Is the bloated, commodified 80s nostalgia really over?

Gen X bros, not like this...

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    yes it's time to move on to more 90s stuff and milk that for what it's worth

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      it's 90s nostalgia now get with the times grandpa

      Nah, the 80s nostalgia took up too much time. The 90s have always rumbled along in the background but it never really caught on and is pretty stale now.

      2000s nostalgia is where it's at. Zoomers love y2k shit. They're pretending to be emo and preppy 2000s teens on tiktok and shit:

      Millennials want to relive their teens, zoomers want to experience a decade in which they were too little to do so properly. Hollywood will capitalize on this.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        1990s music was also shit. 2000s music had Interpol, Muse, Ladytron. Crystal Castles. Yeah Yeah Yeahs.
        Who gets nostalgic for Nine Inch Nails? Gamers, maybe. But their nostalgia can be had in /vr/, not Cinemaphile.
        t. genx

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          90s music was great, you fricking gay.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Hanson slapped, Aaron Carter was shit.
            It was a mixed bag.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            90s sadhomosexual music cant step to 2010 kino

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Please. First, for blacks it was the end of anything other than shitty rap and all its offshoots, black people stopped playing instruments entirely and just ramble in front of a stolen beat.
            For whites they kept the instuments but lost the talent, and descended into shitty grunge where they basically play all their instrument like a down-syndrome child. At least the stolen beats in rap actually had some form of rhythm.

            Also the general culture was one of being whiny c**ts complaining all the time about how hard they had it; until life finally gave them something to cry about to the tune of two twins getting fricked so hard they died.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Who gets nostalgic for Nine Inch Nails
          Those of us who fricked goth girls to Closer playing in the background.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Who gets nostalgic for Nine Inch Nails?
          thats an 80s band by the way

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          The 90s was one of the best eras for music. Grunge, britpop, rave, rap, etc.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            All the britpop and alt rock bands were amazing. Radiohead in particular

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >90s was shit
          kys moron

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The 2010s basically blended 80s and 90s nostalgia together, we're in the 00s retro era now

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        y2k was already a thing in 2013 but it really blew up in 2020
        2022 is basically 2002 all over again in terms of fashion
        in a couple years it's gonna be true religion jeans and baby milo hood

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >true religion
          HAUUUUUGH

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >qt scene/“emo” girls might become more common again due to early 2k nostalgia
        fine by me!

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        00s had no culture of its own

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Avril Lavigne and RnB

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Bros...we have to fricking go back

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=1200&v=m504KHOtxQI&feature=youtu.be

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          soon brother

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Is this... Is this an average-looking girl with badly dyed hair making a stupid face?! Oh my god, so nostalgic, we definitely don't have a lot of this kind nowadays!

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >disgusting fried hair
          >greasy fricking face
          Lmao you zoomers are pathetic.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Don't talk about Hayley like that. Not cool.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            girls with greasy faces (they like it when you use the term "dewy") have really good poussy

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I'm so fricking glad the 2000s are over.
          I'm also glad the 80s, 90s and 2010s are over.
          I fricking hate nostalgia so much.
          The only thing I want to come back, but not for nostalgic reasons is self-harm entertainment in the style of jackass, because I wanna see how zoomers and their brittle bones fare.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            i like the 80s more than i like your posting

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        How painfully soulless is this girls idea of the 2000s? I'm scared to look up cause I just know it's going to be insufferable

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Millennials want to relive their teens, zoomers want to experience a decade in which they were too little to do so properly.
        accurate

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >zoomers fall in line with millennials because they’re terrified of missing out
          also accurate

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >2000s

        Frick no. Politically it may have been better than what we have now (pretty much everything would be better) but the actual aesthetic of that decade was fricking cancerous. Please kill me, I don't wanna relive the Big Brother / MTV / Pimp My Ride days.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The 2010s basically blended 80s and 90s nostalgia together, we're in the 00s retro era now

        Most people have no fricking idea anymore how the 90s really were, because its where pop culture really started to split off from reality.
        It'll be a "lost decade" for nostalgia, because people wont have movies that showed how life really was to form their manufactured nostalgia from.
        It'll be only the mid to late 2000s that will cause a nostalgia wave, becaue thats when normies started documenting their most crass exploits on social media like myspace.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Especially late 90s aesthetics will be far too complex to properly boil down to the lowest common denominator like they did with the 80s and now mid 2000s.
          So they'll just skip over it or mix it with late 2000s nostalgia aesthetics, because people wont give a frick.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            Most people have no fricking idea anymore how the 90s really were, because its where pop culture really started to split off from reality.
            It'll be a "lost decade" for nostalgia, because people wont have movies that showed how life really was to form their manufactured nostalgia from.
            It'll be only the mid to late 2000s that will cause a nostalgia wave, becaue thats when normies started documenting their most crass exploits on social media like myspace.

            Also digging up the 90s that were already a post-gender, post-sexuality and post-race society in theory would throw up too many questions for the race and sexuality baiting media that operates on the premise that everything before current day with pure evil, racist and sexist.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I did so many damn drugs at raves and the girls were so hot from all the dancing they did. I was at DEMF dancing on the floor for hours with this smoking hot girl in a skirt and a tube top and it was so humid, everyone was super sweaty and gross and the music built up and up and the beat dropped and it just started pouring rain and I was rolling so hard it felt like a baptism.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Whoa bro, how old are you? Did you already get sponge brain from the MDMA or was that an urban legend?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              I didn't eat MDMA like candy like some people did. I maybe did it a little over a dozen times total. I don't think I'm as sharp as I was when I was younger but I don't think my brain is totally fricked.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >DEMF bitd
            was that when movement was still free?
            would've been a hell of a party, i'm jelly anon
            >t. detroit techno lover

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah it was free and really insane. We had a room at a hotel and there were parties everywhere. My friend had a backpack full of northern lights and we just rode the elevator up and down and he was selling bags to people. Everytime the door would open DING he'd sell another bag, then we went to some rooms and we spun glowsticks in the dark and all the people tripping were hypnotized.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        B-B-BASED, can't wait for some 9/11 kino

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Man, the 2000s sucked for me. There were no scene or skater girls anywhere in my school, just preppy girls with the polo/plaid bermuda shorts combo and the occasional proto-tumblrina type.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Man, the 2000s sucked for me. There were no scene or skater girls anywhere in my school, just preppy girls with the polo/plaid bermuda shorts combo and the occasional proto-tumblrina type.
          Scene girls were a late 2000s/early 2010s thing.
          You're likely talking about emo girls, that predated scene girls and came at the tailend of the goth girl thing.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Do you live in a flyover state?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Central Texas.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              preppy in the south? I always figured that was more of a coastal thing.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, I didn't get it either.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                A lot of girls were obsessed with the California look and "lifestyle."

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              homie i lived in bumfrick rural panhandle of texas and there were a handful of "scene" girls.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Then you got lucky and I didn't.
                Simple as.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >scene girl
                >lucky
                Yeah gave me an STD that nearly killed me. Lucky catch. At least I worried less about covid when everyone shat their pants over it.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Wrap your whopper, kids.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Worst part is it was wrapped but one of the fun STD that dont give a shit about wrappers. I was bed ridden for two month with that shit. Got a bacterial Encephalitis out of it too on top of the viral infection.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                What the frick was it?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Herpes simplex encephalitis mixed with HFMD, also got chlamydia too. I basically had sores on my palms, feet and genital warts but not on my wiener but on my thighs where her pussy juice flowed onto.
                I got the full dose.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Goddamn man that's insane. And she had no symptoms or negative health effects at all?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                She had no symptoms or outbreak whatsoever. As far as I know also didnt get tested, but Im glad that is over. I did my due dilligence and told her I caught that shit from her, but she seemed more offended and insulted about the notion I could have caught that from her than anything.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Freaky man. I was already worried about STDs but everyone always says a condom is adequate for just about everything, now I don't know what to feel.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                She had no symptoms or outbreak whatsoever. As far as I know also didnt get tested, but Im glad that is over. I did my due dilligence and told her I caught that shit from her, but she seemed more offended and insulted about the notion I could have caught that from her than anything.

