After seeing this shilled for weeks and getting a ton of praise I finally watched it.
It was okay. I felt like only the first and last episodes were good. In between that it felt somewhat aimless, other than slowly uncovering more shit. We're never given substantial reasons as to why Lumon is bad or if there is really anything darker going on other than Marks wife being split from him and told she was dead for some reason. The "conflict" doesn't seem like it has real drive until again the end when stuff starts to kick off. For a big megacorp that possibly has a lot of secrets with the jobs the severed people do the workers have a frick ton of freedom and they only have 2 people actually doing security-type jobs on the floor and they're not even good at it?
Maybe season 2 will answer all of this and actually turn the show into true kino but for a season 1 I didn't feel like it worked. Like if this was literally called "part 1" or something then I feel I could be more okay but season 2 wasn't even guaranteed or confirmed when this aired right? It simultaneously felt like it dragged on too long while also not having enough to it. Cinematography and music were good and I generally liked the acting and cast.
We’re learning that Lumon is using the Innies to do what all corporations try to do - foster a cult-like mentality in their employees. The scary part is how they hint that subconsciously, that carries over into the Outies’ lives in much the same way that Mark’s grief follows him inside:
>You may not know what it is, but you still feel it.
>that carries over into the Outies’ lives
In what way?
Also, I think you can argue creating cult-mentality makes sense and might be necessary to make severed life work. Devon was fairly complacent with earning his tiny little rewards for working hard, while still not being so braindead that he doesn't know how to have fun. It's only when he gets a taste of his outtie life that he starts to truly want to rebel against the system.
It's not clear why Petey wanted to rebel either or what the goal is behind the still very fricking unknown "rebel party" that kicked off this stuff. We got no answers about what they know or their motives other than them being able to rehabilitate severed memories.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>In what way?
Mark’s rabid defense of Lumon, his hostility towards anyone who even questions their practices. Also, I personally suspect that Peggy’s an Innie who eventually came to fully dominate her Outie, now a rabid(and rabidly loyal) defender of all things Lumon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Peggy is a project supervisor/lead ya dimwit. She isn’t severed.
2 years ago
Anonymous
How do you know? What if after years with the company, it ceases to matter?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because the point of severance is to get her level of dedication for nothing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
But what if that’s the only way *to* get it?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh I see, you’ve never had a job.
The higher levels of every company are always filled with cultish mentality/behavior. People working 16 hours a day, losing sleep, taking their work home, answering calls in the middle of the night, etc, and expecting the people below them to do the same thing. But this type of loyalty is mostly because, not only is the company is making those people rich (though that’s most of it), those people usually have multiple advanced degrees and they’re working in a field they invested most of their lives into, and being rewarded/valued proportionally. Their entire life has become that company. But accomplishing this without mind control s expensive.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I get where you’re coming from, but even the people you’re talking about don’t erect shrines to their company at home or “serve the will of <figurehead>“ as if they’re some sort of god-king, and that’s the point I’m making. That’s next-level devotion, and I think that’s what Lumon wants, what *all* companies really want.
You could be right, but if you are, then the metaphor inherent within the Innie/Outie dichotomy falls apart, and I believe that the show is using it to demonstrate that all the corporate drones “sever” to greater and lesser degrees.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Or there are ways, other than mind control, to achieve the level of devotion our corporate masters want, they’re just expensive.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't know. It did seem kind of rabid but I think you could argue there is genuine reason for his defense.
I mean, he took this big life changing procedure that, at that point I think, he doesn't know is irreversible, and his reason for doing so was literally as a cope. If you did that, I think you would get mad and want to defend your decision. >Also, I personally suspect that Peggy’s an Innie who eventually came to fully dominate her Outie, now a rabid(and rabidly loyal) defender of all things Lumon.
Maybe. There's definitely a lot more going on with her character. She has two identities (which is known by lumon considering they know she lives next to mark and was helping babysit for his sister). She had a shrine for lumen but her loyalty wasn't neccesarily so mindless that she tried to cope when she got fired, getting angry and wanting to destroy her shrine over it because she felt genuinely betrayed (still tries to save lumen likely in desperation to get her position back). The shrine itself has some kind of breathing tube thing with her name on it? Which I have no clue what that could be implying. Her being next to Mark and having a connection to him is also very strange as it seems intentionally but she was seemingly her neighbor before petey got out and the events of the show started so it implies there might be a deeper connection, which might connect to the whole reason marks wife was taking from him?
