>pointing out that a different meaning of the word fits the situation means that you don't understand the intended meaning
acquire theory of mind
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>being intellectually dishonest and finding a different meaning of the word in order to avoid precise criticism is definitely not a pathetic deflection coping device
Ok, I'll concede that your last response is valid
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I concede that I suffer from autism
I will pray for your recovery.
I just think Firefly deserves praise for its impact on popular culture. Things that I'm pretty sure Firefly influenced >Guardians of the Galaxy >Mass Effect >Uncharted (the main character looks like Nathan Fillion)
Speaking of GOTG, Nathan Fillion even cameos in part 3, which makes it even more obvious that the show influenced those movies.
It's like a woman being obsessed with an ex who died when they were 6 months into the relationship versus her husband of 30 years. You never got to see the mediocre third season or the awful 4th season so all you some viewers can imagine is another 4 seasons of great episodes. Imagine if BSG or Lost or Dexter were cancelled after one season? People would have been obsessed with those the same way. Very few series stay consistently good.
If the later seasons of a show aren't good, you can always drop a show at any time. I've done that a lot. I did it with Supernatural, The Walking Dead, and so on. A person's memory of a show is a choice, and you should just stop watching if it's not good.
You missed my point. With a cancelled show you can imagine and speculate that it would have gone on to greater heights and been consistently good.
With a show that dropped off in quality you can't. Sure you have the good seasons, but you don't have the speculation that drove people to talk about Firefly for over a decade.
Like with Star Wars, I can watch the OT, but I'm not interested in any of the Disney slop set in between that and the ST. There's no speculation or hope there. I know exactly where the story ends up and it's shit.
>It maybe might have one day eventually gotten bad, perhaps >Just because everything that was released ranged from good to great doesn't mean it was good
Holy cope, seems like any criticism of Firefly is just contrarian homosexuals inventing lazy fifteenth seasons in their heads or just pivoting to b***hing about Whedon himself.
It wasn't very good but the fans are keeping up hope that if it continues it would've "reached its potential". You're really missing what that anon is saying. First season of Supernatural is better than first season of Firefly but you eventually know where Supernatural ends at and it's not good but you can still imagine a world where Firefly went on to get better and better and had a perfect ending.
>It wasn't very good but the fans are keeping up hope that if it continues it would've "reached its potential".
Fans loved what they got, and nobody here is speculating about the show's future except gays like you insisting everything will always turn into zombie Simpsons. >First season of Supernatural is better than first season of Firefly
Ok now you're just trolling. There was no racist truck episode of Firefly; there was no bugs episode of Firefly; there was no "mystery demon killed my mom and waifu" episode of Firefly.
>nobody here is speculating about the show's future
Yes, because the show was cancelled 21 years ago and Serenity came out 19 years ago. There was plenty of speculation in forums back then and that's what drove a lot of the show's impact in that decade.
People were hopeful for a while that it would get uncanceled (remember Jericho lol) and get that second season. I don't know why you're being so obtuse.
It wasn't very good but the fans are keeping up hope that if it continues it would've "reached its potential". You're really missing what that anon is saying. First season of Supernatural is better than first season of Firefly but you eventually know where Supernatural ends at and it's not good but you can still imagine a world where Firefly went on to get better and better and had a perfect ending.
I think Firefly was good for the time, but it's aged poorly. Supernatural had the benefit of the show getting better over the first few seasons, but then after 5 it gets worse and worse. Always sucks to see a show end up with more bad than good seasons.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>There was plenty of speculation in forums back then
That's not what this thread is about, don't live two decades in the past while calling ME obtuse >Firefly was good for the time, but it's aged poorly.
I disagree. The characters are still endearing and quotable, the special effects are better than most shit that comes out now, and the concept of an authoritarian government messing with people who are just trying to live their lives while refusing to deal with or even acknowledge violent savages (who are the government's fault) is actually pretty damn prescient in hindsight.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I was replying to
>one season >remembered forever
That usually means it's good.
saying that if a show has one season and is remembered forever, then that's evidence of it being good.
The show was actually good for its time, but it had an outsized impact and legacy because of the cancellation and the subsequent internet discussion about it. If the show had been made in 1993 then it wouldn't have had a decade+ of impact because there was barely any way for fans to mass communicate about it and spam it everywhere. It would have been forgotten about by 1995. If you disagree then you weren't there. >authoritarian government bother common man and hides it's own failures
Truly pushing the envelope of what Science Fiction can be about.
>Captain fights against an overbearing tyrannical government >loses >Tries to live his life and just wants to be left alone >Everyone keeps reminding him of the war he lost
He's the original chud
How do you know the fanboys? I watched the show and enjoyed it one of the few shows I go back and watch every so often. I never understand how other people who watch a show effect it in any way and where it is you go to see these people.
It's not Reddit, and I remember what it was like. It was just Guardians of the Galaxy without the gay music. That means on a scale from Mein Kampf to Everything Everywhere All At Once, it's somewhere in the middle.
There are a ton of streaming shows with money behind them that just appear and disappear now with no marketing and no home release. Something like Firefly could never exist now the way the streaming services eat each other. I use the Nevers as an example because it's another Whedon show like Firefly and it only got to air half its season on tv.