                >thot gives you a vicious illness and leaves you bed ridden for two months
                >still manages to make herself the victim
                every day i just get more depressed

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I don't understand this because things are literally the same as they've ever been since the late 90s.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >I don't understand this because things are literally the same as they've ever been since the late 90s.
          Did you miss out on social media? Literally biggest game-changer in prole entertainment in at least a century. Because proles became their own entertainment.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >prole
            shut the frick up commie your theories failed

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              I'm not using it in the commie sense. Just replace it with "pleb" or "unwashed masses" if that suits you more.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            plus you're not even correct because the people creating content on social media are rich priviliged buttholes and not remotely proletarian

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Was at the mall the other day and heard some 15ish teenagers talking about Y2K fashion, so you're definitely right. The thing I miss the most from the decade is what our version of futuristic looked like. I preferred the colorful, curvy aesthetic over the muted, flat look we've had more recently. Stuff like pic related and this:

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          You'll get that soon enough. Our current tech is just a better version of high-end 80s hifi aesthetics that spawned the late 90s bubble futurism because people were getting sick of black and grey brick aesthetics.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            zoomers dont know that when your walkman batteries would start to die the music would start playing slower

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >americans still used casette tapes in the late 90s
              Thats a big cultural disconnect for me, but also funny how those BIG region specific differences kinda stopped being a thing largely.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I bought one of these thinking it would be good for sampling and fricking sony deliberatly put some DRM shit on everything.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I like 90s nostalgia. It was the last fun loving decade. 2000's have it's cool things but it was a bit more bleak and cold since 9/11 officially ended the party. Then Apple reigned the 2010's with white iPod aesthetics.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          2040 or 2050 will be fricking terrible with zoomers self-stylizing themselves as having SURVIVED THE GREAT PANDEMIC, when in reality they just sat at home, played fornite and tugged their nuts and when they caught the rona they had the coughies for 5 days and were fine.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Dude, it's cute that you think zoomers aren't romanticizing the pandemic already. They are the children of Gen X. 50 year olds who grew up in the cushiest time on human history and think they went through some great struggle because they had a drill where they hid under a desk because of the nothingburger cold war hysteria.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >white iPod aesthetics
          Wasn't that the 2000s?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Wasn't that the 2000s?
            Sorta mid 2000s. Early 2000s were a transitional period where 80s tech, 90s tech and 2000s tech all weirdly coexisted.
            Mid 2000s to late 2000s was tech monopoly consolidation.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            while anon should've said white iphone aesthetics, i would say the bland corporate minimalism of apple has become the defacto visual language of "cool" in the 2010s
            a lot of this ties into refinement culture, which has been going on for two decades now

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              I'd say apple hasn't been cool anymore since the 2010s. It's utalitarian.
              In the late 2000s only hip urbanites owned apple items. Now your grandma is watching youtube on her ipad and texting her friends on her iphone.
              It has become a normal household appliance.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Macbooks from the 2000s still look pretty modern too. I'm also surprised by the specs, a lot had 256GB (pr bigger) SSDs and most laptop makers didn't start adopting SSDs until the mid 10s because of cost reasons (and even then it was often that shitty eMMC kind). The cost of a 256GB in 2010 for example was $500 or more while now you can get them for under $80.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            while anon should've said white iphone aesthetics, i would say the bland corporate minimalism of apple has become the defacto visual language of "cool" in the 2010s
            a lot of this ties into refinement culture, which has been going on for two decades now

            I remember how Star Trek 2009 famously had the ipod aesthetic. Everyone commented on it. Like the 80s had Cyberpunk. Late 2000s to probably maybe now we have ipodpunk

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >Like the 80s had Cyberpunk
              The 80s had blade runner. And that was it.
              I dont know why people hold up CYBERPUNK as this very 80s thing. A bunch of back then obscure anime had that aesthetic and blade runner. johnny mnemonic was already the 90s.
              Was there any other big budget cyberpunk movie other than blade runner? Like one where it isnt a stretch like robocop, which was just scifi.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Cyberpunk felt a lot more 90s than 80s to me, especially because of the more grunge than punk style to things. Even the cars look more like 90s landbarges than 80s cars.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Was there any other big budget cyberpunk movie other than blade runner?
                according to wikipedia, which means you cant argue
                Escape from New York (1981)[40][41]
                Burst City (1982)[42]
                Tron (1982)[43]
                Blade Runner (1982)[44]
                Brainstorm (1983)[45]
                Videodrome (1983)[46]
                Repo Man (1984)
                The Terminator (1984)
                Brazil (1985)
                RoboCop (1987)[47]
                The Running Man (1987)
                Gunhed (1989)[48]
                Tetsuo: The Iron Man (1989)

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Escape from New York (1981)[40][41]
                Not cyberpunk
                >Burst City (1982)[42]
                never heard of it.
                >Tron (1982)[43]
                not cyberpunk
                >Blade Runner (1982)[44]
                Yeah.
                >Brainstorm (1983)[45]
                absolutely not cyberpunk
                >Videodrome (1983)[46]
                not cyberpunk
                >Repo Man (1984)
                not cyberpunk
                >The Terminator (1984)
                Is any scifi made in the 80s cyberpunk now?
                >Brazil (1985)
                Thats just terry gilliam doing scifi dystopia.
                >RoboCop (1987)[47]
                not cyberpunk
                >The Running Man (1987)
                Also just scifi dsytopia
                >Gunhed (1989)[48]
                low budget scifi
                >Tetsuo: The Iron Man (1989)
                Thats body horror.

                Funny they didnt even include streets of fire in their list, which I would have expected.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                theres nothing cyberpunk about repo man

                Repo Man really doesn't seem very cyberpunk, there was nothing techy or futuristic about it at all. It was just 80s LA.

                well, take it to the wikipedia talk page then jej

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I would but the troony jannies on there are worse than on Reddit.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                theres nothing cyberpunk about repo man

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Repo Man really doesn't seem very cyberpunk, there was nothing techy or futuristic about it at all. It was just 80s LA.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Brainstorm (1983
                underrated kino, imo

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Saying the 80s had cyberpunk is saying the 1880s had "steampunk"

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I'm so glad this garbage died off.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Did it? Glad to hear.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                They went from millions of views on YouTube to barely getting 30k.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                All the cyberpunk shit was created in the 80's and early 90's.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >All the cyberpunk shit was created in the 80's and early 90's.
                Other than blade runner, what cyberpunk shit are you talking about?
                People in the 80s watched Alf and not "badass cyberpunk THE SERIES", thats such a missrepresentation of the 80s.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                The fact that so many girls larp is crazy to me

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >everyone always saying fricking 2000s is the next nostalgic era
        Fricking how? Society basically stagnated pretty early on in the 2000s. Seriously you could take someone from 2005 and stick them in a room today and they wouldnt look that out of place. Meanwhile if you took someone from 1975 and stuck them in 1985 they would stick out like a sore thumb.

        And that b***h on the car would not look out of place whatsoever walking down the street these days. All this text and none of it really touching on what makes the early 2000s drastically different than today. Pic related is your "John Tucker Must Die" and oh wow it doesnt look too drastically different than people these days. Thanks for proving my point Black person.

        what the frick is happening?
        I could barely stomach the 80s nostalgia, altho I can kinda understand it, because it was a time of great optimism and creativity.
        but 2000s nostalgia? what the frick?
        what was even there to be nostalgic about?
        pretty sure that from around 2001 onward, western civilization was already stagnating hard.
        also, maybe it's just a coincidence, but the more internet becomes widespread, the more culture becomes stagnating degenerate shit. internet on phones was probably the worst thing to happen, because most people are just garbage who didn't deserve to be on the internet at all.

