Its bad so far, I'm an hour in.
They changed it to some elder witch gave them the book instead of satan.
Muh patriarchy jokes.
No boys allowed
No white people allowed
I just happen to have another candle
I won't spoil the rest yet.
do people really spam to internet boards while allegedly watching movie? no wonder everyone is always asking stupid ass questions about movie or tv show that were explained multiple times in the said movie or tv show
People speed watch movies while on their phone and shitposting just to get their contrarian opinions out as quickly as possible. This is why I don't take most opinions seriously anymore.
Disney started pushing it a few years back so they could sell extra trash around Halloween. The original isn’t interesting enough and lacks a creative vision to be a cult classic
It is literally the definition of a cult classic. It was some Disney Channel movie that became huge.
I watched it for the first time a few years ago and thought it was pretty cool.
34 year old here. I actually saw it in theaters. At the time it was a topic of discussion at my elementary school, and maybe 2-3 years later channels were already showing it at halloween season like it was some classic.
>When did people start pretending the first film was some kind of cult classic?
It’s been pushed as a classic for years.
Possibly for at least two decades or more, and probably going back to at least the late 1990s, if not early 2000s.
I honestly don’t even know if it’s any good, because I’ve never watched the film.
It's not bad, not a masterpiece or anything but it has some funny moments. 2 will be shit because current year Disney can't help themselves pushing their virtue signaling into everything.
I watched it every fall on vhs growing up. It's a pritty gud Halloween movie for kids. Last time I saw it I thought how this felt more like an 80s type film than 90s and sure enough when I looked it up it was written and orginally meant to come out in the 80s.
It got found by the Disney Hot Topic nerds when looking for something besides Nightmare Before Christmas to watch. I remember some girls in college loving them both. I also went to see Sweeny Todd with them and a group of our friends.
Every disney moron started lumping it together with halloweentown and TNBC so its seen as the cult halloween movie for those idiots. God im happy i left my ex, her disney autism was wew lawd...
This. Just finished it.
It heavily ignores the evil lore from the first movie like Hell, Satan, killing children.
The trio act good. Everyone else is a fricking nobody and is terribly written.
And the whole thing is badly written.
Literal huge ass pull ending.
Also NOBODY returns except for the sisters and Billy, which is surprising since pretty much everyone but the trio had no career after Hocus Pocus, so you'd think they'd give them a paycheck.
Also the credits completely reuses the score from the first movie.
Its as bad as you think a Disney+ ONLY release would be. Theres a good reason this one isn't in theaters.
and rhe movie has a post credit scene that makes it possible for a sequel or more likely a series. Probably something for the """mother""" witch at the beginning since she had 2 minutes of screen time and the crow/raven at the end.
In the first movie Winnifred is said to get thw book from Satan himself and they became witches from selling their souls to the devil. In this its retconned to they ran to the woods, met another witch and the witch just gives them the book because she just feels Winnifred is powerful and some people are just witches.
yes we all knew disney would tone it down in the sequel because modern day is so shit
it wasn't an oversight - they couldn't make the witches (ie strong empowered women who were persecuted by mysoginist puritans as every single feminist academic keeps screeching about) evil or there'd be a smear campaign by twitter
>they couldn't make the witches (ie strong empowered women who were persecuted by mysoginist puritans as every single feminist academic keeps screeching about) evil or there'd be a smear campaign by twitter
Then don't do a sequel then.
Funny. There were NO witches in Salem. It is amazing as someone from MA who went to Salem on school trips and other times to see this Hollywood shit. Even as a kid I knew this when I saw it in theaters.
One black woman practiced some Afro-Carribean midwife stuff. She wasn't even executed and accused two other wome of witchcraft while in jail. Never mind a buncha men were executed as witches too.
They even crushed a guy to death with stones.
today's crappy screenwriters don't even bother learning the folklore around what they're supposed to write about. Bunch of privileged c**ts from the same handful of (terrible) schools. If they wanted to go with their "witches are just scapegoated powerful wammen" shtick, they could have simply had the witches STEAL Satan's book, which would've been canon
Not so fast
I think the office secretary is a troony
There are trannies/drag queens in the Sanderson costume contest
And the movie makes a point of showing a male gay black and white gay couple watching Hocus Pocus 1 in there living room.
