Is this the future of western animation?
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Is this the future of western animation?
Is this the future of western animation?
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Cheap crap? Always was.
No, this is.
The left one is confirmed to be a Warner Bros Japan/Wit Studio project, middle is animated in Korea while the right is still up for debate.
The right one is still up for debate if Telecom Animation Film (TMS) or Studio 4°C is going to be in charge of it.
The Day The Earth Blew Up will like to have a word with you.
It is still up for debate.
Akira was 1988.
>The right one is still up for debate if Telecom Animation Film (TMS) or Studio 4°C is going to be in charge of it.
FamiCOOOOOOM
Go Go Scooby-Doo looks like either by Mir or DR Studio
Both Dr.Movie and Studio Mir only do serous looking action cartoons, they don't do funny comedies, plus they said nothing about who is animating it but with Suicide Squad Isekai doing how it's doing Warner Bros Japan most likely green lit more Japanese projects that use American IPs.
Plus if you want anime to go mainstream you have to do more then just battle shonen and fan servicey shows.
>want anime to go mainstream
Not that it isn't already but god no I don't want that.
The gold is to make it as mainstream as Bugs Bunny, Mickey Mouse, Woody Woodpecker and Popeye, if anime is kept to nothing but shonen and fan servicey shows and shojo is treated like a red headed step child it will never be mainstream.
To be mainstream comedy most be the norm.
If that cheap crap can look half as good and dynamic as this then I'll watch that shit all day.
That costs actual money to make, and we don't know if Go Go Mystery Machine is a Japanese production or not.
Also the future of animation is this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lABjfBmM3OQ
One of those is a Japanese studio isn't it?
To be fair a good chunk of your favorite 80s and 90s cartoons have an invisible japanese hand in it.
this is the cartoon equivalent of people figuring out the oil of fish is good for you, but instead of eating fish, they distill it into a small pill that does little to no good and sell it as a product
Fish oil pills are cheaper and more convenient.
nothing convenient about taking pills, just eat fish once a week and you are good to go.
I'll literally die if I eat fish so no
No one respects cartoons anymore, everyone now grows up hating cartoons or only watching anime, majority of recent creators are weebs who wish they were born Japanese and just want to their anime anti-cartoon knock off fanfic to get on TV
And many of these people include Cinemaphile, plenty of people are weebs who toons
The last big succesful American cartoon that wasn't ashamed of being an American cartoon was Hazbin
What's the alternative? Surely you must have a path not taken you'd like to see done.
yeah
good cartoons
Don't be a little wienersucker about it.
Amazing Digital circus? That's a path I suppose.
I can live with that. A couple more brainrot successes from Glitch and I think that the big studios are done in the episodic animation department.
>Algorithm slop
Not much better to be frank...
It's even funnier than that when you know how many 80s/90s cartoons outsourced to stuff like Toei.
>slop memeword
>blaming an algorithim
Come up with actual criticism.
>What's the alternative?
realizing what you see in the media and on this site are not the only cartoons?
Lackadaisy
Lackadaisy is the good route
Honestly I think indie animation has potential, but it's too early to tell
It's going to win. The past 50 years have merely been an exercise in seeing how little ground the industrial model can give the independent creator.
>plenty of people are weebs who toons
who hate cartoons, comics, shill anime, you see it here often
>No one respects cartoons anymore, everyone now grows up hating cartoons
They started it. Cartoons hate thier audience and seeks to attack them with trauma inducing bullshit till they are a broken and fricked up as they are.
It's sick and perverse and it's always fricking losers who couldn't even get a fricking short made that could get more then 1k views on youtube with an original work without their family or frickbuddy connections.
Why is everyone forgetting that period in the early 2000s when cartoons wanted to be anime? Stuff like ATLA, Totally Spies, Martin Mystery, Teen Titans, Kappa Mikey, Ben 10, The Boondocks, etc. This is nothing new.
Or Pixar being the American Ghibli, complete with immature pretensions. These things come full circle eventually.
Funny how the Ghibli name is still respected while Pixar is doing everything in their power to ruin theirs.
what planet are you on moron? they just released a kino sequel to Inside Out (another film that was kino)
5 cents has been added to your Disney+ account
take your meds
You first shill
>Disney making something good means I'm a shill
sounds like you need an extra dose
>Implying nuDisney is capable of making something good
lol
>lel modern/Nu
make sure your pill makes you drowsy
Shows like Avatar and Teen Titans adopted art styles similar to those of popular 00s anime but kept western ideas and tropes. These new shows literally are "tell Japan/Korea to write something then send a brown fat nonbinary c**t to 'sanitize' everything for westoid audiences".
