>96 million and counting on a 70 million budget is a flop >brought to you by people who say 1b for Barbie is a flop because they secretly spent 6 gorilion on marketing and actually it's physically impossible for Barbie to make it's money back
When they spend 70M on a movie and another 70M for advertising, they expect to make 5x that amount. They have barely broke even. It's a flop you fricking moron.
It hasn't even made it's money back...it's a flop. That's all. My arbitrary number of x5 is meaningless and I hold no authority on the matter. But as it stands, the movie is a flop.
> by this metric the majority of Hollywood movies that ever came out are flops
movies that make 5x their budget are a fricking rarity
Why do think Hollywood is falling apart. Why studios are not bugging on strikes. Why only use big IPs. People will only go to the movies now for massive budget movies, which is a crapshoot. For every Barbie you got 5 massive flops
They're not a rarity nowadays, they have always been a rarity. With this logic Hollywood should've ceased to exist long long time ago.
The way things actually work are different. First of all the theatres absolutely do not get HALF of all the profits. I have no idea where this idea came from, but maintaining a whole studio which produces films, merch, etc. is a much more expensive than maintaining a film theatre chain. Naturally theatres get a lesser half of the revenue split.
Second of all, marketing never exceeds the movie's budget, this is not a viable business strategy.
i don't know why you treat it like some sort of conspiracy theory, Hollywood Accounting is a real thing.
Here, the marketing was 150 million, but the movie itself cost around 250 to 300 million. The marketing is still less than the production budget. The amount of marketing also doesn't always correlate with it's cost completely. It depends on how big the IP is, and how big of a project in general is. For example getting a single billboard ad for and indie film would be less expensive than getting a single billboard ad for Avengers. This is the same logic as with actors who are not famous getting paid less than actors who are stars for equivalent roles.
And the difference is not just between "Hollywood" and "indie", there's a difference inside Hollywood too. Depends on a lot of factors including the budget of the film itself.
> With this logic Hollywood should've ceased to exist long long time ago.
No they wouldn’t have. First, movies didn’t use to have ridiculous budgets. It was. rarity. I remember when Terminator 2 came out. It’s 100 mill budget was big news. It was unheard of. Second, you didn’t have as many options in the pas than you do now. Movies would stay in theaters for months. Now, it’s on steaming in less than two months.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Since Terminator 2 came out there was a shit ton of movies that cost 100+ million dollars. I have even provided an example - Ratatouille - which is not considered a flop, yet by the logic that seems to be forced on Cinemaphile lately it should've been. I have also checked a bunch of other Pixar films, and most either don't make it 5x times over or barely touch that mark (and again not counting the budget for marketing).
Yet Pixar that whole time was considered a big fricking thing and only started falling off relatively recently.
The rule of the thumb in general is that a movie that makes 2x, maybe 2.5x it's budget is a success starting point.
Going back to the TMNT movie that I did not watch and not planning to, but I guess because I got baited in this thread I'll touch the topic again. Current number is 96 million. The movie is still in theatres. Probably not even out in a bunch of c**t's. The number itself is also from like two days ago according to The Numbers. Unless the film just outright stops making money it will most likely underpeform, but that's very unlikely. It will easily make back it's budget twice.
I myself don't give a shit about the film specifically, I'm more annoyed at a fact that the idea that theatres are taking 50% of the money and marketing on every movie is shitton billion dollaru is being forced on Cinemaphile lately. There's shitposting and then there's moronation.
I understand that some anons are delusional enough to hope than if this random TMNT movie flops then Seth Rogen is out of job, but these people forget the personal connections he has and the fact that he is not the only writer. >Screenplay by Seth Rogen Evan Goldberg Jeff Rowe Dan Hernandez Benji Samit
If the movie indeed underperforms, I bet my ass that Rogen will get zero shit and the other writers will be out of major projects. This is reality. Rogen is an annoying c**t, but he is in too deep.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You are right. The 50% comes from overseas. China takes even more. Studios have no choice. Either agree to it or it doesn’t get played in that country. In US, it’s a sliding scale which theaters are trying to fight. Opening weekend, studios get 90%. Each week after it reduces. Theaters complaint is that movie are all front loaded now and don’t stay in theaters long. The contract worked pre internet when movies stayed in theaters for months. So after 4 weeks, theaters be taking 50%. Ticket money only pays for upkeep of theater when done right. Theaters make their money off concessions. Why shit is overpriced
>by this metric the majority of Hollywood movies that ever came out are flops
They are. Especially with Hollywood accounting. It is why the Harry Potter movies are written down as bombs despite making so much box office. And why the Forest Gump book author was screwed over by royalties by the studio claiming the Forest Gump movie bombed.
