Dream Works pretty much stole the idea from Pixar. They approached Pixar with "hey what are you working on? don't worry we don't do 3D we are just curious haha" and it worked.
Both of these mocies have a strong socialist message, not just Antz.
The whole speech in A Bug's Life from the grasshopper about how he's fricked if the Ants realize that he needs them more than they need him and that they're stronger than him if they band together is classic capitalist vs socialist stuff.
Standing up against oppressors isn't necessarily a communist message, you know. I know people here are probably just joking, but still it's a little silly.
Both of these mocies have a strong socialist message, not just Antz.
The whole speech in A Bug's Life from the grasshopper about how he's fricked if the Ants realize that he needs them more than they need him and that they're stronger than him if they band together is classic capitalist vs socialist stuff.
I don't think comparing socialism to an insect hive is the slam dunk you think it is.
Quite the opposite,
The film is entirely about self actualization, individuality, and choice. The only reason that the colony is saved is because of someone going against the will of the community. If anything A Bug's Life fits the socialism trope better as that film is all about the workers uprising against the upperclass.
>political thriller with violence (deaths, war, torture), mild swearing, alcoholism, dry humor, a fascist general villain, a near genocide/military coup via drowning, and social allegories, except with insects
Antz is a badass film
General Mandible is probably the least funny Dreamworks villain. I don't think he even has a single funny one-liner. They played the character of "Ant Hitler" completely straight and its kind of mindblowing
Bug's Life is awesome. I don't know why it's one of the most underrated Pixars, do people just not like Flik? I liked the circus bugs. I liked the tension and presence the grasshoppers had over the whole story. Hopper is an awesome villain. Frick the haters, Bug's Life is really cool. The character designs aren't the best, but the atmosphere and cinematography is good enough to hold it up.
It's the movie they show to kids in school during special assemblies. Nobody actually willingly sits down and puts on A Bug's Life. It's like Scooby Doo, nobody is actively choosing to watch this shit.
it's impressive how Pacific Data Images was able to make Antz in less than 3 years. They started pre production in early 1996 and it premiered in october 1998. Silicon Graphics workstations were used
Antz is a very interesting film because it's the prototype of Shrek (the first film only, not the lame sequels) They were made by the same studio at the same Palo Alto building, plus Aron Warner produced both. Shrek owes a lot to Antz
A Bug's Life is a better kids movie. More colorful, fun, and with stronger characters.
Antz is a wide awake nightmare of uncanny valley ants with teeth, talking severed heads, and genocide.
Antz is the only time Gene Hackman, Christopher Walken and Woody Allen worked on animation. Fortunately, their characters (Mandible, Cutter and Z) are pretty good
Dreamworks bought a 40% stake on Pacific Data Images in march 1996 to make computer generated films. Antz was the first one. In february 2000, PDI founder Carl Rosendahl sold the remaining 60% and left the studio. Antz is the only CG film in history made when PDI was only partially owned by Dreamworks and when Rosendahl worked there (he executive produced Antz and supervised the whole thing)
>Flik, Atta, Dot, Queen, Hopper, Molt, Slim, Heimlich, Francis, Manny, Gypsy, Rosie, Tuck, Roll, Dim, P.T Flea, Thorny, Cornelius
why do you think audiences didn't warm up to A Bug's Life characters like they did with Toy Story, Monsters Inc, Finding Nemo or Cars characters?
>Antz >directors : Eric Darnell, Tim Johnson >producers : Aron Warner, Brad Lewis, Patty Wooton >executive producers : Penney Finkelman Cox, Sandra Rabins, Carl Rosendahl >music : Harry Gregson-Williams, John Powell >editor : Stan Webb >production designer : John Bell >head of layout : Simon J. Smith >supervising animators : Rex Grignon, Raman Hui >visual effects supervisors : Ken Bielenberg, Phillipe Gluckman
>Shrek >directors : Andrew Adamson, Vicky Jenson >producers : Aron Warner, John H. Williams, Jeffrey Katzenberg >executive producers : Penney Finkelman Cox, Sandra Rabins >music : Harry Gregson-Williams, John Powell >production designer : James Hegedus >editor : Sim Evan-Jones >head of layout : Simon J. Smith >supervising animator : Raman Hui >visual effects supervisor : Ken Bielenberg
more than enough similarities. Shrek is a spiritual successor to Antz
back when Shrek premiered in may 2001, some reviewers mentioned that it came from the people behind Antz. It was a well regarded film at the time
https://www.tucsonweekly.com/tucson/shrek/Film?oid=3841658
Childhood is bugs life
Adulthood is Antz
But hopper is a great villain and is better thanks to spacey over general mandible who may be more evil due to staring a war that killed a majority of his own colony and was willing to kill the rest and take power which is an homage to Ion Antonescu, he still doesn’t have any dialogue the put him above being a respectable villain other than saying I am the colony and his two false pretense speeches which shows his pettiness and deceit but not his personal resolve.
