Is Originality Dead?

What can help new IP strive and survive?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >What can help new IP strive and survive?
    Rape

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think so.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        We should try it just to rule it out.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Are you talking about Hazbin Hotel?

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I stumbled upon an animator on reddit trying to get a cartoon made and it's the saddest thing.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Link, please?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's such a bad design. He has worse art on his X profile and the art looks like he is ripping off guy.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's such a bad design. He has worse art on his X profile and the art looks like he is ripping off guy.

        I forgot to attach the image.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The artist actually works in studios and his art is embarrassing.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            I forgot to attach the image.

            it looks fine honestly

            [...]

            I did! For two seasons. I was even in a cartoon!

            >. I was even in a cartoon!
            I remember that, the big hat guy
            Was there a favorite episode you boarded? Was there any particular reason you didnt stay on? Any more you can tell about Pickles? I like how he looks

            [...]
            I realize that probably isn't the answer you’d like. It's vague, bog-standard advice, but it's my best advice.

            My journey into the industry isn't a standard one. I shot from the hip and got lucky.

            how much did you draw/of an artist were you before wanting to become a boarder?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Thank you.

              Fright Bite was my favorite episode. They cast me perfectly for that one. I even got a Death Becomes Her and Evil Dead reference into it.

              I drew a lot since I was a kid. I stumbled into being a board artist.

              This is literally what most of the creators I talk to say about their industry journey

              My decision to move to Burbank happened on a whim. My roommate(other Kevin) was supposed to graduate in a month, and we decided that the place to be was Burbank. We got a bus ticket for that night, rode to Burbank from San Francisco, and arrived in North Hollywood at 8:00 AM. We then walked into Burbank, got an apartment at the first place we saw, and were back on the bus by noon that day.

              We had a month of rent between us.

              During my second week in Burbank, I noticed I won a pitch meeting at Nick from some contest I entered. I pitched my show, and they liked it but eventually passed.
              I spent the next three years trying to get in with my character design degree with no success. CTN was a week away, and a friend suggested I try storyboarding. I boarded a short gag in a week and got my first two gigs that weekend. One was part of a SpongeBob episode, and the other was an explainer video company that flew me to Ohio for a week. After that, I had off and on work, but it was looking grim. I took a job under the table for designs and turnarounds and worked under Jim Smith.

              Around the same time, I took a test for Shimmer and Shine and got an interview. I think they called my Spongebob boss, Jim, and hired me.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          eh hirsch is a worse artist, if this guy is actually funny or original he might get by on the strength of that.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            He worked on Animaniacs 2020

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            How is Hirsch worse? Look at this art with a critical eye.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The artist actually works in studios and his art is embarrassing.

          These are fine. They look like something out of a comic

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            kind of a Spirou feel

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I see Spirou too and its not bad.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          looks like the sort of show that would of gotten cancelled after the first season anyway

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It looks more like something that would be a pilot episode and that's it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The artist actually works in studios and his art is embarrassing.

          looks like the sort of show that would of gotten cancelled after the first season anyway

          I don't think it would make that far.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It reminds me of this.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I found the artist and he actually worked on the Loudhouse.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              [...]
              Somebody REALLY likes the Loud House

              it looks like he worked on it

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yea that’s a way of putting “creator”

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He's not talking about Savino anon

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The artist actually works in studios and his art is embarrassing.

          What part of this reminds you of guys work?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The artist actually works in studios and his art is embarrassing.

          Somebody REALLY likes the Loud House

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The artist actually works in studios and his art is embarrassing.

          looks like the sort of show that would of gotten cancelled after the first season anyway

          His other art will get him canceled before this show is made. You can't just say I like breasts and expectbanimators to be cool with it

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Lol, I'm proud of this piece, but man, does it need an update.

            Blood, Breasts, and Beasts are part of the drive-in oath. I'm not ashamed of the movies I enjoy, lol.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That looks like a parody of a show. Like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL7g-KNsCf8

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The artist actually works in studios and his art is embarrassing.