        Because 2000s nostalgia isnt a fricking thing. Its just a small subset of zoomers trying to "front run" or be "trail blazers" on the latestest trend. It wont catch on.

        >helicopter parenting
        i’m 25. when me and my siblings were teens my parents got us all iphones and forced us to use the “find my friend” feature (constant GPS tracking). the amount of arguments my mam and sister had because hers conveniently stopped working sometimes…

        Millennials are the only generation that hates their teen years because they've been psyoped into hating themselves by Gen X and Boomers.

        The 2000s had many aesthetics. One of them was McBling. Look it up:

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          god that sucks i hate this post

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Millennials are the only generation that hates their teen years because they've been psyoped into hating themselves by Gen X and Boomers
          Now this is a whole lot of stupid that I just don't know how to unpack.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Millennials tricked themselves into hating their teen years. Have you not heard the phrase "le wrong generation" before? Every kid in highschool would try and act cool by liking older stuff like Queen and the ones that were modern did the whole emo/scene thing with the skunk hair and ridiculous israeliteelry.

          Even I was one of those douchebags that thought they were cool for liking The Smiths in highschool.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I didn't really enjoy Queen or other older music until I was older. In high school it was mostly pop punk, ska, and various other subgenres of rock. Favorite band back then was The Hives.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Scene girls were shit and I hope I don't have to see that shit return again. Enduring it once was bad enough.
        rawr *holds up spork!!333!11*

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        90's nostalgia fails because all it is is 80's culture but everyone dressed like they were poor and Radical got replaced by XTREME! Also the music was far fricking worse, though haircuts were better,

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        what the frick is this

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Zoomer genes

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >2008
        It's crazy because youtube was already there by that time so it was much more documented than earlier decades

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >I DECIDE WHEN TRENDS END AND TRENDS BEGIN

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >boomer facebook meme

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Reddit the post

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I remember when the cool thing was to shit on the 80s, we were right

      >80s nostalgia bad

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Of course not. 80s nostalgia will never end.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The ~~*press*~~ hates the 80s because we were racist as a society

      Patty Jenkins killed 80s nostalgia

      The 2010s basically blended 80s and 90s nostalgia together, we're in the 00s retro era now

      Yep, only the 90s nostalgia was relatively tiny compared to the 80s that's why people still think that 90s nostalgia is coming up. Anyway, the fact is, the 2000s are now being seen as a decade of fun and excess.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Patty Jenkins killed 80s nostalgia
        No, but she sure gave it a good try.

        Watching 80's movies I long for that time, despite not having lived through it, 90's forwards is just slowly sliding into the shitty society we have now.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >90's forwards is just slowly sliding into the shitty society we have now.
          We're so overdue for a massive war or conflict it's unreal. Society will decline further until we "reset" as a society and get our shit calibrated. Post-WWII was the peak in recent history. It all is downhill since. At least the 80s had so much promise with the tech sector ramping up.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This. The '80s is the decade which invented modern commerce as we know it. And we're addicted to it. As long as we remain addicted, the '80s will be the holy grail of consooming. We're not even celebrating the '80s anymore, we're celebrating the modern version of it. We'll never let it go.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The part on the right is just the hyperreality media people in the 80s consumed. Its also not what the 80s looked like.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          pedantry the post

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Well its an important point unless you are only defined by the media you consume.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              And the pic in the quote is demonstrating the flawed, revisionist '80s hyperreality adopted by modern culture on the left, so it's a fair comparison.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        90% of left is 80s revival style. Revival is not the same as "this is what x actually looked like". It's a new style taking inspiration from the thing it's "reviving".

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >we
        >we
        >we
        nah bro, (You)

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Explain everything then

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            nah bro. 80's revival is way past its expiration date, but there's nothing new under the sun. Everything will circulate again, under the guise of being new.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              I wish 50s or 60s revival would happen.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                there was 50s nostalgia in the 70s and early 80s re: happy days

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                It seems incredibly short lived in comparison. Somehow 80s music has stayed constantly popular with no signs of ever slowing down, which I find really weird.

                I wish something new would happen rather than rehashes of rehashes of rehashes ad infinitum.

                The last century or so has more or less just repeated over and over when it comes to culture, it's just that it becomes a worse and worse copy of itself with each generation.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Somehow 80s music has stayed constantly popular with no signs of ever slowing down, which I find really weird.
                it was legitimately a golden age, and not just in america, UK, japanese, italian music was all GOAT in taht decade
                my theory is the lack of any major wars and a revival of human spirit that came with the end of leaded gasoline

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                60s/70s were the music golden age you mong. 80s were commercialized as frick

                Also the leaded gasoline thing only applied to babies who came after Gen X were leaded gas morons

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >60s/70s were the music golden age
                >posts whiteman blues wank
                cream fricking blows
                each genre has its own golden age, but the 80s were the peak of "popular music"
                prince > marvin gaye

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                yeah and then he goes off saying leaded gas came after gen x that guy is a fricking moron

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                True. Italy basically disappeared from the music charts and popular culture after the 80s, as did a lot of foreign countries. Japanese music was also at absolute peak during the 80s.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Ryuichi Sakamoto

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >The last century or so has more or less just repeated over and over when it comes to culture, it's just that it becomes a worse and worse copy of itself with each generation.
                Tell me about it, it's like no one cares to be original anymore. Especially in this culture climate, people are rewarded for being cookie cutters in entertainment, so why would anyone bother to exert any effort in being original when everyone else surrounding that form of expression is just going to rip them off? I hate what has become of the entertainment industry.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                It a lot of ways it just feels like we've peaked and there are no new ideas left to explore and that everything moving forward will just be based off something from the past. At best we'll explore things that were overlooked completely in the past and expand on them, but that's about all we can really hope for.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I don't get how people can be content with this.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I never said it was what I wanted but it's the reality of the situation.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >It a lot of ways it just feels like we've peaked and there are no new ideas left to explore
                Hahahaha.
                Fricking bullshit btw.
                In the 90s it kinda looked like with mainstream success of stuff like reservoir dogs or the matrix and even anime like ghost in the shell that mainstream pop culture was finally ready to explore less square concepts.

                And then it went all back to the monotone bland one-note simplistic movie making of the 80s because half-ironic half-desperate gen x longing for the shitty movies they watched when they were kids
                >DUDE DO YOU REMEMBER EPIC MOVIES LMAO HE PUNCHED A DINOSAUR
                As much as people don't like to hear it, the CONSTANT bombardment of capeshit is just the seeds of moronic blockbuster entertainment that were planted in the 80s coming to fruition.
                The 80s were full of "franchise building" attempts that fell flat or were short lived because executives believed pop culture needed a bigger turnover rate to keep people watching.
                Endless capeshit is just them going for the long game and keeping idiots who'd consume anything anyways hooked indefinitely.
                It's basically the promise of the 80s delivered.
                >more star wars
                >more superheroes

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I disagree, there's so much new stuff out there. Just because it doesn't set box office record or whatever doesn't mean its not there

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I wish something new would happen rather than rehashes of rehashes of rehashes ad infinitum.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I remember when the cool thing was to shit on the 80s, we were right

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Stranger Things Season 4 obliterates Netflix’s biggest premiere record
    >https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/stranger-things-season-4-obliterates-netflixs-biggest-premiere-record-4238115

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >believing israeliteflix numbers

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This is like me claiming I've had sex with thousands of women without offering any proof at all.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, no way this is the final season, specially after their stock price crashed

      Netflix will find a way to keep milking that millenial nostalgia cow

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        5 is supposed to be the final
        But it'll get 20 episodes and be split 5A, 5B over a 2 year period

