Is X-Men '97 erasing Jim Lee?

Is X-Men '97 erasing Jim Lee?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hope so.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hope so. The damage that man has done to X-Men.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You mean like being the biggest selling comic ever and peak x-men awesomeness? You're right, he left it with nowhere to go but down. That bastard.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You mean like being the biggest selling comic ever and peak x-men awesomeness?
        Best selling? Jim Lee's X-Men #1 sold on the gimmick covers and catering to the comic speculator comic. On its own, it's a very average comic with a below-average story because Lee chased out the writer who made X-Men big in the first place.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Even without variant covers, it would have sold over 1 million easily. Jim Lee was the biggest artist at the time, X-Men was the biggest franchise, and they were launching a new #1. I did not lie.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Even without variant covers, it would have sold over 1 million easily
            Yeah, thanks to Ronald Perelman and his advertising abilities.

            btw, aside from the biggest artist, also the biggest xmen writer. You said Lee chased out the writer who made xmen big, but no, Chris Claremont wrote it.

            >You said Lee chased out the writer who made xmen big, but no, Chris Claremont wrote it.
            Yeah, with Jim Lee at his ear. The story takes a backseat to the art, which is why is's so middling for Claremont.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The story itself is fine but it's much too wordy for its own good which is on Claremont, not Lee.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's just standard Claremont, comics are a visual medium, some writers just don't know when to step back and let the art tell the story without having the characters or narration over-explain what you're seeing. But he got so big that style just became the norm for years, especially at Marvel.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That's just standard Claremont
                It's pretty crazy but that's exactly what the dude is like in real life too, I was at a con he was attending shortly after Romita died, and they did a memorial panel for him and Claremont spent like half of the entire time talking because every time he got started it was at least a 10 minute affair of him just going on endlessly. Ron Frenz was really visibly annoyed at him for taking up most of the time so pretty much nobody else on the panel had any time to talk about JR.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's just standard Claremont, comics are a visual medium, some writers just don't know when to step back and let the art tell the story without having the characters or narration over-explain what you're seeing. But he got so big that style just became the norm for years, especially at Marvel.

                >That's just standard Claremont, comics are a visual medium, some writers just don't know when to step back and let the art tell the story without having the characters or narration over-explain what you're seeing. But he got so big that style just became the norm for years, especially at Marvel.
                Except Claremont had been a 16-year veteran writer at Marvel and knew how to work with his artists to make both parties happy. X-Men #1 plot is all over the place because it was one of the last stories he and Lee were fighting over until Bob Harras fired him.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          btw, aside from the biggest artist, also the biggest xmen writer. You said Lee chased out the writer who made xmen big, but no, Chris Claremont wrote it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You said Lee chased out the writer who made xmen big, but no, Chris Claremont wrote it.
            Jim Lee taking precedence by editorial is what pushed Claremont to leave a few issues later.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >a few issues later.

              So you're saying that even with a writer who was supposedly hamstrung from the first issue, Jim Lee managed to make the biggest selling comic of all time. Gotcha. Anyway, that was the correct choice. Artists were the bigger stars and deserved the attention. The proof was in the sales.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And yet we're talking about X-men '97 and not WildCATS '96

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We should talk about WildCats

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Chris Claremont made X-Men into one of the most recognized and acclaimed comic books of all time, and Ronald Perelman made X-Men into the best-selling comic of all time. If Jim Lee was the driving force of sales then WildCATS would be making two milly at minimum in the mid-90s.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                wildcats sold over 1.5 million, without all the variant covers like x-men had.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >implying Perelman had anything to do with the comics at all

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is storm so dark? She never looked like that in the original show.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Storm's skin being lightened over the years has controversy so they're trying to course correct it
      It's like how people straight up forgot Sunspot is supposed to be half black because his skin just kept getting lighter
      Essentially, it's "colorism" and really The Boondocks explained it best

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      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I am dark skinned and bald, so I hate you and I hate Jesus
        Classic

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I kind of get them making sunspot lighter skin because they wanted the X-men to have some diversity. Does it take something away from the character? Maybe. It sucks a bit, but I much prefer this alongside a dark Storm and dark Bishop over making those two lighter because let’s be honest, who cares about Sunspot over. Storm? I do think people complaining about Storm not having her Krakoa hair don’t have an argument though.Like, were decades away from that.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >lighter skin
          >for diversity.

          But more seriously, I always thought the point was to have a full spectrum from Magic and Cannonball to literally Warlock.

          My no prize is that Sunspot has been in hiding so he's looking lighter right now as he can tan. From a more practical reason, maybe they want more contrast between regular and powered mode.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >lighter skin
          >for diversity.

          But more seriously, I always thought the point was to have a full spectrum from Magic and Cannonball to literally Warlock.

          My no prize is that Sunspot has been in hiding so he's looking lighter right now as he can tan. From a more practical reason, maybe they want more contrast between regular and powered mode.

          Isn't the problem with Sunspot being lighter is that his origin literally involves him being mixed and being shat on because of that?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Lol, black kids power is to get blacker.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              MIXED RACE black kid is to be even blacker than the space alien from planet black and yellow.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, but he's still black enough for that. Brazilian racial politics man.

            >Grey mannequins
            >Except storm, she's black
            Why? Do white people identify as greys?

            There's an insistence on black manequins now.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >There's an insistence on black manequins now.
              You just reminded me, there are full-black mannequins in the real world. I've never seen a brown one. They had to go out of their way to make one that's Storm's colour.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Except Storm isn't black. They're just claiming her now because she's apparently popular.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Come on man, she was introduced flying around in East Africa and has an East African look.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Come on man, she was introduced flying around in East Africa and has an East African look.
            So? Hank was introduced as a white guy with big hands and now he's fricking blue and furry. Storm was introduced as a mutt with the best parts from every race. She's supposed to look otherworldy, like a goddess. Not a random nigress from Africa. She's supposed to be caramel colored and look mystic as shit. That's why she has silver hair and blue eyes.

            I thought it was something like this.
            But I guess your comic is earlier. I dunno from when mine is, but flashbacks to childhood tend to be later on.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, I know she has blue eyes and white hair. I’m not blind. I also know she’s got weird cat features. Doesn’t change the fact that she’s ethnically black with some odd mutant features. I’m not going to start saying Nightcrawler isn’t ethnically European just because he has blue skin and yellow eyes.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I’m not blind.
                Yet you ignore the actual canon description of her as having brown, not black skin and not looking Black. So get that shit out of here with her being ethnically black. She's literally not ethnically black, she doesn't have a Black skull. She's different.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nobody has black skin or white skin. If you haven’t noticed, it’s all shades of browns and pinks.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There is a difference between a brown man, like an Indian and a black man, like an African. Words have meanings.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Brown can also be a descriptor for something, you know, like the color brown.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NTA but you’re on moron time. Look how fricking dark she is in her first appearance. Do you think it’s a coincidence that her introduction was in Kenya? Talking about “Black skulls” like it’s 1930. The creators of the character weren’t thinking about any of that shit. They were thinking “let’s have a black woman from Africa with weather powers and unusual eyes/hair because she’s a mutant. It’s almost like eye color/ and hair color and texture are fricking mutations in real life.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Those recruitment scenes are fun. There’s so much variety.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                True. Old school stuff had great pacing. No bogging down stuff with an overly-detailed explanation of things just “prepare your eyes for something cool. We’ll explain more later!”

