Is there ever a good reason to perform character assassination.
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Is there ever a good reason to perform character assassination.
Is there ever a good reason to perform character assassination.
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It's prevalent in any industry where multiple writers/directors/producers work on the same IP for a long period of time. Most writers are selfish, they only care about themselves and don't respect anyone else that might have come before them and sure as frick don't give a shit about those who will come after. The reason character assassination happens is because it's convenient for the writer or director's purposes.
Now for his own part, Johnson wasn't being malicious when he did this. Selfish, sure, but not malicious. But it could have been worse. There are so many examples, especially in comic books, where a writer might hate a certain character or story arc so much that their main priority is to destroy it. Pettiness is rampant in the industry and no one has any respect for anyone.
When a character's initial personality or backstory is fricking stupid.
This again?
Disney wars luke is a thousand times more pathetic than he woulda been on this story. Way less stupid, too.
The idea that the guy who redeemed darth vader would even consider killing his FRICKING NEPHEW is so moronic it can't be classified as anything but purposeful ruining of his character
Ah yes, because defending yourself IN A FRICKING DUEL is the same as actually going up to your nephew while he's asleep and standing there with your lightsaber?
have a nice day, you fricking shill.
>Ah yes, because defending yourself IN A FRICKING DUEL
Did you even watch the movie?
>character development is making the same mistake over and over again
I bet you think Han leaving Leia to go back to smuggling was good writing too.
>characters only frick up once and then are perfect forever
Also, going back to smuggling was how he coped with losing his son. He literally says it in the film. Though I can understand if you have not seen it since it came out or at all.
>going back to smuggling was how he coped with losing his son. He literally says it in the film.
But why? Han was always a terrible smuggler and he only did it for the money. And why would anyone trust a former Rebel General smuggle drugs for them?
>characters only frick up once
Unironically yes. Who the hell writes a sequel story that's built on the previous main hero unlearning the lessons of his journey and fricking up royal?
Did Disney think people who watched the OT would be thrilled to find out none of it mattered in the end?
>Did Disney think people who watched the OT would be thrilled to find out none of it mattered in the end?
Well a lot of people seemed to love TFA when it came out so I'm guessing yes.
Nobody "loved" TFA even when it came out.
The consensus was that it was safe and unoriginal, just passable for the first installment of a comeback trilogy.
>Who the hell writes a sequel story that's built on the previous main hero unlearning the lessons of his journey and fricking up royal?
THIS GUY!
George Lucas wrote the sequels? No wonder they were so bad
return of the jedi ends with luke defeating the ultimate evil and saving the galaxy.
any star wars sequel would have to undo that ending because otherwise there'd be no conflict.
>any star wars sequel would have to undo that ending because otherwise there'd be no conflict
Or you can just introduce a new villain.
>Or you can just introduce a new villain.
they did do that. then disney got pissed and brought back palpatine.
He always looks so weird to me. He has the face/head of a twink but the body of someone much larger. It's so fricking jarring.
He's build like a fridge with a cookie jar on top of it.
It's a Tom Holland situation for me. Adam Driver is a fine actor but Kylo Ren is one of the worst fricking villains I've ever seen.
Kylo always sucked. What kind of movie has the strong female protagonist beat the main villain's ass in the first film?
kylo wasn't the main villain in force awakens. he was still a mini-boss and a vader simp.
like i don't like last jedi overall but having kylo kill snoke and reject vader without turning to the light side was the best writing decision in the whole sequel trilogy.
>kylo wasn't the main villain in force awakens
Oh I forgot, the palpatine ripoff sucked too. I don't care about the mystery box about who he really was because he was never interesting.
I think the whole point was him sucking at being bad, because deep down he still had too much light in him
Yeah, Kylo Ren was actually novel because there was some awareness behind him being the Vader expy of the trilogy even though no can ever live up to him so they just made that a part of his character and that's more interesting than someone like Snoke, who was basically just Palpatine but "older and with hints of deepest loar".