he said 5x to make out a worthwhile investment
nobody makes movies to break even
even moderate profit can be a waste of time considering the amount of money you tie up for 2 or 3 years
yes anon you seem to be a genious and have figured out the creative world (books, comics, anime, manga, movies, tv shows, and even music) works. For every profiting movie there are 10 failures, and for every big success there are 100 failures. The success of one covers the losses of the failures and allow to make more failures and maybe a success, this is how it works, until you get an hit is still economically worth it, but if you fail, fail and fail then you run into problems (see this year for disney).
This is the reason why you get so much sequels, reboots and adaptions of estabilished huge brands too, because when you spend 200m in a production you need to be so fricking safe that it will at least break even.
A movie needs 2.5x the budget to break even (this is the industry standard) so a 70m movie need to make 210m to break even (we don't know the budget of ads, but we don't care in that case). Less than that and you didn't make any money.
And no 5x is not a rarity, but is a rarity in high budget productions that use 200m in budget. See barbie for example, 150m budget and grossed 8x that is impressive and pretty rare for it, but if you look at stuff like Megan, it had a 12m budget, but grossed 15x, barbie made more money, but megan on paper was a better investment. So yes if you use big budgets is hard making 5x and you more often than not end up like the flash
>96 million and counting on a 70 million budget is a flop >brought to you by people who say 1b for Barbie is a flop because they secretly spent 6 gorilion on marketing and actually it's physically impossible for Barbie to make it's money back
Barbie isn't a flop but it's a movie carried by the brand lol
NTurtles is BIG with a game liked by morons but yeah 70 and the big marketing is like 100 and we don't count the cinema discount...it's like 15% i think...
70 Million budget
100 Million marketing
Gets half the ticket sales, theater gets the other half
Film needs 340 Million to break even, couldn't even make 100 in the first weekend.
Yeah it flopped.
Get over it Seth, no one cares you potato looking israelite
He added it wrong.
The average budget for a Hollywood movie's marketing is about 35 million dollar. if the movie costs 70 million like TMNT, that means its budget and marketing would be 110 million that still means the movie is underperforming though lol
> “I was shocked to find out movie studios actually take between 80% to 100% of a movie theater’s sales revenue in the first two week,” Yang explained. “Then in subsequent weeks the ratio gradually becomes more favorable to the cinema, usually resulting in a 50:50 ratio.”
https://sports.yahoo.com/finance-expert-explains-movie-theaters-203601319.html
If movie theaters were taking 50% they wouldn’t be on the brink of bankruptcy like AMC and Regal. Studios take almost all the profits first two weeks. Since all movies now are frontloaded, theaters barely get shit to keep faculty running
>people who say 1b for Barbie is a flop because they secretly spent 6 gorilion on marketing and actually it's physically impossible for Barbie to make it's money back
This is a hyperbole based on morons here actually claiming Barbie is a flop despite grossing 1 fricking billion.
The whole cope is based on making up absurd marketing costs and theatre cuts. By such a metric a shit ton of movies that are not considered flops, through the years, through almost entire Hollywodo history, are flops.
One imbecile is claiming that to break even the movie needs to gross 5x it's budget.
By that metric for example Pixar's Ratatouille (150 million budget, 620 million gross) was actually a flop as it didn't make 5x it's budget (not counting advertising).
This is such embarrassing nonsense it's unreal.
>you don't type like a moron therefore reddit
YES. EXACTLY. DUMBASS.