Not so fast
I think the office secretary is a troony
There are trannies/drag queens in the Sanderson costume contest
And the movie makes a point of showing a male gay black and white gay couple watching Hocus Pocus 1 in there living room.
Makes the town preacher bad and stupid
Muh women oppression
Muh patriarchy
Muh witches are can be good
Muh witches misunderstood
The MCs are all women
The two main MCs are a black/biracial 16 year old and a fat asian girl
The black guy is probably gay
The white guy is dumb
Dragon dildo candle
Also women wrotw and directed this one
The last 9ne was written and directed by men including one guy who adapts Stephen King novels and one who wrote the Childs Play series.
This
[...]
Makes the town preacher bad and stupid
Muh women oppression
Muh patriarchy
Muh witches are can be good
Muh witches misunderstood
The MCs are all women
The two main MCs are a black/biracial 16 year old and a fat asian girl
The black guy is probably gay
The white guy is dumb
Dragon dildo candle
It's literally a repeat of the first movie. >Witches get resurrected by a candle again (makes no sense) >Friendly Zombie assisting kids >Witches try to stay alive my trying to suck the souls out of kids (Apparently people age in the afterlife) >Book that is alive >Black cat >Will die the same way they died in the first
The only difference this time: >Main kids are black/mutts >Will be used as another platform to promote more LGBT and troony shit >Some opening scene in the past where the witches receive the book from someone called "The Witch Mother" which actually contradicts the first movie where it was said they got the book from the Devil/Satan - This proves that the filmmakers of this film are either clueless morons, or are suffering from a clear case of dementia)
I watched and loved the first movie as a kid in the '90s. It's kind of cringe now as an adult, but it's a guilty pleasure around Halloween time. Plus, my girlfriend loves it. I'd advise to just watch that one.
>The only difference this time: >>Main kids are black/mutts >>Will be used as another platform to promote more LGBT and troony shit
Given that Salem these days is like a small town San Fransisco, that is pretty fitting. Heaven help us, their loony lefty mayor is running foe governor.
Just finished it. >objective 7/10 >personal halloween rating 9/10
It's legitimately good. The young Sanderson sisters and all the old Salem scenes were great.
Every scene involving Bette Midler, Sarah Jessica Parker and Kathy Najimy were great and they all got a chance to shine.
There were some genuinely funny jokes/gags: >Fluorescence? You know I think we knew her. I think she was in the Paris coven >the whole Walgreens scene >duckface, knowing how to pose for the selfie, other fourth wall gags >roomba broom
I still find Sarah Jessica Parker incredibly attractive. Also I love the running gag of Kathy Najimy saying something incredibly relevant but using modern lingo and betraying knowledge she shouldn't have of the modern world like "just spitballing here", "guess you switched your lane", I mean they all do it but it's funniest when she does it.
Some things I didn't like: >the editing and pacing of some parts
When the Sanderson sisters first come back, they should have dedicated the scene entirely on their musical number. It felt like the director/editor wasn't confident enough in the scene and thought it might be cringe so kept cutting away to the teens, when the musical number would have actually worked incredibly well on its own. It only need split second cutaway reaction shots to the teens. Instead we got a truncated dance number that we couldn't see half of because it wasn't focused on the Sanderson sisters. >the teen protagonists are completely devoid of charisma
There was barely any characterization in the main black girl and her friend with glasses, there was barely any contrast or disparity between the two that they may as well have been just one character.
The teen protagonists in the first Hocus Pocus also lacked charisma, but they at least had some texture in their relationships. Like new teen boy in town, the hometown queen he was trying to woo, his younger sister, and their relationship with Thackery Binx. There were layers in the developing interpersonal relationships that were completely lacking in this movie. >some parts of the plot too contrived
How they explained why Gilbert did what he did, without explaining how he did any of it.
The lazy salt thing. The lazy "protag was a witch" thing.
The part where the sisters just go on stage as an excuse for them to do another scene from the first movie.
