>it took Hazbin Hotel for normies to finally recognize the problems plaguing modern animation

>it took Hazbin Hotel for normies to finally recognize the problems plaguing modern animation
Now if only more people would realize this also applies to every brown dyke loreshit cartoon they lap up

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because it’s stylish?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think that post isn't levying a criticism of it being stylish per say.

      I take it to mean the aesthetic (both visually and thematically) seems hyper self-aware. The creator has almost too strong of an understanding of what the target audience wants to the point that it feels less about the creators own vision and more like an attempt to appeal to the audience.

      Obviously Viv is part of the target demo so she has an intuitive understanding of what her audience wants, but she's so keyed in on it that what little personal vision she has comes off as just choice by committee for her target demographic. I think it's a fair criticism personally.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I take it to mean the aesthetic (both visually and thematically) seems hyper self-aware. The creator has almost too strong of an understanding of what the target audience wants to the point that it feels less about the creators own vision and more like an attempt to appeal to the audience.

        That's the exact fricking opposite of the problem with shit recently though. Shit like NuShe-Ra and Steven Universe were 100% self-satisfied wankfests for the creators where any critique became an attack on them because the show only existed to please them and that was the only standard it was held to, with other people liking it only being important as a form of affirmation and gratification that was incidental.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That twittergay is wrong the ultimate example is Owl House and She-ra

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Owl House has more substance than most original western animation in the last decade 10+, including feature animation, and even a lot of adapted animation though

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        First season is one of the worst TVA products I've ever seen
        It exists for nothing outside trying to bait online audiences with a lesbian couple. Very unfunny, half-assed plots that lead nowhere and not contained

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >First season is one of the worst TVA products I've ever seen

          You've only watched one cartoon ever, haven't you?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            HH Is mediocre slop from a fake underdog.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Dude that has nothing to do with what he said. Why are Viv haters so illiterate goddamn

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I’m saying nothing that Goose can do with Jax’s character will stop people from slobbering over him

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What are you talking about?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm talking about the moron making a pointless non-sequitur about Hazbin in a conversation that was about Disney TV animation

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Vivzie haters lost, the show is great. The sooner you come to peace with it, the better your life will be.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous
  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ultimate example
    TADC has one episode and already has an entire fandom. Almost enough of a fandom to form a matpat

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Somehow misunderstood the post
      >Referencing MatPat
      You need to be over 18 to post here

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There are two things that give me hope:

      >Goose more than agrees that the fandom is too big.
      >Goose is sticking to the original plan for the show, which is to keep it to one season and make it hurt folks who latch onto "bad boy" Tumblr sexymen like Jax and say "I can fix him", for Jax being an irredeemable piece of shit is precisely why he is Goose's favorite character.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There is no irredeemable piece of shit character without a dedicated fandom. Look at real-life serial killers and their dedicated shitbrained fans. There’s someone on Twitter who draws femboy bunny porn of Adolf Hitler.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >There’s someone on Twitter who draws femboy bunny porn of Adolf Hitler.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You know I'll probably regret asking, but what's their username?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Almost enough of a fandom to form a matpat
      ???

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Almost enough of a fandom to form a matpat
      What the frick does this mean?
      Like it's popular enough to just conceive an e-celeb?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm really not sure why said fandom wants to make the circus into a happy place when it's pretty obviously misery porn..... well suffering porn i guess and watching Pomni suffer was great in the first episode.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I haven't seen this thing, but allow me to give you my opinion on it and make a broad assumption while doing it

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Despite not watching it, they were still correct. Really makes you think

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But.... they weren't. Why are you lying, plastic man?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          they were

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I questioned the episode in which Angel is shown being sexually exploited being so over the top that it felt like an excuse to fetishize his exploitation, then later found out one of the storyboard artists is a rape fetishist who drew comics and made unofficial animatics in which Angel gets raped by the very character who exploits him in the show— made three years before the episode aired— and the episode actually features near-verbatim dialogue from their comics. -Possum Reviews

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, angel is very rapeable. Wouldnt want to rape him?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        [...]

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Semi-related but why does this show on one hand try to take male rape seriously through Angel, then a couple episodes later make a male rape joke with Sir Pentious? Is it supposed to be funny or not funny?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Pentious isn't getting raped though, he verbally consented

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He does not seem overly enthusiastic about it

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >literally being dragged into a dark room against his will
          Obviously being raped

          Angel, though male, is obviously portrayed like an extremely effeminate bottom-gay femboy. He’s basically a sassy woman, but with a dick. Thus it becomes “tragic” when he’s sexed without consent, because buttrape is sad when it happens to a girl.
          Pentious, though a defanged weak and extremely non-threatening betamale, is portrayed as straight and seeking the attention of a woman. Because he’s a straight man it’s funny when he gets buttraped, because that is funny.