Then again we don't know what's up with Marks wife. Maybe the accident was real, it just wasn't fatal, and lumen (which we know is a medical based company) was somehow able to save her and they used her as an experiment for the severed project.
>We're never given substantial reasons as to why Lumon is bad
How about the part where they’re inserting mind control chips into people’s brains? Using torture techniques and psychological conditioning to control their behavior? Perverting nature? For no reason other than profit?
It's literally mind control but it's not mind control in the sense that they can manipulate peoples thoughts with the press a button, they can only switch between two different modes of memory.
I already said why you argue the cult stuff is good in the above post.
And we still don't know what lumen is doing, other than it's a big corporation and they want to push severed life being good.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>it's not mind control in the sense that they can manipulate peoples thoughts with the press a button
That’s what they’re doing though. The “numbers” they’re sorting are sorted based on emotional reactions. Meaning the emotional reactions are being induced. Specifically, the office the show is set in is a QC/refinement run of the newest generation of mind control chips, that Helena was going to announce at the little gala, that will hopefully fix problems like severed workers getting pregnant while severed.
So they can just remotely shut people on or off when they are outside the building? Do they have to be in a certain radius? Does it use cell towers? What happens if there's a glitch and you get shifted into your innie
the only series i've enjoyed watching for a long time tbh.
really wished they could have pre-filemed and released the episodes together though never had to wait to watch a weekly release before and it sucks waiting so long for season 2
STOP IGNORING MY SEVERANCE THREADS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SHOW
it would've been better as a placeholder in a script vault
>why does my buthole always hurtwhen iget home fmor work?
lol they should hve done this
better as a short story
https://delicioustacos.com/2013/02/08/autopilot/
DAMN. Did Apple tv rip it off like Shamalayn ripped off a short story for Old.
another hot take, why don't you and the Satoshi Kon gayot go jump off a bridge ?
what does he have to do with anything
because nobody cares what you think X movie or show "should have been" - it is what it is, discuss what you got not what you think you should have got
After seeing this shilled for weeks and getting a ton of praise I finally watched it.
It was okay. I felt like only the first and last episodes were good. In between that it felt somewhat aimless, other than slowly uncovering more shit. We're never given substantial reasons as to why Lumon is bad or if there is really anything darker going on other than Marks wife being split from him and told she was dead for some reason. The "conflict" doesn't seem like it has real drive until again the end when stuff starts to kick off. For a big megacorp that possibly has a lot of secrets with the jobs the severed people do the workers have a frick ton of freedom and they only have 2 people actually doing security-type jobs on the floor and they're not even good at it?
Maybe season 2 will answer all of this and actually turn the show into true kino but for a season 1 I didn't feel like it worked. Like if this was literally called "part 1" or something then I feel I could be more okay but season 2 wasn't even guaranteed or confirmed when this aired right? It simultaneously felt like it dragged on too long while also not having enough to it. Cinematography and music were good and I generally liked the acting and cast.
ok, i'm going to sleep now
We’re learning that Lumon is using the Innies to do what all corporations try to do - foster a cult-like mentality in their employees. The scary part is how they hint that subconsciously, that carries over into the Outies’ lives in much the same way that Mark’s grief follows him inside:
>You may not know what it is, but you still feel it.
>that carries over into the Outies’ lives
In what way?
Also, I think you can argue creating cult-mentality makes sense and might be necessary to make severed life work. Devon was fairly complacent with earning his tiny little rewards for working hard, while still not being so braindead that he doesn't know how to have fun. It's only when he gets a taste of his outtie life that he starts to truly want to rebel against the system.
It's not clear why Petey wanted to rebel either or what the goal is behind the still very fricking unknown "rebel party" that kicked off this stuff. We got no answers about what they know or their motives other than them being able to rehabilitate severed memories.
>In what way?
Mark’s rabid defense of Lumon, his hostility towards anyone who even questions their practices. Also, I personally suspect that Peggy’s an Innie who eventually came to fully dominate her Outie, now a rabid(and rabidly loyal) defender of all things Lumon.
Peggy is a project supervisor/lead ya dimwit. She isn’t severed.
How do you know? What if after years with the company, it ceases to matter?
Because the point of severance is to get her level of dedication for nothing.