For the most part I didn't have any issue with WHAT happened, only that the execution of it was poor and there could have been a lot more done to the script to make things make more sense. >lack of darkness
No dark themes like the original. >didn't quite feel like Halloween
Didn't really explore Halloween night fully. Not even any scenes of trick or treating. >b-plot with Billy and Gilbert was meh
I just don't find Gilbert funny. >boyfriend was underused to the point where you wonder what's the point of his character
Just glasses friend and his girlfriend really. >the in-your-face transgender/gay couple
Pretty sure the ladybug at the principal's office was supposed to be a trans person. And then you had the gay couple watching the old movie. And then the drag queens at the show. I have nothing against them, only the scenes felt shoehorned in and not relevant to the plot at all. If they had a scene where the Sanderson sisters mistook a transwoman for a biological woman, it would be insensitive but would feel a bit more natural to something that might actually happen. There are probably other ways for them to include transgendered/gay couples in the movie, have it not be insensitive, but also make it so everyone can find it amusing. But this goes back to them being a bit lazy.
>No dark themes like the original.
But it was darker and spookier 2022 witches are particularly harmless the entire movie, and they were destined to fail from the beginning.
That's what I'm saying, the original was darker and spookier. It starts off with an outright child murder, cursing another child to be imprisoned for eternity in the body of a cat, then a literal hanging (actually shows their feet dangling). The new one isn't nearly as dark (or raunchy) as the original.
It actually wasn't terrible. I would keep their general plot but cast more attractive and charismatic protags and improve on the script/editing/pacing.
I would make the teen protags truly diverse (not skin colour) in the sense of being from different walks of life and being whisked together unexpectedly on Halloween night. Like how the original had more of class struggle theme going on with the main character boy and the rich girl.
So I'd do away with the personality-less protag and her friend with glasses.
I'd replace them with true outcast groups of different ages, and keep the class struggle themes, maybe make the protagonist or one of the main characters a friendless incel (male or female), pair them with an old man/woman (50+ years of age), a homecoming queen/cheerleaders and some tween kids. I mean it's the age of the internet, you should be able to make a few gags with the computer and the internet too.
I didn't like the Magica Maximae or whatever plot either so I would probably replace that with something else.
But there's a lot of soul in this remake, really the only bad parts were the teen protagonists. There's even a blink and you'll miss it fart joke.
Movies that didn’t need a sequel
Man of Steel
True ina sense.
But mos didn't need to exist i nthe first place
Blade Runner
The sequel is better than the original in every way except maybe the music
zoomest
Its bad so far, I'm an hour in.
They changed it to some elder witch gave them the book instead of satan.
Muh patriarchy jokes.
No boys allowed
No white people allowed
I just happen to have another candle
I won't spoil the rest yet.
Also Kathy Najimi is fricking OOOOOOLLLLLLDDDDDD in this.
She could've gained weight for it.
do people really spam to internet boards while allegedly watching movie? no wonder everyone is always asking stupid ass questions about movie or tv show that were explained multiple times in the said movie or tv show
People speed watch movies while on their phone and shitposting just to get their contrarian opinions out as quickly as possible. This is why I don't take most opinions seriously anymore.
And they didn't even bother trying to recreate the Sanderson house or the cemetery
When did people start pretending the first film was some kind of cult classic?
It is literally the definition of a cult classic. It was some Disney Channel movie that became huge.
You know what else became huge? My benis anytime SJP was on screen
Must be enormous to still be big after that.
So that’s how beastiality is awakened, huh…
Nostalgia goggles
I watched it for the first time a few years ago and thought it was pretty cool.
Disney started pushing it a few years back so they could sell extra trash around Halloween. The original isn’t interesting enough and lacks a creative vision to be a cult classic
34 year old here. I actually saw it in theaters. At the time it was a topic of discussion at my elementary school, and maybe 2-3 years later channels were already showing it at halloween season like it was some classic.
I never knew it bombed.
Women
Every girl living in MA is legally required to obsess over that movie for the month of october
>When did people start pretending the first film was some kind of cult classic?
It’s been pushed as a classic for years.
