>Isekai is a Japanese genre of portal fantasy and science fiction. It includes novels, light novels, films, manga, anime and video games that revolve around a person or people who are transported to and have to survive in another world, such as a fantasy world, virtual world, another planet, or parallel universe.
not really, when people say isekai they're not talking about "fantasy where MC goes another world" they're talking about horrible light novels about mary sue going to video game world where he's invincible and get all the biches
>t horrible light novels about mary sue going to video game world where he's invincible and get all the biches
Chronicles of Narnia is still kind of that. Just that the invincibility comes from the power of Jesus Lion rather than from a Goddess with huge breasts.
Yes it is black. The saying comes from a time when both those things were black metal. So the Pot pointing out the kettle is black shows its lack of self awareness because it is also black.
Arguably any ancient story where some hero goes to a foreign land. Any sort of stranger in a strange land story that doesn’t involve actual locations and the protagonist being someone earth local.
Isekai requires the author to know about the things that give the character an advantage, so they’re hard to write unless you go full protagonist is a moron but got super powers.
Western comics and cartoons generally show you a unique and interesting character, maybe you can live vicariously through them a little bit but generally the characters are distinct and at the very least 2 dimensional and different from the reader. Swapping protagonists between books would change the story drastically. Western fiction sometimes has an audience surrogate for visiting these strange worlds or interacting with these other worldly characters but they aren't always the protagonist
Manga however is built from the ground up for self insertion, that's why the characters are so blank and swapping protagonists between books would change nothing compared to changing the reader. Isekai is just lazy even by manga standards, it takes whatever little bit of character the protagonist had with their role in the book's universe and strips it away completely to turn them into the reader entering the world. Feels like a fundamental misunderstanding of how and why their own medium works with just how popular that genre has become, it's just too meta for me
Any Isekai recommendations with butthole protagonists or something?
Because isekai is a fantasy genre and the west in general hates doing fantasy.
Yes, you could have the elements of an isekai without the fantasy. But it's like saying a personal drama about a widow of a cop is the same as Lethal Weapon because there are cops.
This is weird because in the 90's they loved sending normal people to fantasy worlds in movies.
>Because isekai is a fantasy genre
Not really.
Fantasy is the most common, but there are isekai that take place in the future, isekai that take place in a WW1/2 analogue, isekai that take place in just an alternate version of the modern day, etc. etc.
No. There's like 2 in a future (that feature magic), 1 in ww1/2 (that features magic), maybe 3 about sort of early modernity (that feature magic). It's a fantasy genre with some small variations that stand out because they barely change the base format.
Again, it's the same as a cop show. You can have variations but if you don't keep the basics you lose the audience, and dragon quest fantasy is one of the basics.
What I don't understand is why there's just not more blatant selfinsert bait in the west
The public is the same in japan and here, sad lonely guys who are extremely starved for being the protagonist of something , having harems, being OP and everyone liking them.
There's people in this board self inserting as fricking Marco or Diapper for god sakes, if they are that desperate they will eat whatever shit you put them in a plate.
>why there's just not more blatant selfinsert bait in the west
haven't you seen cops with the punisher or housewives with soap operas? all media is self insert. You just like something more and think the one you don't like is inherently inferior.
Most Cinemaphile media that gets discussed exists in one of two company wide multiverses that are specifically supposed to be versions of Earth. Traveling outside that could happen, but it tends to eventually loop back if they want to play with the big kids.
For the cartoons and comics that exist outside that, we're already seeing an uptick in blatant, Western isekai with Amphibia and Owl House being widely discussed on the board. Isekai wasn't always a big thing in Japan, either. Whether there's a similar explosion in the West or not remains to be seen.
Do you expect me to know what you're talking about
>Isekai is a Japanese genre of portal fantasy and science fiction. It includes novels, light novels, films, manga, anime and video games that revolve around a person or people who are transported to and have to survive in another world, such as a fantasy world, virtual world, another planet, or parallel universe.
Chronicles of Narnia for example is an isekai
not really, when people say isekai they're not talking about "fantasy where MC goes another world" they're talking about horrible light novels about mary sue going to video game world where he's invincible and get all the biches
>t horrible light novels about mary sue going to video game world where he's invincible and get all the biches
Chronicles of Narnia is still kind of that. Just that the invincibility comes from the power of Jesus Lion rather than from a Goddess with huge breasts.
Soooo, Captain N: The Game Master?
western media has the self-respect to not pander to pathetic losers who don't like their lives.
Western media is made by and for pathetic losers who don't like their lives.
this is the pot calling the kettle black, anon.