But what if that’s the only way *to* get it?
Oh I see, you’ve never had a job.
The higher levels of every company are always filled with cultish mentality/behavior. People working 16 hours a day, losing sleep, taking their work home, answering calls in the middle of the night, etc, and expecting the people below them to do the same thing. But this type of loyalty is mostly because, not only is the company is making those people rich (though that’s most of it), those people usually have multiple advanced degrees and they’re working in a field they invested most of their lives into, and being rewarded/valued proportionally. Their entire life has become that company. But accomplishing this without mind control s expensive.
I get where you’re coming from, but even the people you’re talking about don’t erect shrines to their company at home or “serve the will of <figurehead>“ as if they’re some sort of god-king, and that’s the point I’m making. That’s next-level devotion, and I think that’s what Lumon wants, what *all* companies really want.
You could be right, but if you are, then the metaphor inherent within the Innie/Outie dichotomy falls apart, and I believe that the show is using it to demonstrate that all the corporate drones “sever” to greater and lesser degrees.
Or there are ways, other than mind control, to achieve the level of devotion our corporate masters want, they’re just expensive.
I don't know. It did seem kind of rabid but I think you could argue there is genuine reason for his defense.
I mean, he took this big life changing procedure that, at that point I think, he doesn't know is irreversible, and his reason for doing so was literally as a cope. If you did that, I think you would get mad and want to defend your decision.
>Also, I personally suspect that Peggy’s an Innie who eventually came to fully dominate her Outie, now a rabid(and rabidly loyal) defender of all things Lumon.
Maybe. There's definitely a lot more going on with her character. She has two identities (which is known by lumon considering they know she lives next to mark and was helping babysit for his sister). She had a shrine for lumen but her loyalty wasn't neccesarily so mindless that she tried to cope when she got fired, getting angry and wanting to destroy her shrine over it because she felt genuinely betrayed (still tries to save lumen likely in desperation to get her position back). The shrine itself has some kind of breathing tube thing with her name on it? Which I have no clue what that could be implying. Her being next to Mark and having a connection to him is also very strange as it seems intentionally but she was seemingly her neighbor before petey got out and the events of the show started so it implies there might be a deeper connection, which might connect to the whole reason marks wife was taking from him?
Then again we don't know what's up with Marks wife. Maybe the accident was real, it just wasn't fatal, and lumen (which we know is a medical based company) was somehow able to save her and they used her as an experiment for the severed project.
>We're never given substantial reasons as to why Lumon is bad
How about the part where they’re inserting mind control chips into people’s brains? Using torture techniques and psychological conditioning to control their behavior? Perverting nature? For no reason other than profit?
It's literally mind control but it's not mind control in the sense that they can manipulate peoples thoughts with the press a button, they can only switch between two different modes of memory.
I already said why you argue the cult stuff is good in the above post.
And we still don't know what lumen is doing, other than it's a big corporation and they want to push severed life being good.
>it's not mind control in the sense that they can manipulate peoples thoughts with the press a button
That’s what they’re doing though. The “numbers” they’re sorting are sorted based on emotional reactions. Meaning the emotional reactions are being induced. Specifically, the office the show is set in is a QC/refinement run of the newest generation of mind control chips, that Helena was going to announce at the little gala, that will hopefully fix problems like severed workers getting pregnant while severed.
prove it
It’s perfect as it is already.
No one would have watched it because for some reason, nobody can sit still for 2 hours and yet they can watch 16 hours of TV per day.
Yeah wait til season 2 shits the bed and try saying that again.
Season 2 being shit won’t retroactively make season 1 bad.
A lot of modern TV shows are better as films. Somehow they find a way to milk them out to 6-12 episode series.
its pretty obvious how they get there with this one
So they can just remotely shut people on or off when they are outside the building? Do they have to be in a certain radius? Does it use cell towers? What happens if there's a glitch and you get shifted into your innie
just want some of that helly butthole
they already made a film out of this, it's called dubs, check em homosexuals
Loser
the only series i've enjoyed watching for a long time tbh.
really wished they could have pre-filemed and released the episodes together though never had to wait to watch a weekly release before and it sucks waiting so long for season 2
watch better tv shows
Maybe, but I have nothing bad to say about it's first season as a tv show. By far my favorite show I've watched this year.
today, op was not a homosexual