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It depends. Most of the post Lee and Kirby stuff before Claremont absolutely sucks. It doesn’t really get good again until they bring the sentinels back, and that’s almost immediately before it was canned. Like sure, Jack Kirby was great at creating characters and plotting out a story, but Stan Lee’s writing was also a boon when compared to what came immediately after.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nono I’m not saying that writing isn’t necessary. It takes a good writer to know when to explain things and when it’s not necessary.

                During the era that you’re talking about, that’s when comics were sorta transitioning over to being extreme and not having any substance. It kinda reminds me of when Stan Lee, Todd McFarlane and Robb Leifield did a segment together. You can tell from some of the things Lee said that he didn’t have a high opinion of how things were changing in modern comics.

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              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >NTA but you’re on moron time. Look how fricking dark she is in her first appearance.
                Are you ignoring the middle bottom panel where she's clearly lit ad is far lighter than the panels where she's in complete shadow? I mean you're already ignoring most of her later canon appearances where she's clearly defined as being much lighter, at this point you're saying the hulk should still be gray because he was in the first issue. Here, since we're talking about a follow up to X-men 1992, here's the model sheet for that show for Storm. Which is what this show SHOULD be using as it's basis. Here is the Storm 1992 model sheet official color. Now frick off. They clearly made this change for political reasons, not aesthetic, and certainly not for 'accuracy to the source material' since she was this light in the comics that Xmen 1992 was adapting. So shut the frick up already. You're wrong.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I’m not ignoring anything. She’s clearly a dark skinned woman in the entirety of the comic. I’m not talking about the show or anything, I’m commenting on your ridiculous claims that she’s not a black woman when she clearly was. Claiming that she wasn’t clearly a black woman is fricking moronic.

                How’s the lighting on the page that

                I mean this is what she’s supposed to look like.

                posted? Literally like 3 pages after the one I poseted.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Talking about “Black skulls” like it’s 1930.
                Are you legitimately trying to imply that the different races don't have different skull shapes? Holy shit the revisionism is real. Either that or you're a sub 60 IQ mongoloid.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                With few exceptions differences between ethnic groups concerning skull shape aren’t that major unless you’re literally looking at them side by side and actually have studied human anatomy on that level. Also there’s a wide range of differences in skull shape WITHIN any ethnic group. There’s no way that you can look at a mutant like storm and say that she isn’t African because you’ve concluded that she “doesn't have a Black skull” (which seems to be a really dated way of referring to someone from sub-Sahara Africa) as though you can actually see what her fricking skull shape is, which you can’t.

                In her first appearance the artist gave her sorta a flat nose when you first see her face up close. I literally know black people in real life with a nose similar to that but I got experts sitting here talking about “Black skulls” in a fricking comic book.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Protip: if you have a skull with no context is very hard (albeit not impossible) to determine ethnicity. You need to know the phenotype of the population around the origin of the skull to certainly known ethnicity just by looking at it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Protip: if you have a skull with no context is very hard (albeit not impossible) to determine ethnicity
                How deep are you going with 'ethnicity'?
                White / black / asian?
                Or Scottish/Welsh / Kenyan/Sudanese / Chinese/Vietnamese?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The typical bone structure of certain ethnicities can still appear among other non related groups, so is not longer a 100 % reliable source, that's why context is essential.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You can get continents down pretty well though.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Did eyes always have bone behind them? How odd

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Did you think eyes were just backed directly by the brain floating in a void?
                The brain's, to the best of my knowledge, protected from all sides as best as biology can manage.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                tbf a lot of depictions of human skulls just have a blank void where the eye sockets are

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, there's only a small hole for the optic nerve.
                I remember reading an interview with an old Goju Ryu man from Japan who said he hit a Yakuza in the eye so hard he felt his finger hit the back of his eye socket.

                tbf a lot of depictions of human skulls just have a blank void where the eye sockets are

                That's because artists don't collect skulls any more. It used to be a thing.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Again, it's not a 100% thing since without context you can always frick up. That's why if you have a murder victim but it was moved from one place to another is really hard to ace how they looked.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Seems like the European male skull is the 'standard' in most settings.
                Whenever a spooky scary animated skeleton appears to harass the protagonists, it has the more squared off jaw and smaller eye sockets.

                I don't think it's about racist or anything, I just think it's interesting (possibly due to Europeans drawing skulls more often/earlier like on the Jolly Roger).

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              East Africans don't have long straightened hair like that

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It’s almost like she has some kind of mutation.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And Germans aren't Blue.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Some northern europeans can be blue because of a genetic mutation that causes the skin to become translucent, with the blood underneath showing. This was most famous in the case of a clan of inbred Appalachians, who were isolated and 100 years ago had a high frequency of this genetic expression due to cousin marriages.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you ingest high quantities of colloidal silver, you can end up with blue/gray skin.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This man must have dressed up as Papa Smurf at least once.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Holy Shit a Real life Dunmer!

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >So? Hank was introduced as a white guy with big hands and now he's fricking blue and furry
              Are you implying Storm experimented on her skin like Hank?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NTA but I think race is her secondary mutation, flipping from multiracial to black, cat's eyes to blue to no pupils etc

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NTA but her eyes have always been blue and the catlike shape to her eyes was probably just the artist’s idea of beautiful woman eyes. The no pupils thing is a long time superhero comic thing that is a cool look. Like, I used to read elfquest and they did the no pupil thing all the time when lurking in shadows and stuff. It just looks cool.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I distinctly remember some comic which stated her features were neither african nor caucasian, they were basically inexplicable. I doubt this is often taken into account but it was interesting.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NTA but her eyes have always been blue and the catlike shape to her eyes was probably just the artist’s idea of beautiful woman eyes. The no pupils thing is a long time superhero comic thing that is a cool look. Like, I used to read elfquest and they did the no pupil thing all the time when lurking in shadows and stuff. It just looks cool.