The first anime reference I ever saw in a western cartoon (that I knew was an anime reference) was Robin doing the Kaneda bike slide from Akira. This was what, 95-96?
Anime references were so rare (outside of making fun of Speed Racer's limited animation and questionable dubbing) that Disney ripped off Tezuka and only Wizard Magazine readers seemed to care.
However, yes. While anime references crept into cartoons, they were still western cartoons. Steven Universe may do trace jobs of Utena and Sailor Moon but it is still clearly a western cartoon in design and approach. The faux anime phase is just that, a phase. In a generation or two, kids will want a different identity than their parents and older siblings/cousins so they won't go for the Japanese stuff. It's like when 80s stuff got big in the 2000s. It's because the 1990s hated the 1980s. Then the 1990s came back because people didn't want the 1980s anymore. The 1990s that sought the 1970s to cleanse themselv s of the deep fried plastic of Reagan era excess.
Time is a flat circle.
Because they mainly just wanted to be anime visually, they weren't trying to mimic every generic anime story beat or trope beyond chibi faces. Yes, not even Avatar was 100% weeb, that show had inspiration from everything from western films to lotr and Chinese wuxia films. People kinda forget there was also a craze over martial arts stuff in general at the same time, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon was one of the most successful foreign films in the US and Jackie Chan making American movies too. It's why we got stuff like Xiaolin Showdown.
The French can get away with being weebs since they've always watched anime, but even Totally Spies was leaning on pretending to be American more than Japanese
Glen Murakami is Japanese-American so he can get away with it, but described himself as much more of a comic book kid growing up, and even his favorite anime were mainly superhero shows from the 70's. Teen Titans 2003 unironically cares a lot about its comic book roots and lore, comicsgay will disagree on the execution.
Kappa Mikey was more of a parody, and the main character himself was done in a cartoon style
Ben 10 again is anime in its visuals primarily, but the story itself feels much more like Silver Age comic
Aaron McGruder is probably the biggest weeb here so far and yet Boondocks is probably the most uniquely and specifically American satire possible
>Kappa Mikey was more of a parody, and the main character himself was done in a cartoon style
There's also a good behind-the-scenes joke in them casting the English voice of Goku as Gonard.
And what's wrong with someone just being a weeb and using that as inspiration? It's not worse than being a capeshitter and using that as an inspiration either.
>Because they mainly just wanted to be anime visually, they weren't trying to mimic every generic anime story beat or trope beyond chibi faces.
I can't think of more than 5-6 american cartoons like that. Most of them still use generic western tropes especially in terms of comedy. That seems like an exaggeration.
>And what's wrong with someone just being a weeb and using that as inspiration?
Because everyone's a weeb now. It's like your writer only consuming video games
>Because everyone's a weeb now.
Not true. A weeb originally meant someone that wanted to move to Japan and throw away his culture. Another meaning would be someone extremely passionate about japanese pop culture and this doesn't feat 99.99% of western creators since they only know the most basic b***h stuff.
>It's like your writer only consuming video games
As I said, those shows are still as western as ever. And only using capeshit as inspiration is not that much better either.
>doesn't feat
Meant to say doesn't fit.
>Not true. A weeb originally meant someone that wanted to move to Japan and throw away his culture.
So yes, everyone.
>Yes, not even Avatar was 100% weeb
It was 10% anime at best we're being really generous. Don't get why that's the posterchild for Western anime when its so deeply Western and un-anime.
>It was 10% anime at best we're being really generous.
I agree.
>Don't get why that's the posterchild for Western anime when its so deeply Western and un-anime.
Because of the art style and it being explicitly Asian themed, that's mainly it. Not Japanese, just "Asian", because the Chinese influence in Avatar is the most prominent cultural one second to American of course. Even the Fire Nation has a lot of SEA going with it instead of only Japan.
Bryke weren't going out to make anime, anime was just one thing they liked in a sea of things they wanted to make a show about.
Teen Titans gets called anime, but to a lesser extent because superheroes are still mainly American in our minds, and the Bruce Tim DCAU artstyle is still there next to Murakami's
Teen titans literally had a japanese OP. The only think more japanese would be the Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi Show, and that was a throwback style.
The creators were heavily influenced by flcl.
Visually yes. Thematically and tonally frick no, not even remotely.