          You’re probably right. Angel Dust doesn’t even really seem like a male character. The way all characters talk about him they seem to imply he’s a chick. If they didn’t use male pronouns I would think he was a chick character. So even though he’s technically male he’s really a female character and that’s why it’s bad for him. Pentious though, normal male character so suddenly it’s funny.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >. Angel Dust doesn’t even really seem like a male character
            I had a normie friend ask me what his gender was when they started watching it. I could only confidently reply because of Akastor calling himnan effeminate fellow in the pilot

            Genuinely. Why is lack of perspective and expertise presented as a plus when it comes to credibility now? I keep seeing this shit.
            >"I'm not into ______ but I think..."
            Where did this come from?
            Are people assuming a neutral perspective is more important than knowing what the frick you are talking about?

            Because if they're wrong, they can pull the "I'm not dumb, I just didn't watch", and if they're right they can tell themselves they're sooooo smart since they nailed the criticism without watching

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Angel, though male, is obviously portrayed like an extremely effeminate bottom-gay femboy. He’s basically a sassy woman, but with a dick. Thus it becomes “tragic” when he’s sexed without consent, because buttrape is sad when it happens to a girl.
        Pentious, though a defanged weak and extremely non-threatening betamale, is portrayed as straight and seeking the attention of a woman. Because he’s a straight man it’s funny when he gets buttraped, because that is funny.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Did Dr. Shaym, I meanPossum Reviews do a video on that or is it more Twitter shit.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He did some posts going episode by episode and what Is wrong with them.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Its a problem that it has fans.

    You are straight up saying you see people liking cartoons as a problem. Leave. Go to the Cinemaphile containment board with the other crabs seeking company in their misery.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This show ain’t bad, the hatred on this feels very forced

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sure troony

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I don't mind them coming here, they're
    Christians too, after all.
    Thanks Reagan.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    guy

    There are many thousands of people protesting Vivzie's creative choices. She has a definite vision, not just farming it out to social media

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The entire premise boils down to “do tumblr porn addicts and sinful scumbags deserve redemption from on high for jerking it to heinous bullshit?”
      and even vivzie subconsciously admits to the audience “probably not really”. the only person that actually redeemed himself was sir pentious and he earned that by sacrificing himself for his friends.
      think about it.
      Of all the people in that shitty hotel the only one to make it to heaven was the goofball moron who just wanted to cosplay being a supervillain in hell.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I agree with that, It is totally the opposite example of what the horse show was with their organic grow fandom

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the problems plaguing modern animation

    Such as?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Exactly what the tweet in the OP pic described, learn to read you moron

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fat "bisexual" women.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fat “bisexual” “Latino” (read: white) women

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is an extremely online criticism to make, not "normie" at all
    Au contraire, I know multiple normalgays IRL who have watched this show and like it

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Rangsisters, our response???

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Sing a Longs

      Frick me that's still a concept?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Proof that fujos give you lots of money

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Show actually delivers on giving an audience something they want
    >This is a bad thing
    You're a fricking idiot if you think ANY show isn't made with having a fandom in mind. That's how money gets made.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Show actually delivers on giving an audience something they want
      kek. lol. lmao even.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    oh

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You can see this in every genre that pops up. FNAF spawned a frickload of clones and people trying to ape it's success. Same thing with the original Hazbin and Digital Circus. Anything that gets popular will have it's baseness turned into a formula to remake and reuse for instant success.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What does this have to do with what the tweet said

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    finally a twittergay is right sinc the fricking pilot this fandoim as that big as mlp but of course they only care about shippinghomosexualry

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >exists in order to have a fandom
    This is a Cinemaphile tier opinion. It's uselessly cynical and would never be applied fairly to anything else. Sports teams are meant to have fandoms this is the dumbest shit ever. It's one of those opinions you just sort of have to "get" because they can't really be explained beyond "you have to be so moronic, you're a piece of shit about it".

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is a completely nonsensical complain.
    this is has been a standard model since the 80's and this hasn't prevented to produce good shows.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I get what Twitter User is saying, but I don't think there's anything wrong with including fandom bait, especially because that really only works if the media itself is worthy of gathering fans. If people like your characters so much that they fantasize about meeting them, draw art of them, or just generally fall in love with them, you've created a good character. If people eagerly await new episodes, discuss the series with friends and internet communities, and write their own fanfiction, you've created a good story.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Remember when people were ridiculed for having an opinion, a negative one at that, about something they haven't even seen?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's because "I literally don't care, stop mentioning it to me" doesn't work when your info comes from an algorithm.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That post about it seeming like the terrible fanfiction of a real series was dead on.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't get it, does this guy think all shows should just be consumed and forgotten?
    Or does he mean people who participate in the fandom without watching the show?