                I don't think it was the artist's original intent (african having blue eyes to show she's a mutie with magic powers) but some africans have a melanin deficiency in their eyes that causes them to become blue, so it is not actually impossible for a pure african to have blue eyes but the reason is different from Europeans.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Storm is Kenyan, she's supposed to be basically black, but more left than right. The showrunners know this and intentionally chose to darken her up because they want blacker points. But it just makes Storm look bad because they can't color grade the show properly and she stands out and blends into backgrounds and shit, it's just bad design because they're trying to make a political stance with the character design despite the fact the original show understood making her too dark would frick up the look of the show.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Egyptian

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                She's not and she has never been Egyptian.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Her parents lived and died in Egypt but yeah they were an African-American and a Kenyan.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah I don't know why some anons think she's not black when her father is from a Black person ghetto in New York and her Mother is pure african

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I can see the argument, defining her as 'just black' is a very american way of seeing things because white americans and black americans tend to be mutts of various ethnicities. In the context of Kenya though it begs a question what kind of Kenyan, since they have all the different groups like the extremely tall Maasai hunters (elephants HATE them), Somalis who used to want to secede and join somalia but now they're fine being in a country with a functional government, Kikuyu in urban areas, Indian immigrants, British people who own large nature preserves protecting elephants (the Maasai HATE them), Chinese people who want the Maasai to hunt the elephants for magic penis pills (just use cialis lmao).

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Storm is Kenyan, she's supposed to be basically black, but more left than right. The showrunners know this and intentionally chose to darken her up because they want blacker points. But it just makes Storm look bad because they can't color grade the show properly and she stands out and blends into backgrounds and shit, it's just bad design because they're trying to make a political stance with the character design despite the fact the original show understood making her too dark would frick up the look of the show.

            Nta
            I mean, it's debatable. There's the infamous page of Storm being described as having features of all races, written by Claremont no less, there's page of 18th century tripping Jean Grey imagining Storm as a much more black woman, with darker skin and blacker features. Storm also has weird ass eyebrows, blue cat-like eyes and white hair, none of which are traditional african features.
            All i'm saying is there more evidence for Storm being black than iceman being gay, for example. People rile up very easily about this discussion for some reason.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >blue cat-like eyes and white hair, none of which are traditional african features.
              They're not traditional human features in general. People don't have white hair, at most they get grey hair when they're old or if they have fewer pigment cells in hair follicles for some unusual reason.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                True but she's also supposed to have an arian (i don't know the better term sorry) nose. So, with her eyes, nose and hair not looking like that of a black girl, was storm really supposed to look like a black girl?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lmao what is the context for this
                Brainwashing?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah Jean is under mastermind's influence. It's the start of dark phoenix saga actually

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You need some classic claremont in your life.

                What's wrong with it? And don't say it's woke shit.

                MY CARAMEL BROWN WAIFU IS OVERCOOKED! GET HER AN UMBRELLA!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Read the Claremont x-men run, how are their people on co that haven’t read that yet?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The phenotype shitposter is back
                Phenotypes aren't associated with race you mong, it's genetics. Some blacks have "aryan features" while some blacks can have black features.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We need to measure Storm's head to determine her skull shape from the old cartoon vs the new one.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I agree. I think Cyclops is black too tbh, not all black people jave black skin and black features. It would be racist to assume otherwise

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Exactly, we can't abide racist ideas like that, it's almost as bad as when people claim that only men have penises.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How else is a black kid supposed to see himself as a hero blasting baddies with laser eyes without proper representation?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Except Storm isn't black.
          gtfo newbie
          GET OUT

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Except Storm isn't black. They're just claiming her now because she's apparently popular.

          [...]

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They really whitewashed Alex Wilde in the Savage Dragon cartoon. Erik Larsen was complaining that she looked white in the animation cels during production, when she's a very dark Latina in the comics but they just told him "she'll look darker once we photograph it" and then made her even whiter.
        Don't get me started on Baxter Stockman in the Turtle cartoon.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Don't get me started on Baxter Stockman in the Turtle cartoon.
          The 80s show made him white for politically correct reasons, they thought having a Steve Urkel-like as Shredder's underling would have been offensive.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Don't get me started on Baxter Stockman in the Turtle cartoon.
          The 80s show made him white for politically correct reasons, they thought having a Steve Urkel-like as Shredder's underling would have been offensive.

          IIRC white Stockman was designed as an entirely separate character at first and then they just decided to make him Baxter
          Fun fact, the design was actually brought back in MMPR/TMNT

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >madea at the end

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      we wuz kangz cleopetera wuz black kang of egypt too.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean this is what she’s supposed to look like.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I thought it was something like this.
        But I guess your comic is earlier. I dunno from when mine is, but flashbacks to childhood tend to be later on.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Was Starfire created as a knockoff Storm in design?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            more like a knockoff phoenix

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, Red Sonja knockoff.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Oh, and I think she had cat-like eyes too, but I'm really digging far back for that one, so I could be way off.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This was something no other writer ever brought up because it’s stupid. Claremont at one point wanted Storm to come from a lineage of witches for fricks sake.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Of course it’s us earlier. It’s literally storms first appearence issue.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sure, if it was an adaptation of that comic. But it's not, it's a continuation of X-Men TAS where she looked like this

        Why is storm so dark? She never looked like that in the original show.

        You can argue that designing her like that in the original run of the show was problematic or whatever if you're moronic I guess, but regardless of why they decided to make her a delicious caramel goddess, that's what she looked like and changing it in the continuation to be more in line with a comic from way way back is kind of fricking stupid.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Changes made to be more faithful to the source material are fine and a welcome change to how most adaptations are done.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But this

            Why is storm so dark? She never looked like that in the original show.

            is the source material in this case, you moronic homosexual

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              moron

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Please explain what's wrong about the post you quoted.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        She seems lighter on the cover.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It’s because it’s printed on white paper. It’s what makes rereading old comics so annoying because they don’t get reprinted on paper that’s the same tone as the old paper. The colors look so gaudy and vibrant on white paper because the colors were selected with newsprint in mind. I pray that one day Marvel will release omnibus on toned paper, but at the moment it seems very unlikely.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You mean like this, right?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What the frick is wrong with Kitty

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Wolverine
        >Colossus
        >Storm
        >Nightcrawler
        You think Xavier or Cyclops knew how great of a team they got here?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Xavier definitely. Cyclops was still all about his old team at this point.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Reed Richards designed some creepy looking pride parade fetish suits for them. Was Reed trolling the muties by tricking them in to dressing like clowns?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This fricking flatscan talking like he's a better character designer than wienerrum and Byrne. Kys.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Was Reed trolling the muties by tricking them in to dressing like clowns?
          I've seen the hellfire gala. They don't need his help for that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      She in the desert.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What does that even mean, the desert doesn't change your skin color.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >doesn’t understand color theory
          I’ll help you. Dark colors on bright backgrounds look darker. Dark colors on darker background look lighter. Storm in desert looks very dark because the desert is very bright.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            ’t understand color theory
            Yes, this show doesn't understand color theory that's exactly what I'm trying to explain to you. Storm's color is bad in this show, it's a bad hue. Thank you for agreeing with me.