Hopper is upfront about everything to his victims and gang, and his “one ant” speech was memorable for a reason.
Both villains are very common in real life yet hopper gets his hands dirty directly than and is in the scene of his action while mandible is behind the scenes
PDI seemed like a fun place to work at. Comfy building at Palo Alto next to a railway track. Making Shrek was probably one of the most enjoyable experiences of those people's lives (plus the satisfaction of seeing their hard work pay off when audiences loved it)
It's funny how bith movies have a lot in common, including comfirmed rapists voicing the characters
Who are the Rapists?
Woody Allen and Kevin Spacey.
Dream Works pretty much stole the idea from Pixar. They approached Pixar with "hey what are you working on? don't worry we don't do 3D we are just curious haha" and it worked.
Antz is a film about socialism
My dad always laughed really hard at the 'workers control the means of production' line and I never knew why as a kid
Both of these mocies have a strong socialist message, not just Antz.
The whole speech in A Bug's Life from the grasshopper about how he's fricked if the Ants realize that he needs them more than they need him and that they're stronger than him if they band together is classic capitalist vs socialist stuff.
Standing up against oppressors isn't necessarily a communist message, you know. I know people here are probably just joking, but still it's a little silly.
Nobody even mentioned communism?
socialism and communism are basically the same thing
>but-
dont care
I don't think comparing socialism to an insect hive is the slam dunk you think it is.
It's not a "slam dunk" you braiwashed moron, it's just an obvious observation.
Quite the opposite,
The film is entirely about self actualization, individuality, and choice. The only reason that the colony is saved is because of someone going against the will of the community. If anything A Bug's Life fits the socialism trope better as that film is all about the workers uprising against the upperclass.
>Opposing criminal gangsters taking your groups resources is socialism
This is your brain on /misc/
>political thriller with violence (deaths, war, torture), mild swearing, alcoholism, dry humor, a fascist general villain, a near genocide/military coup via drowning, and social allegories, except with insects
Antz is a badass film
General Mandible is probably the least funny Dreamworks villain. I don't think he even has a single funny one-liner. They played the character of "Ant Hitler" completely straight and its kind of mindblowing
Tai Lung, that boring guy from HTTYD2, and Eris.
i don't like both
Bug's Life is awesome. I don't know why it's one of the most underrated Pixars, do people just not like Flik? I liked the circus bugs. I liked the tension and presence the grasshoppers had over the whole story. Hopper is an awesome villain. Frick the haters, Bug's Life is really cool. The character designs aren't the best, but the atmosphere and cinematography is good enough to hold it up.
It's the movie they show to kids in school during special assemblies. Nobody actually willingly sits down and puts on A Bug's Life. It's like Scooby Doo, nobody is actively choosing to watch this shit.
it's impressive how Pacific Data Images was able to make Antz in less than 3 years. They started pre production in early 1996 and it premiered in october 1998. Silicon Graphics workstations were used
Antz is a very interesting film because it's the prototype of Shrek (the first film only, not the lame sequels) They were made by the same studio at the same Palo Alto building, plus Aron Warner produced both. Shrek owes a lot to Antz
A Bug's Life is a better kids movie. More colorful, fun, and with stronger characters.
Antz is a wide awake nightmare of uncanny valley ants with teeth, talking severed heads, and genocide.
Antz wasn't meant as a kids movie. Every character is an adult (Bug's Life has child characters like Dot and her friends)
Saw both on DVD back in the day. I vaguely recall Antz but don't remember a thing about A Bug's Life, so I guess this checks out.
