it being a bad change.
Or do you think it was unforgivable that Tarantino cast Pam Grier as Jackie Brown, despite the character being a blonde white woman in the novel?
>Because historically most popular fiction keeps being about white people
You only think that if you're a sheltered bigot who only watches things created by white people starring them. Do the African and Asian film industries all of a sudden not exist, you Western supremacist bigot?
2 billion muslims on the planet, Asia is the most populated continent on the planet and now for some reason their culture and cinema doesn't count, and only western Hollywood and european movies do? Bollywood suddenly isn't a thing and the Indian film industry doesn't count?
Please get back to me when you stop being such a sheltered bigot. It's a big world out there. There are more media out there than just Hollywood white supremacist bullshit you seem to consume.
I must also point out, it is you choosing to consume only this media starring white people. I think the real racist here is you.
Hollywood dominates pop culture with its whiteness globally. This is undeniable.
>Hollywood dominates pop culture with its whiteness globally. This is undeniable.
You only believe that if you have some kind of inferiority complex about your own race. Stop being so sheltered. There are more countries out there than just America, bigot. Learn to tolerate cultures different from your own and people who are different than you and don't necessarily want what you want.
99.99% of non-Hollywood movies and TVs has no cultural relevance comparable to Hollywood. That is why Hollywood has much bigger responsibility to reflect the diversity of the world, because they influence and dominate pop culture.
Hollywood has no responsibility to do anything. That's why they're trying to force the globohomosexual homosexual agenda in to everything.
>Name some examples of black historic figures cast as white people
Angelina Jolie As Mariane Pearl in a Mighty Heart. Joseph Fiennes as Michael Jackson in Elizabeth, Michael and Marlon. Mena Suvari as Chante Mallard in Stuck. William Mapother as Sgt. Jason Thomas in World Trade Center. In the 90s a studio actually executive wanted to cast Julia Roberts as Harriet fricking Tubman.
>In the 90s a studio actually executive wanted to cast Julia Roberts as Harriet fricking Tubman.
If Anne Bolyn can be black what is so bad about Harriet Tubman being played by a white? Don't you believe in race blind casting, tolerance and acceptance, or does that belief only go one way?
>If Anne Bolyn can be black what is so bad about Harriet Tubman being played by a white?
Perhaps because the first feature film about a major historical black female figure like Tubman, who fought to free slaves and barely has been depicted in TV and movies, shouldn't be cast as a white woman. Anne Boleyn meanwhile has been played by white women in multiple films and TV series. There's a pretty big difference.
Why is it ok to portray Queen Victoria as black in Bridgerton and Anne Bolyn as black in a new show about her, but it is wrong to cast Harriet Tubman and Malcolm X with non-black actors? I think the true racist here is you.
You don't actually believe in tolerance and race-blind casting. You only like race-blind casting if it goes one direction.
>Why is it ok to portray Queen Victoria as black in Bridgerton
Bridgerton TV show is set in an alternate history with a racially integrated London. Anne Boylen is an incredible rare instance of blind casting for the entire cast, of a historical figure from 500 years ago. If you think that was wrong, okay, maybe it was. It doesn't change the fact that it pales in comparison to how much non-white real life based roles have been even relatively recently been whitewashed. Maybe we need a century of doing the opposite to make it even.
>Maybe we need a century of doing the opposite to make it even.
so you want revenge for a perceived slight against you? What school teacher convinced you to believe these moronic things?
You can't pretend we're on an equal footing currently. Fair is fair, isn't it? Especially if you are someone who thinks representation doesn't matter at all this shouldn't be a problem.
you sound like you have a big chip on your shoulder and now want revenge against white people for perceived slights they made against you. Is the real racist here you? Or are you one of those racists who believes it's impossible to be racist towards white people?
This isn't about me, this is about casting. Stick to the topic, please.
>Latino Luchadore mask wearing Bane is played by white British Tom Hardy.
Bane only became a latino luchadore in modern cartoon iterations of the character that came out after Dark Knight Rises. Bane was racebent from white arab guy in to a hispanic latino from Central America.
>Because you're obsessed with hating blacks
You claim that the one reason to dislike these changes are "because you hate black people," and still pretend that everyone else is the disingenuous ones?
Maybe some people just want an authentic fricking adaptation of a character they like in what is likely the only adaptation they'll ever get.
>Maybe some people just want an authentic fricking adaptation
What is "authentic"? Just looking similar? So it's important to pander to superficial similarity fanatics? What if a non-white actor did it better? Do you think Jackie Brown is an abomination movie adaptation because Tarantino failed to be authentic to the novel? The movie completely dropped the entire Luis and Ordel trying to rob neo-Nazi group's gun cache subplot and changed the setting to LA, after all.
>What is "authentic"?
Not full of ugly black people for no fricking reason?
So it's not about "authenticity" at all, it's about your vanity, as well as subjective and entirely arbitrary beauty standards?
>What is "authentic"? Just looking similar? So it's important to pander to superficial similarity fanatics?
Are you REALLY going to pretend now that a character's race doesn't inform their backstory/how they end up being written to act around other characters?
Yeah, comic Amber and cartoon Amber sure act the exact frickin' same.
Do you think black Jackie Brown was disastrous creative choice that ruined the entire movie? Or did you not knowing it help you enjoy one of Tarantino's most acclaimed movies?
>Do you think black Jackie Brown was disastrous creative choice that ruined the entire movie?
No, but I've never claimed that "raceswapping" is an inherently project-ruining notion. It simply lends itself to cheap representation that serves to piss off original fans for arbitrarily changing a character they liked.
Honestly, I don't know why black people don't get offended over it, too; it's essentially saying that any old hand-me-down character is all that the "coloreds" deserve in terms of representation. It's a lose-lose situation.