            also you're a fricking idiot. Storm would be lit by the sun from the sky and the subsurface scattering light coming from the sand. Storm in the desert should look BRIGHTER than she does indoors in the x-mansion you fricking idiot. If you're going to correct me at least have the decency to be right. homie trying to educate me about color theory. Learn how light works homie.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What do you mean? She just looks that way due to 90s low resolution tv

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Her character model's right here

        >NTA but you’re on moron time. Look how fricking dark she is in her first appearance.
        Are you ignoring the middle bottom panel where she's clearly lit ad is far lighter than the panels where she's in complete shadow? I mean you're already ignoring most of her later canon appearances where she's clearly defined as being much lighter, at this point you're saying the hulk should still be gray because he was in the first issue. Here, since we're talking about a follow up to X-men 1992, here's the model sheet for that show for Storm. Which is what this show SHOULD be using as it's basis. Here is the Storm 1992 model sheet official color. Now frick off. They clearly made this change for political reasons, not aesthetic, and certainly not for 'accuracy to the source material' since she was this light in the comics that Xmen 1992 was adapting. So shut the frick up already. You're wrong.

        But it doesn't matter, DeMayo has his preference for dark-skinned Storm so that's the way she's going to be.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I mean it does contrast better with her white hair

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Are you high?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              A little bit yeah

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >why is does the black woman have black skin wtf
      This is a silly website.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        "Why did they alter a character's skin tone" is a legitimate question and it's been answered

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Mutant with altered appearance
        >Doesn't look like a typical african american
        Yes.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean this is what she’s supposed to look like.

      you are both morons, storm looks light skinned in the series because of the tech and colour palette

      people literally used to have massive autistic fights over the colour of XMEN TAS charles' chair exactly because of this

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >people literally used to have massive autistic fights over the colour of XMEN TAS charles' chair exactly because of this
        I don't get that as his chair is clearly yellow.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          really? Who would lose their shit about a yellow chair?

          [...]
          They deliberately didn't give a frick back then to match it up closely.

          OH HELL NAW. IT'S GOLDENROD YOU MUGGAFRICKERS.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        really? Who would lose their shit about a yellow chair?

        What part of Africa is Storm's tribe from?
        Using that as a reference would probably give you the closest idea of what she's "should" look like.

        They deliberately didn't give a frick back then to match it up closely.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >really? Who would lose their shit about a yellow chair?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They could have made her a darker shade of brown, that was simply the shade she was in the comics at the time they made the cartoon, nothing more to it than that.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >They could have made her a darker shade of brown
          your inner racist finds a need for it. people weren't so racist in the 90s so skin colours didn't exist above aesthetic considerations of colour palettes.

          the "THEY ARE LIGHTENING THE CHARACTERS" bullshit is 100% invented outrage.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >>the "THEY ARE LIGHTENING THE CHARACTERS" bullshit is 100% invented outrage.
            In the comics they absolutely did make her skin lighter and her face more Euro-centric starting with the Paul Smith era in comparison to the wienerrum and Byrne eras.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >artists change
              >they can't draw female faces for shit
              >capeshit sameface ensues
              >surprisedpikachu.jpg
              >this is somehow whitewashing

              m a n u f a c t u r e d o u t r a g e

              if you asked *any* artist who drew storm they'd tell you she was dark skinned black.

              And wienerrum literally draw her as an ayy lmao fantasy seductress face complete with cat eyes.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >people weren't so racist in the 90s

            Yes they were. Colorism was a thing even in those days. That’s why Eddie Murphy was the darkest black actor in Hollywood until Wesley Snipes started getting jobs and even then he was the rare exception

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >black means ghetto
              bruh

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You mean the orange chair?

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wish they just give us something new or gave us a new twist or take on them

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, it’s just going to slowly transition from a 90’s era x-men show to a general x-men show.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I do prefer the white shoulder pads
    i think its on Brand
    She basically looks like a cloud

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, all of them will have different outfits when it done. I'm just wondering if they're going to go the 2000s leather route like they already did with Jubilee.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think it will be a mix from all different eras. Like how Storm is OG while June has a more modern look with the black jumpsuit. I expect Cyke might get one of his condom head suits.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Jubilee*

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, he's now the boss of the Distinguished Competency

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I just finished TAS and started Evolution. What the frick is this shit. How do people LIKE this?!

    It's painful to watch.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      (Me)
      Gone back to FoXmen instead, while i wait

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Was making Amara brown the right move?

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >erasing Jim Lee
    jesus you talk like those gays over twitter

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    how did we go from this...

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      to THIS

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Disney
        It's kinda amazing how cheap the show looks.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're tripping right? To this day I can't get myself to watch X-Men TAS because of how bad the animation for it gets.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    explains a lot.
    so it really doesnt get any better?

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    lorna waiting room

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Look at all there characters I really like that we won’t see working as a team.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I like that Quicksilver has gotten so many cameos this season

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Cyke learned about his dad
      >Learned about his son
      Any chance he reunites with Alex and they learn about their connection? It was always weird how the original show hinted at it yet didn't go further.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    VOTE FOR 10 FAVORITE STORM OUTFITS!

    https://strawpoll.com/XmZRxqGAWnd

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Stormcaster #1 - Cleavage & bare legs [not on chart]

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Stormcaster #1 - Cleavage & bare legs [not on chart]

      This with a red cape like #9 & thigh high boots like #1/9 would be my absolute ideal Storm suit.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Stormcaster #1 - Cleavage & bare legs [not on chart]

        VOTE FOR 10 FAVORITE STORM OUTFITS!

        https://strawpoll.com/XmZRxqGAWnd

        > Stormcaster #2 - Scales & cleavage [not on chart]

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          [...]
          This with a red cape like #9 & thigh high boots like #1/9 would be my absolute ideal Storm suit.

          >Stormcaster #1 - Cleavage & bare legs [not on chart]

          VOTE FOR 10 FAVORITE STORM OUTFITS!

          https://strawpoll.com/XmZRxqGAWnd

          > Stormcaster #3 - Scales & no cleavage [not on chart]

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      [...]
      [...]
      > Stormcaster #3 - Scales & no cleavage [not on chart]

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      My picks!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I like #2, the Grace Jones, and #3, the Tina Turner.
      And I liked how Age of Apocalypse had every character in an 80's inspired look that matched their old costume, so Angel was Billy Idol, Nightcrawler had the Thriller jacket and the Flock of Seagulls hair, while Storm's look was based on Annabella Lwinn from Bow Wow Wow.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I genuinely believe image rights bullshit has had a negative effect on comics where they have to make characters look more bland and samefacey because they can't pretend they don't take inspiration from real people

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ie Dazzler should look like Taylor Swift

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Taylor swift should look like dazzler.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            She was supposed to be Grace Jones. Then she got whitewashed to Bo Derek.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      She peaked at 1.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Huh. I would think Storm would have at least a few visulaly wakkandan or cat related outfits.

