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I will consider it successful when it does the very thing Eric set off to do and that is compete with the Big 2.
>I will consider it successful when it does the very thing Eric set off to do and that is compete with the Big 2.
First issue already outsold all Marvel and DC comics this year.
You got any numbers to back up that statement?
$487k
Rippa is already wiping his ass with Marvel and DC sales numbers, and approaching manga territory.
National pornographic and Mouse shills will never recover from this.
It made $500k because of whales
So far, it's below the cancellation line Marvel and DC has
>$500k is below the cancellation line for Marvel and DC?
Cancellation is around 20,000 comics, for $4 bucks a piece, that's $80,000.
But keep seething.
Bruh, only just barely 5000 people actually spent money on it
It's being funded by fricking whales who are willing to spend more for less
>Selectively picks the pointless numbers for push his talking points.
Ignoring the fact that the book is only taking pre-orders, it's the first day (of a 75 day campaign), nearly $600,000 made (over 500% more than the expected $100,000).
If you think these numbers would cancel a Marvel or DC book then they're deluded.
A small group of people paying thousands of dollars to buy a comic.
>1 day makes 500% of the money he invested in his comic
>ex artists that were scoffed at and kicked out of the industry are making bank while the trannies are making pennies
>marvel and dc are shrinking their operations
>pretty soon people like EVS, Jon Malin, Eric July etc; will be running the comic game
Black persontrannies like you will be huddled in the corner jerking off to troony Batman and gender queer Superman selling only a tenth of what these guys will be selling. Cope and seethe.
Bruh, Cyberfrog Vol 2 still isn't even out yet
Shhhh! It's not about getting actual comics, it's about pouring money on some smiling Sam to Own Teh Libz!
My own political views aren't a matter of public record, I'm seriously considering stifling them for a bit and shearing some of the wool off these willing sheep myself.
And? I'm patient I got a free t-shirt and hat from EVS, so I'm cool waiting.
To make anything near these numbers marvel and DC has to pay like 3-4 writers and 10 artists to write a 60 issue cross serial story arc. Eric literally has 1 untested character in 1 issue selling for 35 dollars an issue. Yea pound for pound Rippaverse stomps.
Should've held out for one of the Rose Tico figures he cut up. I heard at higher tiers, he'd send you one stained with his own impotently angry tears!
Cope and or seethe.
Mate, SIKTC and Saga sell much more than these chucklefricks
No idea what you're talking about, link them maybe I'll give them a read.
And they'll still be b***hing about manga being better because all of this means nothing if none of this comicsgate Black folk can sell an issue from comic stores.
Weird how rightoids keep insisting they're in touch with the common man, but have all this cash to burn on overhyped vanity projects
>but have all this cash to burn on overhyped vanity projects
Hey now, it almost sounds like you're suggesting there's some kind of astroturfing going on from third parties who actually have tons of cash to toss around. Surely that'd never happen!
Its gotta be below even 20,000. Some of these comics probably had single digit numbers. Like, who read Superior Iron Man?
Marvel and DC release MULTIPLE books that sell about that much or more, plus trades and omnibuses. The dude made $600k out of like 5000 dudes. Good for him, but let’s not pretend like as if that means he’s competing with the bigger publishers. If he makes a second issue, it’s gonna have less demand. This happened with any Comicsgate affiliated comic. Cyberfrog initially made a million dollars off of like 15k dudes, and then went down as EVS released less and less shit. Kamen America is another one that started big, but only now makes less than half of that with a niche audience. It will never compete with the Big 2 or other publishers, at least not in the way other indie comics do.
>I-its be-because of w-whales
>i-its be-because of money l-laundering
>i-its the c-chuds!!!
please frick off a roof and have a nice day
>First issue already outsold all Marvel and DC comics this year.
Kek, you must be one of those morons. I'll wait for your seething when issue 2 and up can't even beat Harley Quinn
It just started. It will succeed when people mention the Rippaverse in the same sentence as DC or Marvel.
>Rippaverse in the same sentence as DC or Marvel.
I don't think that'll happen based on the fact that Rippaverse is a dumbass name.
Surprised he didn't go with RIP Comics, to play off of his goal of killing the big two/ripping comics.
Yeah and also considering he hates multiverse shit I think it gives the wrong impression
>Yeah and also considering he hates multiverse shit I think it gives the wrong impression
>universe and multiverse are the same thing
Are you damaged?
Usually when something gets verse added to the end of it nowadays it's multiverse related (like spider-verse)
We really don't need you shills spamming this altright scam. You've already got two threads, frick off.
>Altright
Lmao moron
The comic may not be altright (we'll never know because like every other altright scam it's never coming out)
It scams altright morons like you out of your money which is why it's called an altright scam
But thabks for being so fricking moronic and triggered by the word that you just had to whine before finishing the post
seething commie troon
He called you a moron, and you responded with a paragraph.
It's like three sentences
What do you think a paragraph is?
So what's the distinction? One guy calls another a moron and he responds with three sentences. It's so mundane of a detail I don't understand why you think it's worth being pointed out.
>So what's the distinction?
This is lord of the flies, and you're trying to teach a class.
>This is lord of the flies
Imagine being this guy holy shit
>t's so mundane of a detail I don't understand why you think it's worth being pointed out.
>But thabks for being so fricking moronic and triggered by the word that you just had to whine before finishing the post
That was why I pointed it out, he accused the guy of being triggered but could not handle "Lmao moron"
>you responded with a paragraph.
it's called a leftist meme
>"C-C-CHUDS EARNING CASH?"
>t. seething big two employee
imagine being this made at people succeeding.
troony troon troon frick yoon
>alt right
>The creator is literally black
A true white nationalist wouldnt buy a comic made by a Black person. You just think that everyone who isnt leftist communist trash like you is alt right.
>Blacks can't have differing views
Sounds a bit racist anon. Are you trying to say Blacks can only be left-wing? Well no wonder 90% of Blacks vote Democrat.
>Alright Scam that's never coming out.
Wait a minute. I dont think I've seen and Alright project that never came out. They all have been very consistent.
I've never heard of Rippaverse, but their protag is brown and not covered in american flags. Even their website isn't saying anything about sjws, censorship, etc. At least on the homepage.
It's written by Eric July, who is a libertarian anarchist.
>It's going to be the worst shit you've ever read in your life
Could've just said that.
He's also the owner of his own record company and in a moderately successful band. What would he gain from taking time away from that to set up a several year long elaborate scam? Why is it so hard to believe someone would actually try to make a company to compete with the big two?
Because you sad pathetic shill. These morons have fallen for this exact same scam twice now
You've been wrong every time, but don't let that stop you.
The scam isn't that they're taking the money and running. The scam is the promise that they're going to change the comic industry when in actuality they put out a few issues then give up.
Well that's a hell of a cope.
>they have to be so successful that they buy out marvel and dc, otherwise its a scam
Im never giving this guy one red cent, but if his comic if any good, then I hope he carves himself a niche for readers who want capeshit minus the homosexualry. He's already more successful than the troons who want to replace Harry Potter.
>He's already more successful than the troons who want to replace Harry Potter.
huh?
Alright. Whatever. I like superhero stories. Even if Eric abandons the company and it dies, I'll enjoy reading some nice stories if they're good.
lol, keep moving the goal posts back chudly.
>its a scam
it came out, hows that a scam
>NOT LIKE THAT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
change your diaper homosexual.
Sure it did. They make more money going indie than big 3 and have proven that any shlub can do it and there is a market that the big comic companies are neglecting.
Think of all the artists and writers that are flipping the bird to Marvel and DC and ring fingering Image knowing that they can do it themselves and it will be infinitely better for doing it.
>fricking over your own reputation for no reason only to decide to give up
unlikely lol
For me it's because Eric associates with comicgate outrage peddlers like Ddaycobra and Geeks+Gamers so I already don't trust this.
>What would he gain from taking time away from that to set up a several year long elaborate scam?
Your money?
>It's written by Eric July, who is a libertarian anarchist
So I imagine the main plot of the series is him trying to beat the Age of Consent?
>So I imagine the main plot of the series is him trying to beat the Age of Consent?
It's not politicized.
>It's not politicized.
You guys also said it didn't need to be crowdfunded and that the verse would be about more than just capeshit. Why should I believe the third claim when the first two were falsified? Because you'll say "ynbaw" if I question rather than consume?
NOOOOOOOO IT'S THE DUMB OL' LEFT THAT CONSUMES WITHOUT THINKING HONEST
Y-Y-YOU CAN'T POINT OUT THAT RIGHTOIDS WILL THROW MONEY AT ANY OLD SHIT TO OWN DA LIBS
Yes, pandering to the right should be profitable, and pandering to leftytroons should get you lynched.
>It's not politicized.
So if it's not politicised, why are you all crowing about this beating the shit out of 'woke' comics? Can't have it both ways, frickface.
Anime/Manga beats the shit out of woke comics specifically by not being politicized.
A non-political beating out a political thing isn't political.
Ahh shit, you've done it now, prepare for the American autist to try to pretend that having a story with conflict and stakes and a world where things happen is the same as a comic where a troony complains about being misgendered at a fertility clinic.
>Anime/Manga beats the shit out of woke comics specifically by not being politicized.
It's more that you're just culturally myopic and don't recognize politics when it isn't the hamfisted american idpol stuff.
I thought Japanese comics were about being a wild, free-thinking High School student who's eternally blue-balled, graduating, then becoming a cog in the merciless machine, losing all hope and dreaming a Magical Waifu will come out of your television set and have sexings with you.