Possibly for at least two decades or more, and probably going back to at least the late 1990s, if not early 2000s.
I honestly don’t even know if it’s any good, because I’ve never watched the film.
It's not bad, not a masterpiece or anything but it has some funny moments. 2 will be shit because current year Disney can't help themselves pushing their virtue signaling into everything.
I watched it every fall on vhs growing up. It's a pritty gud Halloween movie for kids. Last time I saw it I thought how this felt more like an 80s type film than 90s and sure enough when I looked it up it was written and orginally meant to come out in the 80s.
It got found by the Disney Hot Topic nerds when looking for something besides Nightmare Before Christmas to watch. I remember some girls in college loving them both. I also went to see Sweeny Todd with them and a group of our friends.
Every disney moron started lumping it together with halloweentown and TNBC so its seen as the cult halloween movie for those idiots. God im happy i left my ex, her disney autism was wew lawd...
Gays and women. Also gays like this is why these movies keep getting made
>looks like shit but I’ll pay to watch it anyway
womyn that were born in like 1997-2005 all attached themselves to the movie because they're "witches" now, who do spells against the patriarchy
they're off by one letter, but fair enough
Umm since forever? God i hate zoomers
And now they just showed a black and white gay man couple watchong hocus pocus in their living room
What?
the three witches hamming it up is entertaining the rest is shit
This. Just finished it.
It heavily ignores the evil lore from the first movie like Hell, Satan, killing children.
The trio act good. Everyone else is a fricking nobody and is terribly written.
And the whole thing is badly written.
Literal huge ass pull ending.
Also NOBODY returns except for the sisters and Billy, which is surprising since pretty much everyone but the trio had no career after Hocus Pocus, so you'd think they'd give them a paycheck.
Also the credits completely reuses the score from the first movie.
Its as bad as you think a Disney+ ONLY release would be. Theres a good reason this one isn't in theaters.
and rhe movie has a post credit scene that makes it possible for a sequel or more likely a series. Probably something for the """mother""" witch at the beginning since she had 2 minutes of screen time and the crow/raven at the end.
So no talking cat?
No.
boo
>It heavily ignores the evil lore from the first movie like Hell, Satan, killing children.
Cringe
The trailer made it look like a cheap Disney Channel show. Not even Disney Channel Orginal TV movie quality. Halloweentown looked better than this
In the first movie Winnifred is said to get thw book from Satan himself and they became witches from selling their souls to the devil. In this its retconned to they ran to the woods, met another witch and the witch just gives them the book because she just feels Winnifred is powerful and some people are just witches.
yes we all knew disney would tone it down in the sequel because modern day is so shit
it wasn't an oversight - they couldn't make the witches (ie strong empowered women who were persecuted by mysoginist puritans as every single feminist academic keeps screeching about) evil or there'd be a smear campaign by twitter
>they couldn't make the witches (ie strong empowered women who were persecuted by mysoginist puritans as every single feminist academic keeps screeching about) evil or there'd be a smear campaign by twitter
Then don't do a sequel then.
Funny. There were NO witches in Salem. It is amazing as someone from MA who went to Salem on school trips and other times to see this Hollywood shit. Even as a kid I knew this when I saw it in theaters.
One black woman practiced some Afro-Carribean midwife stuff. She wasn't even executed and accused two other wome of witchcraft while in jail. Never mind a buncha men were executed as witches too.
They even crushed a guy to death with stones.
today's crappy screenwriters don't even bother learning the folklore around what they're supposed to write about. Bunch of privileged c**ts from the same handful of (terrible) schools. If they wanted to go with their "witches are just scapegoated powerful wammen" shtick, they could have simply had the witches STEAL Satan's book, which would've been canon
>The groomer logo in the O
How woke?
Every single character is now a black troony.
2 of the 4 non-witch main characters are black, guess that classifies as woke around here. Otherwise nothing else.
Also go to great lengths to make the witches seem less malicious than in the original. Idk if it's feminist or just disney toning shit down or what.