      And did she borrow 24 from Ms Marvel?

      >Stormcaster #1 - Cleavage & bare legs [not on chart]

      GRACE JONES AS FRICK.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's your favourite X men aesthetic

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the only other two covers with both beast and nightcrawler are x-treme x-men 18 and amazing x-men 1

      my aesthetic are x-men comics that do not involve cyclops, jean grey, emma frost or wolverine. imagine all the character development we could have for literally all the other mutants

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I like Marc Silvestri and his Patrick Nagel fashion show art, where every figure looked like a sketch by a fashion designer. Best Rogue ever.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's hilarious that twitter is whining sunspot is too light while Cinemaphile is whining Storm is too dark

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Idiots.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      meanwhile none of them have calibrated their monitors or tvs, so they don't even know what the frick they're arguing about.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How is Storm’s darker skin a problem?

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Okay guys, but does Storm have white feet?

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Storm is so cool and is the best member of the x-men

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Too easy. I like a little challenge when I’m drawing porn.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I hope we get a solo movie with her now that the x-men are coming to Disney

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wish more fanfic smut of her didn't give her the hot milf role.

      Only good smut of her young self was a OroroxXavier fic when she was a pickpocket but that fic got deleted.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jim Lee erased himself when he sold all his work to DC.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I'm torn about this, since moving away from the aesthetic of a show that's steeped in the 90s feels disingenuous. Yet I can't deny that seeing the cast in their best individual looks from the comics would be awesome.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But remember, it's about killing nostalgia because nostalgia is bad and you have to grow up. But also keep consooming our nostalgia bait with your nostalgia bux.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone else wanna rape Storm? It easy really hot when she was crying about losing her powers, imagine if you raped her while her omega level mutation can dl nothing to stop the rape.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're a sick frick. Also, Storm is very skilled in hand-to-hand combat and could definitely beat the ever-loving shit out of you.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ywn cum on storms hair in public while she walks around without noticing it

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Wolverine constantly gets hit on by a homosexual
    >Cyclops' son gets taken away from him by a black man
    >Gambit is killed off for the crime of being a white male

    man they weren't lying when they said this was woke

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ironic shitposting is still shitposting

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    It's a colour photograph.
    We've had the technology for a few decades. Maybe even a dozen decades.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      to

      This cope. still wating for you to explain this

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This cope. still wating for you to explain this

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      webms are a new file format that allows for better quality videos than gifs.
      It also allows for sound, but that's only on /wsg/
      ...Maybe /gif/ too, I dunno.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's a african with blue eyes or gray...

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Do you know what thread you're in? It's the mutant x gene, einstein.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ITT: Strom isn't Black person black but brown just like my anime brown girls
    Another day of arguing over literally everything.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No one denies that Storm's african.
      They're just saying it's weird to alter her skin colour from what it was, which is true.
      It's weird that white characters rarely, if ever, have this problem. There's so much feeling tied up to what PARTICULAR shade of brown someone is.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But even

        VOTE FOR 10 FAVORITE STORM OUTFITS!

        https://strawpoll.com/XmZRxqGAWnd

        shows that it's not always consistent in that she sometimes is slightly darker, besides having Strom be darker in 97 doesn't diminish her in the slightest since she still looks great in it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >she still looks great in it.
          Did you post that image to prove your point? Because it really, REALLY doesn't.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What's wrong with it? And don't say it's woke shit.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not enough contrast with costume, too much contrast with hair. Also looks cheap but that's the show.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's a fair complaint, it's not that huge of a problem as we've only seen her outfit in one since so far.

                What part of Africa is Storm's tribe from?
                Using that as a reference would probably give you the closest idea of what she's "should" look like.

                she's afroamerican so she's mystery meat.

                she's also raised in cairo egypt from like age 4 so she's ethnically arabic.

                she ended in africa in a fit of autismos after her mutant power awakened.

                then priest in his utter obsession with all things black made her actually a distant descendant of that same village she ended up taking over because she's secrectly magic

                Well, her god son is from Africa and is a similar shade of brown, I just think there isn't a lot of very dark black people in the 90s cartoon.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                His name is Mjnari, he's from Mount Kilimanjaro in Tanzania. Yes, is confusing.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Well, her god son is from Africa and is a similar shade of brown
                again, it's a matter of contrast and visibility. "does this look visible on a 90s CRT screen?"

                All animation back then shied from certain colours because they were visually confusing.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well this isn't as dark as OP but they hypothetically could go darker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwAJ6ELNiwc

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Also here's Rocket Racer from Spider-Man which was X-Men's contemporary.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you used Hasbro studios / Sunbow productions' animation technologies and not south korean and jap studios

                Also here's Rocket Racer from Spider-Man which was X-Men's contemporary.

                not that's literally not how it looked like, you are using an AI upscaled pic on what's probably a previously colour-retouched video.

                This is how it originally looked like: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x21tmz
                Even lighter than storm.

                Plus, spiderman TAS was one of the first digitally animated series around, season 3 IIRC was the full switch. Some time later people realized they could go crazy on colour selection.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >"does this look visible on a 90s CRT screen?"
                You know that 90's CRT screens weren't just black and white, right?
                Hell, black actors could be seen on those screens too.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >live action and animation are the same thing
                weasel words.

                And CRTs had lowevered visibility overall: shitty CRTs - which were most of the product at homes - were both badly tuned by the user and muddled colours a bit due to the nature of the tech.

                Like it or not dark brown on black lines was hard to pull off coherently and most studios prefered light brown. After all, it's an abstracted medium, people are intelligent and will correctly interpret the person is darker than he actually looks, RIGHT?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >dark brown on black lines was hard to pull off coherently
                Fat Albert did it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >live action and animation are the same thing
                weasel words.

                And CRTs had lowevered visibility overall: shitty CRTs - which were most of the product at homes - were both badly tuned by the user and muddled colours a bit due to the nature of the tech.

                Like it or not dark brown on black lines was hard to pull off coherently and most studios prefered light brown. After all, it's an abstracted medium, people are intelligent and will correctly interpret the person is darker than he actually looks, RIGHT?