It also had an HBO budget behind it, but after Whedon got cancelled Zazlav used it as a tax write-off almost immediately. Absolutely brutal display of how television has changed over the last twenty years
There weren't really any "good" guys, which is why Mal and his gang are fricking criminals. It was just an example of the age old struggle between authoritarians and people who want to be left the frick alone.
>Cool browncoat rebels that fight valiantly in the face of defeat >Faceless federal state involved in clandestine human experimentation on top of being heavily corrupt in general
Definetly a case of both sides bad, thank you media literacy anon
Most of the episodes were meh but there wasn't much good scifi back then and nothing with that aesthetic so we appreciated it. It hasn't held up with time.
I liked The Expanse better. It had better space stuff. Firefly had a better variety of planets and settlers though, but of course every planet was breathable and habitable. I like the concept of just having one 'small' star system and taking agaes to travel between the various planets and moons. In contrast to say a galaxy where it takes only hours to get to dozens of different systems and it big distances seem trivial
Saying things are overrated isn't a personality
OP BTFO
Okay, what's your favorite season then? And don't say 1.
Saying things aren't a personality isn't a personality.
A response to a projection of a personality isn't an attempt at a projection of a personality
>projection
yep
You're on the internet, dumbfrick. The only way to present a personality is to project it. Learn how to use language.
>pointing out that a different meaning of the word fits the situation means that you don't understand the intended meaning
acquire theory of mind
>being intellectually dishonest and finding a different meaning of the word in order to avoid precise criticism is definitely not a pathetic deflection coping device
Ok, I'll concede that your last response is valid
>I concede that I suffer from autism
I will pray for your recovery.
how about you just talk about the things you love, buddy
Lnfao OP eternally BTFO
I agree. It is enjoyable but not so great that there should be the reddit uproar that there is. Its decent though.
Yes, it was
>one season
>remembered forever
That usually means it's good.
i dont remember anything that happens in it except the dude with the orange beanie and morena baccarin being a prostitute
I just think Firefly deserves praise for its impact on popular culture. Things that I'm pretty sure Firefly influenced
>Guardians of the Galaxy
>Mass Effect
>Uncharted (the main character looks like Nathan Fillion)
Speaking of GOTG, Nathan Fillion even cameos in part 3, which makes it even more obvious that the show influenced those movies.
Fillion is in GOTG 1 as well
you don't remember christina hendricks and her giant breasts?
Hot damn
?
You don't remember the Hero of Canton?
It's like a woman being obsessed with an ex who died when they were 6 months into the relationship versus her husband of 30 years. You never got to see the mediocre third season or the awful 4th season so all you some viewers can imagine is another 4 seasons of great episodes. Imagine if BSG or Lost or Dexter were cancelled after one season? People would have been obsessed with those the same way. Very few series stay consistently good.
If the later seasons of a show aren't good, you can always drop a show at any time. I've done that a lot. I did it with Supernatural, The Walking Dead, and so on. A person's memory of a show is a choice, and you should just stop watching if it's not good.
You missed my point. With a cancelled show you can imagine and speculate that it would have gone on to greater heights and been consistently good.
With a show that dropped off in quality you can't. Sure you have the good seasons, but you don't have the speculation that drove people to talk about Firefly for over a decade.
Like with Star Wars, I can watch the OT, but I'm not interested in any of the Disney slop set in between that and the ST. There's no speculation or hope there. I know exactly where the story ends up and it's shit.
>It maybe might have one day eventually gotten bad, perhaps
>Just because everything that was released ranged from good to great doesn't mean it was good
Holy cope, seems like any criticism of Firefly is just contrarian homosexuals inventing lazy fifteenth seasons in their heads or just pivoting to b***hing about Whedon himself.
It wasn't very good but the fans are keeping up hope that if it continues it would've "reached its potential". You're really missing what that anon is saying. First season of Supernatural is better than first season of Firefly but you eventually know where Supernatural ends at and it's not good but you can still imagine a world where Firefly went on to get better and better and had a perfect ending.
>It wasn't very good but the fans are keeping up hope that if it continues it would've "reached its potential".
Fans loved what they got, and nobody here is speculating about the show's future except gays like you insisting everything will always turn into zombie Simpsons.
>First season of Supernatural is better than first season of Firefly
Ok now you're just trolling. There was no racist truck episode of Firefly; there was no bugs episode of Firefly; there was no "mystery demon killed my mom and waifu" episode of Firefly.
>nobody here is speculating about the show's future
Yes, because the show was cancelled 21 years ago and Serenity came out 19 years ago. There was plenty of speculation in forums back then and that's what drove a lot of the show's impact in that decade.
People were hopeful for a while that it would get uncanceled (remember Jericho lol) and get that second season. I don't know why you're being so obtuse.
I think Firefly was good for the time, but it's aged poorly. Supernatural had the benefit of the show getting better over the first few seasons, but then after 5 it gets worse and worse. Always sucks to see a show end up with more bad than good seasons.
>There was plenty of speculation in forums back then
That's not what this thread is about, don't live two decades in the past while calling ME obtuse
>Firefly was good for the time, but it's aged poorly.