That's my take at least.
>then becoming a cog in the merciless machine
Exactly. Off the top of my head I can think of maybe five or six manga where the theme is "our companies exploit our labor and abuse us" and those are hardly rare.
Cinemaphile would insist there's absolutely nothing political about that, because Cinemaphile has decided that politics means "black lesbian".
And on that note, I recommend "Zom 100: Bucket List of the Dead"
Cinemaphile thinks politics is when character is black or gay. They’ll claim media is far left while media is as corporate as ever. The culture war is so carefully engineered that any sort of class awareness is met with dismissal from both the right and establishment left
>I thought Japanese comics were about being a wild, free-thinking High School student who's eternally blue-balled
That's the capeshit of Eastern media.
Nah, that would be battle shounen, many of which aren't about high schoolers.
The ones about high schoolers who get blue-balled forever tend to be romcoms.
You mean the overwhelming majority? Western comics has it's From Hell's and Northlanders too.
The overwhelming majority of Japanese comics are really dumb, derivative shit. They aren't a good example of ANYTHING, except sales. And people around here WILL NOT SHUT UP about how sales aren't a virtue unto itself.
>The overwhelming majority of Japanese comics are really dumb, derivative shit.
The overwhelming majority of everything is dumb, derivative shit, I don't know why white people keep trying to plod this out as if it doesn't apply to literally every medium ever.
>The overwhelming majority of [all media] are really dumb, derivative shit.
Ok Fine. Then let's stop advancing the hueg salez of Manga as some kind of virtue unto itself.
It's formulaic mass-produced dreck, 99%.
It's like saying the McDouble is teh greatest sandwich evar created.
People talk about the huge sales of manga in America because for a long time idiots pretended that comics were dying in America because people don't want to read print media.
The explosion of sales in manga disproves that, people just don't want to read annoying, preachy print media, which is why manga sales make up almost half of the entire market in America as of last year, even when including kid's comics and the direct market.
>The explosion of sales in manga disproves that, people just don't want to read annoying, preachy print media
Americans barely want to read, period, and if they do read they want it to 100% agree with their own preconceptions or to be social posts about THEM.
American Cape Comics have largely made the movie to live media, where they make 10,000x the money of Manga and Anime and are every bit as preachy.
Japs are always 50 years behind in what's cool and hip.
>American Cape Comics have largely made the movie to live media, where they make 10,000x the money of Manga and Anime
The only cape media that makes that money are the movies.
The shows are a wet fart and now that China's started banning the movies even they aren't making what they used to.
But yes, American comics have not seen a loss in sales because Americans don't like reading, but rather because American comics are just trash.
>and now that China's started banning the movies even they aren't making what they used to.
Cool, it's only 9000x what Manga and Anime are worth now. Though we have a third movie making a run at a billion dollars this year (NWH made almost a billion in 2022). How many billions are Manga sales?
Floppy comics and disposable manga are just quaint. Japan won the comics war, but only after it stopped even mattering.
I like how even on Cinemaphile you admit that the industry that you're literally on this board to discuss is irrelevant, and somehow you think that's some kind of "own."
It's a niche hobby board on a Jap-themed forum, no shit. I mainly discuss the comic movies here, or older stuff I like, or find the rare new gem.
Unless Cinemaphile has a Berserk, Vinland or One Punch thread I do not bother with it, it's a total wasteland of pathetic waifu-shit.
>It's a niche hobby board on a Jap-themed forum, no shit.
You say that like anywhere outside of this board gives a frick about comics either.
This is probably the largest English-language comic discussion forum on the planet.
Because comics are irrelevant, since they have 0 appeal outside of old white boomers and braindead Americans.
Even my 75 yr old Grandmother knows who the frick Ant-Man and the Wasp are now.
She has never read a comic, she and grandpops own the entire MCU on blu-ray/4k.
Grandpops used to read comics in the day, he'd laugh at the idea of reading some shitty Jap comic about High School gangs.
>C-comics aren't dead, m-my old white boomer grandparents love them!
homie are you for fricking real?
>Even my 75 yr old Grandmother knows who the frick Ant-Man and the Wasp are now.
Are they buying Ant-man and Wasp comics and merchandise? No? Then why does it matter?
>and merchandise?
4k movies aren't merchandise????
People call Avatar "culturally insignificant" because it didn't sell toys, but that shit sold the frick out of expensive 3D big screen tvs, the most expensive merchandise imaginable.
So it only counts if it's floppies? What sort of brain-dead take is that?
American comics don’t sell as much because the big publishers still rely on comic shops selling overpriced 30 page booklets to collectors rather than actual readers. They don’t do what manga does, which is market and distribute their shit where most people can actually get them. I can go to a local Walgreens and find volumes of Chainsaw Man, My Hero, Dragon Ball 3 in 1s, fricking Sailor Moon and Tokyo Ghoul. The only American comics they sell is fricking Archie reprints. I go to a Walmart and find an entire shelf full of manga in the books and magazines hall, but just a few trades of Marvel and DC comics hidden away in a corner in the fricking toy section. Marvel and DC own some of the biggest IPs on the planet and they fricking SUCK at getting people to buy their shit, all because they don’t want to invest a bit more in distribution and marketing. It’s beyond moronic. The new gay ass Superman would be selling like hot cakes if those gay ass kids could actually get their fricking hands on one of those books. Gay ass manga sells like a motherfricker, so the “woke” excuse doesn’t work here. It’s plain and simple that the Big 2 are just run by morons.
So they're exactly like Rippa then?
*made the move
the reason manga is outselling comic isn't because capeshit became woke, in fact DC and marvel sells have been getting better these last few years.
>Data from 7 years ago
Uhh...
>https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2021.html
>Comic-book dollar sales were around $420 million, a 16% increase over the prepandemic year of 2019 and a whopping 53% increase over 2020, which had many fewer new comics releases. The comic-book total is higher than any in unadjusted dollars since the early 1990s.
That's not accounting for the shady tactics they've been doing to comic shops by relaunches and over shipping. There's a reason why Marvel and DC have been shrinking in size and most recently there've been rumors that there's gonna be another wave of firings coming in November.
Now let's look at comic book dollar sales over the last 5 years.
Hmm, little to no growth compared to graphic novels (AKA kid's comics and manga).
Are you sure that "Graphic Novels" doesn't include tpb and hardcover comic collections?
Really sure?
Hmm, let's look at some of the top-selling TPBs and hardcover collections in comic shops then.
Weird, awful lot of manga on this list.
Did I even imply or suggest that Manga do not sell well? Please point it out, and leave that innocent man of straw alone. I'm saying that the "Graphic Novel" category seems to be a catch-all for EVERYTHING that isn't a floppy or a digital sale. That's a pretty broad catch-all, of course it is largest.
>I'm saying that the "Graphic Novel" category seems to be a catch-all for EVERYTHING that isn't a floppy or a digital sale.
And the majority of graphic novel sales are kid's comics and manga.
Like easily 80%+, if not more.
are DC not on that list for some reason? I find it hard to believe they don't have at least one graphic novel in the top 150
DC is finished!
Seriously tho I find the whole list kind of sus.
What book did they publish that pushed 379k copies?
DC isn't distributed through Diamond anymore so they get no GN estimates through Comichron.
so in other words this list is worthless garbage, because I suspect (as a Marvel fan) that DC moves larger amounts of TPB and HC than Marvel does in any given month.
Pretty sure Marvel is the bigger of the 2.
>because I suspect (as a Marvel fan) that DC moves larger amounts of TPB and HC than Marvel does in any given month.
Here are the sales to comic shops in 2020.
to give an idea, going off by the data of this chart and if I didn't frick up adding the numbers, Marvel has 173891 estimated unit, compared to DC's 84 985.
A large part of marvel's one come from star wars tho.
thank you
there still is growth tho, most people who buy manga would never consider buying capeshit comic, be they "woke" or not.
If you lump together Manga, kid's comics(?) and TPB/HC comics, of course that's going to be the biggest bar. And clearly they are lumping Manga in with TPB and HC sales, because they broke comics into "digital" as well.
Manga alone is bigger than all of capeshit and non-kids comics combined.
>most people who buy manga would never consider buying capeshit comic
Largely because capeshit is boring.
Same reason I wouldn't be into most American non-capeshit comics either, they are also boring.
>7 year old graph
oh no...
>It's like saying the McDouble is teh greatest sandwich evar created.
found the Alex Jones listener.
Sales are either a Virtue or they aren't, you cannot turn it on for "Stuff I like" and disregard it for "Stuff I Don't Like". You need to buckle-down and make the decision.
Okay, and? I'm talking about a point in time when Alex Jones misread an article on the McDouble, read the article on-air, caught the point when he realised he'd misunderstood the whole thing and still brought it up repeatedly for months on end. Pretty sure he still brings it up even today.
I have never heard this story and it sounds funny. Can you elaborate?
Not much more to it than that. There was a discussion in a group comparing foods by calorific value to the dollar, and someone suggested that if you go by those the McDouble could arguably be considered one of the better foods for your dollar - it was purely a thought experiment, no one was seriously saying the McDouble was the healthiest or best food out there. But Alex Jones read the story about it (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/10210327/McDouble-is-cheapest-and-most-nutritious-food-in-human-history.html) and, him being him, took the headline at face value. He's reading the whole thing in this snooty know-it-all voice, talking about how it's soooooo liiiiiiiberallllllll to want to eat nothing but McDonalds, the usual gross bullshit. Then he gets about two, three paragraphs in, realises nothing he's been talking about is true and immediately goes 'and it goes on from there ANYWAY MOVING ON BUY MY PRODUCTS!'.