                Right, sorry, my bad, Fat Albert was way back in the 70s. By the 90s, no one could do dark skinned cartoon characters.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >with US cel technologies

                you are one of those blackness schizos who tries to manipulate his way out of being wrong right? no matter what anyone says you'll find a way to talk circles into it being somehow racist.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                All your bs about the low quality of CRTs is pure nonsense. (monitor expert here)
                CRTs always had a higher dynamic range than pixel based monitors and were capable of wider gamuts as well. Even if someone didn't know how to use them, their inherent ability to display a huge range of tone and color meant you were seeing more of the millions of colors your eye is capable of distinguishing than with pixel-based screens. (newer screens like oled were the only ones who could surpass the best crts)

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                if you ignore manufacturing issues or just plain old shit being dominant.

                i do agree early flatscreen varied even more wildly and choked on colour but CRTs had their peculiarities - not everyone had a sony.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well people make white characters darker and lighter and no one cares. Superman TAS ultimately went with the Greek and Egyptian color theory of tan men and pale women, though this resulted in some confusion because a good number of people thought Luthor was black thanks to his big Greek lips.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Clark becomes whiter when he's Superman
          Huh, never noticed.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            For whatever reason the colors on that sheet aren't accurate. In the show itself, all men had the same darker tone.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It's weird that white characters rarely, if ever, have this problem.
        I've seen people whine about certain white or asian characters not being as tan as they once were disregarding it being an artistic choice in some instances. There's just an obsession with not being white nowadays.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thank the woke teachers (and parents) telling their kids how important skin color is to their lives, while they ignoring the fact that them skipping school, doing drugs and sitting on social media has way more impact on their lives than skin color ever will.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    jim lee didn't have more than 20 issues in x.men, total.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not about how long he worked on it, but the shadow he's cast over the franchise.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What part of Africa is Storm's tribe from?
    Using that as a reference would probably give you the closest idea of what she's "should" look like.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      she's afroamerican so she's mystery meat.

      she's also raised in cairo egypt from like age 4 so she's ethnically arabic.

      she ended in africa in a fit of autismos after her mutant power awakened.

      then priest in his utter obsession with all things black made her actually a distant descendant of that same village she ended up taking over because she's secrectly magic

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're doing it for every character, cyclops, wolverine and jean too.

    Jubilee is in her 2010s design.
    https://vxtwitter.com/xmenupdate/status/1787881260704301063?s=46

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cyclops is a total downgrade, misplaced nostalgia. The only time the head condom look worked for me was the Bendis-Men run with the X visor.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The thing is that its not nostalgia for the people that are into 90s x-men outside of maybe brown wolverine. Its nostalgia for the writers that clearly grew up with claremont and view those as the iconic looks of these characters.

        Which is the thing x-men 97 is better than every post mcu marvel cartoon because it actually tries doing shit from the comics...but its mostly pulling from stuff other than the 90s outside of some specific character usage. Its more so a claremont and 00s adaptation. That'sa breath of fresh air but idk if the best way to continue this show.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also clear, sunspot is joining magneto in collosus's role.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >70s Jean and Rogue
      why

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Headwriter likes claremont the most, pretty clearly. I like 80s rouges...but its weird given the jacket look is her most popular one to this day.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Back in the 80s, was it ever actually shown how Kitty and Illyana became best friends?
    >illyana comes back from limbo aged up
    >right after that, kitty gets stuck in space doing brood shit
    >illyana already thinks of her as her best friend at this point
    Did they just become BFFs offscreen?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i think one or two annuals, but yeah it was never gradual, kitty sees her and instantly declares she her roomie.

      >the new mutants? lmao frick them

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Does Illyana ever tell Kitty about how she killed a brainwashed furry version of her?

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what a downgrade

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Grey mannequins
      >Except storm, she's black
      Why? Do white people identify as greys?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Rogue’s suit is the only real downgrade, the rest are fine, and Wolverine’s is an improvement

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Rogue should be fricking naked to use her powers.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Cyke's hair needs to breathe.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You have terrible taste.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You have horrendous taste, no one, NO ONE likes Marvel Girl's outfit for Jean, for frick's sake, she becomes Phoenix every other weekend exactly because it is by far her most iconic look.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          She looks like an off colored Catwoman. I never understood why she has the points in the mask. Are they supposed to resemble an “M”?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Bump

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That wasn't necessary, you ass clown.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >a bunch of skin-tight superhero costumes
      >a random mechanics outfit

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I prefer these costumes, but it feels weird to revive this show and get rid of its most identifiable element.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >revive this show and get rid of its most identifiable element.
        Did they really want to revive it or did they want to make an X-men cartoon, but Disney was tired of throwing money into the pit that is Marvel's non-movie output, so they needed nostalgia bait to get greenlit?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      More like an upgrade! Jim Lee's character designs are crap and don't touch the likes of wienerrum, Byrne, etc.

      The Jim Lee erasure is FANTASTIC!!!!

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is a show sold around being a continuation of the show that made those looks popular, if it didn't want to do it..just make a new x-men show with the 80s designs.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nah, trashing the work of the butthole that ruined X-Men (well, Jim Lee and Bob Harras together) is so delicious.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Then..dont make this x-men 97...or frick it, give them their post jim lee costumes. They're cool for jean and storm.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >ruined
            I mean..it made x-men its most popular objectively. And it remains the most marketable version of the team, which is why this continuation even exists. So doing a flip doesn't do much but alienate the people that like that take the most.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wolverine and storm are improvements, the others are massive downgrades.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not even the same X-Men anymore at this point, next season might as well change the iconic OP theme to commit the ultimate sin, turning into a complete new X-Men cartoon altogether.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Only storm looks good. The rest are terrible.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I would agree if not for wolverine, he's dope.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Horrendous choice, I will just be rooting for them to start referencing the Ultimate inspired era where even the Uncanny mainline had everyone start dressing in black too.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I’m fine with all of them except cyclops. I know people think the Jean outfit is trash too, but you have to remember that Jean has never had a good outfit. Storm and Wolverine are improvements and Rogue is fine.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >but you have to remember that Jean has never had a good outfit
        There's a reason Phoenix Jean is the only merch that sells on her name, it is her only good look.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Phoenix is probably the best, but even then it’s still worse than everyone else on the team at the time. Like she doesn’t have the worst costume ever for the team, that goes to Angel with his suspenders.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I’m fine with all of them except cyclops. I know people think the Jean outfit is trash too, but you have to remember that Jean has never had a good outfit. Storm and Wolverine are improvements and Rogue is fine.

