It's so funny to me that there's reverse weebs in Japan they has the fact same talking points for anime and manga that weebs have for western animation and comics
It's so funny to me that there's reverse weebs in Japan they has the fact same talking points for anime and manga that weebs have for wester...
I don't speak gobbledeasiatic
What did he say
For those who can't read moon runes
LMAO damn, I guess east vs west really is universal isn't it
Yeah, both sides nitpick stuff to make their arguments better, I'm not on that debate, I just appreciate good animated content, the real problem stems from industry becoming more and more competitive, leaving barely any room for experimentation
>room for experimentatio
Indie animation is right there for endless experimentation.
Except in Japan they're a rarity while here it's a majority.
The thing is that EvsW threads can unironically be interesting if we talked like civilized people and not like animals.
True but when it comes to comics in particular there's no way you can't see that comics have lagged so far behind you can't see them and the answer is to look at manga and learn because there's no actual good reason why comics can't be better instead people are unironically defending specialty shops and variants and the industry crumbles and almost nothing except minis can be made now.
Fricking wow, like lolz thanks. them moon runes are something else huh anon ?
Nice troll, now what are the real comments?
it's completely accurate. only real nitpick I can find is that the last sentence refers to a storyteller of equal courage, and that "compassion" would've been better described with relatability.
>5 years ago
Your point ? Weirdo azz frick ?
American animation is dead as shit and only stunted womanchildren watch it
This is fake right?
Stop and really truly consider if it matters. At this point, does it matter if it is "real" or not?
cant blame him with all the 100 yearly isekai garbage.
>Japanese westaboos are more passionate and optimistic than the jaded weeb counterpart
Anime is truly superior.
I refuse to believe this is real, but on the other hand I'm well experienced with how completely delusional people can be, so it probably is.
I feel this.
I've said it before, but the advantage Anime has it QUANTITY: there's objectively *more* shit Anime, but the amount of overwhelmingly excellent fricking 12/10 Anime & Manga outnumbers the entirety of western production.
It's very indicative of the differences in situations where there's an entire, very healthy, community of people on Cinemaphile who almost exclusively only watch anime between the 80's and 90's, and they're never bored. Like, there's just so much to consume and discover- I myself recently fell into early 2000's anime and I'm constantly finding new shit I absolutely love I've never seen or heard of before.
>I WISH artists in the west would get the chance to do what they actually want and not be forced into the 7442552th sterile kiddy show
That's the rut though isn't it.
There's no doubt in my mind that western artists have great stories and art in them (BIG fan of Hellboy and Orc Stain), but the industry is so risk averse, so fricking safe, completely disinterested in young adult-to-adult material, over managed, and incestual. Comparatively speaking the comic and cartoon industry is just so fricking dead.
why can't we just agree there's good Cinemaphile and good Cinemaphile, why all of this stupid bullshit
>there's good Cinemaphile
Incorrect.
>thing
:/
>thing, america
:O
What I get from this, and the latino weebs ITT who are denying it hard, is that both cultures have this self-hating nature where they are doomed and the grass is far greener on the other side, neither can truly think their industry is good because the other side has something different, and that we aren't that different at all. And that heavy contrarianism runs across both landmasses
For every weeb ITT who is going on about how there's no way western is better there's a westaboo on a 5ch who is saying the opposite
>For every weeb ITT who is going on about how there's no way western is better there's a westaboo on a 5ch who is saying the opposite
And that's the problem, you don't understand that these westaboos are a minority while american weaboos are a majority. And then you fail to take into account the other countries from Europe like France or Gemany or Spain that also prefers "those blasted japanese!"
>you don't understand that these westaboos are a minority while american weaboos are a majority
Nope. There is a Tokyo Disneyland but no Orlando Ghibliland
Japan has a Disneyland more to have one of their own than to just be there. They have a place called the Otsuka Art Museum where there’s hundreds of 1:1 replicas of paintings and landmarks from Europe and shit, like a replica Sistine Chapel or replica roman frescas and stuff. It’s ostensibly built for lower income people who can’t travel abroad to experience these sorts of art pieces, but there’s also stations to cosplay as specific pieces of art, or using perspective to make 3d versions of art. Plus most Japanese who really want to see these pieces in person could still easily afford a trip, but this space is more of a safe space for Japan to explore art in their own way, taking the outside world and making something of their own of it. The closest western parallel I can think of is Lascaux II and that’s more out of necessity to preserve old cave paintings, we pride ourselves in going out and seeing the places we want to see, being in the location, having traveled there. We could easily replicate something like Ghiblipark, but then what’s the point? We experience art differently, we value the location as much as the piece itself, while Japan interprets art as ‘what can I make of it through my own culture?’
Even that westaboo wasn’t seeing western art as superior, just to decide what to follow, he wanted japanese art to learn and adapt FROM western art, in form and in storytelling, (though I feel he might be overstating the story’s worth, maybe the allusions to modern culture get lost overseas). He doesn’t want to say Gravity Falls is better than anime, he wants to make the anime ‘Gravity Falls’. Not ‘anime Gravity Falls’ I mean anime that’s more like Gravity Falls.
I agree with Gravity Falls, but it’s hilarious how this falls apart looking not far outside it.
I disagree with the fact that GF has "so much passion and effort " put into it when half of the characters have 1 personality trait aka being moronic. That's such a lazy way to do characterization. Gf shines when you take the time to appreciate the atmosphere and the gorgeous background. For me it was a 6.5-7/10 show at best.
Westaboos are so fricking sad, weeaboos at least seek better things.