Yeah I guess that is pretty underwhelming. It's gonna be hard to top the story where he tried to get custody of his kids and on the stand couldn't remember basic facts about them because "he had a big bowl of chili for lunch"
It's a perfect illustration of how he never reads past the headline and takes that as gospel truth. For someone who apparently spends 20 hours a day doing 'research' (including his sleep, or as he calls it 'doing research in my mind') and has dozens of 'stacks' of articles on his desk (printer paper, it's just stacks of printer paper), he's really, really bad at his job.
>don't recognize politics when it isn't the hamfisted american idpol stuff.
Honestly I use political/politicize as shorthand for that because fictional western stories about politics that are internal to the setting are unicorn status.
But there are also loads and loads of manga that have nothing to do with politics even generally. Internal or otherwise.
One Piece is the most popular manga of all time and it's super political.
Is it loads and loads of manga?
No? Just one?
Then we don't disagree. I didn't say the most popular, nor all, nor the majority. Just a that lot aren't political.
It's political in the same way that MGS is.
When people complain about politics they're not complaining about a piece of media depicting an evil corporation (because let's be honest, 99% of people on both sides can admit that most corporations are fricking greedy and would gladly do evil shit to protect their bottom line) or an oppressive government.
They're complaining about moronic American idpol garbage, which is shit that no one likes except Americans who are mired in idpol garbage.
I don't think I've ever seen someone complain about Ajin's story heavily involving discrimination because it's done in a way that's not completely fricking moronic like it is in American media, and also Ajin's mangaka doesn't go online and pretend it's some kind of important society-changing piece of fiction.
That and it also has a legitimately top-tier antagonist.
Okay, then clearly the problem isn't politics. The problem is shitty writers USING social identities as a bandaid to cover up shitty writing. If these guys just said "these books are boring and have awkward, stilted dialogue" nobody would disagree with them. They conflate the real issue with surface-level bullshit.
>Okay, then clearly the problem isn't politics.
Right, the problem is specifically American politics.
Brother you ain't hearin me out. Half of the classic Veritgo titles everyone loves have the exact same kinds of social stuff that these guys rage against today, it's just done well.
>Transmet: Entirely about american politics
>Y the Last Man: Gender dynamics
>The Invisibles: Transgender character
>Shade the Chaning Man: Transgender Character
>Animal Man: Environmentalism, polyamory
>Swamp Thing: Environmentalism
>Enigma: Gay coming out story
The problem today isn't politics or even american politics. It's garbage writers who are being hired because the parent companies are being as cheap as they can possibly get away with.
>everyone loves
Lol.
No, most people don't even know what many of those comics are.
The issue is American politics, American politics have gotten beyond moronic.
You're never going to get people to admit the problem is bad writing over politics because then when these comics they shill for have bad writing (and they always do) they don't have a leg to stand on.
>Entirely about american politics
about the monoculture and a PARODY of american politics
>y
0 rooting in the USA
>invisibles
has more to do with brit punk ideas than american politics, fanny was a travestite / drag queen.
>shade
>animal man
>swamp thing
you didn't get it all.
>enigma
you mean the guy where they openly said the guys was reality warped into gay and is overall a diss on divine-like characters, and who addresses appropriation of gays / shutting down gay discourse in it's fan mail page?
>companies are being as cheap as they can possibly get away with.
what a crazy fricking coincidence that means hiring radical leftists 100% of the time
>radical leftists 100% of the time
Christ, his pacifier fell out! Anyone see it?
>It's garbage writers who are being hired because the parent companies are being as cheap as they can possibly get away with.
But people are too dumb to realize that, or say their piece and move on, instead they just turn everything they don’t like into a culture war and then b***h about it until the end of time. People to this day whine about Gabby Rivera even though she hasn’t written anything for Marvel for like five years at this point, because in their eyes everything published by Marvel is exactly like one shitty Ms Marvel miniseries. Or they cry about Carol Danvers wearing a t-shirt that said feminist agenda.
Gabby Rivera did America, not Ms Marvel.
Also iirc she was a YA author of some acclaim when Marvel hired her, so she was technically more qualified than random youtube "social commentators".
Also, the blonde in the agenda t-shirt was Mockingbird. Carol gets hate for wearing pants and having an inconsistent hairstyle.
But the core truth of your statement is still accurate. Capeshit doesn't pay enough and has too many creative demands to attract anyone with new bold ideas. Why waste your ideas on a sandbox where anything you build gets erased in six months when you leave? For the autistic fans that will hate anything you do? For the pittance you get paid?
>people have had enough of my marxist bullshit ruining every hobby under the sun? Oh no, it's a heckin war-erino!
homosexual.
People blame politics because if you specify that it’s the way modern comics shove the writer’s view in your face in aggressive and jarring manners, the "Everything is political" crowd will simply move the goalposts and say shit like
>Oh and Captain America punching Hitler on the cover of his first issue isn’t aggressive hmmmmm?
And if you try to explain how that’s different because the context and how the story flows, they’ll simply move the goalposts again, and then again, and then again, and again because they’re not actually wanting to convince you on the importance of politics in art, just that they have the right to clumsily shove in THEIR politics and that you’ll just have to choke it down chud. As such it’s just easier to say "I don’t want (American) politics in my fiction".
It'd be way simpler if you just admitted it wasn't about politics about about seeing blacks and gays in your fiction.
Two things: congrats on the trips and thanks for telling me you’re disingenuous. Now I know not to waste time talking to a moron like you, very helpful.
>They conflate the real issue with surface-level bullshit.
This is priceless considering how much “criticism” on this board can’t even make low bar of “it’s boring and has awkward, stilted dialogue” complaints and 90% of the time just revolves ad hominem throwing, whining about propaganda, etc.
>They're complaining about moronic American idpol garbage
They’re crying because they think if it’s got a black or gay character who doesn’t look and pretend to be a upper middle class WASP and it’s idpol and woke. Because that’s what it is,screeching about buzzwords. It doesn’t even have to make sense, they want to whine for the sake of whining. It’s part of their identity to be against anything that’s ambiguously woke.
Trans character talking about something that makes it clear they’re trans? Idpol
Black character happens to mention the fact they’re black? Idpol
Gay character not looking like a mormon? Idpol!
Character having weird color hair? Idpo
A woman fighting a guy who’s an butthole? Fricking idpol!!!
A red head character cast as black? IDPOL (but let’s ignore every time a red head character has their hair color changed when a white actor is cast)
>They’re crying because they think if it’s got a black
Anon, this thread is literally about a comic starring a black guy kickstarted by a black guy.
Hell, I'M black.
When people b***h about idpol they b***h about American politics, it's that simple.
There are plenty of gay, multicolored, and strong female characters in manga that no one cares about because those characters aren't written by morons mired in American politics, which means they tend to be written like actual people and not self-inserts for whatever moronic garbage the author is into that day.
My homie. I'd gladly read a comic about a troony if it was written well and not mired with political and social garbage. Shit one of my favorite DC comic characters was Midnighter and I didn't give a shit he was gay because he was written really well, then they ruined him with idpol "muh struggle" story arcs and that was the final straw with DC.
Yep, it's really that simple.
I've read manga about all sorts of shit, this idea that when people b***h about politics it's because they don't like seeing black people or gay people in their media is fricking moronic. It's attributing the beliefs of a specific brand of /misc/tards to everyone that these Cinemaphilemblr types thinks is their ideological enemy.
Which is fricking baffling because everyone who's not a moron knows that a lot of the people who prefer manga to comics aren't even fricking white or conservative.
I guess it's just a little hard to believe when people so routinely defend the shitty writing of books like Kamen America.
I don't think the people who read manga care much about Kamen America.
I have trouble taking anyone who goes about how manga is so much better seriously when usually all they do is just read Shounen Jump manga.
If that's how you want to justify yourself, then sure.
>then they ruined him with idpol "muh struggle" story arcs and that was the final straw with DC
Sometimes I have the impression that people here are fine with gay or trans character as long as they don't talk about the struggles related to oppression and discrimination. When they even try to do that, you guys cry and seethe because those aren't things you find relatable and you get pissed regardless of the writing quality
Their worldview relies on them being the most oppressed and having it the hardest.
My brother in Christ, what part of "well written" don't you understand. Not like idpol garbage =/= well written story arc about a difficult facet of life? It's like equating leftism with liberalism, they are two completely different things. Midnight & Apollo addressed some gay issues really well without having to go and on about being oppressed or a victim. Garbage like Captain Marvel or some of the shit they did with gay Superman was laughably bad, they go on and on and on about victim politics and systems of oppressions 99% of people don't give a shit and 100% of them will enjoy it if it comes from a solid narrative not "this side of the aisle is evil nazi's". It's why the companies are failing, it's why DC scrapped a ton of their titles including Aquaman and why the MCU is a flop. Comics have always addressed cultural and political narratives but they did it in a way that respects both sides of the audience and most importantly it respected their intelligence. FFS, Hal Jordan and Flash was Republicans, Superman and WW were Libertarians and Batman and Green Arrow were two different kinds of Democrats and they all addressed issues with respect to the others' point of view. Remember the convo between Superman(coulda been Green Arrow) and Flash over gun control? Or how about foreign intervention with Batman and Superman? Now it's just "oh my god my day is ruined some guy misgendered me" and "I suck wiener now let me protest climate change with my twink boyfriend who my superfriends think is just as stunning and brave as me a literal god." They hired a bunch of latte commies who then weaseled their way into positions of power and fired ANY ideological diversity, now the mainstream industry is floundering with more personnel cuts incoming if the rumors are anything to be believed.