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    it's 90s nostalgia now get with the times grandpa

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The ~~*press*~~ hates the 80s because we were racist as a society

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >we were racist as a society
      no
      just realistic

  7. 2 years ago
    I moustache you a question

    Cannot wait to wear some red ankle length chinos, some navy Toms / red Vans, striped t shirt with cotton waistcoat and a straw trilby hat bros

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >80s nostalgia really over?
    The4y gotta hide that shit form the new generations so kids won't know what they missed out on.
    Can't fathom coming of age in a generation with no future. Frick

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Feels that way because they are lazy and release 8 eps every 2 years

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    nasty little muttoids

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >zoomers call the 2000s "y2k" and "early 2000s"
    y2k is 97-02 and early 00s is 00-04 you frickheads
    emo was popular 05-08, it was not y2k or early 2000s

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      ah go shit in a bucket

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Emo really started picking up in the late 90s.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Emo really started picking up in the late 90s.
        They're just nihilistic goths rebranded by the media. Nothing new.
        t. old gay

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Emo rock and goth aren't the same

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >EMO ROCK
            >ROCK
            AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH JUST USE GOOGLE YOU moronS

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Emo is literally mid 80s invention you dumb fricking Black person. Whiny pop punk isn't emo have a nice day AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHBB

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >everyone always saying fricking 2000s is the next nostalgic era
    Fricking how? Society basically stagnated pretty early on in the 2000s. Seriously you could take someone from 2005 and stick them in a room today and they wouldnt look that out of place. Meanwhile if you took someone from 1975 and stuck them in 1985 they would stick out like a sore thumb.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Truth. I feel the mid-90s were only subtly different from most of the 2000s. The decline was starting at that point, we knew the 80s wonderment vibe was dead. Grunge sucked so much dick. I guess the internet was at fault in this escalation.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        First couple soundgarden albums rocked.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Some teens today, though they were born in the year 2000 or shortly after, crave to go back in time and experience the era just out of their grasp. They feel, like so many young people before them have, like they missed out on the best time by just a decade or two.

      >To relive the Y2K era, they run Instagram accounts like @2000sluv, @2000sjournals, @00sfreak, and @y2ktrashy and more, all stocked with a mix of content culled from the early aughts — vacuuming up paparazzi pics, screen grabs, magazine pullouts, and catalog clips. They worship the early 2000s style and maintain an encyclopedic knowledge of 2000s pop culture. On YouTube, they vlog themselves “living in the 2000s for a day” or for the weekend.

      >“You know when you’re a little girl, and you play role model games? It’s like that but for teenagers, you’re playing dress up,” said Victoria Johnson, 19, who runs @y2khottie.

      >But because Y2K fans were babies or not even born yet, their perception of the early 2000s is shaped almost entirely by movies and media that paint a glossy image of the often fraught and anxiety filled experience of being a teenager.

      >Nicole Randone, 19, who runs @miss2005, watched early 2000s teen movies like “A Cinderella Story” and “John Tucker Must Die.”

      >“When I saw these TV shows when I was little, I was like, ‘I can’t wait to grow up and be just like that,’ I saw those characters as what I wanted to be,” she said. Movies and shows about teenage life today, she said, are too dark and depressing.

      >By the time Nicole entered her teenage years, the world had been upended by smartphones and social media. The culture was radically different. “The early 2000s were all about having fun and expressing your individuality. In today’s world, everything and everyone is taken so seriously,” said Nicole.

      tl;dr: you're just too old to tell the difference.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Movies and shows about teenage life today, she said, are too dark and depressing.
        She ain't wrong.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          zoomers fetishize mental illness, depression etc for the aesthetic so that'scwhat Hollywood keeps feeding them.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        And that b***h on the car would not look out of place whatsoever walking down the street these days. All this text and none of it really touching on what makes the early 2000s drastically different than today. Pic related is your "John Tucker Must Die" and oh wow it doesnt look too drastically different than people these days. Thanks for proving my point Black person.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          yeah and most of the outfits on Friends, hell even ST, would look normal today

          tshirts and jeans has been the go-to clothing for men for ~50 years

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Most of the outfits in sitcoms and hollywood movies already looked unnatural and 5 to 10 years behind the curve in the 90s.
            Especially when they had 30 year olds acting as teenagers in the movies.
            Totally manufactured and far away from the pulse of the zeigeist even back then.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      i feel like as time progresses on, there are fewer and fewer cultural touchstones that can help point to "the spirit of th era"
      this is particularly present after the 2008 financial crisis, as we've become stuck, culturally. 2010s has basically no identifying style or hallmarks, just rehashing previous decades.

      we're basically in a cultural ouroboros

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Its actually we are over-saturated with cultural touchstones. Too much media makes it hard to latch on.

        Sadly the 2010s biggest touchstone is the MCU

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Its actually we are over-saturated with cultural touchstones.
          This. Every critics called every major movies or series as "classic" or "the best thing since x" so easily, while not even 3 months later people forgot it even exists, its weird. Some FOMO mentality shit.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The phrase "instant classic" is always funny to me.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >This. Every critics called every major movies or series as "classic" or "the best thing since x" so easily, while not even 3 months later people forgot it even exists, its weird. Some FOMO mentality shit.

            My brother's friends are like this. Squid Game came out, for 2 weeks it was the greatest thing that humanity ever created, now I doubt they even remember it exists.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >we are over-saturated with cultural touchstones
          no, we are over-saturated with media, so much so that the torrent of information makes it impossible to actually latch onto anything new.
          people seek comfort and familiarity; i would argue that these media products exist in their own hermetic universe, which may have almost nothing to do with the outside world (e.g Mad Men, Breaking Bad, Wire, etc) and wouldn't feed into how people act, dress, or interact with the world around them

          i think this ties into the fact that subcultures splinter off infinitessimaly with the advent of the internet, and as such, there's no real "counter-culture", or a general culture to pit itself in opposition to. basically the only real counter culture that exists are gangs

          you're right about the MCU unfortunately

          Because this whole "every decade has a culture" shit is a fricking scam and you all fell for it, everybody fuxking fell for it. It's bullshit to make you consume and make you nostalgic so that you consume more, from 2000s and even more 2010s they went fricking smart with it and played more with the nostalgia because the Gen Xs and Millenials were getting older and will understand tech less and less.
          >M-m-muh cultural ouroboros
          Lol goddamn fricking morons 80s kids or 00s kids we all live in practically the same era ? Or are we ?
          Do you think people back in the Renaissance or Classical music era made up cultural differences between people based on decades ? No you fricking Black person, when you listen to classical music you don't say "oh it's real 1780s music, way better than 1760s music" no moron you compare from century to century
          You're all consoomers
          We need to go back

          except there were plenty of renaissace-era composers, like William Byrd, who adapted and mastered a number of styles, especially considering the rate of cultural acceleration at the time.
          recorded media has been a thing for over a century now, so yes, there has always been plenty to go back and consoom; but society has never been as retrospective as it is during the last decade. why has nostalgia taken hold far more than it ever did in previous decades?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Because this whole "every decade has a culture" shit is a fricking scam and you all fell for it, everybody fuxking fell for it. It's bullshit to make you consume and make you nostalgic so that you consume more, from 2000s and even more 2010s they went fricking smart with it and played more with the nostalgia because the Gen Xs and Millenials were getting older and will understand tech less and less.
        >M-m-muh cultural ouroboros
        Lol goddamn fricking morons 80s kids or 00s kids we all live in practically the same era ? Or are we ?
        Do you think people back in the Renaissance or Classical music era made up cultural differences between people based on decades ? No you fricking Black person, when you listen to classical music you don't say "oh it's real 1780s music, way better than 1760s music" no moron you compare from century to century
        You're all consoomers
        We need to go back