SMART PEOPLE GO TO Cinemaphile TO ACT moronic
moronS GO TO REDDIT TO ACT SMART
CLEARLY YOU ARE LOST
11 months ago
Anonymous
>le epic Cinemaphile screencap i saw on reddit
LOL
11 months ago
Anonymous
>confirming you’re a redditor by claiming you saw it there
redditors are actually the stupidest fricking people on the planet
11 months ago
Anonymous
>let me take everything that's said literally what an epic troll it would be
11 months ago
Anonymous
>you don't type like a moron therefore reddit
YES. EXACTLY. DUMBASS.
SMART PEOPLE GO TO Cinemaphile TO ACT moronic
moronS GO TO REDDIT TO ACT SMART
CLEARLY YOU ARE LOST
Your pretentious writing gives away the fact that you are undoubtedly either from reddit or one of its shitty clones
>>96 million and counting on a 70 million budget is a flop
Correct >brought to you by people who say 1b for Barbie is a flop
No, brought to you by everybody.
>You now remember the Santa Inc comment section shitting on israelites but in Christmas form >Seth Rogen starting to froth out the mouth and get YouTube to shutdown the comment section
Toys are only relevant if anyone gives a shit about the brand
Rise's toys sold like shit because the show didn't lend itself to physical 3D desgins, and that goes for double for this movie, which frankly is ugly to look at, and I can't imagine anyone wanting toys for the new April or Splinter. The turtles maybe, but if why would by one of them instead of the literally any other version?
This is the correct take. I literally just finished the 1990 movie minutes ago and its amazing how dark it is. Splinter literally tortured and beaten. April's house burned down. Raph In a coma. It has actual touching moments. Also the only movie to her Rapha personality right and make Mikey a competent fighter
An earlier cut of it is even better that never got released. They made a few last minute cuts/reshoots so it wouldn't be PG-13.
Mikey had a cut arc, Raph/Casey had a more brutal fight in an alley and there is more scenes with the foot clan like the brutal initiation.
Steaming doesn’t make much. Other studios don’t want another studio’s shit on their steaming site. Think Disney. So just gets booted to company’s own streaming site. Hollywood as we know it is fricked right now. Why got strikes and studios taking massive losses and cooking numbers for steaming services for stock purposes
First of all, I didn't even know this movie existed.
Second, now that I know it was made by Seth Rogen, I have no intention of even pirating it. I am never touching anything made by that disingenuous little c**t.
Another reason why Al will be taking those jobs. Who the frick goes to a animated movie because of a celeb voice. I don’t even know what celeb is in this movie. I take it Rogan in it sounding like Rogan because he’s a talentless hack
As Gen X kid there was nothing like The Turtles when the cartoon came out. It didn’t hammer you with some moral message. Just a beat ‘em up cartoon featuring Turtles that sounded like Jeff Spicoli. No doubt, be no Power Rangers in US without the Turtles
>It didn’t hammer you with some moral message.
lmao takeoff your gayass rosy-tinted glasses and watch an episode: it was barely cool and edgy, but it was preachy AF
t.wrinkly xgener
hollywood is dead. the spectacle is dead. no kid wants to go to a theater and watch a 3d cartoon, they want to play a fps and talk shit on the mic. you dont even see them playing outside anymore. they just game and goon and once it breaks them they transition
>a sequel AND a series already in development
jfc
cast him
barneygay of course
>96 million and counting on a 70 million budget is a flop
>brought to you by people who say 1b for Barbie is a flop because they secretly spent 6 gorilion on marketing and actually it's physically impossible for Barbie to make it's money back
When they spend 70M on a movie and another 70M for advertising, they expect to make 5x that amount. They have barely broke even. It's a flop you fricking moron.
by this metric the majority of Hollywood movies that ever came out are flops
movies that make 5x their budget are a fricking rarity
It hasn't even made it's money back...it's a flop. That's all. My arbitrary number of x5 is meaningless and I hold no authority on the matter. But as it stands, the movie is a flop.
> by this metric the majority of Hollywood movies that ever came out are flops
movies that make 5x their budget are a fricking rarity
Why do think Hollywood is falling apart. Why studios are not bugging on strikes. Why only use big IPs. People will only go to the movies now for massive budget movies, which is a crapshoot. For every Barbie you got 5 massive flops
why are ESLs always so fricking stupid?
What a strange new obsession.
They're not a rarity nowadays, they have always been a rarity. With this logic Hollywood should've ceased to exist long long time ago.