          It’s not that bad

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I like jean's short lived post jim lee 90s costume, and her ultimate one even if that just makes her rachel design wise.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Jean is way too mature to wear that costume, shit is gonna come off as one of those doujins where an older woman has to wear a schoolgirl outfit.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What kind of comparison is that? Nobody finds older women wearing schoolgirl outfits for a fetish to be bad, the Marvel Girl look just fricking sucks, Jean going around in a sailor uniform would be far better.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Jean should be naked and make everyone think she's wearing clothes. That way she's becoming stronger by constantly having to use her powers and if a villain knocks her out, they'll be distracted by a naked redhead.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that's Emma Frost's gimmick

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, but Jean's a redhead

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Jean's Stacy Aura includes classic redhead tsundere b***hness.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Nobody finds older women wearing schoolgirl outfits for a fetish to be bad,
          Part of the angle is the humiliation/contrast of a more mature/thiccer body in illfitting clothes. Which is fine for eroticism but not something you can take serious.
          I can't take Jean in her late 20's or older(and really a lot of people think of X-men TAS Jean as 30+) in that outfit seriously because it would seem mismatched

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      so fricking shit. No. Frick all of you who think these looks better.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Storm
      Massive upgrade. Easily her most iconic and sexy costume.
      >Cyke
      Sidegrade
      >Jean
      Upgrade.
      >Wolverine
      Upgrade
      >Rogue
      Massive fricking downgrade.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Marvel Girl is an incredibly dated costume, only in the 60s.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I like the hood on the green and white costume. With as many costume changes as everyone has had so far, she'll probably get more changes maybe next season or possibly even this season if she switches sides again.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Cyke
        >Sidegrade
        What's wrong with you?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Jean
        >Upgrade.
        The mark of either a contrarian or someone with horrendously inexplicable shit taste. NOBODY cares about the boogie Marvel Girl look.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So they revived this show and it was almost entirely hyped up around 90s nostalgia and now they're swapping it out for nostalgia for the 70s and 80s of which there are very few fans left? Brilliant idea. Why would they change the aesthetic? Why get rid of the best Cyke, Rogue and Jean costumes for these "eh" ones?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      actually they are completely remaking operation zero tolerance, surprisingly good

      wonder if they'll do x-cutioners song

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dont forget doing shit from the 2000s and 2010s lol

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >omega sentinel walking behind bastion the whole ep
    man this series is just great

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People claiming the 70s costumes are cool have fricking brain damage. Underpants on the outside, condom head and a fricking prom dress with a big facemask were never cool. Why would jean start wearing a mask when she has no dual identity here? God this is moronic

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Underpants on the outside

      Are you saying Jim Lee's awful designs didn't have that?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Jean wore the suit in the past in the show's canon. Most of the suits had underpants in the 90s too. It is still dumb I guess. Ironicallyt he only one that didn't show up prior is the most marketable ones in storm and logan's designs.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why does wolverine wear a mask?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        From his canadian glowie days

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      At the time the rest of the team had their iconic 90's looks, Jean was wearing the nowheresville bland Whilce Portacio costume.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When are they putting Magneto’s robot maid in the show?

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I am increasingly feeling like they didn't actually want to revive the 90s show, they just did a bait and switch and started it off that way only to transition it into a generic X-Man show. I feel like we'll start getting further and further from the 90s status quo and maybe seasons 2 and 3 will cover totally different eras (Decimation/Utopia and Krakoa).

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good... the Bob Harras/Scott Lobdell/Jim Lee/Rob Liefeld era was absolute shit!

      Thank you Marvel, for taking this public dump on it!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It makes sense. There’s only so many storylines that took place in the 90s. To do previous and later stories makes sense in the long run.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >he doesn't recognize zero tolerance
      you can't get more 90s than that unless you go full autism with onslaught.

      not only that, they are arranging deep pulls from the late 80s and 90s too

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They defintely pull a lot from the 80s. And bastion is certainly a 90s character. But this is all predicated on the 80s story inferno AND the geonoashan genocide from he 2000s.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          man this is such a stupid argument. What do you think *5* seasons worth of x-men TAS tackled? The 20 issues Jim Lee was in?

          >80s story
          >inferno
          xmen tas is from 92 senpai, inferno was mid 89. little more than 2 years ago.

          genosha was a core element of the 90s jim lee run too, it gets forgotten after xcutioners' song handles the william stryker scorpion like shit.

          jim lee / lobdell era 90s has 5 arcs
          xcutioners song
          phalanx covenant
          zero tolerance
          age of apocs
          onslaught
          plus percy's the twelve if you autistically include everything

          so far they used inferno (89), roguexmagneto (90), lifedeath (87), beto being 100% original (his mom was the the good one, the father was an ahole), trishxbeast (84) with only genoshan genocide being post 90s.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I actually have zero issue with them adapting 80s stories, I have issues with them adapting 2000s and 2010s arcs.

            And eh the potryal of genosha is very modern krakoa-ish, and jubilee flat out wears her 2010s vampire costume.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I do take an issue with the usage of sunspot, even if it was just to make him evil. I guess its better that than they make a gen x character evil, but the pairing with jubilee feels random and like the sort of thing the 2000s x-men shows did.

              The usage of background characters from the 2000s with only two from the 90s proper also feels odd to me.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Come on, the genosha being attacked by sentinels as magneto gets martryd while secretly alive and now more anti-human than ever is just the Morrison plot, as is the way madeline/scott (replacing emma) and logan/jean are handled. And scott's overall personality being more rightclops than anything.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >sees one (1) thing from morrison
              >instantly imagines all kinds of shit
              shit Black person did you know the biggest loganxjean teasing happened in 95? age of apocalypse.
              >b-but it was an au
              reflecting what many people thought in the 90s.

              >being more rightclops
              literally no, I don't see him having 200 billion plans por everything and going "just trust me im cyclops" whenever questioned

              again, it's LITERALLY
              >sees one (1) thing from morrison
              >instantly imagines all kinds of shit

              I actually have zero issue with them adapting 80s stories, I have issues with them adapting 2000s and 2010s arcs.

              And eh the potryal of genosha is very modern krakoa-ish, and jubilee flat out wears her 2010s vampire costume.

              >very krakoa ish
              genosha under mags was basically a nazi-style cult. for all 10 issues it existed. Flags and all.
              In the EP he instantly says "AH YES THE OLIGARCHS WHO RUN THIS "NATION" WANT A NICE PUBLIC FACE TO LEAD THEM" which is a very lowkey diss of genosha being more of the same but with the tables turned.

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Listen you can put Cyclops in his X Factor or Ultimate costumes if you really want to move away from the Jim Lee designs but stop putting him in the condom head outfits

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I like his astonishing look with a jacket or his alex ross one.

      Oh and the x-factor one is underrated as frick, agreed

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think condom head could work with a jacket.

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Scarlet Witch has been hinted to appear in this season.

    We're gonna get Decimation.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Doubt it, probably will be in the avengers to setup that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >character made a full appearance in just one episode of the original series, plus a split-second cameo
      >bring her back from out of nowhere just to throw her under the bus because you've got to adapt Decimation, you've just got to
      That bald moron has cursed Wanda forever

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I hope Wanda gets thrown under the bus because she’s a trash character compared to her brother.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How about just not using her in this cartoon?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I hope she enters the cartoon, only for magneto to say “my daughter”. Then she kills a ton of mutants, vision breaks up with her, and she gets crushed to death by a rock. I want both the character and wandagays to suffer as they’re the most annoying charactergays in all of comics.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This except I want Jeangays to suffer

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This except I want Jeangays to suffer

              You are sad, hateful little men. Focus on wanting to see characters you do like, not on wanting to destroy characters or making other fans suffer.