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Read your post again and please see how moronic you sound.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            How about you learn to fricking read homosexual, this whole "cutting eras by decades" shit is incredibly moronic and I'm tired of pretending it's not

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Not that guy but you can literally see the differences in decades like the 70s and 80s. I honestly dont understand why you are pretending like it doesnt exist.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                The differences are made-up consoomer bullshit, someone born 100 years wouldn't fricking see the difference between the 70s and the 80s, and people in the future will barely make the differenece either. What's the cultural differences between the 1880s and 1890s ? Don't google it.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Your point is irrelevant since we arent fricking living 100 years in the future or past. Fact is people these days can definitely distinguish between 80s and 70s culture. It doesnt make a frick if its because of "consooomer goooods" making the distinction possible.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                The cultural differences are extremely superficial when you take a step back is my point

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >What's the cultural differences between the 1880s and 1890s ?
                what if I told you that
                societal and cultural changes are waaaay faster now compared to the 1800s?
                the faster communication is, the faster ideas spread
                in the 1700s you could wait 30 years before a cultural item was known in all of Europe.
                now you can have one shitty thing on the internet be seen from every fricking person on Earth in real time.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >societal and cultural changes are waaaay faster now compared to the 1800s?
                >the faster communication is, the faster ideas spread
                >in the 1700s you could wait 30 years before a cultural item was known in all of Europe.
                >now you can have one shitty thing on the internet be seen from every fricking person on Earth in real time.

                This is true, but not completely - someone in 1890 for example would be aware of what cars were even if they'd never seen one, and would probably own a phonograph. 1880s person wouldn't know what a car was and probably wouldn't even know what a phonograph was, much less own one.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                edison cylinders weren't even on the market until the mid 1890s, so no, most people didn't own a gramaphone. of course nobody would've heard of it in 1880

                >while i agree that the decades don't begin and end with the decades, i feel like the manson murders were a hard stop for the 60s and were the ultimate symbol of the end of innocence and the fragmentation of counter-culture.

                You're not wrong on that, but some of the hippie fashions carried over into the early 70s.

                >You're not wrong on that, but some of the hippie fashions carried over into the early 70s.
                no doubt, but disco carried on with gays on fire island well into the 80s. doesn't mean that it wasn't dead as a dodo for the majority of america when 1980 rolled around. come to think of it, the cominsky park disco demolition in '79 was also the death of the spirit of the era in another sense. the sort of demographic disenfranchised by disco played a huge part in reagan being elected, which is basically the genesis of the 80s as a decade.

                not to speculate too wildly, but so many of these cultural shifts are driven by groups of "cutlural actors" so to speak, where the tide of culture is shifted by the opposition realising how much power they have, and culture played a big part in that. the 90s saw the ultimate success of neoliberal ideology with the fall of the USSR, and as such, we're basically stuck in a monoculture. The distinctions between major political parties became more and more pointless. i think culture has fallen by the wayside in terms of social importance, while it's skyrocketed in terms of how people spend their time. since trump was elected, this has become particularly obvious. people both on the far left and the far right (the political vanguard of either side) decried culture as meaningless and a waste of time, people needed to focus on being "political" instead. meanwhile normies are increasingly inundated with more content; more music, more television, more movies than they could ever hope to consume - and they think its apolitical, despite the beige political consensus all this media arrives at.

                pic related is probably the most realistic and incisive critique of american society at large, but most of this board just blindly cheers on the egotistical psychopath at the helm

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >we're basically stuck in a monoculture
                We really aren't. That's only the case if you're a media addict who defines decades by how they are portrayed in movies and tv shows.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                That's what I'm saying since the beginning. Consoomer shit

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                i would say the invention of the internet, and particularly social media, has completely changed and flattened everything
                it's collapsed the distinction between public and private life. it's completely changed the way everyone interacts with each other. it's changed the way people people talk; memes and basketball-american speak were first the lingua franca of the internet; now they're how everyone talks, on or offline

                >we're basically stuck in a monoculture
                The complete opposite. Decades like the 80s had more of a monoculture. Now it's shsttered and everyone is in their own little niche.

                i maintain my point. like

                >Decades like the 80s had more of a monoculture.
                Absolutely not true. The 80s had tons of subcultures. Its just that most of that went largely undocumented by mass media.

                said, 80s had a lot of genuine subcultures; punk and metal were genuine refuges for social outcasts and people opposed to general society. graffitti and skateboarding were in their second decade, and really came into their own as outlets. hip hop was still a street thing, still the domain of drug dealers, gangsters and hustlers. this continued on as culture splintered even further in the 90s; people lived as ravers, as slackers, etc. i can't pinpoint exactly when or how it happened, but the surface level aesthetics sluiced off and the actual cultures died out. now you have people latching onto these aesthetics (tiktok "goths", y2k cosplayers, etc). they all interact the same way, they all act and talk and think the same, no matter how "subcultural" they present on the outside

                Well yeah, but the 80s also had a larger monoculture. Something that almost everyone took part in. We don't have that now. It's a very rare thing when there's a TV show that everyone watches.

                >It's a very rare thing when there's a TV show that everyone watches
                my point is the actual cultural products don't matter at all anymore. they don't "mean" things to people in the same way they did in the 80s. hell, music is basically background noise for zoomers at this point.
                i would say its not the products, but the platforms. everyone watches netflix. everyone listens to music on spotify. every zoomer uses tiktok. it presents the illusion of choice, but its the lense through which everyone experiences life and it shapes the way music, television and movies are made, and it definitely shapes how people think and act

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >we're basically stuck in a monoculture
                The complete opposite. Decades like the 80s had more of a monoculture. Now it's shsttered and everyone is in their own little niche.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Decades like the 80s had more of a monoculture.
                Absolutely not true. The 80s had tons of subcultures. Its just that most of that went largely undocumented by mass media.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Well yeah, but the 80s also had a larger monoculture. Something that almost everyone took part in. We don't have that now. It's a very rare thing when there's a TV show that everyone watches.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Most people that arent complete fricking nerds just watched TV shows the same as netflix shows, something to talk about at the water cooler and immediately forget about it.
                It was always weird nerds who were most detached from reality that kept obsessig over stuff like that when real life happened outside of watching movies and tv shows.
                If anything things really started getting a bit warped in the late 2000s with social media and people globally documenting themselves on a larger scale. If anything that caused the general aesthetics getting a bit more into prole territory from popular kids in highschool being enabled to air their poor choices in style and taste globally.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                i really don't get the point you're arguing
                the way we identify culture is by modes of dress, attitudes, language, etc - and so much of this is dictated by social circumstances and economic realities, yes, including "consoomer bullshit". you want to write off what life was actually like and how people spent their time and interacted with each other because material goods were involved?

                anyway HBO's new flagship show is set in the 70s, particularly honing in on the intersection of feminism, sexual liberation and the changing nature of capitalism in the USA. and yes, how the characters dress and the way the sets are designed are a huge part of maintaining that

                [...]

                In fairness its not like decades begin and end culturally precisely at the beginning and end of the decade, and there's always a few years of overlap.

                Culturally:

                "The 50s" = 1945-1964
                "The 60s" = 1963-1973
                "The 70s" = 1971-1982
                "The 80s" = 1981-1994
                "The 90s" = 1992-2003
                "The 00s" = 2001-20012

                while i agree that the decades don't begin and end with the decades, i feel like the manson murders were a hard stop for the 60s and were the ultimate symbol of the end of innocence and the fragmentation of counter-culture.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >while i agree that the decades don't begin and end with the decades, i feel like the manson murders were a hard stop for the 60s and were the ultimate symbol of the end of innocence and the fragmentation of counter-culture.