          I dont what is bad about it besides looking like a rip off of something else. Which by admission does not stop someone from getting a show. This is at least industry grade, and adove average.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Anyone who can't tell this mess won't make it, isn't cut out for this industry.

            There isn't anything to go by based on images alone. How does he expect to make a cartoon without a pitch?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Anyone who can't tell this mess won't make it, isn't cut out for this industry.

            [...]
            There isn't anything to go by based on images alone. How does he expect to make a cartoon without a pitch?

            Found him. The premise sounds simple enough.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Anyone who can't tell this mess won't make it, isn't cut out for this industry.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The artist actually works in studios and his art is embarrassing.

          This isn't really that great but I dunno how it's supposed to be any worse than series that DO get picked up or renewed nowadays. Seems kind of boring but that's better than "Fairly Oddparents reboot"

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          looks like bootleg gumball

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The artist actually works in studios and his art is embarrassing.

        Art style reminds me of Loud House, which is the most popular cartoon airing in Nick. This is FAR from embarassing, its pretty solid.

        [...]

        mega based chad

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Cartoons are just sad now.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's been dead since the 60's.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sounding like it's something people will like and buy merchandise of.

    Last year Netflix had 6 new animated shows, each of which someone thought people would pay to watch.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Have to make it illegal for anyone other than the original creator to own IP

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And what happens when the legal creator is a production company?

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Established IP with a customer base
    Safe investment.
    >New IP with no established customer base
    Risky investment.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      IP with a customer base
      >Safe investment.
      Yup, that’s why the Thundercats reboot was a big hit. Oh, and that Willow show.
      This has been the conventional thought forever and there’s little to prove it’s actually true. That’s the power of a MBA, though. You can spout senseless drivel without having to give it any thought.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's pattern recognition. SpongeBob was original and a hit. Originals that come after it aren't doing the same numbers. TTG does numbers. This isn't having an MBA, this is what has happened and what risk averse execs act on.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          > Originals that come after it aren't doing the same numbers.
          Adventure Time? Steven Universe? Rick & Morty? Or were those all reboots? Or are you just a moron?

        • 1 month ago
          guy

          SpongeBob had some great artists working on it. Other "originals" (often simply clones of SpongeBob and other shows) lacked the fundamentals and appeal.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    When can we return to boys-oriented action shows?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      go watch kid cosmic or Robots or primal or that jurassic park show or voltron or the new superman show or invincible or literally anything you whiny child

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Jesus Christ, you think all that sewage is boys' action shows?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >moving the goalposts

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >or that jurassic park show
        That show is dogshit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Most of those are made for little girls in mind moron or stay at home mothers who wont be offended.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >the new superman show
        This is literally NOT made for boys.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      All the boys are watching anime.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They don't, boys are watching vintage animation from the 40s and 50s.
        Only geeks and nerds watch anime.

        Being Japanese.

        Only for manga.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Boys are watching minecraft videos or youtube poop.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Not even that, they're watching Game Sack and LGR.

            >Only geeks and nerds watch anime.
            You don't talk much to people under 30?
            Hell, I'd argue zoomer men watch more anime than actual TV at this point.
            t. zoomer

            If DuckTales'87, Tiny Toon Adventures and Animaniacs'1993 were the norm then yes, normies would watch anime, but those shows still had Americans like Tom Ruegger, Paul Rugg and Sherri Stoner on them, heck Bruce Timm and Eddie Fitzgerald and golden age vet Art Leonardi (who was trained by Friz Freleng himself) were on Tiny Toon Adventures with Kazuhide Tomonaga, Toshihiko Masuda and Yoshinobu Michihata.

            Heck Willie Ito (another golden age vet) was a character designer on The Wuzzles and The Adventures of the Gummi Bears.