>words words words
the left cant meme
The right can't read. Makes sense you guys are trying to fund a comic book of all things so you can look at the pretty pictures instead.
I think the reason people have a hard time "understanding" that the issue is poor writing is because we see people eagerly defend bad writing when conservatives do it.
>Anon, this thread is literally about a comic starring a black guy kickstarted by a black guy.
The only difference here is that he’s got special exemption because he’s a black guy crying about wokeism. It’s like how conservatives hate black people unless it’s someone like Clarence Thomas who is making liberals mad.
Manga is heavily political. Americans are just too moronic to understand
the creator was shittalked for doing that and back down. Turns out people hate random injections of shit into what they like.
So just like the whining that ensues over here
See
The only actual comic book page posted in any threads about this guy in he last month that wasn't complaining about DC Pride was some indie thing about a copy/pasted crowd protesting vaccine mandates.
That would be a French socialist comic.
The people who were dumb enough to download the /misc/ malware dump deserve to have their desktops turned into bot farms, like OP's clearly has.
How about the female characters?
And the female characters, do they look like trannies or is there some cheesecake?
Maybe I'd like it if I knew absolutely anything about the comic, I watched the announcement video and all it told me was the things it wasn't.
I'll just say I am not paying over 40 dollars for a comic that's only half the size of an average manga volume no less a comic TP. I don't care how well this is somehow selling, that's fricking baffling.
>signed: T. Monthly 20 page $4.99 shit buyer
>Regginverse
Can't wait for the anti woke you shill this shit to kingdom come and probably say all those who criticize it are woke shills and astroturfers. What the hell has the world come to?
>It's available for purchase.
Lies.
>Quality over quantity homosexual
You haven't even read the comic, ya dumb sycophant. And one single comic getting bunch of reactionary idiots throw hundreds of dollars at it doesn't mean anything. If he publishes a new comic every week that had sales like that you might have a point. All this is is the guy directing his YouTube channel to fund his shit and overpay for a comic.
They hate you because you tell the truth
>Cyber Frog
Read it. Great story.
>Jawbreakers
Awesome story.
>Godlike
9/10
I'm 100% confident it'll probably be leagues better than any LGBT#$SDFR@ story in the mainstream garbage.
Also I literally bought a poster and the autographed copy. Less than 90 bucks. Ever since I stopped supporting the mainstream I've saved close to 200 bucks a month. Rather support Rippaverse than the companies who made Batman bicurious and Superman a homosexual.
Honestly you should have dropped DC comics ages ago, you simpleton.
Stopped buying physical comics around 2014. So I've literally saved thousands of dollars since then.
Me I just buy hardcovers of stuff I'm nostalgic over or have a very high regard for.
I haven't bought a floppy in over 20 years, and I certainly won't start again with "fight the powah" comics.
Nice collection you got there.
The way I see it, I'd rather support people trying to make meaningful change in an system infested in woke political garbage, than people who hate the characters they write, people that buy them and society that created them.
>trying to make meaningful change in an system infested in woke political garbage
I remember back when Conservatives imposed strict restrictions on comic publishing, and comic fans were aggrieved by it. Now we live in a society where the hoary old companies are "too liberal", but at least anyone can publish a comic with whatever they want now.
Really it's a fantastic improvement over the Old Conservative Days. Inb4 chuckleheads believing the Conservatives aren't in love with censorship.
The frick are you on about? There's a difference between liberals and woke leftists.
Shh, he's too American to understand that.
Americans don't realize that liberals are right-wing, because Americans don't know what actual leftists look like.
Our own liberals and leftists do a good enough job confusing the issue for us.
My homie.
Funny thing is other than being a 1a and 2a absolutist(yes if I want to buy a fully kitted Abrams tank I want the oppurtunity to do so), I'm fairly liberal.
>other than being a 1a and 2a absolutist
I've never met one, just like a True Libertarian.
I don't believe in them. It ALWAYS boils down to "rights for me, not for thee"ism.
Funny how their belief in the right to self-determinism - arguably the core tenet of libertarianism - always falters when it comes to minority rights, abortion rights, trans rights. You should be in favour of them regardless, otherwise you're not a libertarian, you're just a sparkling GOPer. And as for the 1A Absolutist, see above. They always want the ability to say whatever they want, but not have to listen to feedback. It's almost as if they're invested in having the ability to say very specific words in particular...
Holy hell, someone with some brain cells. Nice to meet you.
Yes, liberals are different than "liberals" but the people you call liberals are probably the latter anyway (and there isn't a meaningful difference between woke lefties and non-woke lefties)
>outselling
Do you even know what that word even means?
>Do you even know what that word even means?
No, why don't you explain it to me.
>6k backers
>not understanding business or economics
Sounds about right for a shill. What's the matter they don't teach that shit in poo university?
Wow, that /misc/ malware dump was even more nefarious than I thought...
How do you know Eric didn't donate a chunk of money to himself and pretend it's 5,000 people doing it?
Isn't doing that a huge breach of most crowdfunding guidelines? Like, it's one of the things you're absolutely not supposed to do.
>Isn't doing that a huge breach of most crowdfunding guidelines?
It would be if he were using an established crowdfunding platform. Apparently this is just his own site.
Where can one find the actual sells figures of DC and Marvel books?
You can't, you'll only find estimates.
The only part of the American comic industry that gives actual point-of-sale numbers is the graphic novels part, mainly thanks to NPD's Bookscan (which now also includes ComicHub numbers, but that's only for 100 stores).
>Introducing Griftaverse Comics
>money launderer money launders
who the frick is rippa and why should I give a shit
Latest Grifter selling "fight da powah" to the perpetually aggrieved at huge mark-up.
Its a booming industry.
what does he do? lps? strean? music?
It literally doesn't even matter. He's selling his "Fight da Woke", he barely needs a product.
He'll collect large sums and never actually even fight anything. It just makes whiners feel like part of a community and such.
ah, like a modern sex pistols
guess we finally reached the stage that people had been predicting: conservatives will be the new punks.
Don't pay attention to coping and seething homosexuals like >
Rippa is a social commentator, he was in 2 bands and mostly just reviews shitty woke movies and debates braindead leftists. Politics aside the story comics looks interesting and he's got some great artists working for him.
>social commentator
>reviews shitty woke movies
>debates braindead leftists
politics aside though, eh?
And what about this looks good, exactly? The fact that no one has pink hair and what else?
>new character and world to explore
>non woke pandering
>no political slants, at least none that I can see so far
>supporting independent creators
>contributing to the downfall of establishment titles
If non of these interest you even a little then keep enjoying the same establishment and tired color by numbers garbage with a "i suck wieners" pseudo commie political lean.
>>non woke pandering
the protagonist is black.
That's not a problem.
>That's not a problem.
It has been every other time.
I have no problem with black characters. I don't like race swapped characters. White>black or black>white. That's it. I prefer characters stay true to how they were.
>black = woke
The absolute state of leftards. xd
Black people are only allowed to exist if they've been approved by racist white leftists. That means they're either gay or a race swap.
moronation at its finest here folks.
>new character and world to explore
How is it any different from seven dozen other indy comics out there?
>non woke pandering
It has a black protagonist. Sounds woke to me.
>no political slants, at least none that I can see so far
Emphasis on so far, especially when there’s no previews, etc. to base that entire assertion on.
>supporting independent creators
So why this and not another indy creator? What makes this one so special that you have to spend hundred bucks on it? Why not spend hundred bucks on Panel Syndicate?
>contributing to the downfall of establishment titles
I.e. you’re literally just a delusional chud.
>How is it any different from seven dozen other indy comics out there?
Most of my purchases have been indie comics, I don't buy mainstream anymore.
>It has a black protagonist. Sounds woke to me.
Typical racist leftist. You don't even know you're doing it huh?
>Emphasis on so far, especially when there’s no previews, etc. to base that entire assertion on.
From all the comics I've bought off these guys non have been political. Except the cop one I forget the name, that one is slightly political but not by alot.
>So why this and not another indy creator? What makes this one so special that you have to spend hundred bucks on it? Why not spend hundred bucks on Panel Syndicate?
I support a ton of indie creators, I'll look into Panel Syndicate but I support artists more than mindlessly supporting work by sub par creators.
>I.e. you’re literally just a delusional chud.
DC has let go of 30% then again another 30% of workers as well as let a lease on a building they've rented for 60 years go because of budget cuts. If you can't tell that people like me are at least contributing to their downfall then you're just delusional.
>From all the comics I've bought off these guys non have been political.
Let's put that to the test. What are the titles of "all the comics"?
>. Politics aside the story comics looks interesting
I've never seen a presentation of the story, nor any discussion about it whatsoever.
Do they? The summary for the first one I saw was just "retired hero comes out of retirement".
>Latest Grifter
>no examples
Troons are so ease E to spot.
It's funny how people think Rippa is going to take the money and run when he's build a social media platform for himself with over half a million subscribers.
Yeah, betray the trust of the people paying your bills for a measly $100,000 (original goal).
Rippa have been wanting to write comics for years. And now when he puts his money where his mouth is people are criticizing him when they should be praising him.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. I hope it works. I hope he manages to get another publishing company going. I want comics in america to flourish, and we need more competition for that.