                You're not wrong on that, but some of the hippie fashions carried over into the early 70s.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Alright you got a point

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Jake johnson
                His name isn't israeli, but he looks 110% israeli, what gives ?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Because his real name is Mark Weinberger

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Read your post again and please see how moronic you sound.

              fellas chill the frick out lmao, your posts are so aggressive

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Not that guy but you can literally see the differences in decades like the 70s and 80s. I honestly dont understand why you are pretending like it doesnt exist.

              In fairness its not like decades begin and end culturally precisely at the beginning and end of the decade, and there's always a few years of overlap.

              Culturally:

              "The 50s" = 1945-1964
              "The 60s" = 1963-1973
              "The 70s" = 1971-1982
              "The 80s" = 1981-1994
              "The 90s" = 1992-2003
              "The 00s" = 2001-20012

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Early internet era. Had clique culture like goth, emo, punk. Video games were pretty soulful too, Gamecube and PS2 and the like

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I felt like the 80s nostalgia was ramped up way too much in seasons 2 and 3. Season 1 felt like a show set in the 80s, season 2 and 3 felt like a show about the 80s if you get what I’m saying. Is season 4 even worse at this?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No, season 4 is more like 1 in that regard. Definitely none of the stupid shit like "lol New Coke amirite?" from 3. Now that I think about it I don't really remember there being a lot of blatant product placement like the other seasons either, it's probably there but not like it was in 2 and 3.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I mean 4 sucked off Kate Bush for a major plot element. And to a lesser extent they did the same thing with JIF peanut butter.

        It felt more natural than the New Coke scene but barely.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Jif?
          Only morons eat jif.
          Its like the miracle whip of peanut butter

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Well it's been going on since Donnie Darko...

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    wait have they not moved into the 90s yet?? Never watched this show but it's been in the 80s since the start no?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >wait have they not moved into the 90s yet??
      This was the decade kids stopped playing outside and going on adventures around the neighborhood. Can't imagine how'd you'd make that work. I think helicopter parenting started about that time.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        People still played outside a lot in the 90s anon, but you're right that the 90s is when helicopter parenting got big.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >helicopter parenting
          i’m 25. when me and my siblings were teens my parents got us all iphones and forced us to use the “find my friend” feature (constant GPS tracking). the amount of arguments my mam and sister had because hers conveniently stopped working sometimes…

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >helicopter parenting
          now we have attack helicopter parenting lmao
          but when i was growing up in the 90s we didn't go outside much because there wasn't much to do in our neighborhood. our street was bordered by a highway, making it unsafe to ride our bikes more than a few hundred feet up and down the street. you can thank the highway expansion projects in the USA for making lots of streets like this - cut off from the wider community. there were only two other kids on our block & one was a homosexual (though he was a nice kid).
          my little brother and i gravitated toward our computers for these reasons & were the first kids in our school to have the internet in the mid 90s. i graduated in the early 00s & was one of the only kids at my high school with the internet even when i was 18

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Every decade is the decade everything gotnto shit apparently lol you guys already sound like boomers

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The whole show has taken place over only a few years, which is why it's so glaring how old everyone looks in it now.
      S1 - 11/6/83
      S2 - 10/28/84
      S3 - 6/28/85
      S4 - 3/21/86

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    idk i like 80s stuff but i was born in 93

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah idk why but 80s nostalgia seems to be able to capture everybody even zoomies born in the 2000s. I was born in 95 and feel zero nostaliga for the 90s or 2000s, yet something about the 80s seem comfy.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        That's because tech kind of peaked in the 80's. The 60s and 70s brought the idea that it's cheaper just to replace everything every few months and people got sick of it so in the 80s they start to actually make shit that lasted. Because of that you have almost 4 generations growing up with shit that was made in the 80's and still going strong.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >That's because tech kind of peaked in the 80's. The 60s and 70s brought the idea that it's cheaper just to replace everything every few months and people got sick of it so in the 80s they start to actually make shit that lasted. Because of that you have almost 4 generations growing up with shit that was made in the 80's and still going strong.
          That's a bizarre statement. The 80s to the 2000s saw the end of the vynil record, the rise of the walkman, the rise of the cd, the rise of vhs, the end of vhs, the end of cd, the rise of mp3, the rise of dvd. the rise and fall of microcomputers like the c64, the amiga, the rise of console gaming, the rise of the internet, the personal computer, the iMac, the mobile phone, the rise and fall of the pager.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous
  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    80s nostalgia has been a thing for 20+ years now. Its definitely passed its peak, but will never die completely. It's the most kino decade - positive futurism, good music and films, and it was the decade where video games got big.

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Smartphones really fricking ruined the world and I'm not joking around or being hyperbolic. Those things turned the world to shit, I fricking hate them combined with normies getting the internet. Frick it all to shit, really. I'd support a fricking jihad against this crap

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      We'll take it back soon bro

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        tell me how/when I'll sign up right now

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >first season came out in 2016
    >its 2022
    >the show was in like 1984
    >the show is still in the 80s despite it being in 1990
    > every kid looks old as frick

    why not just make it older? like the on kid has an evil dead poster which no one wouldve had because the movie was a massive bomb and didnt find a following till like 1994?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >evil dead wasnt mainstream until the 90s so this nerdy kid who is into DnD wouldnt have liked it because reasons
      Anon...what a fricking reach. Evil Dead existed then, you are complaining about something that is possible. Also, as far as them looking too old, BCS does the exact same shit, but even worse.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        it didnt reach popularity until well after the 80s man. even in its state at best most people were fans of evil dead 2 or army of darkness. no one had a fricking evil dead poster and most certainly not a kid

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Im not disagreeing but its still something thats possible. Im sure there actually were kids back then who were into Evil Dead. Even more so kids who were into "counter culture" shit like DnD.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Anyone who read Fangoria would have known about it.

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    why didnt they make it a fricking anthology?? it was their original idea and it would have been so much better. if they wanted to keep members of the cast, they still could have done so while keeping the series an anthology. WTF

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    what the frick is happening?
    I could barely stomach the 80s nostalgia, altho I can kinda understand it, because it was a time of great optimism and creativity.
    but 2000s nostalgia? what the frick?
    what was even there to be nostalgic about?
    pretty sure that from around 2001 onward, western civilization was already stagnating hard.
    also, maybe it's just a coincidence, but the more internet becomes widespread, the more culture becomes stagnating degenerate shit. internet on phones was probably the worst thing to happen, because most people are just garbage who didn't deserve to be on the internet at all.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Because 2000s nostalgia isnt a fricking thing. Its just a small subset of zoomers trying to "front run" or be "trail blazers" on the latestest trend. It wont catch on.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Yes it is you're just a bullied millenial that had his worse years in the 2000s and don't wan't to relive the years that made you a loser so much you still roam Cinemaphile to this day like a fricking wienerroach
        Trust me I'm a zoomer I feel the same about the 2010s and I'll be seething like a goddamn rageaholic maniac when 2030s kids will start being nostalgic about the 2010s

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Except you are dead fricking wrong. I would argue i peaked in Highschool. You have plenty of posts in this very thread discussing why 2000s nostalgia isnt really a thing.

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I think 80s nostalgia may never truly go away just because we're so culturally stagnant that a bunch of shit from 40 years ago is still relevant, if only because major corporations will dredge up whatever they can for cheap good will with their audience when it comes to tv, movies and advertising
    Stranger Things in particular seems like it's well past it's expiration date, I have no idea who's still tuning into this shit to watch these late teens pretend to care about Ghostbusters and The Noid

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Give us 2000s nostalgia with cute emo and scene girls

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Some of the girls were cute but the scene actually wasn't very good. The bands are very niche and very samey and the screamo is super cringe.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >tfw was in a screamo band and was actually popular in my city
        I secretly hated the genre but popularity gets you through the door. I also filled the lyrics with references to fans being morons for liking such a shitty genre.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I still love your work Derrick

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    More stuff needs to be set before the 00's because cell phones are an instant communication that completely destroys tension.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I've agreed with this sentiment for a while now. I think having something in the early 2000's would also be fine because you can do interesting things with old cellular devices, especially with how disposable they were.