            If Japan started making more character like Laura Haruna and less characters like Hayase Nagatoro again then normies will watch anime the same way they watch Bugs Bunny and Popeye.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              my lord you're divorced from reality, huh

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                This is a weird thing I've seen on Cinemaphile a few times now. Not just that the person doesn't like anime, they genuinely seem to believe that it's still 2003 and anime is some weird little niche thing. This anon takes it further and seems to believe it's still 1953, but it's quite strange to encounter. How do you get so deep into denial like this?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's just Famicom, a 50+ year old autist who's been known for decades and has a specific obsession for TMS entertainment, Tiny Toons/Animaniacs, and the Hamtaro girl.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Only geeks and nerds watch anime.
          You don't talk much to people under 30?
          Hell, I'd argue zoomer men watch more anime than actual TV at this point.
          t. zoomer

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Anon, I work as an art history teacher. Kids are REALLY into anime, lately they're talking a lot about One Piece ever since the 1000th episode, and before that all they kept talking about was MHA and Demon Slayer.

          And yet they don't like Berserk because "it's problematic", these fricking kids.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            so you teach in a school for homosexuals?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I mean, all zoomers and alphas are homosexuals, so you're not wrong.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I mean, all zoomers and alphas are homosexuals
                They're the ones b***hing about shit older generations mostly wouldn't give two shits about, especially on this board, so I agree.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                When there's no actual struggle, you have to make one up.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Don't be a moron. Generations criticizing generations is globally a culture norm, especially in art.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                True.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Your generation was the last one that TRULY struggled, eh?

                Boys are watching minecraft videos or youtube poop.

                >youtube poop
                Someone is really out of touch.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Your generation was the last one that TRULY struggled, eh?
                My generation made up stupid fake shit like cyber-bullying, Islamophobia, and homophobia.
                It was just different dumb fake shit.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >getting angry about concepts and words for things that clearly exist
                It sounds like you're the only one looking for a nonsense fight. All words are made up, you're just a moronic contrarian.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      When are we going to get boys-oriented ecchi shows?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Ahem.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Loosening of IP as a concept. It has done little to help raise the general prosperity of man and much to inflict small bits of undue suffering.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >you aren't allowed to use that pattern of notes because I used it in part of a song 20 years ago
      >you aren't allowed to use the word "monster" in the name of any product or IP because of the energy drink
      >Celebrities are even trademarking their common first names
      ICE ICE BABY

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Thankfully Japan is putting a stop this this.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Which part?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            All of them.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >you aren't allowed to use the word "monster" in the name of any product or IP because of the energy drink
        Funny thing is, this has been happening in South Korea for ages now.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I know, i was making a relevant comparison

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Being Japanese.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This is why TV is dying and YouTube indie is slowly growing.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    smaller budgets. The reason every movie and tv show is something you've seen before is studios aren't willing to risk hundreds of millions of dollars on something that isn't guaranteed to be successful

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Merch. "Toy commercials" brought in profit and by their nature had to look cool and hype.
    Companies are increasingly risk-averse and a long period of unprofitable originals that chased audiences away have really soured the concept for them.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Out of those 16 pitches, most of them were probably just really bad

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    god fricking damn it

    why is creating an OC so hard?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Creating an OC isn't hard
      Selling your OC to a studio is the hard part

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And making it last as long as the pre existing stuff is even harder

        Unless your a cartoon vet like Genndy or McCracken, chances are your show gets trashed before it even airs

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    er.. craig is involved in PPG again??

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah a reboot. Not connected to that other one with the self insert guy.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Eh, it's a revival actually, and interestingly, the 2016 "reboot" was actually a sequel lol since it referenced events from the original 1998 series.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        holy shit, i'm.. tentatively excited. though I did not enjoy craig's post-show PPG work, which I believe amounted to two specials.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    As someone who has family in the animation business, I'll tell you why new IP often isn't picked up

    >executives have much more power today than they've ever had (and since they're old, they're incredibly out of touch and focus exclusively on money)
    >knowing this, creators still aren't willing to make compromises or go the James Cameron route of dumbing their pitches down in order to sell it to the execs (and then making it good once it's actually in production) or pull a Genndy/Craig and make slop so they can get their foot in the door to make stuff they want to do
    >most IP being pitched tends to be ripping off stuff the network already has or is just therapy for the would-be showrunner

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >As someone who has family in the animation business,

      What you said was incredibly insightful. I will be saving it as a screen shot. Please tell us anything else you think would be good to know.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    So how do we fix the economy and make it great again?