But he's got a hell of an uphill battle ahead of him, and what he's presented so far is not inspiring confidence. It looks like, at best, a generic action comic.
I'm not saying he'll run with the money, I'm sure some people have that shitty take tho.
I'm saying he's just another e-celeb grifter feeding off of people's hurt feels and doing nothing but getting rich. The Right-o-sphere is brimming with these snake oil salesmen now.
He has done nothing praiseworthy, and I challenge you to name what. Getting in shouting matches/exchanging insults is not praiseworthy, it happens here every second for free.
Rippa makes his first comic.
>He has done nothing praiseworthy, and I challenge you to name what.
Do mf really?
Yes, what praise-worthy thing has this guy done. Really.
t.
So you've got nothing at all.
Just call me "le troony" or something and be off with you.
>So you've got nothing at all.
If you're dumb enough not to understand that a "first comic" doesn't have any precedent then you're moronic and not worth my time.
Lots of people publish a "first comic", it's not terribly uncommon, I have some on my shelf from Kickstarter. How is that particularly praise-worthy? And try to answer without dipping into your dumbass response folder.
To be honest just making a comic isn't that big a deal. I mean shit that oppai e-girl that Cinemaphile created got a crowdfunded comic. A thousand lefty girls on twitter and tumblr have webcomics that they put out for free. All this guy has that sets him apart is a rabid fanbase that's willing to throw money at him in order to trigger some nebulous, faceless political rivals that have such hot and controversial takes as "racism = bad".
Wrong. At most, about 25% are like that the rest genuinely want to buy his work.
If you're gonna be a partisan at least understand what your political rivals are advocating. You're just creating hollow straw men to attack the ideas people advocate. It only makes you look like an ignorant child.
>Wrong. At most, about 25% are like that the rest genuinely want to buy his work.
You just pulled that number out of your ass.
Considering I'm in alot of discords of these creators the number is a rough estimate of all my friends that I know. I could get technical and say out of my 34 friends only 9 are buying the comic specifically for that reason and they're fomo boomers, the rest of us genuinely are curious about the story and me personally I'm a fan of Gabe.
>Considering I'm in alot of discords
Stopped reading
When people say grift, they don’t mean take the money and run, they mean his entire business model is just whipping angry anti-sjw crowd into a frenzy and then fooling them into buy his bland vanity product that will “own the libs” because it will somehow change everything and destroy the big two if you pay hundred dollars for a comic.
If this Rippa guy was a random guy doing an indy campaign nobody wouldn’t give a shit. But he’s an anti-sjw/woke youtuber whose contempt revolves entirely around whining about the left ruining everything and going SEE SEE IT BOMBED LMAO LIBTARDS OWNED, as well as some weird fricking oppression olympics THEY HATE YOU shit. So anyone who isn’t already his fanboy will look at his project snd think “oh this is just another dumb fricking hate buy scam”.
Why do you care how people spend their money? Watching a few thousand people spend $50 to trigger all these tears is cheap and entertaining.
Because you fricking attention prostitutes spam this board with this shit. Multiple goddamn threads about the same fricking crowdfund campaign and jumping around like morons thinking you’ve accomplished something.
Multiple Marvel and DC threads are floating around on the first page to without homosexuals like yourself throwing a temper tantrum.
COPE AND SEETHE, YOUR BLAND LGBT COMICS ARE A HUGE L (literally and figuratively because most of them are lesbian)
Exactly what the big two does all the time? Their model is:
>make old superhero but gay/dead/trans
Creating buzz through news outlets to liberals who ragebuy it to rebel against their racist uncle or something.
I'm glad that indies have cracked the code to earn more than big publishers who farm off of liberal outrage. It shows that conservatives are willing to pay more and that they're a viable audience. The comics might be bland but so is every single entry from the big two.
So there's no such thing as shitty practices, only shitty targets?
Cinemaphile never has this hissy fit whenever a huge corporation makes those gimmick comics all the time. They even do storytimes about it and claim that it is cute. It is always nefarious, shitty, and evil when indies do it for some weird reason.
I don't like those anti-SJW comics myself, but more power to small creators that can make the same amount of money as the big two using the same tactics.
Only when clear grifters do it. And every time. you get played and you come asking for seconds.
lmao
People forget that the men of that time had bad anatomy as well. A lot of male comic fans look like balding fat neckbeards, but they weren't offended by it. Feminists and their simps get unreasonably angry whenever they see attractive women with thin waists.
>Cinemaphile never has this hissy fit whenever a huge corporation makes those gimmick comics all the time.
Oh fricking please. The "Gay team-up"/"Woke Hero team" books are roundly mocked to pieces, what reality are you even living in.
Indie stuff usually flies under the radar, unless it is HEAVILY shilled like this guy is.
>Cinemaphile never has this hissy fit whenever a huge corporation makes those gimmick comics all the time.
You've already outed yourself by saying ignorant shit like this.
>Cinemaphile never has this hissy fit whenever a huge corporation makes those gimmick comics all the time.
This board is 60% hissy fits about that shit what the frick are you talking about?
>to liberals who ragebuy it to rebel against their racist uncle or something.
Yeah, that’s not a real thing. Only the right acts like that. Stop projecting dude. This entire fricking comic is just “X comes out of retirement” based on the bare bones summary and you’re acting like this is the second coming of Jesus in comic form.
>50k views per vid
>half a mill
MONEY
LAUNDERING
THIS GUY IS A LITERAL WHO
All this coping from trannies its worth whatever the hell he's doing.
>he's just wasting his money! He's grifting you! It will crash after the fist issue!
Lol
>stanning grifters
Pathetic. You'd burn your life savings if you thought it might trigger a lib.
>burn your life savings
Dude. I only bought the book. The B cover.
Muh life savings!
Typical poor leftist commie. kek get a job Black person.
Lol I didn't buy shit, but he could sell a sheet of paper that says, "Trigger a Troon" and that would be worth my life savings of $30.
Trump and Jr. have started salivating right now; and they don't even know why.
>"I will be an easily-led sheep to own the libs and the trannies and I'm proud of it!"
Wow, that's quite the own. Your social worker must be proud!
So, what exactly a comic "without politics" looks like? Any examples?
>Any examples?
Killer Shark in Another World
>unironic shill thread
No, I totally agree, you're fricking hilarious, do you do tricks as well?
N
Funny how Cinemaphile loved Rippa until he started writing his comic.
Envy is a thing I guess.
>Funny how Cinemaphile loved Rippa
I have no idea who this e-celeb is, and I've lurked here since Summer '06.
Well hey there, fellow day-oner!
Board fricking sucks these days, huh?
It's...disturbing, but at least I don't get child pron bombed anymore. Now /b/ is random nude pics and Cinemaphile is /b/.
Yes it fricking does. Greeting from a 2007er who yesterday saved a Cinemaphile swf as mp4 which was about Cinemaphile permanently closing.
Can't believe fricking jokes have to be explained to me now, not because I didn't lurk enough, but because anon has become a literal homosexual. Back then he'd be banned for that shit. No, really. This board would be dead from all the banned newbies and shitposters.
Also, is Rippa a homie or something? Thats even worse.
This gotta be a shilling operation, right?
These threads are just made to attract attention to the comic and pander to the right wing crowd on this site by going "Ha! You leftists said we'd never succeed, but we did! We are so popular, we are the talk of the whole 'chan!" despite no one really knowing anything about this guy before today.
It wouldn't surprise me if the angry posts were made by the shill(s) too. Literally manufactured outrage to push people into supporting the comic to own da libz.
This thread has 286 posts and 53 IPs, which seems pretty suspicious.
Remember to sage your posts.
This gotta be a coping operation, right?
These posts are just made to get (you)s and pander to the left wing crowd on this site by going "Ha! You rightoids said we'd never succeed, and we didnt! We are so unpopular, we are the talk of the whole 'ddit!" despite no one really knowing anything about this anon before today.
>This gotta be a coping operation, right?
Yes, shills are trying to cope with being called shills
I wish I was paid to make SJW seethe.
Jesus, imagine doing this shit for free, how fricking pathetic. If you're making money for these shitbags, you absolutely shouldn't be promoting it like an unpaid intern
Anon who GIVES A FRICK about left or right? It's a cool new comic that just dropped. Why can't you just appreciate that?
>It's a cool new comic that just dropped.
have you read it?
>It's a cool new comic that just dropped.
It literally didn't drop. It's not dropping for another month. This is preorder shilling.
Be honest, how much did you donate to the comic? You part of the marketing team? Because you sound like a marketing drone
I spent the 35 bucks for the book. I don't know what else to tell you. I just wanted to check it out. Seems cool.
Okay, so you've got skin in the game, so you're automatically biased. Stop trying to evangelise the book, it looks like the most middle-of-the-road, uninspired drek since mid-90s Image Comics. It's great that you think it looks cool, but I've seen better art in gay porn parody comics.
Ok but I'm still going to talk about the comic since I think it looks good.
That's what you don't get. People want back to the basics superhero shit without the identity politics.
Trying to break the mold with cringey hooks is how western media turned into a rainbow mess in the first place.
>wanna read the new superman comic?
>yawn, no.
>he's gay now with a trans boyfriend and his cape is the pride flag
>omg *cooms*
>still doesn't buy it
>Funny how Cinemaphile loved Rippa until he started writing his comic.
I'd never heard of him before this.
I literally never even heard of this guy until someone starting spamming rippa threads.