Thats why I think his arc should have ended as a ronin traveling the galaxy and trying to fix things on a small scale until some other big danger demanded his return. There was a lot of potential, but they already killed him off so whatever I guess
You can say that about anyone's perception of any story, which doesn't make your response relevant
You know they had a unified post-RotJ continuity in licensed material for 30 years until Disney dumpstered it so JJ could fart out "what if we just did the original trilogy but EVEN BIGGER." And the continuity hinged on how, yes the Emperor died and the Death Stars were gone and bulk of the Imperial navy was crippled, but that didn't mean the war was actually over by a longshot, and there was a metric frickload of material dealing with the constant struggle of the New Republic to establish itself, keeping pushing back against the Imperial Remnants, and avoid devolving into in-fighting, all while Luke was off rediscovering ancient Jedi knowledge and creating a new Jedi Order wiped clean from all the baggage of the Old Republic days.
And no I'm not in any way suggesting they actually adapt any of it, the point is that they could easily have made an actual sequel movie trilogy that took the original trilogy and built on them instead of pissing all over everything undoing everything that was done so you can nostalgiawank.
People love Bojack horseman
NORMAL WORDS
seethe harder
Sequel or next generation stories where the main conflict is generated from the mistakes of the original hero/s is a pretty common trope.
Though I feel what ultimately undoes the OT is that they brought back the Empire and Palpatine as the villains, not really that the OT heroes die (that's actually expected). The main villain faction should have been something else entirely like maybe Kylo leads an army of dark Jedi splintered off from Luke's order.
Your favorite fictional uncle was NEVER a paragon of goodness. He was human and fallible, like his father before him.
Deal with it.
And that would have been filtered through a couple other people to refine his ideas.
>One vague aspect from an outline that nobody has ever read means the Luke is portrayed exactly the way Lucas wanted him to turn out
cope
I can accept the idea of Luke being in imposed exile. But George knew very well that there's a line you don't cross. At some point a heroic character has to show his heroism, no matter how dark the place he's in mentally.
>At some point a heroic character has to show his heroism
You mean like the end fight where Luke saved Leia and the others and reignited the spark of hope for the galaxy?
>NOOOO THAT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE HE DIDN'T DO ANY STUPID SPINNY FLIPS OR KAMEHA MEHAS!
You mean the "fight" where 20 people barely saw Kylo fight with a hologram 100 yards away? How did that inspire anyone?
Aren't George Lucas post classic trilogy ideas usually considered terrible?
no
Are you sure? I remember pretty much every comic and show talking shit about him, his scene changes and the sequels.
When it's funny.
Is Cinemaphile one of the boards that was gay enough to like TLJ when it came out?
Of course, this board is one of the places tumblr types fled to after the porn ban.
yes if they can justify it and make something good around it, luke fricking off due to kylos could had been done good.
they didn't even wrote the fricking knights of ren into the movie, which could had been easily part of the fall for kylo, instead of "muh nephwe might go bad"
Good fricking riddance that Mark Hamill's character turned to shit like that in TLJ. Last month he did electoral advertising FOR A FRICKING EX-CONVICT who STOLE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS and it's going put Brazil into another fricking economic recession. I have no sympathy for him anymore.
Stay mad, fascist.
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The craziest thing about Disney Wars is how absolutely certain they were that they could replace Luke as the hero and everyone would be perfectly fine with it. They were so fricking certain that the diversity hires, Rey and Finn, would be able to carry the franchise forevermore.
>diversity hires
Every day, we keep proving the "liberal" media right.
I have no problem with introducing a new cast of characters. The problem is the new characters were written like shit and failed to appeal to audiences. If they didn't want the new and old cast fighting against each other for relevance they shouldn't have made fricking sequels in the first place.
I agree. As a black dude, I find Finn to be a personal insult though. They wanted to give us a character that we could self insert into and we got an idiotic clown that screams all his lines. The worst part has to be how hard they tried to make it seem like Finn was the first black Star Wars character. Mace Windu and Lando, both far better than Huckleberry Frick, would like to have a word.