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Basically a king?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      We still have congress.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Don't make dogshit ideas.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    We are a long way from a civil war.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yep. People like comfort. They will only support a civil war if things get so out of hand that the promises of a 'better tommorow' from a warlord sound better than sticking with the status que. And I think the economy will only get worse.

      Also civilians will probably do little fighting. 1st world warfare is all missles and aircrafts. The troops on the ground are to secure areas.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Do not underestimate how poorly your fellow Americans are doing. Many live in their cars, work two jobs or neet. These people are largelycut off from participating in society and being treated with decency.

      In the past all the people that were so disenfranchised were also borderline starving. Now calories are irrelevant. These people now have the energy to fight.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Kids like that Skibidi Toilet or whatever thing no? That's a new IP, so it's not like it's impossible

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Kids like Game Sack, Joe shows them many IPs they don't know about in his videos.

  22. 1 month ago
    Birchyfunbags

    Why are cartoonists still pitching in LA?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Same reason why everyone else does. israeli old guard who sell "The Dream" instead of reality. I pray for the day independent artists actually become popular, but still people care more about clout than creativity.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Same reason why everyone else does. israeli old guard who sell "The Dream" instead of reality. I pray for the day independent artists actually become popular, but still people care more about clout than creativity.

      I think if seasoned duded like craig keep getting told no, they should just put together pilot episodes of their new shows and just post them to youtube where they'll get honest feedback from fans and show just how much people want to watch these new ideas.
      The old networks are dying for a reason. Kids don't watch tv anymore.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I don't want to blame the proven creators, but they mostly don't want to restart their entire career over again making chicken scratch pilots. They already "made it" and don't want to try so hard anymore, shit look at John K and how much he gets shit on for continuing doing what he wants to do.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          By "continuing doing what he wants to do" you mean not animating? Cans without labels which was 10 minutes long took over 6 years to make lmfao.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'll take Cans Without Labels over anything released by a major studio the last 5 years.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I switched to watching anime because now cartoons are nothing but garbage adhd shit and bad reboots of old shit that never gets what made the originals good. Anime on the other hand, theres something new and original and really good coming out like every other week.

    I would love to watch some new original well thought out cartoons, but they just aren't being made anymore. Adventure Time and Regular Show was the last time western cartoons respected the intellegence of their audience.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Scavengers Reign? Pantheon? Arcane? Blue Eye Samurai?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why are these all fake anime?
        Also league is cancer and I refuse to watch a league cartoon.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          By this logic all anime is fake Disney you fricking moron.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Also league is cancer and I refuse to watch a league cartoon.
          go back

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Adventure Time and Regular Show was the last time western cartoons respected the intellegence of their audience.
      I can't believe you said this with a straight face. Adventure Time, the show that popularized babytalk nonsense like "Slamacow" and lolsorandumb interjections like "algebraic!" Adventure Time, the show that devolved into mopey, navel-gazing dramafests. If this is 'respecting the intelligence of the audience' please sign me up for condescending animation that knows how to tell a fricking joke using coherent language.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Shows like Spongebob and Teen Titans Go ruined expectations from networks. Any show that doesn’t become just as popular as those the moment it airs gets cancelled after one season. As a result, studios and artists straight up don’t except pitches anymore unless it’s a continuation of a pre-existing franchise, and that’s only if the network LIKES said franchise. The Swat Kats guys and Maxwell Atoms have been wanting to do continuations of their properties for nearly two decades and were constantly met with rejections. the Swat Kats crew had to settle for some second-rate Indian studio while Maxwell went to work on the Patrick Show of all things.