>Because they mainly just wanted to be anime visually, they weren't trying to mimic every generic anime story beat or trope beyond chibi faces
I don't think these new shows aren't much different either, like even though My Adventures with Superman looks anime-ish, it's still very much a western series. Like it isn't shonen, you know? Actual anime/manga writing tends to have a very distinct style that's wholly different from american shows (for example, the way exposition tends to be delivered via internal thoughts or voiceovers in anime whereas the exposition in american cartoons is always delivered between characters talking).
Those did it not because normies thought it was "the golden standard" it was a nice side grade.
Plus, everything made now is made with evil intentions back then it was positive outlooks on life.
Totally Spies and Martin Mystery were "Frenime", french shows with a less "cartoony look", I guess you can say they look like "animes".
Ben 10 was more "comic" than anime and I'll argue Teen Titans was that as well but was slightly more "zanier" than Ben 10, who was more restraint.
ATLA was an entirely eastern inspired affair that wouldn't work if it looked like a Family Guy knockoff and I will probably say the same for The Boondocks as well; however TBD would have still worked if it kept it's comic look to the small screen.
Kappa Mikey was a flat out parody of anime tropes.
While this doesn't really excuse these shows from being "fake animes", I most wasn't trying to look like anime because they "love anime dick"
Some of them had anime that were totally sucking anime's dick. Atla's creators fricking loved flcl and plenty of other anime.
>Suicide Squad is the only one done by an actual Japanese studio
It's going to be the only good one isn't it?
>All WB
no, it's WB being desperate MAWS is good at least
MAWS is Superman for girls. Anime Superman for dudes would be a battle shounen.
Superman is for everyone cause it's fricking Superman
also, Lois and Clark was a thing, so it isn't that unique in having Lois be more front and central
>Superman is for everyone cause it's fricking Superman
No homie. I don't want sanitized ball-less Superman for everyone. I want a Superman made with dudes in mind as the audience. None of this lame gay shit. Supergirl's the shit you make with girls in mind, not the big man himself.
Is Superman vs the Klan for men?
have a nice day Black person.
Nah.
>Supergirl's the shit you make with girls in mind
Supergirl is made with mainly men in mind more than Superman is
>Anime
>Korean studio
>Anime
None of these are western animation.
Large-scale western animation has no future. Americans are too expensive for producers' tastes even when the pipeline is slashed so hard that one poor frick is in charge of writing, boarding, directing, and feedback.
>Scooby Doo
>Anime
Unless I'm missing something, I'm pretty fricking sure it isn't anime.
You did miss something. It got announced yesterday. There's a thread about it. Shaggy and Scooby are going to Japan, and whether or not it is anime they're certainly pushing the narrative that it is.
I saw the news, but nothing about it being done by an actual Japanese studio, and thus being a real anime. everything else has pointed to th contrary.
They said nothing about who is producing it so a Japanese studio being in charge is still up for debate.
Only one of those is anime, and EVERY western cartoon is animated by Korean studios these days, so that's a moot point.
>and EVERY western cartoon is animated by Korean studios these days
bullshit but okay.
homie, you been living under a rock or something?
Do you not look at the credits for shows after an episode ends?
you are right, there are only more than a hundred western animation studios still producing stuff, that truly is very close to zero
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animation_studios
I ask again, have you been living under a rock?
name one european cartoon from recent times that was outsourced.
>Americans are too expensive for producers
No one respects animation producers anymore because 99% of them are con men who skim money off production budgets. Like a parasite.
The east won...
>population of East Asia as a whole continues to decline hard
lol nope
>while the population in 90% of the west does the same
lol yes
At this point we need to be like Canada and literally pay people to make cartoon shows for culture reasons
Canada making cartoons for cultural reasons is such a hilarious idea. Its not even a for example Austria making cartoons for cultural reasons when Germany already does them situation. Its a German town makes cartoons so another German town 100 meters away from the other one makes its own cartoon for cultural reasons.
The future?
Are you saying that throwing out everything to the far east paying them half the price of a cheap hooker per month is the future?
>Get told many many times east good west bad and western styles look ugly instead of doing easter animeslop style
>Does just that
>NO NO NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT! WHAT I ACTUALLY WANTED IS FOR JAPAN TO TAKE OVER AMERICA SO I CAN HAVE LEGAL UNDERAGED ASIAN WOMEN PUSSY!
I for one just want good animation to come back, regardless of style. Stiff 12 FPS slop is not a good replacement for what we used to get back in the 1900s.
>Stiff 12 FPS slop is not a good replacement for what we used to get back in the 1900s.
Unless you are talking about shorts and movies the 1970s and 1980s were extremely stiff in terms of western cartoons. The 1990s were better since they had higher quality outsourcing(especially nip ones) but I would say the 2000 had it the best. Also
>>Does just that
Lol, with very few exceptions america never does anime style right.