The way things actually work are different. First of all the theatres absolutely do not get HALF of all the profits. I have no idea where this idea came from, but maintaining a whole studio which produces films, merch, etc. is a much more expensive than maintaining a film theatre chain. Naturally theatres get a lesser half of the revenue split.
Second of all, marketing never exceeds the movie's budget, this is not a viable business strategy.
Here, the marketing was 150 million, but the movie itself cost around 250 to 300 million. The marketing is still less than the production budget. The amount of marketing also doesn't always correlate with it's cost completely. It depends on how big the IP is, and how big of a project in general is. For example getting a single billboard ad for and indie film would be less expensive than getting a single billboard ad for Avengers. This is the same logic as with actors who are not famous getting paid less than actors who are stars for equivalent roles.
And the difference is not just between "Hollywood" and "indie", there's a difference inside Hollywood too. Depends on a lot of factors including the budget of the film itself.
> With this logic Hollywood should've ceased to exist long long time ago.
No they wouldn’t have. First, movies didn’t use to have ridiculous budgets. It was. rarity. I remember when Terminator 2 came out. It’s 100 mill budget was big news. It was unheard of. Second, you didn’t have as many options in the pas than you do now. Movies would stay in theaters for months. Now, it’s on steaming in less than two months.
Since Terminator 2 came out there was a shit ton of movies that cost 100+ million dollars. I have even provided an example - Ratatouille - which is not considered a flop, yet by the logic that seems to be forced on Cinemaphile lately it should've been. I have also checked a bunch of other Pixar films, and most either don't make it 5x times over or barely touch that mark (and again not counting the budget for marketing).
Yet Pixar that whole time was considered a big fricking thing and only started falling off relatively recently.
The rule of the thumb in general is that a movie that makes 2x, maybe 2.5x it's budget is a success starting point.
Going back to the TMNT movie that I did not watch and not planning to, but I guess because I got baited in this thread I'll touch the topic again. Current number is 96 million. The movie is still in theatres. Probably not even out in a bunch of c**t's. The number itself is also from like two days ago according to The Numbers. Unless the film just outright stops making money it will most likely underpeform, but that's very unlikely. It will easily make back it's budget twice.
I myself don't give a shit about the film specifically, I'm more annoyed at a fact that the idea that theatres are taking 50% of the money and marketing on every movie is shitton billion dollaru is being forced on Cinemaphile lately. There's shitposting and then there's moronation.
I understand that some anons are delusional enough to hope than if this random TMNT movie flops then Seth Rogen is out of job, but these people forget the personal connections he has and the fact that he is not the only writer.
>Screenplay by Seth Rogen Evan Goldberg Jeff Rowe Dan Hernandez Benji Samit
If the movie indeed underperforms, I bet my ass that Rogen will get zero shit and the other writers will be out of major projects. This is reality. Rogen is an annoying c**t, but he is in too deep.
You are right. The 50% comes from overseas. China takes even more. Studios have no choice. Either agree to it or it doesn’t get played in that country. In US, it’s a sliding scale which theaters are trying to fight. Opening weekend, studios get 90%. Each week after it reduces. Theaters complaint is that movie are all front loaded now and don’t stay in theaters long. The contract worked pre internet when movies stayed in theaters for months. So after 4 weeks, theaters be taking 50%. Ticket money only pays for upkeep of theater when done right. Theaters make their money off concessions. Why shit is overpriced
>by this metric the majority of Hollywood movies that ever came out are flops
They are. Especially with Hollywood accounting. It is why the Harry Potter movies are written down as bombs despite making so much box office. And why the Forest Gump book author was screwed over by royalties by the studio claiming the Forest Gump movie bombed.
he said 5x to make out a worthwhile investment
nobody makes movies to break even
even moderate profit can be a waste of time considering the amount of money you tie up for 2 or 3 years
yes anon you seem to be a genious and have figured out the creative world (books, comics, anime, manga, movies, tv shows, and even music) works. For every profiting movie there are 10 failures, and for every big success there are 100 failures. The success of one covers the losses of the failures and allow to make more failures and maybe a success, this is how it works, until you get an hit is still economically worth it, but if you fail, fail and fail then you run into problems (see this year for disney).