    So to answer your question OP, networks hate wanting to advertise new shit. Bringing back older properties is better and more cost-effective because they don’t really have to put in any effort into making it good. That’s why so many revivals like Rugrats, Animaniacs, Tiny Toons, Clone High and so on are all trash. They are made to garner nostalgia-bucks/internet outrage and that’s it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Any show that doesn’t become just as popular as those the moment it airs
      Except one guy who worked on early spongebob had a twitter thread explaining how they didn't had the audience in early seasons. They managed to grow over the years by convincing CN to not chop them off. CN methods or direction have just changed since.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Wasn't Studio 4°C supposed to do the Swat Kats revival?

      And Animaniacs'2020 wasn't originally going to be cheap nostalgia cash in, Telecom (credited under TMS) was supposed to do it like with the original but because of drama with (that and Wellesley Wild and most of the Warner Bros team that was hired to do Animaniacs'2020 HATED the anime clashing of the original) that led to them being forced to do Tower of God (Japan and South Korea hate each other's guts because of the whole comfort women thing that Japan started back in the 1930s) and Shenmue: The Animation, as Warner Bros own Crunchyroll at that time.
      https://twitter.com/gabe_swarr/status/1322936167822577666

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Famicom

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw you'll never make a shitpost comic with your buddy in a rathole apartment and accidentally create one of the biggest and longest lasting boys action IPs in history.

    Things really are shit now

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Most new IPs just suck, is all. Shit sucks AND blows at the same time. The people greenlighting the turds don't understand what makes a good cartoon show, so they see the originals they greenlit fail and go "hurp durp nobody wants original IPs!"

    It's a form of arrogance. They think if they can't pick the winning horse then nobody can.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      More so it is created to fail on purpose to prevent new IPs from taking off so existing ones are to be forced back into the public. It is by design.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity. I find it far more believable a bunch of hacks sold terrible shows to empty suits who have no souls and thus can't recognize good entertainment from bad. What the frick is the point of your lame conspiracy? They can already milk the old shit, they don't need to waste money on deliberately failed projects to do that. Projects fail usually because of bad leadership. If grunts can't do the work properly they get fired, but managers and other leaders do way too much ass covering for one another to ever catch blame for shit, so if a stinker goes to the air you know where to point fingers.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yep

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I hate this new corporate hellscape. Can people just get sick of nostalgia faster?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Nostalgia will never die because people are getting nostalgic for trash like Johnny Test, Total Drama Island, and Totally Spies.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Execs are risk averse and networks have been nose diving in profits and viewership. The only uptick they've had is SpongeBob and for CN the only thing they had that came close is TTG, but even that didn't reverse the trend momentarily, it just slowed it for a bit. With those as your only positive points in the last 20 years while you continue to lose viewers and target demographics, you don't roll the dice pitching something execs aren't familiar with.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      *25 years
      SpongeBob came out in 1999.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A proven viewing base guaranteed to tune in on day zero of production.
    That's how the anime industry works.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No it doesn't, it works the same way as the American animation industry did in the 1950s.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    People actually putting in the effort to find new ip's that aren't broadly advertised then watching/reading them. But that requires you to stop b***hing about the lack thereof and to stop consuming Big 2 products.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >new IP becomes popular
    >suddenly stops being considered a new IP
    Maybe stop watching cable and satellite, broaden the ol' horizons. There are plenty of them on the streaming service of your choice.

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Complete destruction and recreation of the current industry is the only solution.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's not a government, you can't dissolve it and restructure it. These networks are a product of their conditions and if they w were to dissolve and restructure, it's more likely that they'll be worse.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You can absolutely dissolve it and restructure it if the government wanted to. Regardless a crash of the entire entertainment industry is the only way out and it seems likely.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >What can help new IP strive and survive?
    Same as games, indie content that doesn't have the same absurdly inflated costs of production and expectations that the big stuff does.

    Look at shit like Digital Circus.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >inflated costs of production and expectations that the big stuff does.
      Even that varies depending on the project, especially regarding certain companies.

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Marvel and DC must first be destroyed and then replaced with more options than just 2 of the same flavor of capeshit. I also think rolling back the Disney induced 6 million year trademark policy to make everything go into public domain much quicker would force existing companies to refresh their IPs more often instead of relying on the same handful iconographies.