>N-no you’re the real racist!
Like clock work.
>
That's what liberals did with Clarence Thomas lmao
Don't forget Kanye.
Kanye needs to eat his meds, it’s frankly disturbing his people don’t stop him from running around embarrassing himself with vanity presidential runs and passive aggressively wanting to murder his ex’s new boyfriend via social media posts.
What is this, and why should I give a shit?
A comic reviewer is making his own comics.
>black dude metal head singer, rapper, political commentator, and comics fan
>mention for years how the big 2 are bastardizing beloved characters
>turning characters gay, black, female
>hates multiverse and tokenizing
>they thems tell him to make his own comics
>he does
>zhe zhers say it'll be a fail and laugh at him for months
>not even 12 hours and hes at 800k with like 8k copies sold
>despite selling well, the comic is soon forgotten
Awe, what wong sweaty
Yeah, that pretty much is what you're saying.
lol Clarence has always been based to the right. It's only when you braindead lefties encounter the based black man does the word Black person get uttered more than any redneck barbecue.
>unironically being the first person to use the term in this conversation.
Not understanding nuance, the last defense of the leftard. Anyway I'm out homosexual. Enjoy your cognitive dissonance.
why do nearly every big 2 alternative have the same art style?
Because they're nostalgic for the days of the 1996 comic book market crash
the mid 90s was such a bad time for comicbook art though, why are they nostalgic for this
who decided that "this is the comic book style"
People are simps for whatever was out when they were "certain age", and that includes comic talents.
>the mid 90s was such a bad time for comicbook art though, why are they nostalgic for this
Because of the Hawkeye Initiative, that tumblr trend that mocked the bad anatomy on the women of the era. They've convinced themselves that the art must be great because the people that hate made fun of it. That's why Jawbreakers hired the discount Liefeld, and you can't get anyone here to admit it has bad art.
This. I know a lot of stuff like Gen13 and DV8 were absolute garbage, but I still have a soft spot for them because I read them when I was 14/15. I'd love to see a more competent, modern take on them that isn't too far up its own ass though (so basically keep Warren Ellis away from the books)
That era had shit comic book art, but it had tremendously edgy stories. It is laced with profanity, sex, violence, etc.
I'd argue that it is still popular with people loving franchises like The Boys and Invincible.
>Yeah, that’s not a real thing.
It is very much a real thing, have you looked at twitter? IT is filled to the brim with liberals who constantly rebel against the "nazi theocratic status quo" lmao.
>is filled to the brim with liberals who constantly rebel against the "nazi theocratic status quo"
Quit making Twitter sound more interesting than it really is.
You should look at my feed, it is filled with crazy people.
You're namedropping every rw eceleb and you don't know what they do lol
Nick Fuentes isn't even invited to CPAC at all, he got banned from it years ago for his anti-Israel views. He trespasses it to roast them most of the time.
The other ecelebs aren't even that conservative, they're liberals who think that the left is crazy.
the boys and invincible have their recognizable art styles at least compared to bargain bin Jim Lee
But that's not even 1996 style at all.
The artists are relics of the house style
Don't you diss Valiant! Love that shit!
That's what liberals did with Clarence Thomas lmao
Milo, Candice Owens, Nick Fuentes, Caitlin Jenner, why do you think they're all so popular? Can't possibly because they shield rightoids against accusations of racism or homophobia or transphobia!
--->/pol/
I'm a nazi and I don't like any of those people.
With the exception of Milo, those frickers keep getting rolled out to CPAC and every web radio show and podcast under the sun and you fricking know it.
>Banned from CPAC and had to make AFPAC, which was such a disaster he was disavowed by every big name he had
>Banned from every major platform and had to retreat to his 0 traffic, federal honeypot hugbox site with a bunch of hasbeens like troony porn watching Alex Jones
lol. Where have you been since 2019, clown?
This just makes it clear that you people eat, breathe, sleep, and shit this kind of garbage if you're kept up-to-date on this crap. Anyone not immersed in culture war frickshit wouldn't care otherwise, but it certainly explains these shill threads.
>tried to make a political point
>got blown out hard because he didn't know what he was talking about
>posts this cope, basically admitting he doesn't know shit about politics
lol at your life.
Different anon, schizo, it's just apparent that you sewer-dwellers just love living in shit.
same post applies.
Not sitting with his tongue up Fuentes' shitbox, watching his every movement, unlike you fine gentlecels, apparently.
Why are you obsessed with fecal matter, anon?
You fricks post nothing but shit, might as well get some enjoyment out of it
You get enjoyment from posting about fecal matter...?
yes
A common sentiment held by people on the left; the protection of poop sex and poop colored people.
===> /misc/
(sniiiif) smell that? Smells like fear.
Dude looks plain ngl. Like a disposable Vertigo character
>(shaking)
(sniiiiif) aah.
Yeah that's cringe, man.
Seriously. I don't know why these crowdfunded comicsgate comics have to have the blandest looking character designs. Pic absolutely related.
No it's just Eric's diapers, He's filled them again.
Funny, because it looks like scoliosis.
Oh cool. Almost at 7k books sold. And we got like 75 days to go. What's considered the cutoff for success again? 20k books?
>What's considered the cutoff for success again? 20k books?
How much is a book? $3.99 or $4.99?
That makes it $80 - $100k.
Looks like he's well past that...
>How much is a book? $3.99 or $4.99?
$30
All it took was 1 day.
What makes this different from every other attempt at making a superhero universe?
Why should I be invested in yet another capeshit setting?
>What makes this different from every other attempt at making a superhero universe?
Hatred of wokeness.
It's not political though they swear.
killing leftists isn't political, it's pest control
I'll get the digital trade. I haven't read a floppy in years.
never seen a rippa video in my life, the comic looks boring (the main character's design is bland), but wow you Cinemaphilemosexuals sure are crying for its failure lol
700k now.
Holy shit, has Rippa already made all his money back and then some?
seven times over yeah
So this guy's doing a comic to try and get picked up by the Daily Wire's new 'entertainment' wing, right? Pretty obvious this is all a grift, right?
>Pretty obvious this is all a grift, right?
He's already called you out dude.
Jesus Christ, Ballsucker of Borg getting all up on my grundle here. Try and make the viral marketing a little less obvious, it's pretty pathetic
>anons excited for a new comic
>moron is mad people are happy for a new comic
?
>Ballsucker of Borg
This sounds like a DC villain name.
This is yet another reason why femoids shouldn't be allowed to speak.
Samegay
Cope.
What if multiple people just find you annoying, anon?
>Ballsucker of Borg getting all up on my grundle here.
He called you out literally right now. You're mad that other people are enthusiastic about his comic. What the frick?
He works for Blaze (glenn beck) and is in a band
He could very easily network himself into DW's entertainment thing if he wanted to, without all of this trouble.
Rippa has mentioned he wants to do this completely in-house. Not the blaze, not the wire, and not a standard Kickstarter campaign. The guy wants to own it all and make money, which is why he apparently spent like 100k or 200k on this shit over a long time.
Aww, what's the matter, kiddo? You getting cranky? Is it Nappy Time?
what exactly is this shit and why does it sound like astroturfing
We've got like five threads up and they're all the same shit. This is absolutely astroturfing and we should be reporting the shit out of it.
>We've got like five threads up and they're all the same shit. This is absolutely astroturfing and we should be reporting the shit out of it.
God, you people are so thin-skinned. Challenge you on anything and you REEEE the frick out like a Rick and Morty fan in McDonalds. Never fricking change, you miserable, worthless bastards.
you're projecting
$750k
>not even 12 hours since products were made available for purchase
I didn't know he was that popular, because I don't watch people talk on youtube
>h-h-he's grifting!
Zhey/Zem seething.
Right-wingers should know about grifters more than anyone. You guys elect them every year lol.
To be fair anon, grifting the populace has bipartisan support.
I love how the left has adopted "grift" as their meaningless buzzword of choice in the vein of "snowflake" and "sperg," it requires such an utter lack of self awareness to deploy.
Anyone read 4th Ages Comic? For all his self filating medieval philosophy wank I thought his comic pitch looked plain and boring, which is the worst kind of story. Keep in mind I say this and I like RJ!
I'm confused why are some of you guys accusing a black guy writting a comic about a black superhero alt right?
Well for starters it's a stretch to call him alt right. He's a self-admitted black conservative dude whoso happens to be a big comic fan. If people are think this is going to be /misc/ comic shilling, he's gone on record stating to not beat his fans/readers with politics.
>very little advertisement so far.
True, as some who doesn't give a shit about "the man", my interest and enthusiasm died very quickly.
Yeah, there was like 3~4 threads about this ranging for new update on Rippaverse to Hahah frick DCcucks and Marvel gays
>Yeah, there was like 3~4 threads
Nah I'm talking about how this all felt similar when EVS and Richard successfully kickstarted their own comics years ago. And nothing much came out of that.
>And nothing much came out of that.
yes, but by giving them lots of money they triggered the libs, apparently.
>he's gone on record stating to not beat his fans/readers with politics.
The thing is, we've heard this sort of thing before, and it results in stuff like alt hero, the confedarate flag wearing stripper with a grudge against the UN, or Kamen America, the anime rip off whose big struggle in life is "a teacher told her she didn't have to be a tradwife"
The only one of the comics in this vein that got shilled her and is actually apoloitical is probably Cyberfrog and i want to emphasize PROBABLY because nobody ever talks about it or shows anything of it (despite it being the best comic ever that btfos everything the big two does and has the power to reshape the industry) so there's no way to know.