This is the reason why you get so much sequels, reboots and adaptions of estabilished huge brands too, because when you spend 200m in a production you need to be so fricking safe that it will at least break even.
A movie needs 2.5x the budget to break even (this is the industry standard) so a 70m movie need to make 210m to break even (we don't know the budget of ads, but we don't care in that case). Less than that and you didn't make any money.
And no 5x is not a rarity, but is a rarity in high budget productions that use 200m in budget. See barbie for example, 150m budget and grossed 8x that is impressive and pretty rare for it, but if you look at stuff like Megan, it had a 12m budget, but grossed 15x, barbie made more money, but megan on paper was a better investment. So yes if you use big budgets is hard making 5x and you more often than not end up like the flash
>5x
Kek come on
Barbie isn't a flop but it's a movie carried by the brand lol
NTurtles is BIG with a game liked by morons but yeah 70 and the big marketing is like 100 and we don't count the cinema discount...it's like 15% i think...
70 Million budget
100 Million marketing
Gets half the ticket sales, theater gets the other half
Film needs 340 Million to break even, couldn't even make 100 in the first weekend.
Yeah it flopped.
Get over it Seth, no one cares you potato looking israelite
Source on the 100 mil marketing budget?
He added it wrong.
The average budget for a Hollywood movie's marketing is about 35 million dollar. if the movie costs 70 million like TMNT, that means its budget and marketing would be 110 million
that still means the movie is underperforming though lol
not him but I believe it
tmnt was being promoted often enough like a budget with 200 million
ITT morons think every movie has the marketing budget of a AAA capeshit movie
Even if it wasnt and it had no marketing at all, the theater takes a 50% cut, so thats 140m.
Theaters do not take 50% That’s only overseas.
> “I was shocked to find out movie studios actually take between 80% to 100% of a movie theater’s sales revenue in the first two week,” Yang explained. “Then in subsequent weeks the ratio gradually becomes more favorable to the cinema, usually resulting in a 50:50 ratio.”
https://sports.yahoo.com/finance-expert-explains-movie-theaters-203601319.html
If movie theaters were taking 50% they wouldn’t be on the brink of bankruptcy like AMC and Regal. Studios take almost all the profits first two weeks. Since all movies now are frontloaded, theaters barely get shit to keep faculty running
Are you trolling or moronic
I cannot tell
>people who say 1b for Barbie is a flop because they secretly spent 6 gorilion on marketing and actually it's physically impossible for Barbie to make it's money back
But that's YOU who said that, you dumb chud shill
This is a hyperbole based on morons here actually claiming Barbie is a flop despite grossing 1 fricking billion.
The whole cope is based on making up absurd marketing costs and theatre cuts. By such a metric a shit ton of movies that are not considered flops, through the years, through almost entire Hollywodo history, are flops.
One imbecile is claiming that to break even the movie needs to gross 5x it's budget.
By that metric for example Pixar's Ratatouille (150 million budget, 620 million gross) was actually a flop as it didn't make 5x it's budget (not counting advertising).
This is such embarrassing nonsense it's unreal.
Barbie is a flop, chuddie. Get over it. Have sex.
Your pretentious writing gives away the fact that you are undoubtedly either from reddit or one of its shitty clones
>you don't type like a moron therefore reddit
the absolute fricking state
>you don't type like a moron therefore reddit
YES. EXACTLY. DUMBASS.
SMART PEOPLE GO TO Cinemaphile TO ACT moronic
moronS GO TO REDDIT TO ACT SMART
CLEARLY YOU ARE LOST
>le epic Cinemaphile screencap i saw on reddit
LOL
>confirming you’re a redditor by claiming you saw it there
redditors are actually the stupidest fricking people on the planet
>let me take everything that's said literally what an epic troll it would be
cringe
Its over CHUD
/qa/ Lost
Trump Lost
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Protect trans rights
Love is love
ACAB
BLM matters
When theaters get half yeah that's a fricking flop.
>>96 million and counting on a 70 million budget is a flop
Correct
>brought to you by people who say 1b for Barbie is a flop
No, brought to you by everybody.
>permanent teenager
An actual teenager would not have made the famously hot babe ugly as shit.