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Even if all that's true, here's the thing: It's still a creator playing in her own sandbox with her own toys than in someone else's sandbox with their toys. Compare Hazbin to say MLP G5, where despite a good first outing, devolved into every Netflix kidslop cartoon ever while still wanting to play in Lauren Faust's sandbox. Or look at She-ra/He-man, which do the same with their respective properties.

    At least with Hazbin if you don't like it you don't have to watch it, or worse watch something you once loved get ruined by dipshits who don't understand it and/or try to make it about [current year] issues.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This show is all just middle-aged queers going to nightclubs. Where are the other locations, Where are the e-girls in hell, and Why are they not having sex with them?

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What the frick does that even mean?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It exists to be a thing that people make fanfics and art about, and having shipping wars over, instead of an actual show you're meant to enjoy. I don't agree but that's what he means.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Holy shit, twitter is more moronic than I thought. Nobody makes a show for that reason.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Twitter is always moronic. But usually they can fall back on other stuff attack. Now they're seething because shit they disliked was a blowing success and they can't even say shit like "muh lack of representation"

          Every show dreams of getting an engaged fansom to sustain it, it's not an insult or weird to say a show worked towards that

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well yeah, the ignorant frick admits that he hasn't watched it at all

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    At the end of day, Hazbin Hotel is meh. Even ignoring the controversies like the Angel Dust rape scene, or anons thinking Vivziepop is secretly based because off all the LGBT+ in hell, or the anti-christian implications and soccer moms.
    Vivziepop is yet another anti authority "indie" artist that sold out to the man, becoming the very thing she swore to destroy, and Cinemaphile burned through it's excitement after the finale dropped. Cinemaphile will move onto the next indie cartoon like Murder Drones or the next episode of TADC when they come out until season 2 next year.

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    It worked so well with normies because it was short and had a simple premise

    But there's little info to discuss now, and anyone who knows about vivz doesn't trust any of the writing to pay off, and so anything strange plotwise is deemed "plothole" without trying to discuss other possibilities

    Even the leaks we have are so old no one wants to discuss them. An anon tried the other day but it's pointless since it's more likely scrapped shit

    So yeah, there's not much to discuss, because no one trusts the writing to be good enough for that. But there are tons if fanart and fics being made everyday, and bootleg merch. Frick, catalastor has so much unofficial merch its hilarious

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Name a better looking adult animated series right now that isn't Primal or Arcane. You cannot. Hazbin is the third best looking show, and you're going to complain about it?

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A TV show wants fans? Say it ain’t so

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >exists in order to be a fandom rather than to be a (insert product medium)
    Not here to defend Hazbin Hotel, I think it looks like the regurgitation of the worst type of 00's Hot Topic denizen.
    But that Twitter comment can be applied to most series with primarily fembrained fanbases. Which is a lot of the more audible fanbases of today.

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So they key to successful animation is just... Tumblr sexymen?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And a token female self-insert

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Short season, basic plot that is easily accessible, diverse and large cast so that everyone has their faves and... be in a niche with little to no competition at the moment

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's the key to online engagement at least.

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I haven't seen a second of it
    >BUT

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I have a strong opinion about this thing
    >Haven't seen a second of it tho
    Kiss my ass.

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Genuinely. Why is lack of perspective and expertise presented as a plus when it comes to credibility now? I keep seeing this shit.
    >"I'm not into ______ but I think..."
    Where did this come from?
    Are people assuming a neutral perspective is more important than knowing what the frick you are talking about?

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what kind of good tv show DOESN'T have a fandom around it?

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the character design looks like it's modeled after vomit and poop being mixed around.

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How does this implies to Smilling Friends. Could it qualify as a TV show too?

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Twittertard discovers that an internet animation attracts a big fanbase. I bet a TADC fan made that tweet, and I can’t wait when TADC somehow becomes controversial

  40. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Vivzi was only good for animation as far as she proved the average team and creator can tell the industry to go frick itself, and you can make shows on your own

    That said, that's about all she was good for because the shows she has made are medicore at best, and shit at worst. BUT they are her shitty mediocre shows

  41. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    To this day I don't know what "loreshit" is besides a general "this show has an serialized story"

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