Is it really "black" and not "back"? the latter sounds more logical
Yes it is black. The saying comes from a time when both those things were black metal. So the Pot pointing out the kettle is black shows its lack of self awareness because it is also black.
that is literally their whole opeartioal plan
and ching chong to you too young lad
What about Jon Carter (comics) of mars, Buck Rogers and flash Gordon?
Did not isekai originate in western literature like Alice in Wonderland and Wizard of Oz?
It goes even farther if you want to lump something like the divine comedy in there
If we count that, then the epic of Gilgamesh would be Isekai.
Arguably any ancient story where some hero goes to a foreign land. Any sort of stranger in a strange land story that doesn’t involve actual locations and the protagonist being someone earth local.
I never claimed it originated in Japan
anon we just had Star vs. the Forces of Evil, Amphibia, The Owl House, and Infinity Train
I.. I've never watched any of those.
Isekai requires the author to know about the things that give the character an advantage, so they’re hard to write unless you go full protagonist is a moron but got super powers.
Western comics and cartoons generally show you a unique and interesting character, maybe you can live vicariously through them a little bit but generally the characters are distinct and at the very least 2 dimensional and different from the reader. Swapping protagonists between books would change the story drastically. Western fiction sometimes has an audience surrogate for visiting these strange worlds or interacting with these other worldly characters but they aren't always the protagonist
Manga however is built from the ground up for self insertion, that's why the characters are so blank and swapping protagonists between books would change nothing compared to changing the reader. Isekai is just lazy even by manga standards, it takes whatever little bit of character the protagonist had with their role in the book's universe and strips it away completely to turn them into the reader entering the world. Feels like a fundamental misunderstanding of how and why their own medium works with just how popular that genre has become, it's just too meta for me
Any Isekai recommendations with butthole protagonists or something?
>wrote all that text
>and I didn't read a single word of it
>Western comics and cartoons generally show you a unique and interesting character
You'd probably like Konasuba. The main character is basically Jack Spicer, but a fantasy hero.
I want to isekai in her vegana if you catch my drift.
Manga characters are a blank slate to self insert into and somehow it has devolved into this weird meta Isekai shit
Bland overreaching generalization equals meaningless statement.
It got popular when a genre gets popular it starts to deconstruct itself.
it's why every anime protagonist is a bland generic loser.
>Guy from gxp is just a clone of tenchi
>cherrypicks a genre
Because Japan has beaten that horse until it's just a greasy spot on the ground.
Tone it down with the weebspeak. That genre in manga is cancerous anyway.
do you mean self insert fanfic? there are tons of garbage dude
technically Superman is an isekai protagonist
It was actually pretty popular with 80s cartoons
Forgot the opening for this one
Because isekai is a fantasy genre and the west in general hates doing fantasy.
Yes, you could have the elements of an isekai without the fantasy. But it's like saying a personal drama about a widow of a cop is the same as Lethal Weapon because there are cops.
This is weird because in the 90's they loved sending normal people to fantasy worlds in movies.
>Because isekai is a fantasy genre
Not really.
Fantasy is the most common, but there are isekai that take place in the future, isekai that take place in a WW1/2 analogue, isekai that take place in just an alternate version of the modern day, etc. etc.
No. There's like 2 in a future (that feature magic), 1 in ww1/2 (that features magic), maybe 3 about sort of early modernity (that feature magic). It's a fantasy genre with some small variations that stand out because they barely change the base format.
Again, it's the same as a cop show. You can have variations but if you don't keep the basics you lose the audience, and dragon quest fantasy is one of the basics.
>the west in general hates doing fantasy.
wasn't GoT the most popular series a few years ago?
sort of? did they do anything else of note in the last decade?
What I don't understand is why there's just not more blatant selfinsert bait in the west
The public is the same in japan and here, sad lonely guys who are extremely starved for being the protagonist of something , having harems, being OP and everyone liking them.
There's people in this board self inserting as fricking Marco or Diapper for god sakes, if they are that desperate they will eat whatever shit you put them in a plate.
>why there's just not more blatant selfinsert bait in the west
haven't you seen cops with the punisher or housewives with soap operas? all media is self insert. You just like something more and think the one you don't like is inherently inferior.
the marco selfinsert threads on Cinemaphile are even more pathetic than the isekai general on Cinemaphile
they are so fricking fun to read
We kind of got it
Why is my wife Gwenpool so hellishly perfect?
Most Cinemaphile media that gets discussed exists in one of two company wide multiverses that are specifically supposed to be versions of Earth. Traveling outside that could happen, but it tends to eventually loop back if they want to play with the big kids.
For the cartoons and comics that exist outside that, we're already seeing an uptick in blatant, Western isekai with Amphibia and Owl House being widely discussed on the board. Isekai wasn't always a big thing in Japan, either. Whether there's a similar explosion in the West or not remains to be seen.
Theres already too fricking many of them over there, we don't need more here.