>It simply lends itself to cheap representation
It leads to more people of color getting jobs and getting better careers due to exposure which enables in the long term to generate more original roles.
Okay, cool. I'd still prefer they do it the way that isn't insulting to me as a fan and "colored" people in general. Not that I'm pretending to be outraged for them, but we can't pretend that it isn't some cheap and insulting shit to essentially spray-paint a character into a different race, then say
>"Here's you representation, bro"
>Maybe some people just want an authentic fricking adaptation of a character they like in what is likely the only adaptation they'll ever get.
Then maybe they should complain when the characters get turned white too instead of crying "why is it allways blacsk"
In a majority White market, wouldn't you expect the majority of media portrayals to be White, regardless of whether it's an OC or an adaptation?
Certainly you see mostly Chinamen in Chinese movies, especially historical period pieces.
I'm pretty sure nobody cares when Indian studios cast Indians and Mexican telenovelas star Mexican actors too.
The US demographics are becoming less and less white so why wouldn't diversity increase? Hell, half of New York City isn't white but do TV shows really reflect that? Not really, it's still mostly about white people. Remember how Friends barely had any non-white people in it despite running for ages?
But the population is becoming more mestizx, not more black. Why is it blacks that are skyrocketing in American media representation?
You forgot about Cyclone...
You need to add Batgirl, Carrie Kelly and Cyclone
Why are americans so fat? I 've seen fat people all over the world , but americans are their own category. They seem to be carved out of pure lard.
Lots of commercial junk food
High in calories and trans fats
Most Americans are poor (and getting poorer) and healthy food is expensive.
Frick, those people even put sugar into their bread.
And use corn syrup instead of sugar in sweet drinks. That's frickin disgusting. I once tried an imported hamburglar coke...it tasted like i was sipping on sweet oil, bleghh...
Coke is seventy five cents, bottled water is a dollar twenty five cents. That's why America is so fat. It's literally less expensive to not drink poison sugar water than pure water.
Sedentary lifestyle built around cars that requires minimal walking, the celebration of gluttony with holidays like Thanks Giving and the Super Bowl, high calorie low substance food that creates a never ending hunger perpetrating a cycle of overeating, and individuals too proud to admit they have a problem.
Yeah it's weird. Other countries, you can see how people let themselves go, with Americans is as if the fatness is built from the get go. There's just no healthy habits that can cure the Amerifat.
We put high fructose corn syrup in everything because otherwise we'd have to stop paying rural americans and the conglomerates they work for huge subsidies and lose their votes and then those black lesbians OP hates so much might hold hands in public.
>Asian Lesbians?
I'm pretty sure Awkwafina played at least one and this board sperged out about that too.
Asian women are allowed to be lesbians but only in netflix/HBO shit targeted at rich white people. Asians in Asian media are not allowed to be lesbian. This is haram and frowned upon.
A better question is, why do Americans feel the need to force their LGBTQ+ cultural values on to cultures and countries that don't want it? If you actually respect other races and cultures, then respect them when they tell you they don't want LGBTQ+ propaganda in their entertainment media.
Because Americans operate on the same hyprocritical principles as the federation from Star Trek does: we accept everyone, as long as you conform to our standards of normality and don't make much noise about the shit you got from your own culture that may disrupt us getting along so nicely. Basically they are the Borg with extra steps.
Exactly. All this LGBTQ+ forced indoctrination under the guise of tolerance is just Borg Assimilation with extra steps. They are only loving and tolerant towards people who think and believe exactly what they do.
You have described the mentality essentially every ideology, political faction and group on the planet takes to other factions
>You have described the mentality essentially every ideology, political faction and group on the planet takes to other factions
In America, fundamentalist Muslims, Amish and LGBTQ anus worshiping atheists all live and coexist in the same place.
In Afghanistan, LGBTQ+ anus worshiping atheists are executed for degeneracy, and you get discriminated against in society if you aren't Muslim.
Both cultures are equally valid and deserve the right to exist as they want to.
USA globohomos for some reason feel the need to force their homosexual homosexualry on every country they deliver democracy to and bomb, almost like LGBTQ+agenda is a psy op used to weaken a culture and soften it up for invasion or something.
I like that you sided with the Taliban here. Makes it very easy to see where you stand.
>I like that you sided with the Taliban
Just like the US did.
So you hate Muslims now too? Do you wish to impose your LGBTQ+ values on the 2 billion global followers of Islam? How tolerant and loving you are.
>I like that you sided with the Taliban here
The US sided with the Taliban too when we gave them all our weapons and intel we left behind for them.
>In Afghanistan, LGBTQ+ anus worshiping atheists are executed for degeneracy, and you get discriminated against in society if you aren't Muslim.
>Both cultures are equally valid
absolute fricking moron
are you now claiming that Muslim culture isn't valid? Are you saying that Islamic culture is invalid compared to the culture you believe they should follow? How tolerant and loving you are.
Europe and Australia operate on the same level
Yeah, as subsidiaries of America.
EU is basically an American client state and EU is a 5 Eyes Satellite state. It is all the same NATO brand of globohomosexual "democracy and freedom"
The nations that reject the globohomosexual homosexual agenda the most always happen to be USA's biggest enemies. In North Korea, gays and feminists are executed publicly in stadiums still.
Americans don't respect anything, not even themselves.
execs have been doubling up minorities for decades
They need to put this in every show, to cover all the woke bases at once.
I think much less would complain if only one character was ultra woke like this in every show, with everyone else being normal.
Putting black people in your show does not increase diversity. Black people are overrepresented in media at least twice over. Removing black people in media would increase diversity. But of course "diversity" doesn't actually mean diversity.
i'd hit it
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