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Reduce copyright to 20 years. Companies can no longer rest their laurels on good ideas of the past. If Batman, Spider-man, etc become like Dracula and the Greek Gods where any one can make their own version, companies will want the advantage of a wholly original IP that they can control for 20 years. Then once the IP has run its course, companies will invest in new IPs to once again gain advantage, lending to a cycle of creation.

    Alternatively, creators can stop making originals that have zero merchandise potential, zero cool factor. Say what you will about the 80s era of cartoons, that shit looked cool and kids had reasons to latch onto them. Business-wise they could sell figures/merch of it. Modern cartoons are not visually appealing and have to get by almost entirely on their writing which is not that top level. Very risky

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The way that bird's mouth and beak work reminds me of those shitposts like Arthur wearing headphones below his ears or that one thing where a mouth was on the side of a nose (Tuff Puppy I think)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you can't create a good IP on your own you won't create a good Batman either.

      The only people who cry about IP law are the creatively-bankrupt who want to cash in on someone else's fame.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The fact that you came to that conclusion shows your lack of critical thinking

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You want access to established IPs because you're an uncreative hack. You can dress it up however you like, it's all self-serving bollocks in the end.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No I couldn't give a crap about IPs, I've just realized that by looking at reality, longer copyright leads to less creativity and less new IPs being created in favor of milking like what Disney does with their live action remakes.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You could just revert it back to how it used to be (14 years with one time renewal) without abolishing it completely. I'm not opposed to abolition if there's solutions for artist job security, which seems like a tall order, but just bringing back to how it was seems like the more reasonable option.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No one in this thread was in favor of abolishing copyright outright, where did you get that idea?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not the guy you were talking to but you're right nobody said that my bad.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No worries anon :^)

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Emailing my journo contacts rn that the creator of Pickles posts on Cinemaphile. Godspeed

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They are probably more interested in the fact I wrote an eight-page essay on the film “Things,” and why it should be celebrated and discussed in Film School.

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Don't be afraid, people just like to critique things here with brutal honesty. As long as you're not a crazy unlikable person we won't mind

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm ok with brutal honesty, but I prefer talking on Twitter because you can verify what it's me saying things. I have mixed feelings about social anonymity.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I have mixed feelings about social anonymity.
        It's people like you who have ruined the internet, the greatest tool of our time, and handed it over to corporations to centralize. Frick you.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I can't believe this one normie animator dude ruined the internet, billions must die.

          [...]

          Cheers mate but post proofs at least

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Um, well, I'm about to complain about comments on Twitter. Does that count as proof?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Just say hi Cinemaphile, do it homosexual.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You could always just post with a name and tripcode if you don't want to be anonymous

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I have no idea what that is but I'll look it up.

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Achievable things? Nothing.
    Wishfull thinking? Pay people better so they can consume things they dont know, get better writers and let channels/streaming services get a better monetarization system.

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    do we really need new IPs? There's so much content that you can watch a new old cartoon daily, and you will never run out of material for the rest of your life

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >do we really need new IPs
      New IPs prevent horrible people from fricking up good existing things. I wouldn’t want someone like Vivziepop for example to touch my favorite childhood shows. If you want to make something that has horrible characters and writing, by all means make your own stuff. Don’t change something that was once great unless you actually have good ideas.

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Created multiple original cartoons
    >has two ongoing originals currently, both are adult oriented and have fantastic animation
    >got to end Samurai Jack the way he wanted
    >directed a successful theatrical franchise
    >Has an upcoming original 2D theatrical film
    How did he do it?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The old guard of israeli media were more capable. Next gen is a little too moronic and nepo and care more about destroying the old culture than just making good shit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        My point is that Genndy and Craig were both colleagues yet Genndy somehow got to do his own thing while Craig is stuck doing PPG 2 and Foster's Babies

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      he makes good shit, that's all you gotta do in life.