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Zoomers aren't nostalgic: they're romantic. Nostalgia only occurs from experience; romanticism from lack of it.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >nostalgia comes from experience
      Plenty of people who didnt experience the 80s get nostalgic for it.

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone wants to relive the 80s when we're actually reliving the 70s
    >Stagflation
    >Extreme gas prices
    >Limpdick president
    >Crisis of faith in America as a whole
    >Women are bringing back bush
    Even worse is our culture is 100 times worse than that decade.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >reliving the 70s
      Even the gritty, grimdark stuff is here too. We're not getting Taxi Driver or Apocalypse Now equivalent out of all this though.

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder there has been plenty of attempts at 90s nostalgia media, but none so far have been succesful. I think That 90s Show is probably the last real shot for 90s nostalgia to catch on.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      chip and dale rescue rangers

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Nothing about this looks 90s.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Looks accurate enough to me. Pretty close to how my parents did the kitchen in the 90's

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Do you think that everything changes as soon as the clock rolls over to 1980? Even in the 70s, a lot of things stayed looking like the 60s. Boomers also never really change style so a lot of their homes looked like decades past because they don't change things up.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Looks accurate enough to me. Pretty close to how my parents did the kitchen in the 90's

          Then dont call it "the 90s show". Because a mid to late 80s kitchen aesthetic that was common in the 90s would be much more accurate. They just used hat 70s looking set because it was probably what they had around.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >tfw my parents kitchen looks exactly like that

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              90% of kitches back then used to look like that.
              Dunno if that is still a thing but "kitchen remodelling" was a thing with housewives back then.
              Only my grandma refused and held onto her 50s kitchen, which was kinda based.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >That '90s Show
      >'70s font

      They didn't even try

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Nothing about this looks 90s.

      lel they're pulling all their design cues from 90s sitcoms that already didnt look anything like the 90s either.

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >50s nostalgia
    >no real 60s or 70s nostalgia run
    >80s nostalgia
    >no real 90s or 2000s nostalgia run
    >cant imagine a 2010 nostalgia run
    Maybe the 2020s will be the decade?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >2020 nostalgia will just be Marvel movies and Disney remakes

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I asked Ross Mandell to stop by

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Maybe the 2020s will be the decade?
      people who live thru the 2020s won't want to touch them with a ten foot pole.
      and people who are born from 2030...well if there are any, what could they ever romanticize about corona lockdowns, no movies or shitty movies, ukraine war, chip scarcity, NFTs, and all movies and tv show being woke remakes where all white people are villains and all heroes are black lesbian.
      yeah, nah.

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >2002
    >Vice City releases, basked in 80's Nostalgia
    >Set in 1986
    >16 year gap
    >it's now 2022
    >impossible to make a nostalgic game based on 2002. Nothing to nostalgise.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      9/11 and iraq war have put american pop culture in a sort of suspended "wartime economy" in regards to pop culture. So there was very little in terms of cultural staying power movies wise before social media hit.
      People largely form their memories of decades from the pop culture they consumed. And even the 90s pop culture had a huge gap between movies and reality.
      As someone not addicted to pop culture the late 90s and early 2000s were full of constant new and fresh ideas, the internet came up, people (well at least here in europe) used strange new media like minidiscs, tamagotchis, raver fashion was a thing. Eurobeat had its big peak in the 90s, etc.
      But thats all too hard to repackage for consumption like it was with the 80s and the LOL EVERYTHING IS NEON gimmick shit (that was not nearly as big as the nostalgia media made it look like)

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      gta3 was set in 2001 and you have the Sopranos in that era

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >gangsta rap
      >global war on terror
      >xbox/ps2/gamecube
      >mtv reality tv shows
      >teen movies
      >sars
      >alt rock

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    they don't want people thinking things were better in the past

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The 90s don't need a nostalgia revival and I'm perfectly fine if they skip that decade alltogether. It's not that whatever zombie pastiche they would conjure could improve on it.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >That subway looks unrealistically clean
      Then I remember this is a finnish band and this was shot in Finland

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Were the US really that dirty in the 90s? I have no frame of reference, since I'm from europe.
        But to me Bomfunk MC music videos capture more of the style of the decade than any of the weirdly detached and boomer-filter hollywood shit people bring up.

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    no not yet, maybe not ever

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I'd love to see it, frankly. The 80's have been "back" since the 00's.

  34. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They never got the 80's right anyway.

  35. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Nostalgia bait is the laziest shit. Only error worth being nostalic about is the late 90s and early 2000s, up to around 2005-6.
    Once Obummer took office everything went to shit.

  36. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Explain the appeal of nostalgiahomosexualry to me.
    When I want to see something that looks like a 80s movie I watch a movie from the 80s. When I want to see something that looks like the 80s I watch old newscasts and documentaries from the 80s.
    If I want to listen to 80s music, I listen to music made in the 80s.
    What is the appeal in watching something that looks like a moron filtered what he got out of watching 80s movies?
    Same for "retro" callback music to the 80s, that ignores how 90% of music was back then. (Havent seen or heard any michael jackson callback acts, who was the biggest popstar of the 80s and early 90s)

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Havent seen or heard any michael jackson callback acts

      80s nostalgia has been going on for two decades now
      remember electroclash?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >remember electroclash
        No.
        Once the internet enabled me to freely listen to anything I want, I entirely checked out of manufactured industry plant genre trends and just listened to what I found interesting without caring about what genre it represented.

  37. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    90s and 00s nostalgia time

  38. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    tech peaked here

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Tech peaked here.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Try again

  39. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think le 80s will go away but I think Stranger Things is so shitty and schlocky and has absolutely nothing going for it besides how transparent le epic 80s its premise is like a sketch comedy routine making fun of it that it may make it go into remission for a bit. That garbage needs to go off the air. People probably wouldn't have gotten sick of it so fast if they had made it an anthology series.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I think the real issue is that it's clear the Duffer Brothers need more time to sort out their ideas. Season 1 was fantastic but each season keeps getting more and more in to the "DUDE REMEMBER THE XX's!?" Territory. Season 4 specially feels more like a Marvel movie than the 80's horror films.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Counting when they filmed it it's getting close to a decade now since S1 and the actors are just comically too old for the story they're telling at this point.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Counting when they filmed it it's getting close to a decade now since S1 and the actors are just comically too old for the story they're telling at this point.
          Havent watched since S2 are they still larping some late 70s looking early 80s with everything being wood-clad, when realistically the should be at least in the late 80s if not early 90s?

  40. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >been on Cinemaphile since 2010

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I've been here since 2004, when I was underage b&.
      Close to 20 years.
      Got laid for the first time after taking dating advice form /b/ back in the day.
      Gotta say in some regards having access to Cinemaphile was a cheatmode for social life because some people who lurked dropped rare wisdom bombs from time to time, that helped me cut a lot of corners and avoid some really cringe situations where I would have otherwise made a fool of myself by having the anons talk some sense into me.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Cinemaphile never helped me, but I'm making it anyway (:

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Take care bro, I believe in you. Just how the anons who supported me with great advice believed in me.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Thanks bro! I need your old-chad energy

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        based fellow grandpanon, been here since 04 as well

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        What kind of good advice did you find on here back then? I can't imagine that happening today, it's all bitter doomers on here.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Lots of small self improvement stuff.
          People recommending me good diets, prison workout routines they learned in jail, how to deal with people, how to cut interpersonal bullshit, how to deal with personal finances, how to be less stressed out, how to deal with my compulsive disorder.
          Basically all reality based stuff.
          Thanks to anons helping here and there I managed to turn from lanky school shooter looking permavirgin nerd with shoulder length hair, gaming shirts and the worst dress sense ever who couldnt make eye contact to athletic looking, well dressed and groomed chad who managed to frick his highschool crush a year after graduating in a span of like 6 months.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            cool story bro

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >I lost my virginity to a fat ugly chick:the post

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        same been here since the beginning when i was 13 lol
        met a few girls i've had sex with off this site that were pretty hot subservient nymphos good times
        did a lot of drugs
        like tears in rain boys

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Most current lurkers don't even believe those times really existed but they did. I met a few girls off /soc/ when that board debuted, truly different times.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >normalgays posting here using/used this site as a dating app
            cancer yepp

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >meet this 2012 template of a hot cosplay/scene chick
          >get the worst 3 years of a borderline induced relationship nightmare I could Imagine
          WAS NOT WORTH IT.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Uncle June!?!?