Not all the time. Generic isekai shit still remains popular.
Think about it from a westaboo perspective, if you're consuming shonen and only ocassionally seinen shit for most of your life, it'll eventually all feel formulaic even if it is still actually awesome, then watching something like Hilda or Adventure Time is going to feel new and refreshingly interesting in comparison.
Like South Park went viral in Japan in the first place because it was weird and vulgar in a way most manga and anime weren't at the time. I think even Rick and Morty had a similar reception there, which is why it got an anime spinoff.
>I think even Rick and Morty had a similar reception there, which is why it got an anime spinoff.
Considering how much in a desperate state Adult Swim seems to be in right now, they probably thought having an anime would bring in the type that sees watching cartoons as juvenile. It helps that Adult Swim has actual anime industry contacts, but Netflix didn't even bother to do that for Adi Shankar shit even though they could. That could be a whole other thread on its own.
But I do have to hand it to the weebs, they have way more anime (and thus, way more *good* anime) than we do cartoons. These posts detail the dilemma pretty well:
>then watching something like Hilda is going to feel new and refreshingly interesting in comparison.
I mean it is regardless if you watch shonen
Anon… Western adult animation is one of the most generic genres I’ve seen in all mediums. Also the nips have made some of the best SoL that outclass Hilda by a mile.
>Anon… Western adult animation is one of the most generic genres I’ve seen in all mediums.
The average Japanese person has not seen the 57th Family Guy ripoff or even are aware it exists.
Even disregarding that, South Park is/was noticeable for how vulgar it was, especially since the main cast is full of kids.
>Also the nips have made some of the best SoL that outclass Hilda by a mile.
Even if that were true, how many of them have the same Nordic/British folktale influence that Hilda has?
>Even if that were true, how many of them have the same Nordic/British folktale influence that Hilda has?
Considering how many japanese artists and authors write about life in other places quite a lot. Something like a Aria or Mori's works show that they can represent the beauty of other nations quite well. Never try to claim superiority in the sol aspect against the nips. Even the french recognize their superiority in that aspect. Hilda is special because western cartoons usually suck at direction and atmosphere.
>Considering how many japanese artists and authors write about life in other places quite a lot.
Again, what SoL anime specifically has a similar European folklore aesthetic as Hilda? The only thing that comes to mind are the Moomins.
Do all the adaptations of european stories count? There are quite a lot of them. Also there is Chiisana Viking Vickie, The Littl' Bits, The Ancient Magus Bride, Karigurashi no Arrietty.
Also the girl from the other side.
Also forgot to add that AT was your best example.
The grass is always greener on the other side I suppose.
The grass is always greener...
And Grunkle Stan's ass is always bigger
I wonder, what do the Japanese think of Milhouse?
>Literally me, aroo
here's japanese Cinemaphile: https://medaka.5ch.net/cartoon/
"Owl House is a rip off anime of Amphibia"
This place is a gold mine lmao
>Why are Japanese people so obsessed with South Park
I wonder why
>inanimate insanity thread
how do they even know about object shows?
They seem to like both BFDI and II, it helps that right now BFDIA got revived after 10 years, TPOT is still ongoing and II3 the best season from them so far is also still ongoing so there's material to talk about.
Japanese Cinemaphile is a strange place.
https://medaka.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/cartoon/1188662476/l50
>Kappa Mikey thread from 2007
>half the posters think it's great while the other half hate it
kek
I always wanted to watch the Japanese GF dub, the voices for it were really good in the one scene I watched
To me when I approach east vs west stuff I'll always pick east due to it just having more good shows then western animation, but unlike a lot of people who say this, I don't pretend western animation has nothing to offer, if anything I WISH artists in the west would get the chance to do what they actually want and not be forced into the 7442552th sterile kiddy show
Unironically I am the same. My top 100 list animated series would be made of 60-70% anime because I prefer it to western cartoons, yet I do think there are some great western animated series here and there.
personally I think anime has more good than Cinemaphile (like you said, there's just more quantity) though if I had to pick my favorite stuff, it would probably be Cinemaphile related since I'm a sucker for cartoony stuff
I remember there was a guy who saw to Japanese salarymen arguing if subbed or dubbed KotH was better.
>reverse weebs
They're called westaboos anon.
Freeaboos (Freebs)
I have some westaboo friends and all they were taking about is how Japan is losing at animation compared to the Spiderverse and TMNT movies
I mean objectively the west is superior to Japan when it comes to the 3D animarion department. Like Ghibli tried it and it was almost Elsagate tier
High budget movies? Yes. Experimental cgi, indie cgi or animated series cgi? The nips do it pretty well.
Japan is still pretty far behind in the 3D TV department, especially when it comes to action.
Maybe. Idk I have never watched a 3D action anime. So I can only judge vidya cutscenes but I guess those don't count.
Gamera Rebirth will like to have a word with you.
I think cgi sucks. Period. It all looks ugly, those Spider-man ones in particular look like crap.
Beastars was CGI
The west kind of has 2 big advantages when it comes to 3d animation:
-They started way earlier, so there's just a huge headstart in terms of getting comfortable, trying out new things, and being more experimental with the medium. Think not just the Spiderverse, but also *Elemental.
-I think the west has a way more active 3d animation indie scene than Japan does. Granted I could be wrong, but it at least *feels* like the west weirdly has waaay more small creators fricking around with 3d animation- have you seen Digital Circus yet? Pretty good.
*Granted, I do wanna say that when it comes to 3d I think Disney is already starting to fall into a rut. They literally just picked up all the tech that Pixar developed and all of it looks the fricking same.