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Original titles get no marketing budget so if your cartoon doesn't have its history online ala vivzie or steven universe, where fans get to see it grow for years and years, it's not gonna get seen. Also Craig's latest project was not interesting or original at all. I didn't like The Midnight Gospel but it catched decent viewing by being something completely different.

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Tbh the worst you'll get is your youngest character getting railed by a green doug walker followed by pic related
    Everything else is just criticism or shitposting your art is fine, but selling it as shorts or bumpers to adult swim seems more possible
    Godspeed animator anon wagmi

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Right now, I want to make it and put it out there. I'm not concerned if it gets picked up or not. It's a cartoony adult comedy anyway.

      My main goal is to get folks work. I'm meeting with a production friend to determine a budget that meets guild minimums. Many people here are struggling, including me, so it seems now is the time to make a cartoon.

      Just say hi Cinemaphile, do it homosexual.

      Lol, ok.

      [...]
      This isn't really that great but I dunno how it's supposed to be any worse than series that DO get picked up or renewed nowadays. Seems kind of boring but that's better than "Fairly Oddparents reboot"

      looks like bootleg gumball

      I'm not a character designer. Story and storyboards are what I'm good at. I'm looking to create the vibe I want, and then I’ll hand it off to a designer.
      One of those is an older piece of art from when the plot was different. Originally it was more like Heathcliff and was a buddy comedy between a neighborhood stray and a dog. Below is one of my first doodles.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        My homie
        Good luck on your cartoon Mr. Cannarile, you have my thoughts and prayers.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Thanks!
          We are starting strong. The script has gotten positive reviews, and I have the interest of some horror royalty looking to voice some characters. Fingers crossed!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >horror royalty
            Any sneak peaks?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I don't want to say until I have a stronger foundation. More than likely, I'll wait until I make the Kickstarter video.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Gotcha, no problem.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                But I hope you follow the Twitter account if you're interested in the process. As I said, I want this project to be transparent, like a rough education on how a small studio would run.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >This was real all along and not a LARP
          Well, frick me sideways and call me Dixie.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I'm meeting with a production friend to determine a budget that meets guild minimums.

        If the cartoon deal goes through, how much would the guild give you for just a pilot or first episode? What’s the maximum/minimum amount they will give you?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I'm going to be kickstarting this cartoon. By guild minimums, I mean I want to meet the minimum amount a person gets paid for their job. I want people to be able to work on this full-time and be paid a livable wage here.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ohhh sweet, that sounds very nice

            I’m not sure how the guild works so I’m not entirely sure if they operate only in Cali or if they can sponsor(?) works outside of the Cali area

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I'll be honest. I don't know much about the guild either, lol. I should be more involved.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Oh hey btw I'm the guy that recently followed you on Twitter. Interested to learn your knowledge of making animation independently. I'm trying to figure out the best way to go about producing animation by myself using a lot of cust cutting techniques

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What people in this thread have to remember is that the overwhelming majority of original cartoon pitches are dogshit like pic related or Boxtown or any one of those dozens of Kyle Carrozza
    "projects" that go nowhere. For every one of these the internet DOES see- or get turned into a kickstarter project that usually fails- there's four or five more boring hack job plans that get pitched to execs on a constant basis. I'm not justifying studios draining the Established IP Well dry, which also sucks, but the tragic truth is that almost all the people with inventive ideas are shitposting on anonymous boards or working a dead-end job while the people with the resources and connections and resume to even get to a position where they can make a pitch at all have all the creative energy of a wet paper towel. Truth is (and this goes well outside of just animation) the studio system is so broken and nepotistic, its production pipeline so convoluted, and its barriers to entry so overwhelming that it's unlikely that future generations will experience anything like that boom of good original cartoons from the late 80s-mid 00s ever again.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >For every one of these the internet DOES see- or get turned into a kickstarter project that usually fails- there's four or five more boring hack job plans that get pitched to execs on a constant basis
      that never get shown to anyone, or heard about afterwards. Sorry forgot to mention that part.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Going nuclear's on the industry's the best option, but even as we're seeing it slowly collapse what's taken its place is the same kind of people and the same kind of BS. How long do you think it will take before we see some big innovations on the indie front, most importantly in the pipeline and entry areas?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You say that, but I'm actually making a trailer for my animated series concept and small shorts are planned for YouTube all with limited animation