              A little too late bub.

              Lots of people were in one episode of the 90s cartoon, it doesn't mean they need to bring them back now, least of all just to throw them under the bus from out of nowhere.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Listen, every time Wanda is brought up in any thread, there’s always some Wandagay complaining. It gets old.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How dare fans not want to see her get turned into a crazy villain because of that one moronic comic? People have a right to complain about that. You can't wish suffering on people and pretend you're not being the bad guy.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If anyone has a right to complain, it’s

                When will our suffering end, quicksilverchads?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >they’re the most annoying charactergays in all of comics.
              Stormgays are worse, as is any X-gay that buys into muh allegory

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            A little too late bub.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              When will our suffering end, quicksilverchads?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Depends on your life expectancy.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                As long as morons keep wanting the twins to be Magneto's kids, never

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What's wrong with Wanda and Pietro being Magneto's kids?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It was a moronic retcon that does nothing for either of the twins and was founded solely on the fact that Pietro and Mags have silver hair.
                Lately they've been trying to make it so Wanda (if not Pietro just yet) actually do consider Magneto to be a decent man and father instead of the monster that abused the frick out of them in the Brotherhood.
                It's just all around awful, and pushed by people that don't know or care about the characters and just want a happy Magneto family

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Is Lorna Magneto's daughter here too

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That was a post-2001 retcon so no.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lorna was his daughter in Mutant X, and I think they may have planned to reveal it in the 90s X-Factor run, but never got around to it

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not truly the 90s until we see Stryfe and Nate Grey for maximum Cable

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Whatever skin tone Storm has, she needs to fail the paper bag test, she doesn't need to be black as midnight but she should never be described as lightskinned.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Whatever skin tone storm has she should have big breasts.

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is Cyclops' hair really that important

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, I think it’s generally thought that the Jim Lee Cyke is his best look. I personally think the classic look they have here may be a bit too old school, but I don’t mind it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not even my favorite looks for the characters, but as others have said if they're just going to get rid of all the stuff that makes the show recognizable as a continuation of TAS then why make it a revival in the first fricking place?

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    okay i'll bite

    even if there's "artist erasure" going on, for what purpose? why would someone dislike jim lee?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Writer is clearly a claremontgay, wants to push the stuff pre-jim lee.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Then he better add Colossus to the team.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I can see it. Must’ve taken a lot of convincing to let Banshee have speaking lines.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don’t know. Maybe some suits are mad that the artists left marvel to make Image. Who knows.

        okay liking claremont is one thing but that doesn't specifically prove someone dislikes an artist. they're trying to attract audiences, my assumption is that girls like different outfits and so the animators want to keep girls interested

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        While writing the a post jim lee event as the main season villain?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But that's very different from trying to "erase" Jim Lee. There's no real grudge in doing this.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don’t know. Maybe some suits are mad that the artists left marvel to make Image. Who knows.

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We had less than one season of a revival before they went off and changed the show to unrecognizability. Why.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They want the instant audience nostalgia gives and now that they have it, it's time to do the show they really wanted to do.

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It is okay to wish death on those who betray Jim Lee's work.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nah Frick him, he and Diane Nelson are the reason of why DC became a Woke hellhole with his nepotism buddies.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Le Woke

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So this is where they're heading with the costumes? Hopefully that means we're getting Collosus and Kitty too. Praying for Onslaught.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Colossus
      Hopefully
      >Kitty
      No thanks

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If anything, the 92 show would've drifted from the Jim Lee designs if season 5 is evidence to go by. Jubilee gets redesigned to look like her then-current comic look with longer hair. Would've likely tried to use later comic designs to match up with the toys(toy Biz tried to hybridize the comic line and cartoon lines and they called a lot of shots on the animation).

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I WANT TO FRICK JUBILEES BARELLY LEGAL PUSSY

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ultimate Cyke has a pretty simple design but I always found it charming

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It’s fine, but it’s very “the x-men movies came out so let’s look like that.”

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you have to use baldcap Scott at least use the best one

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    well since there isn't a thread for this, I'm watching the X-Men 90's series so I can watch '97, I like all the Rogue propaganda i'm getting and its making me want to read X-Men, but I don't exactly know what series to start
    so what are the quintessential X-Men comics to read ?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If start reading the Stan lee and Jack Kirby stuff at the beginning, and then skip to Giant size X-men. After that you go from I think issue 94 forward. You can skip the beginning stuff if you want, but you miss out on a bunch of villain intros.

  52. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If they bring Gambit back (they better) they should put him in this one.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gambit has never had a good outfit. The trenchcoat is what people really want.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        His classic suit is classic for a reason. Also, don't forget his Age of X outfit.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The chest piece and the metal boots are silly. I liked the Claremont Revolution costume with the red bandana the best, though it also has metal boots that drag it down.

  53. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So are like, people still upset Rogue and Magneto hooking up was teased? Despite it being a focal point in the comics multiple times?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Mostly because of the age gap. Their moronic belief is older men should never approach girls aged 18-25 because an adult girl is somehow still a child.

      As a lifelong Gambit x Rogue fan I too hate the Magneto pairing but that only made me more interested in seeing how things go down since X-Men is also a goddamn soap opera (and if they bothered reading the comics they would know she ends up with Gambit in the end anyway).

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think it’s more the “mentor turned lover” bit. But I don’t really care since Magneto is a villain anyways.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hell, one of the Rogue and Magneto storylines was Magneto being de-aged and starting to date her when he was younger.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Despite it being a focal point in the comics multiple times?
      I mean, does that make it any less moronic?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wow, they really pulled a fatal attractions

      hilariously enough she became a stand-in for colossus

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The retcon was clumsy and poorly executed.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Despite it being a focal point in the comics multiple times?
      So? Peter selling his fricking marriage to Mephisto was THE focal point of his post-Civil War arc, but nobody wants to see an adaptation of that. Rogue being Magneto's side piece never was a popular trait amongst readers at large, you may share Claremont's age gap granddaddy fantasy but not everyone does.

  54. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Please?

  55. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wish they'd just made it about the school instead of big bad of the week. I just wanted comfy mutie fun, not edgelord boomerbait slop that speedruns showing off every big event.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You want to watch X-Men Evolution, X-Men TAS was never about the school. Jubilee was the only student.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shut the frick up.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        say that to my face not online see what happens

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          BRING IT OOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNN

  56. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is X-Men '97 erasing Jim Lee?
    Hopefully, yes.

  57. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they are just doing it for sell more ML toys

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