Z.
Z?
Z.
Go abandon some tanks
Cope and sneethe.
Z.
Yeah man nothing says antifacism like ultranationalist death squads in creepy masks invading their neighbors.
Damn straight.
Z.
Antz is the only time Gene Hackman, Christopher Walken and Woody Allen worked on animation. Fortunately, their characters (Mandible, Cutter and Z) are pretty good
Dreamworks bought a 40% stake on Pacific Data Images in march 1996 to make computer generated films. Antz was the first one. In february 2000, PDI founder Carl Rosendahl sold the remaining 60% and left the studio. Antz is the only CG film in history made when PDI was only partially owned by Dreamworks and when Rosendahl worked there (he executive produced Antz and supervised the whole thing)
oh for frick's sake not again
All Dreamworks threads are a vessel for Shark Tale to post trivia. Just accept it.
its funny we call him Shark Tale anon when he hasn't even talked about Shark Tale in ages. its always about Shrek and Shrek 2.
>great secrecy
indeed. PDI didn't share much information during production. It was quite a mysterious project in 1997
Neither is particularly good.
i absolutely love the Silicon Graphics animation in Antz and Shrek 1. There is a subtle charm in how they look
>crab guy got filtered by Antz
he isn't as inteligent as some believe
Oney and Zach talking about Antz is kino
Ahem
FRICK wasps
FRICK hornets
All hail the mighty honey bee.
>Flik, Atta, Dot, Queen, Hopper, Molt, Slim, Heimlich, Francis, Manny, Gypsy, Rosie, Tuck, Roll, Dim, P.T Flea, Thorny, Cornelius
why do you think audiences didn't warm up to A Bug's Life characters like they did with Toy Story, Monsters Inc, Finding Nemo or Cars characters?
>Z, Bala, Weaver, Mandible, Cutter, Azteca, Queen, Barbatus, Foreman, Chip, Muffy
personally, i prefer the Antz cast
I can't even remember them.
Why don't the male ants have wings?
>Antz
>directors : Eric Darnell, Tim Johnson
>producers : Aron Warner, Brad Lewis, Patty Wooton
>executive producers : Penney Finkelman Cox, Sandra Rabins, Carl Rosendahl
>music : Harry Gregson-Williams, John Powell
>editor : Stan Webb
>production designer : John Bell
>head of layout : Simon J. Smith
>supervising animators : Rex Grignon, Raman Hui
>visual effects supervisors : Ken Bielenberg, Phillipe Gluckman
>Shrek
>directors : Andrew Adamson, Vicky Jenson
>producers : Aron Warner, John H. Williams, Jeffrey Katzenberg
>executive producers : Penney Finkelman Cox, Sandra Rabins
>music : Harry Gregson-Williams, John Powell
>production designer : James Hegedus
>editor : Sim Evan-Jones
>head of layout : Simon J. Smith
>supervising animator : Raman Hui
>visual effects supervisor : Ken Bielenberg
more than enough similarities. Shrek is a spiritual successor to Antz
I thought you got permabanned
back when Shrek premiered in may 2001, some reviewers mentioned that it came from the people behind Antz. It was a well regarded film at the time
https://www.tucsonweekly.com/tucson/shrek/Film?oid=3841658
Childhood is bugs life
Adulthood is Antz
But hopper is a great villain and is better thanks to spacey over general mandible who may be more evil due to staring a war that killed a majority of his own colony and was willing to kill the rest and take power which is an homage to Ion Antonescu, he still doesn’t have any dialogue the put him above being a respectable villain other than saying I am the colony and his two false pretense speeches which shows his pettiness and deceit but not his personal resolve.
Hopper is upfront about everything to his victims and gang, and his “one ant” speech was memorable for a reason.
Both villains are very common in real life yet hopper gets his hands dirty directly than and is in the scene of his action while mandible is behind the scenes
PDI seemed like a fun place to work at. Comfy building at Palo Alto next to a railway track. Making Shrek was probably one of the most enjoyable experiences of those people's lives (plus the satisfaction of seeing their hard work pay off when audiences loved it)