At least no gay characters
Not so fast
I think the office secretary is a troony
There are trannies/drag queens in the Sanderson costume contest
And the movie makes a point of showing a male gay black and white gay couple watching Hocus Pocus 1 in there living room.
This
Makes the town preacher bad and stupid
Muh women oppression
Muh patriarchy
Muh witches are can be good
Muh witches misunderstood
The MCs are all women
The two main MCs are a black/biracial 16 year old and a fat asian girl
The black guy is probably gay
The white guy is dumb
Dragon dildo candle
Also women wrotw and directed this one
The last 9ne was written and directed by men including one guy who adapts Stephen King novels and one who wrote the Childs Play series.
Well that explains some of it. Not to mention how women simply cannot be evil in modern fiction. If they are, it is always because of man.
oof, spookysisters not like this
Alien but then it came and was better than the first.
It's literally a repeat of the first movie.
>Witches get resurrected by a candle again (makes no sense)
>Friendly Zombie assisting kids
>Witches try to stay alive my trying to suck the souls out of kids (Apparently people age in the afterlife)
>Book that is alive
>Black cat
>Will die the same way they died in the first
The only difference this time:
>Main kids are black/mutts
>Will be used as another platform to promote more LGBT and troony shit
>Some opening scene in the past where the witches receive the book from someone called "The Witch Mother" which actually contradicts the first movie where it was said they got the book from the Devil/Satan - This proves that the filmmakers of this film are either clueless morons, or are suffering from a clear case of dementia)
I watched and loved the first movie as a kid in the '90s. It's kind of cringe now as an adult, but it's a guilty pleasure around Halloween time. Plus, my girlfriend loves it. I'd advise to just watch that one.
Another black cat?
>The only difference this time:
>>Main kids are black/mutts
>>Will be used as another platform to promote more LGBT and troony shit
Given that Salem these days is like a small town San Fransisco, that is pretty fitting. Heaven help us, their loony lefty mayor is running foe governor.
And its terrible
>Salem, 1653
Oh wow, this could actually be kino
>Salem, Present day
Oh wait, yeah, it's not.
What are some other comfy halloween movies?
Tim Burton's Sleepy Hollow is the Halloweenest movie ever.
Good choice
Simpsons Halloween specials are kino but stop after season 8.
The Worst Witch with tim curry. Pure 80s cheese
Van Helsing with Huge Jackedman is my go to Halloween movie.
FRICK OFF LETS GOOOOOOO. I AM LRGIT DROPPING WHST IM DOING TO WATCH THIS
I'm starting it, will post after I'm done.
Even if the rest of it is lame, I have decided this movie is GOAT based on the first 12 minutes alone.
Cute!
*mogs Sarah Jessica Parker*
>OG MC and girl open the book, cause the wanted save a friend
>2022 some Black person opens the book, cause he a male witch
Lmao
>The first movie is a movie within a movie
Jesus H. Christ. moronic.
Just finished it.
>objective 7/10
>personal halloween rating 9/10
It's legitimately good. The young Sanderson sisters and all the old Salem scenes were great.
Every scene involving Bette Midler, Sarah Jessica Parker and Kathy Najimy were great and they all got a chance to shine.
There were some genuinely funny jokes/gags:
>Fluorescence? You know I think we knew her. I think she was in the Paris coven
>the whole Walgreens scene
>duckface, knowing how to pose for the selfie, other fourth wall gags
>roomba broom
I still find Sarah Jessica Parker incredibly attractive. Also I love the running gag of Kathy Najimy saying something incredibly relevant but using modern lingo and betraying knowledge she shouldn't have of the modern world like "just spitballing here", "guess you switched your lane", I mean they all do it but it's funniest when she does it.
Some things I didn't like:
>the editing and pacing of some parts
When the Sanderson sisters first come back, they should have dedicated the scene entirely on their musical number. It felt like the director/editor wasn't confident enough in the scene and thought it might be cringe so kept cutting away to the teens, when the musical number would have actually worked incredibly well on its own. It only need split second cutaway reaction shots to the teens. Instead we got a truncated dance number that we couldn't see half of because it wasn't focused on the Sanderson sisters.