>were extremely stiff in terms of western cartoons.
Not by choice, but by economics. Now it's by choice.
Because you're underaged.
>Because you're underaged.
more like because you are underaged and don't realize the media you consume isn't the entire western media.
Maybe if you'd read the thread you'd realize the discussion was about western animation in the past wasn't 8FPS animeslop. And when it became 2FPS slop it wasn't by choice or preference.
and western animation in the present also isn't that, was the point.
>I for one just want good animation to come back
i never noticed it go away
None of those are anime.
I fail to see how any of this is worse than the beanmouth sludge we've gotten since 2010.
Take it over the alternative.
On the subject of weebs, Samurai Jack is one cartoon that's both absolutely weeb material while unmistakably a cartoon that likes being a cartoon. I guess it's because the Japanese influence isn't just anime, it includes toku and Kurosawa stuff
The number 1 influence for Samurai Jack was Lone wolf and Cub, because westerners absolutely love that manga.
I know but again it wasn't the only Japanese thing Genndy is into
I think the moral is that it's good to have wide tastes
It was one of the first to be brought over and also easy to understand. Coolass swordfightan with some japanese flavor to it.
So it's a cornerstone for oldtimey weebs.
The number 1 influence for Samurai Jack was The Little Prince and the Eight-Headed Dragon
Stop giving them ideas you fool.
These actually look fun. I'll check them out. Ultimately, it's better to outsource production in areas where they pay animators affordably instead of paying LA animators ridiculous salaries to work and live in LA of all places.
Why western companies are so moronic?
Well the alternative is Big Mouth apparently. So I hope we go with Cinemaphile styles instead.
fake anime, raceswapped gay shit and more fake anime?
Yeah, america animation lost and is now dead
The left one is produced in Japan (Wit Studio), no Americans in sight for the left one.
Middle one is done in Korea.
The right one is still up for debate, if Warner Bros Japan is producing this then either TMS (Rick and Morty: The Anime), OLM (Catwoman: Hunted) or Studio 4°C (Ballmastrz: Rubicon) is producing this, otherwise either Digital eMation, Sae-Rom, or Snipple is animating it as Dr.Movie and Studio Mir only do serous action cartoons, you're lucky if Mua Films/Tiger Animation is doing this if this is a American production, and all of this is still up for debate.
Don't ask about The Answer Studio, if they get anything from Warner Bros it's strictly DC stuff the studio is ran by comic book fans, and most of their work is done by Korean and Chinese studios anyway as the Japanese crew's main focus is on contract work for Comix Wave Films.
ywnbj
Seethe more, westernlet.
>shipping toga with dabi
Disgusting
>adult owl house but STRAIGHT
Abhorrent
>weeabidoo and pink miku
dishonorable
Is this our Future of Western Animation, bros?
No, The Day The Earth Blew Up is.
Implying Western animation has a future. It's indie or bust from this point onwards.
The Day The Earth Blew Up will like to have a word with you.
Yes. Embrace the rice pill, it's for the better. You have nothing to lose but your chains.
Has been for the past 20 years. Every western show that's been successful has, in some way, copied anime aesthetic and/or sensibilities.
Not the case, it's more like 44 years and even then Carbuncle episodes of Ren and Stimpy will like to have a word with you.
>Ren and Stimpy
The most overrated trash of the last 20 years. Opinion discarded.
Dude, Ren and Stimpy saved the industry almost single handily, without Ren and Stimpy the whole animation industry will be nothing but 30 minute toy commercials.
Also Ren and Stimpy is over 33 years old.
Both are niche as frick however, only the IPs from comics are mainstream.
That and we don't know who is doing Go Go Mystery Machine.
For that to happen comedy must be the norm.
9-14 year olds, as by the time you hit 15 the only thing you should be watching/reading is right wing politics.
Avatar and its effects have been a blight on Western animation.
Manga has been outselling comic books for more than a decade now, and anime is more popular than ever, so it's not a surprise that comic book publishers and western animation is leaning towards anime/anime-adjacent shows to reach their target audience.
Suicide Squad Isekai is an actual anime, btw.
>anime is more popular than ever
the true illusion of choice is making the same shounen stories and just changing the characters and powers
You're not wrong, but shonen literally means "young boys" so for the target audience, those same recycled tropes will always be new.
I feel like Jujutsu Kaisen has the most tropes out of any shonen anime I've ever seen. It rips off Naruto, Bleach, Yu Yu Hakusho, etc and yet it's still an immensely popular show.