>You now remember the Santa Inc comment section shitting on israelites but in Christmas form
>Seth Rogen starting to froth out the mouth and get YouTube to shutdown the comment section
I'm surprised that it is still in effect on Youtube too. Shows the power of Talmudic israeli kveching. Once the goyim know, you have to shut it down
>SETH ROGEN
hollywood deseves to go bankrupt
It didn't, moron
It won't make back its budget, which is a flop.
It's not a BOMB, but its also a flop.
Anyone seen it? My kids loved the Mario movie will they like this?
>Permanent teenager Seth Rogan
He’s finally being true to himself
>it doesn't say Permanent israelite Seth Rogan
nope, this doesn't apply to dude weed. he's one of those narcissistic ones that ALWAYS makes sure to point out how israeli he is.
Reminder that Barbie and TMNT also have toy and misc merch sales to boost their gains.
Toys are only relevant if anyone gives a shit about the brand
Rise's toys sold like shit because the show didn't lend itself to physical 3D desgins, and that goes for double for this movie, which frankly is ugly to look at, and I can't imagine anyone wanting toys for the new April or Splinter. The turtles maybe, but if why would by one of them instead of the literally any other version?
i didnt even know it was out already
It needs something like 210mill to break even and it won't even crawl to that.
>96 million
And you think the studio takes all of that do you?
i don't know why you treat it like some sort of conspiracy theory, Hollywood Accounting is a real thing.
It is just one troony that is in denial.
TMNT was for children under 11
not teenagers
seth
homosexual
the fatigue is real
They just can't seem to get TMNT right after the 1990 film
2 was shit too, don't let nostalgia trick you.
This is the correct take. I literally just finished the 1990 movie minutes ago and its amazing how dark it is. Splinter literally tortured and beaten. April's house burned down. Raph In a coma. It has actual touching moments. Also the only movie to her Rapha personality right and make Mikey a competent fighter
An earlier cut of it is even better that never got released. They made a few last minute cuts/reshoots so it wouldn't be PG-13.
Mikey had a cut arc, Raph/Casey had a more brutal fight in an alley and there is more scenes with the foot clan like the brutal initiation.
Is there any way to watch this? I just bought Last Ronin. Took my son to the new movie. I have turtle mania again.
Nah they never released the extended cut. The german release on blu-ray has a better fight scene at aprils house but that's about it.
They exclusively beat up white criminals. In modern day NYC. Thanks ~~*Rogen*~~
It did fine. Most movies don't need to make it all back in the box office because now it can be sold to streaming in a few months
Steaming doesn’t make much. Other studios don’t want another studio’s shit on their steaming site. Think Disney. So just gets booted to company’s own streaming site. Hollywood as we know it is fricked right now. Why got strikes and studios taking massive losses and cooking numbers for steaming services for stock purposes
>OMG GUISE LETS HAVE ANOTHER THREAD ABOUT MONEY AND DA JOOS.
yall are part of the problem
Seth rogen is a fat israeli moron >hehehehehehe
First of all, I didn't even know this movie existed.
Second, now that I know it was made by Seth Rogen, I have no intention of even pirating it. I am never touching anything made by that disingenuous little c**t.
Why did this even cost 70 million to make? Don’t tell me animation. How much did that israelite Rogan get?
celebrity voices
Another reason why Al will be taking those jobs. Who the frick goes to a animated movie because of a celeb voice. I don’t even know what celeb is in this movie. I take it Rogan in it sounding like Rogan because he’s a talentless hack
As Gen X kid there was nothing like The Turtles when the cartoon came out. It didn’t hammer you with some moral message. Just a beat ‘em up cartoon featuring Turtles that sounded like Jeff Spicoli. No doubt, be no Power Rangers in US without the Turtles
>It didn’t hammer you with some moral message.
lmao takeoff your gayass rosy-tinted glasses and watch an episode: it was barely cool and edgy, but it was preachy AF
t.wrinkly xgener
hollywood is dead. the spectacle is dead. no kid wants to go to a theater and watch a 3d cartoon, they want to play a fps and talk shit on the mic. you dont even see them playing outside anymore. they just game and goon and once it breaks them they transition