  41. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    tech peaked here

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      as did my happiness

  42. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Not really, this has done what it intended to do and revived people's nostalgia. They've caught a second wind.

  43. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Memes peaked here

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      it really was such a simple time

  44. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    This kino captures the zeitgeist of 2005

  45. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Corporate neoliberalism that began in the 80s effectively slowly killed off any genuine culture, counterculture and the arts and gradually replaced everything with mass produced corporate product to be consumed for maximum profit and nothing more

  46. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    “ I want nostalgia for meeeee”
    homosexual complaint.

  47. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    People got tricked into thinking the 80s were a different dimension by thinking colors back then were really desaturated and full of film grain and assuming the shit from the 80s they see on flea markets was in dirty and used condition even when it was new.

  48. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Hardly. People are not even tired of Marvel or SW yet so by those same standards of tolerance they should be able to endure another 10 or 20 years of 80`s inspired pieces of media. Reboots, remakes, shameless copies and imitations... all of that is yet to come.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I think the 90s killing most 80s franchises to replace them with new stuff like matrix really shellshocked millennial kids into becoming ultra level nostalgia consoomers.
      Especially since back then you couldnt just stream that tv show you really liked that was never made available on VHS.
      The scarcity of TV broadcast and impracticality of VHS releases of long running tv shows basically created a generation of "nostalgia hoarders" that cant let go.

  49. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
  50. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's always a ~25 year cycle. When it's about 2050 people will be into 2020s nostalgia.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >2020s nostalgia

  51. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    reminder 90s retro-future kino is coming

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Fellow Apple TV connoisseur

  52. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, can't wait for 2000s nostalgia because god forbid creating anything new in our dying civilization

  53. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    moronic boomers were raised by TV commercials, toys, merchandise.

    In their consumerist moronation, they have inherited this stupid fricking childhood on all subsequent generations - Star Wars, Ghostbusters, Jurassic Park, all that bullshit.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Boomers had fricking nothing. That's Gen X you're talking about. Like Wil Weaton picrel. Gen X were the first consooomer fanbase. Look at ready player one

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        gen x disowned wesley in the 80s

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        That's actually true. Well almost.
        Boomers had stuff like flintstones, which had the decency to die after a decade and just occasionally rearing its head as some nostalgic cashgrab.
        Boomers didnt really have a problem with letting go of old shit. Gen X and early millennials are the insane obsessive motherfrickers who managed to keep shit like simpsons, transformers and he-man on life support for 30 decades.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >tfw Simpsons has been running for 300 years

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Boomers had fricking nothing. That's Gen X you're talking about. Like Wil Weaton picrel. Gen X were the first consooomer fanbase. Look at ready player one

      gen x is just the boomer 2.0 generation, theyre even fricking worse in most of the same ways

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        stop replying to yourself

  54. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Family keep recommending i watch this show but I just can't stand looking at that toothless mutt. Is it actually good or is it just 80s circlejerk homosexualry?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Is it actually good
      frick no its not

  55. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Do people bring up tarantino when talking about 90s nostalgia?
    Tarantino being such a successful director was largely caused by people being absolutely SICK of 80s big budget movies that got increasingly moronic, and self-derivative.
    That's also why arnie's movie career fizzled out after true lies and T2.
    People just didnt want to see him on screen anymore, because they got so fricking sick of him being in everything for more than a decade.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      People became disillusioned with formula movies (not genre movies, that's an important distinction to make) because there were so many of them, and Tarantino was in the right place at the right time with something nobody had ever seen before. Schwarzenegger could have continued his career easily due to his star power alone. Last Action Hero struggled but True Lies was a huge hit. The reason his career tanked was because he stopped picking good projects for some reason. The fact that he didn't fight tooth and nail to do Crusade with Verhoeven and did Jingle All the Way instead is mind-boggling.

  56. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >it starts interesting
    >it ends up being troony homosexual interracial live action scooby doo b-movie with a dumb ass monster
    >its the nostalgia that got stale guys! i promise! that is reason no one watches it anymore!

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >troony homosexual
      There are no trannies in it, homosexual.
      >homosexual
      There's one gay character and it's a lesbian, not some limp wrist gay dude like everything else.
      > interracial
      The one interracial couple in the whole show broke up and hated each other kek. Did you even watch the show bro?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Okay Duffer bro. Say hello to the Rabbi for me

  57. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >no one mentioning that the prime issue is nothing is allowed to die anymore so you can't be nostalgic about something if it's still floating in the turd bowl to this very day

  58. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No, Stranger Things is just bad.

  59. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I used to say that at the least 80s cars sucked but compared to currentyear even the cars were better.

  60. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The 90s was better because people were less fat, the cars are cooler and you can go to Bangkok for 100 bucks.

  61. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    KIDS had a good representation of the 90s

  62. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    In the late 2000s and early 2010s I was ALL OVER crappy nostalgia shit, because it was unique and I didnt really care for most of the 2000s pop culture all that much.
    Now they can miss me with that shit. Nothing pop culturally more revolting than endless reboots, remakes, zombie franchises.

  63. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I’m 23, used to play outside with my neighbors when I was a kid. My early twenties were in lockdown because of the virus. What does this mean?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      based. Are you still a virgin?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Yes

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Traditionally early 20s were when even the nerdy kids from highschool lost their virginity. I really wonder if the NWO accidentally created a generation of angry virgins who never got their puberty rage out of their system by fricking now.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Traditionally early 20s were when even the nerdy kids from highschool lost their virginity
            wtf I'm a 29 yr old KHV 🙁

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Well frankly, who gives a shit?
              Its not like you can buy anything from having lots of sex. You'll catch an std, you'll have the deal with lots of interpersonal bullshit, its messy and sticky and unless you really wanna make babies its also pretty pointless.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                No one else I know irl is like me. I feel alone and unwanted. Like I'm not part of human society.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Based. Society is a psyop anyways. Some people are just not made for the normie life. I tried my best at larping as a normie and after 10 years it gave me a big case of the burnout.
                Enjoy the bright side of it. Freedom and peace of mind you get by not having to conform to constant peer induced manias.
                If youre a loner thats ok too. Dont sweat it.
                Unwanted is relative, just means you can be who you want rather than who others want you to be.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                This sort of did make me feel better. Thanks.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          hope you enjoy going to heaven bro

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I was in my early 30s when the covid shit hit, now I'm closing in on my 40s for some reason.
      The last 2,5 years really went by fast.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Disgusting. Also, sauce?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          No idea, got it from Cinemaphile and saved it because I needed some unrelated gross-out webm for drive-by shitposting.

  64. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Are zoomer teens the first generation not allowed to say homosexual?

  65. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The problem with the 80’s nostalgia wave is we’re living in the neo-70’s right now. Life isn’t good enough to truly feel the 80’s revival.

  66. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
  67. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    There won't be any nostalgia for modern times because life now sucks compared to before, there's nothing to be nostalgic for.

  68. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Point out all the horrible computer graphics in the early 2000s.
    Since you can go back and say what you should've had said, go "here's some more computer shit. it sucks."

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