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Here's a recent thing I made

        ?si=_b8PoXS4BTvH3s8P

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I think it goes both ways. Some creatives are too focused on being an "ideas guy" more than anything instead of letting things sit in their head for more than a few seconds, but at the same time the the way the TV landscape functions doesn't really allow for experimentation and developing ideas beyond their initial concept. Even shows that started out really good (Ed, Edd n Eddy, for example) didn't have their best episodes until a few seasons in.

      I think executives should be more willing to go with weird ideas even if they sound kinda shit at first. It's not really about ideas, it's about execution.

      On that note, Kyle Carrozza has proven he's not really good at making cartoons so I think he shouldn't get another one.

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is he sadly our only hope?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Nah, his co-scriptwriter maybe...

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        He did say he's working exclusively animation after his next film, and the based things he said at the annies give me hope, he's going in the business to be a pro creator producer.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That's nice to hear.
          Still kinda peeved about what happened with his Redwall adaptation though.

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Be lightning in a bottle. If your show doesn't immediately explode with tons of views and online engagement, bordering on meme status, they'll deem your show a flop and do nothing to nurture it. We live in a world where companies value virality, and if you don't achieve that, they'd rather just try again with something else. Revival IPs work, because they're more likely to achieve said virality due to familiarity, existing fanbase, and nostalgia.

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Did you work for TLH?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I did! For two seasons. I was even in a cartoon!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks for answering. I'm a big fan of Lori.
        I noticed that, among your episodes, Lori only appeared in 2.5, with just one if you only count speaking appearances. Can you explain if the executives have/had any restrictions regarding her? My theory is that they wanted to do more Lori episodes in The Casagrandes but its crew decided to do more Carl and less Bobby episodes.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I have no idea. That question is probably above my pay grade. On the off chance I did get to pick a character for a scene, I went with whichever character fit the joke best. Usually, I would shove Paula in there because it was fun coming up with gags that kept her in the cast.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What's it take to get into writing for this stuff?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Thanks!
              I'm going indie for this project. Out of all my pitches, this one is my baby.

              [...]
              Talking and making friends with writers online and in real life and writing stories.

              Write scripts for your Original series pilot.

              I realize that probably isn't the answer you’d like. It's vague, bog-standard advice, but it's my best advice.

              My journey into the industry isn't a standard one. I shot from the hip and got lucky.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Won't the industry get mad at you for posting here? This isn't like 2011 anymore when Lauren Faust used to come over to Cinemaphile.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I have no idea, but I think they'd judge me more for the amount of Danhousen shirts I own.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                This is literally what most of the creators I talk to say about their industry journey

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I have a theory that either Paula often breaks her leg or her leg healed but she still uses the cast to cheat. Am I right?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            nta, but you can visit tlh threads here on Cinemaphile and, if you have a stomach, /trash/

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Was Luna's boyfriend originally going to be Sully?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          he was on way after that point doodeet you moron

  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I think your art looks fine. It's just tough right now to pitch a show. If Craig McCracken can't get one made, then that's rough.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks!
      I'm going indie for this project. Out of all my pitches, this one is my baby.

      What's it take to get into writing for this stuff?

      Talking and making friends with writers online and in real life and writing stories.

      Write scripts for your Original series pilot.

  50. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    behead all executives
    they contribute nothing to society

  51. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I dont know if you did it already but PLEASE add a big ass milf, like in Robotboy. Instant success.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      These are extremely old, but the bird with the hat is the best I got for you, dude.

      She’s like a hippy version of Aunt Martha from Sleepaway Camp.

  52. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Even McCracken can't get his new originals off the floor
    That isn't fun, but it is relatable which is cathartic.
    Also Hazbin Hotel doe.
    HAZBIN HOTEL ...
    DOE

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