Most of these homosexuals freely admit the quality of the product "isn't the point", it's just to demonstrate to Muh Big Two that it's worthwhile to pander to based boys and stop making books with homos and Black folk in them. Few will actually claim they like comicsgate product.
>and stop making books with homos and Black folk in them.
But this book literally has a black main character and is made by a black dude.
Come on m8, if you're going to make a strawman at least make one that makes sense.
>But this book literally has a black main character and is made by a black dude.
>look at this picture of a black guy ina Trump hat
>FRICKING BASED
See, this doesn't work on me because I'm also black anyways.
not him, but the tactic form there is just to be racist.
While I do agree with you and see your point, this won't be like for two main reasons (IMO). For starters there's transparency between the fans, Eric and Rippaverse. With Eric streaming and updating people through Social Media there's going to be some level of accountability for him not to frick up. Secondly, he's written a code of ethics for Rippaverse to basically remind himself of his dream, his goal, and his attempt to not be like the big 2 at all.
I will admit that this doesn't fully stop the possibility, but from what I've seen there's enough to "trust" the dude and his intentions.
Well these guys would be wrong. The idea is to make quality comics that can ALSO surpass the Big 2. It's not like he's gunning for Marvel or DC numbers, but by showing others this new comic series he'll slowly gain support and fans and the byproduct would being overtaking the two somehow. I sound like a fricking shill but I don't know why people don't look into things before spouting opinions or "facts".
NTA but they're clearly just trying to drum up rage or false points.
Picrel must be you in real
>With Eric streaming and updating people through Social Media there's going to be some level of accountability for him not to frick up
The problem is it's literally impossible for him to frick up. So long as *anything* comes out his audience is trained to bark like seals in defense of it. People are, in this very thread, already calling it a great comic and it's not even going to be in their hands for another month or two.
>Secondly, he's written a code of ethics for Rippaverse to basically remind himself of his dream, his goal, and his attempt to not be like the big 2 at all.
You mean like how google wrote a big list of does and don'ts and the first was "don't be evil"?
None of this is anything new and there's no actual consequence if he fails to keep his word.
these copes keep getting more bizarre
>don't be evil
Yeah, they dropped that.
>I will admit that this doesn't fully stop the possibility, but from what I've seen there's enough to "trust" the dude and his intentions.
He addressed the point of your post in the very next sentence, anon.
>He addressed the point of your post in the very next sentence, anon.
How so? By saying that his fans will hold him accountable? They're fans, by definition they're biased in his favor to do the exact opposite of that. Especially if they've got a cost sunken into his success.
No, the opposite.
Rippa could very well be a grifter, but he stands to lose if he doesn't deliver so he deserves the benefit of the doubt if nothing else.
Because the only thing better than cashing out a 700k payoff is a 1.4mil payoff, and what's better than that is a 2.1mil payoff etc etc.
It's in Rippa's best interest to deliver long term since his investment pays back dividends if he does.
I'm not dropping a penny until I see the product though. I'm no hopium huffing fan desperate to own the big two.
>I'm not dropping a penny until I see the product though.
Basically your whole post, but this especially. If it's shit its shit, if its actually good its good, but at least wait to read it.
>I'm no hopium huffing fan desperate to own the big two.
More people here need to realize and stop get one over the big two
Let me be clear I'm not saying the comics won't come out, I'm saying I don't believe his promises that they're going to be apolitical. There's nothing that mandates that except his own supposed code of ethics and his audience that's too busy calling everyone that asks questions a troony to notice if he fills his book with stuff they agree with anyway.
I'm the original anon. You're not actually making sense here? By your logic because I'm a fan of Marvel or DC I'm somehow biased enough to look at their works critically and judge it on its own merits? Regardless if they paid for a service, it wont mean they'll curb their responses, ESPECIALLY if its a fanbase that is very critical of the media they consoom or around them.
A) You're judging a person and their fanbase of the responses in Cinemaphile threads, why you would ever use Cinemaphile as proof of something that's not inherently Cinemaphile related is unknown to me
B) Yeah there's obvious shilling on both sides, there's nothing more that can be really said than people overhyping or overhating something
C) Does Google interact with their audience frequently? Do they (or rather it) stream or make videos where the interact and talk to their fans? Do they address their hates or fans on Twitter? This is the transparency I was talking about. There's a clear line of communication between the fans and the person or thing. Like I said before, this won't absolve the possibility, but it places enough credibility to give him and his people a fair chance
D) The only consequence is that people will stop supporting him through clicks and finances, if you're expecting something like his demise or cancellation then you're not being realistic here
>I'm the original anon. You're not actually making sense here? By your logic because I'm a fan of Marvel or DC I'm somehow biased enough to look at their works critically and judge it on its own merits? Regardless if they paid for a service, it wont mean they'll curb their responses, ESPECIALLY if its a fanbase that is very critical of the media they consoom or around them.
I think the point of contention is that we disagree as to what the product is. You're a fan of Marvel and DC, their product is comics, and if they make a bad comic you say so.
My argument is that in this scenario the product is social/political commentary and that a comic is secondary. I have a hard time believing that the only thing keeping this guy from writing overly political comics is his fans, that are supporting him because of his politics and are *already* attacking anyone that so much as questions his narrative before the book is even out, using political based insults. You're telling me if the books go ultra right wing these people are gonna say "whoa that's not what you promised"?
>I have a hard time believing that the only thing keeping this guy from writing overly political comics is his fans, that are supporting him because of his politics and are *already* attacking anyone that so much as questions his narrative before the book is even out, using political based insults.
>You're telling me if the books go ultra right wing these people are gonna say "whoa that's not what you promised"?
>his audience that's too busy calling everyone that asks questions a troony to notice if he fills his book with stuff they agree with anyway.
I don't think you know Eric and his fanbase as well as you think you do. This isn't true at all, if anything Eric and his fans laughs at people who act like this. You're either basing your info off of random things about him and guessing, or you're getting your info from some random source. Either way just wait and see it, there's no real point in arguing about this when we can literally wait and see what happens down the road
>I don't think you know Eric and his fanbase as well as you think you do.
This guy
is gonna make comics free totally of social/political commentary?
So you're going to use two thumbnails people posted here as your evidence of him being some Ultra Right dude who likes to scream at everything he dislikes?
>is gonna make comics free totally of social/political commentary?
No one said this, not even the man himself. He said that he wont BEAT YOU OVER THE HEAD with politics. If you thought I was saying he's not doing anything political, that's not what I'm saying. He just wont go overboard with this stuff is all.
As for your second video, that was about Gun Rights and someone's take which he found absurd on how to appropriately deal with firearms in America. I don't know why anon think that's fear mongering? As I said before it just sounds like your basing him and his fans from things like those tags and other questionable things aswell
>He said that he wont BEAT YOU OVER THE HEAD with politics
Because "They want you dead" is such a subtle sentiment.
Also let me again be clear, those aren't my posts, and I'd never even heard of this guy until saturday night when people started shilling for him *for entirely political reasons*. Let's stop pretending as if IDpol isn't the only reason anyone is talking about this guy. There are thousands of indie comics out there and dozens with kickstarters, it's no coincidence that THIS is the one getting all the attention, so spare me with trying to pretend otherwise.
And forgive me if I have a hard time believing that these same people that are only here for because of the man's politices, which they agree with, are going to be especially mad if he filled his works with his politics, that they agree with.
Also remember this isn't the first time we've done this song and dance where, to this day, people still insist stuff like My Hero MAGAdemia and Kamen America "aren't very political". But Batgirl having a trans roommate? That's the end of the fricking world. We can't possibly ignore that.
I was going to address each point, but it's pointless because you're unironically arguing based of stuff you heard or seen from others. So I'll just do this in bullet points.
1. Yes the guy gets political. He's not purely some /misc/ head who jumps at every mark to spout his political stuff. He doesn't like how Marvel and DC operates with the inclusion of socio-political commentary and decided to do his own thing
2. You know nothing about this man until a few days ago, and your only real knowledge is what people here say about here I assume?
3. People are talking about him because he actually did what he was going to AND he pulled in a bunch of money. All the threads today and yesterday were just about how much money he received in donations and the announcement of Isom #1. Not even to mention people think it's a scam or money laundering scheme
4. Did you even watch the video about his announcement? He clearly states what this stories about and what his company is about. If you're into his politics then these comics wont be for you mostly, because again he's not using comics to push his views on to others
>Also remember this isn't the first time we've done this song and dance where, to this day, people still insist stuff like My Hero MAGAdemia and Kamen America "aren't very political". But Batgirl having a trans roommate? That's the end of the fricking world. We can't possibly ignore that.
The book isn't even fricking here. There's nothing to go on but what was shown by HIM. You're bringing up stuff that doesn't matter here. From what you said here, all you have is things OTHERS have said and stuff in the past. You don't have an argument or point, you're just telling me things you think or suspect about him and things like this in the past. That's fine and all, but then its weird how we get here
At the very least you were civil enough to hold discussion with, but its clear we're not going to agree on this matter or see each other's POV
No it isn't anything super in-depth. It's just some guy who streams and likes to talk about comics and politics. If you're going to run so far with a title of a YouTube video then there's more things at work than this one guy's video. Watch the videos and make your own assessment, other than that you're basing things off of thumbnails and titles on fricking YouTube
And he’s clearly a right wingers whose content revolves heavily around complaining about woke shit. So when he’s going to make a comic, you can make an educated guess what type of comic it will be because this is not the first time a conservative youtuber whining about sjws has made a crowdfunding campaign for indy comic and we all know how that went.