I disagree. The characters are still endearing and quotable, the special effects are better than most shit that comes out now, and the concept of an authoritarian government messing with people who are just trying to live their lives while refusing to deal with or even acknowledge violent savages (who are the government's fault) is actually pretty damn prescient in hindsight.
I was replying to
saying that if a show has one season and is remembered forever, then that's evidence of it being good.
The show was actually good for its time, but it had an outsized impact and legacy because of the cancellation and the subsequent internet discussion about it. If the show had been made in 1993 then it wouldn't have had a decade+ of impact because there was barely any way for fans to mass communicate about it and spam it everywhere. It would have been forgotten about by 1995. If you disagree then you weren't there.
>authoritarian government bother common man and hides it's own failures
Truly pushing the envelope of what Science Fiction can be about.
Now you're just being contrarian.
I liked it, still do, don't care how much zoomers seethe over Joss ruining their precious capeshit
Never bothered with it since anything that has fanboys as annoying as Fireflys is usually ultra reddit and shit
saying things are reddit isn't a personality
>Take these dubs
>Take this ban
>Take me where I cannot stand
>I don't care, I'm still free
>You're not even paid, Janny
>Captain fights against an overbearing tyrannical government
>loses
>Tries to live his life and just wants to be left alone
>Everyone keeps reminding him of the war he lost
He's the original chud
How do you know the fanboys? I watched the show and enjoyed it one of the few shows I go back and watch every so often. I never understand how other people who watch a show effect it in any way and where it is you go to see these people.
I thought it was the best shit ever as a dumb teenager which probably means it's peak reddit.
It's not Reddit, and I remember what it was like. It was just Guardians of the Galaxy without the gay music. That means on a scale from Mein Kampf to Everything Everywhere All At Once, it's somewhere in the middle.
>Mein Kampf
>not Ride the Tiger
Shamefru dispray
>It was just Guardians of the Galaxy
So... peak reddit.
That only means that you at best used to be a redditor. Chances are you still are.
It just didn't get enough seasons to turn to shit. Just watch Serenity to see what Joss would eventually have turned it into
Serenity, drawn out over 2 - 3 season with a few tweaks here and there, would have been fricking fantastic.
>12 episodes
>Literally unable to watch the whole show without pirating
We used to think shows like firefly were treated badly despite being able to succeed on home video and streaming. This shit is just sad.
When the frick did this happen lol?
There are a ton of streaming shows with money behind them that just appear and disappear now with no marketing and no home release. Something like Firefly could never exist now the way the streaming services eat each other. I use the Nevers as an example because it's another Whedon show like Firefly and it only got to air half its season on tv.
It also had an HBO budget behind it, but after Whedon got cancelled Zazlav used it as a tax write-off almost immediately. Absolutely brutal display of how television has changed over the last twenty years
>don't know these folks don't much care to
It's a 10/10 for her alone.
is it true that she's a massive prostitute who sleeps with frickbois?
In the show she either is or at least it's heavily implied. Sadly I don't live in the show.
Nah I meant irl. I'm sure I read that she's slept with some of her fans.
She's bogged now anyway so who cares.
holy crap that is sad
yeah if I would've watched firefly when it came out and knew that I would've bought a ticket to the US asap
she didn't look as good in Serenity, I liked her slightly puffy cheeks but now she really isn't frickable anymore
MPDG character
Really just a BPD idiot savant.
The opening scene with her bend over engine getting railed was pretty good.
>space-confederacy browncoats are the good guys
What was Joss thinking with his one?
There weren't really any "good" guys, which is why Mal and his gang are fricking criminals. It was just an example of the age old struggle between authoritarians and people who want to be left the frick alone.
>Cool browncoat rebels that fight valiantly in the face of defeat
>Faceless federal state involved in clandestine human experimentation on top of being heavily corrupt in general
Definetly a case of both sides bad, thank you media literacy anon
Peak morena baccarin
reddit show
>It wasn't that good.
but it was good enough
Most of the episodes were meh but there wasn't much good scifi back then and nothing with that aesthetic so we appreciated it. It hasn't held up with time.
I had a thing for Gina Torres at the time. It also helps that she voiced SuperWoman in the Justice League: Crisis on Infinite Earths.
Zoe/Wash gave me a pretty persistent WMBF thing, I think because they were the only happily married couple on any of the shows I watched as a kid.
He was a leaf on the wind
It was watchable, not great, not even very good, just good-ish.
It really wasn't. Gintama has this premise of "a war happened before the series started and the main character lost" but it's a far better show.
No, it was better.
It's pretty good. I couldn't fricking stand Buffy or Dollhouse, but I still thoroughly enjoyed Firefly. I could take or leave Serenity
>young Zach Efron appears
Beats the ever loving frick out of Lost.
I liked The Expanse better. It had better space stuff. Firefly had a better variety of planets and settlers though, but of course every planet was breathable and habitable. I like the concept of just having one 'small' star system and taking agaes to travel between the various planets and moons. In contrast to say a galaxy where it takes only hours to get to dozens of different systems and it big distances seem trivial
It was solid and unique.