>the teen protagonists are completely devoid of charisma
There was barely any characterization in the main black girl and her friend with glasses, there was barely any contrast or disparity between the two that they may as well have been just one character.
cont'd
The teen protagonists in the first Hocus Pocus also lacked charisma, but they at least had some texture in their relationships. Like new teen boy in town, the hometown queen he was trying to woo, his younger sister, and their relationship with Thackery Binx. There were layers in the developing interpersonal relationships that were completely lacking in this movie.
>some parts of the plot too contrived
How they explained why Gilbert did what he did, without explaining how he did any of it.
The lazy salt thing. The lazy "protag was a witch" thing.
The part where the sisters just go on stage as an excuse for them to do another scene from the first movie.
For the most part I didn't have any issue with WHAT happened, only that the execution of it was poor and there could have been a lot more done to the script to make things make more sense.
>lack of darkness
No dark themes like the original.
>didn't quite feel like Halloween
Didn't really explore Halloween night fully. Not even any scenes of trick or treating.
>b-plot with Billy and Gilbert was meh
I just don't find Gilbert funny.
>boyfriend was underused to the point where you wonder what's the point of his character
Just glasses friend and his girlfriend really.
>the in-your-face transgender/gay couple
Pretty sure the ladybug at the principal's office was supposed to be a trans person. And then you had the gay couple watching the old movie. And then the drag queens at the show. I have nothing against them, only the scenes felt shoehorned in and not relevant to the plot at all. If they had a scene where the Sanderson sisters mistook a transwoman for a biological woman, it would be insensitive but would feel a bit more natural to something that might actually happen. There are probably other ways for them to include transgendered/gay couples in the movie, have it not be insensitive, but also make it so everyone can find it amusing. But this goes back to them being a bit lazy.
>No dark themes like the original.
But it was darker and spookier 2022 witches are particularly harmless the entire movie, and they were destined to fail from the beginning.
That's what I'm saying, the original was darker and spookier. It starts off with an outright child murder, cursing another child to be imprisoned for eternity in the body of a cat, then a literal hanging (actually shows their feet dangling). The new one isn't nearly as dark (or raunchy) as the original.
>I still find Sarah Jessica Parker incredibly attractive
look, a mentally ill person
SJP is hot in Hocus Pocus makeup.
This will of course be terrible but I do want to know how /tv would have made a sequel?
It should've just been a prequel to the first movie and not some modern day horseshit.
No sequel, the witches get killed at the end of the original. It’s over.
It actually wasn't terrible. I would keep their general plot but cast more attractive and charismatic protags and improve on the script/editing/pacing.
I would make the teen protags truly diverse (not skin colour) in the sense of being from different walks of life and being whisked together unexpectedly on Halloween night. Like how the original had more of class struggle theme going on with the main character boy and the rich girl.
So I'd do away with the personality-less protag and her friend with glasses.
I'd replace them with true outcast groups of different ages, and keep the class struggle themes, maybe make the protagonist or one of the main characters a friendless incel (male or female), pair them with an old man/woman (50+ years of age), a homecoming queen/cheerleaders and some tween kids. I mean it's the age of the internet, you should be able to make a few gags with the computer and the internet too.
I didn't like the Magica Maximae or whatever plot either so I would probably replace that with something else.
But there's a lot of soul in this remake, really the only bad parts were the teen protagonists. There's even a blink and you'll miss it fart joke.
No yabbos, 0/10, won't watch again.
I am boycotting this film.
It is set in Salem, MA; but they filmed it in New York. Frick that.
Yankees suck! Go Sox! *sips Dunkin*
>not watching the vr Hocus Pocus
Insanely good scene even though it's vr
Why do childless millenial cat-women cling to this film so hard?
Can't believe there are actually people ITT who don't like Hocus Pocus.
YES! AFTER 30 YEARS OF NOBODY ASKING, WE FINALLY GET A HOCUS POCUS 2!
>Full of POC woke bullshit
Yeah nah
Im just glad Garris is gonna get some money out of this (I assume), but have no interest in it whatsoever
CRITICS ARE CALLING IT EVERYTHING FROM SHIT TO FRICKIN' SHIT