It doesn't help that John Boyega is a colossal dickhead and spent the last 8 years complaining about the million dollar paycheck he got to be in the new movies.
How is it character assassination if the man is in his 60s versus the 20 year old jedi he used to be?
I am not exactly a fan of the Star Wars sequels. But I never really got how people think they character assassinated Luke.
They bait and switched a bunch and made him kind of irrelevant. But I don't really see how it was character assassination.
If anyone suffered from character assassination it was absolutely Han.
Not that they couldn't or didn't frick up multiple characters. But for all the many, many flaws of the sequels, Luke's character didn't seem to be much of a problem. Relatively. His role definitely suffered though.
My biggest issue with Luke isn't that he became a jaded and bitter old man who lives alone and drinks green milk. I'm more annoyed at how in a single stroke, everything that was built up in the original trilogy was utterly dismantled and everything's just back to square one. Luke's failure is a part of that. Consider the following:
>OT: The Empire was brought down.
>ST: The New Order rises up to take his place.
>OT: Leia and the resistance achieved their goal of defeating the Empire and restored the Republic
>ST: Leia's still leading a resistance and the Republic is fricked again
>OT: Vader is dead.
>ST: Kylo is the new Vader following in his footsteps.
>OT: Palpatine is dead.
>ST: Palpatine's alive.
>OT: Han and Leia get together.
>ST: Han and Leia are separated.
>OT: Han goes legit
>ST: Han's a smuggler again
>OT: Luke is a new Jedi and the one who will revive the Jedi Order
>ST: The Jedi are extinct again
>OT: The Death Star was destroyed. Twice.
>ST: There's a thousand fricking Star Destroyers just hidden away and their combined might is greater than that of any Death Star.
In one fell swoop, EVERYTHING that was achieved in the Original Trilogy was undone. It's incredible.
Going from ROTJ to TFA is such a slap in the face because if you watch them back-to-back, you'll see the good guys win and the evil defeated, all for it to go back to the way it was before ANH minutes later.
I mean Luke also doesn't kill Ben in TLJ, the main difference with Vader is that it achieved the opposite effect (Luke sparing Vader allows him to redeem himself as Anakin, Luke sparing Ben allows him to become Kylo and commit all those atrocities).
People look at that scene the wrong way and keep framing it as though Luke should never be able to get tempted by the dark side ever again after ROTJ but that shouldn't be the case and if anything, Luke immediately realizing what he was doing was wrong on his own instead of Palpatine having to interrupt and point it out to him showcases his development from that movie.
You're acting like he didn't attempt murdering his nephew while he was asleep.
He activates his lightsaber in the heat of the moment, it's not like he was actively planning to murder Ben the whole time.
If you walk into someone's room with a sword while they're asleep in the middle of the night that's called attempted murder.
>I think the whole point was him sucking at being bad, because deep down he still had too much light in him
nah, that sounds like cope to excuse him sucking ass.
>If you walk into someone's room with a sword while they're asleep in the middle of the night that's called attempted murder.
Luke didn't go into Ben's hut with his lightsaber drawn, that happened after he peeked into his head and saw visions of the future.
Unfortunately Luke didn't have any brownies to present to Ben.
Man. Now THAT feels more like Luke. Ben wakes up from a subtle noise in his room, and it's just his uncle Luke sitting at his desk with a plate of brownies and two glasses of blue milk in the midst of contemplating on if he should wake up his nephew.
>nah, that sounds like cope to excuse him sucking ass.
I think he is right, even in TFA script and novelization it says that Kylo killed his father believing it would push him more to the dark side when in reality it broke his spirit even more and drew to the light. I think the problem with the movies is not giving him any actual spotlight and leaving everything interesting to side materials. I guess current disney can't focus on a non-diversity character or a woman
Nope
The sequel trilogies biggest problem was the crappy villains. I spent a lot of time thinking of a better villain than Kyle to put into the sequels. I settled on a force sensitive Jedi hunter as the best possible opponent for Rey. Someone she can't just beat after one fight.