You don’t need to watch his videos to get an idea what his perspective is unless you want to double down on the notion he’s just pretending to be conservative outrage farmer by doing clickbait video titles for some reason.
You don't need to make a guess if you actually WATCH his announcement video about what Isom was. This is just you going off of what you want to believe which is fine, but realize it makes you look idiotic when your points only amount to guesses, assumptions, and what other people do.
>You don’t need to watch his videos to get an idea what his perspective is unless you want to double down on the notion he’s just pretending to be conservative outrage farmer by doing clickbait video titles for some reason.
This is what you believe, I never said this at all, there's no need to double down on purposeful paraphrasing and lies
>But he made an announcement video!
So what, announcement videos are all hype and generic statements. Only a gullible moron thinks that proves anything.
>admittedly hasn't seen the video
Only a true idiot would spend time arguing about something without actually looking into it. The video gives a small explanation about the main character, the main plot, the villain and a bit of world building. You don't actually care about looking into this, you just want to feel right and justified. It's funny how people like you are the ones who are unironically pushing this comicsgate shit on to this.
>So when he’s going to make a comic, you can make an educated guess what type of comic it will be because this is not the first time a conservative youtuber whining about sjws has made a crowdfunding campaign for indy comic and we all know how that went.
That's exactly it, people here who went through the CG drama years ago already know what's in store because we've seen it already, multiple times, and they all hit the same beats this blatant astroturfing campaign has gone through. It will be the same thing once the smoke clears and the initial "hype" is over, it will be forgotten past the initial release, most of the people who bought into it will quietly drop it and hope that others have the same goldfish brain and won't remember how they shilled for it, and nothing in the industry will change for the better. Personally, I'm just waiting for the next wave to hit, it's just a matter of figuring out which one it will be to stake the claim to shift and change the industry with something "never seen before" or to "bring it back to the good old days." These kinds of threads need to be archived just to be brought up again when it happens.
Personally, I'm hoping his shit will actually break through and be good SoP material. Ideally in time for Weekend of Pain.
I'm certain that's what most people here are waiting for once it's inevitably ripped. I haven't been disappointed with the other SoP threads so far.
The problem is all your bullet points just boil down to "dude trust him" and there's no actual reason to. Even if I were to agree that going extra anti-sjw political isn't somehow in his best interest (when from his body of existing work and commentary it seems to be his bread and butter), it *is* clearly what his audience is there for, so why should I believe that audience would be a strong check *against* going ham on the politics?
They indeed do want you dead. They'll simply settle for your submission
His entire youtube channel is full of similar type of video titles. Or are you going to argue it’s all just clickbait and the actual content is super in-depth examination of issues layered with persuasive and nuanced takes?
>why are some of you guys accusing a black guy writting a comic about a black superhero alt right?
Direction-brained Americans have a habit of labeling anyone who's not on their side as [other side but worse].
So liberal Americans call conservatives alt-right, while conservative Americans call liberals communists.
It's just more typical American shit, pay it no mind.
>8 thousand people purchased the book
So, it's probably going to end up above 20k by the campaign deadline.
There's been very little advertisement so far.
I'm getting deja vu.
2022 internet
>Zoomer OP posts some frickface homie noone knows and noone cares about
>for some reason tries to make others jealous about some frickface homie, a thread just made to piss people off
>Zoomers jump on it like flies on Gadgets.
>Zoomers argue with Zoomers about absolute fricking nonsense for 329.
Even if I knew what that shit is about, I wouldn't understand its relevance. Are you discussing some guy who kickstarted a comic which noone will fricking buy so it will fail, but you're proud that he scammed you out of your money...?
If you hate money so much, send it to me then?
2022
>fake-boomer seethe n' copin'
>noone will fricking buy so it will fail
>but you're proud that he scammed you out of your money
Well which one is it, you dumbass troony?
wtf I just entered a thread about something I don't care about and got mad while insulting everyone else??? how could this happen???????
>$810,134.89
>Total Revenue
>8,158
>Total Purchasers
>spending on average $100 a piece to own ~~*the left*~~
the implication that I see is that non-leftoids actually have plenty of disposable income and major corps were stupid to stop pandering to them
ya got me, homosexual. I only spend money on shit I actually enjoy, and not amateurish homosexualry to prove a political point. Bested by the based boys again!
Leftsisters, why don't we buy the Big Two comics we infiltrated and made pander exclusively to us...
on average $100 a piece to own ~~*the left*~~
Not going to spend any money on it, but I look forward to the storytime/leak. Art seems decent, and the premise is pretty cool.
>Super gets tired of the hero life and decides to settle down and live outside of the larger cities where most supervillainy occurs, but a meeting with an old friend ends up trying to drag him back into the life he still hates.
If it ends up being good, I might pick up the next.
I just read it and wow.
It was definitely a comic.
it's rippin' through time and space
woke is making a characters character solely based on their race, gender or LGTBRAAAP instead of writing them like you would a white male character. Im white and there is no problem with black or any other type of race of character. As long as they don't shove a message down your throat, its not woke. I'll be buying one of these because Eric is based as frick.
>instead of writing them like you would a white male character.
Minorities are different from whites and women are different from men. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging this and writing a woman like a woman or a black man like a black man. The problem comes with stereotyping (positively or negatively). If you're going to avoid stereotyping by avoiding the difference entirely then just write a white guy.
Right, because all white guys act the same. Numpty.
Alright, I just watched like 2 of his videos, bro is just an SJW stereotype just for the other side is where he's overly sensitive and has to have an opinion on everything and his rap is New York subway street performer tier.
5/10 made me give him a penny from ad revenue
explain this with a meme that didn't expire a month after it was made, preferably a food analogy
So can't wait for discussion of this to die out just like that frog comic.
>Here's a guy that Cinemaphile is hyping up because of solely because of his politics, that has made a name for himself because of those politics, is getting tons of money because of those politics, has an audience bcause of his politics, but his politics won't be a significant part of his comic. Yes, he's got a channel of outrage clickbait, but he's going to turn it off *this time* because, despite probably being able to make even more money by doubling down on the culture wars, he said he's not going to. Yes, you've seen this exact same pitch and campaign play out a half dozen times, but this time is different because he promised. Those last guys promised too, but this is different. He said it would be.
>No you don't get it. He PROMISED his culture warrior audience that gives him thousands of dollars to stoke culture wars that this won't have anything to do with culture wars. They're going to hold him to that promise.
Even if I could swallow everything else this is the part that loses me. Why the frick would his audience even want to? That's what they're there for!
My dude, there's over eight thousand comic book projects on kickstarter alone and none of them are getting this amount of attention. The only thing special about the rippaverse *is* the politics of its creator, and yet I'm in the wrong for thinking the sole distinction might turn out to be a distinct feature, based solely on the creator's pinky swear in a video?
>But he said other stuff about the characters!
You're still asking for us to trust someone based on their word rather than an orgy of evidence and historical precedent to the contrary.
>there's over eight thousand comic book projects on kickstarter alone
Well here's the difference. Rippaverse comics are finished. They are done already. They are available for purchase. For, PURCHASE. This is not a crowdfund. The product is already finished.
Yeah so why is he running a funding campaign rather than just having a storefront?
He's not. All those products on Kickstarter look really cool. But pretty much all of them, bar some, don't even have a tangible product.
The trading cards look cool, but I'm not paying 100 for that shit.
I still respect that he's trying to make something happen. We'll see in August though. There's no way this doesn't get scan ripped for free.
>There's no way this doesn't get scan ripped for free
Oh anon we all know this will 100% land on readcomiconline.li just like every other existing comic.
It's money laundering, you moron. Some guy who gets only 50K per video makes this much in a day? You're shilling a scam.
>all this talk of outrage clickbait
It's not clickbait when it's true. "Leftists" aren't subtle (anymore) in how they feel about the "Right" and the measures they'll use to undermine it.
Reddit is actively banning discussion of rippaverse, isom and anything concerning it. Why are people trying to censor and obfuscate the product of a hard working black man? Why do they get off on keeping us down?
We are going to win
More like the user (whose username you hid so people can't look him up) was a frequent poster on anti-sjw subs and had never once interacted with r/comicbooks posted this and a curiosity glance at the post history tells you that the guy was never there to actually have discussion and just wanted to rile shit up.
Hoes big fricking mad
Finally a book I can see myself
Rippaverse on page 1
>comicsgate scam
>everything I don't like is a scam!
Let me guess. At most, 5 or 6 morons paid money but Eric's making the numbers up? Prove me wrong.
Heather not editing this book. yeah it's not gonna make it past 3 issues
If there's no storytime, the comic doesn't exist.
I hate women and homosexuals.
What the frick is wrong with this board?
I'm not sure if this place if filled with lgbt trannies letftoids or many of you are beyond moronic with the
>This is /misc/ REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
1. Envy from people who want to be comic book writers but lack the talent, agency, and basic work ethic.
2. These are type of people who care more about pushing THE MESSAGE than making a fun comic book and they rightfully recognize a fun comic book is a threat to their ability to push THE MESSAGE to the very small number of adults who would be caught reading a comic book in public.
2a. The personal is political to these people and because politics is their religion (an attitude inculcated in them by a lifetime of indoctrination), they take the seeming success of a comic book that doesn't explicitly advertise itself as a piece of political propaganda as a personal insult. It's a refutation to all their bullshit.