This wasn’t character assassination, this was who he really was. He just kept that side of him bottled up and put it behind a “friendly neighbor” mask.
Okay dude. Not OP but even I think it was character assassination. They weren’t from him just being a nice overall neighbor, to having a dark secret that he is secretly holding all his region by being a nice guy that uses secret words to hide his rage. And the funny thing is the writer of this episode is only wrote this episode, which is a little bit annoying because he specifically came in to write and dad as a jerk, and then never wrote another episode again for the Simpsons. So this guy clearly did not like Ned.
You can tell that the regular writers of the show did not like how this guy handled Ned because they never mentioned any of this ever again after this episode. But then again, I stopped watching a show after like season 10 so I don’t know if they ever bring it back up again.
I still have no idea what the frick the writer was thinking with this episode did he really think people were going to like this change or idea? Not even his fellow riders thought this was going to be a good idea.
The whole plot doesn't even make sense.
Did no one of the Skinner's neighbors or anyone ask themselves why Seymour looks, sounds and acts completely different?
Did no one ever ask him anything mundane but important that Armin couldn't possibly know?
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Agnes didn't let her son have a lot of friends
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Did she also never let him go to the doctor, either?
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Old Skinner didn't give a shit about what his mother wanted
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Which is why she was perfectly fine sending the guy off. She wanted a sycophant, not a son.
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It's a weird flip-around of the Norman Bates thing that the mother isn't sucessfully domineering and her real son just walked out and she needed a man who would willingly accept being bossed around. It's like one of those S&M couples where the "bottom" is actually calling the shots.
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It's a bigger problem that it invalidates Skinner's manchild charecterzation if he didn't even meet his "mother" until he was into his 20s and CHOOSE to stay with her.
And if he's not a manchild who's never gotten out from under his mother thumb, then the joke about his being deeply unfit to educate children doesn't work.
Why the frick can't he just be an overly friendly character?
Why must there always be some sort of special moment in life that explains someones whole behavior ?
Ned doesn't hate everyone in town and he never did. He was just lashing out in a fit of bottled up frustration. People say rotten shit when they're upset enough, and Ned had tolerated more than enough up until that point.
Ned doesn't hate everyone in town and he never did. He was just lashing out in a fit of bottled up frustration. People say rotten shit when they're upset enough, and Ned had tolerated more than enough up until that point.
anon, the episode is about Ned's hidden trauma with his parents. He apparently never expresses anger towards others because he got used to repress it as a child. The shooting Homer bit was precisely about Ned dealing with a new found repressed anger issue, is the first time he actually had a problem with someone.
It made sense and was cathartic to a degree. It wasn’t even the first time Ned had shown anger or pettiness, he was pretty heated when Homer argued with him about the boys playing mini golf for instance.
Ned started out as the perfect neighbor with well mannered kids, a doting wife, a successful job and an idyllic home life… and we watched him get abused and disrespected by his neighbor for 8 seasons. The whole town seemingly deciding to ignore the abuse.
So he finally gets pushed to his breaking point, and tells off the whole town. The whole town is put in its place and everyone gains respect for Ned, even Homer albeit briefly. He even goes back to being a good natured doormat by the end.
That’s not assassination, that’s just a brief moment of relief. Assassination would be when the writers decided to turn Mo from an angry bastard to a suicidal loser… although I think he’s now a happily married man?
>although I think he’s now a happily married man?
They gave Moe a literal perfect frickdoll wife. He's as happy as anyone can be. Except the next Moe episode after this where he starts coaching Nelson in hockey because he feels like he gets no respect. Even though Maya adores him.
Character assassination would have been if this became Ned's normal behavior. This was a one-episode issue about Ned dealing with his repressed anger and disappointment. He never had another moment of overflowing outrage again afterwards.
They completely change Hilda's personality and the nature of magic just to work out Frida in to it. Hilda from the start was a tomboyish headstrong girl but that still was sensible and mature for age, her understanding of magic in the first season was almost instinctual because is kinda implied she always had this strong connection with nature.
The Hilda in this episode is just a barbaric little girl that thinks every problem can be solved with violence and magic become "just being booksmart and being able to memorize stuff" and not the original creative problem solving. I kinda get why they did it, hilda in the comics really doesn't know any magic and her being an witch apprentice would affect too much the end of the season and movie, but the way they did it is what I have a problem with.
The Ultimates
Hank Pym treating his wife Janet Dyne like shit not really an escalation of what previous comics did.
If you mean qrd for ultimates i forgot a long time ago but it was something stupid
This wasn’t character assassination, this was who he really was. He just kept that side of him bottled up and put it behind a “friendly neighbor” mask.
t. modern simpsons writter
Okay dude. Not OP but even I think it was character assassination. They weren’t from him just being a nice overall neighbor, to having a dark secret that he is secretly holding all his region by being a nice guy that uses secret words to hide his rage. And the funny thing is the writer of this episode is only wrote this episode, which is a little bit annoying because he specifically came in to write and dad as a jerk, and then never wrote another episode again for the Simpsons. So this guy clearly did not like Ned.
I never knew that. What the frick.
You can tell that the regular writers of the show did not like how this guy handled Ned because they never mentioned any of this ever again after this episode. But then again, I stopped watching a show after like season 10 so I don’t know if they ever bring it back up again.
And write Ned as a jerk*
that was character assassination
Classic Simpsons had redeemable character assassination though. Nu-Simpsons sticks with it.
Did it though?
Did it really
I still have no idea what the frick the writer was thinking with this episode did he really think people were going to like this change or idea? Not even his fellow riders thought this was going to be a good idea.
The whole plot doesn't even make sense.
Did no one of the Skinner's neighbors or anyone ask themselves why Seymour looks, sounds and acts completely different?
Did no one ever ask him anything mundane but important that Armin couldn't possibly know?
Agnes didn't let her son have a lot of friends
Did she also never let him go to the doctor, either?
Old Skinner didn't give a shit about what his mother wanted
Which is why she was perfectly fine sending the guy off. She wanted a sycophant, not a son.
It's a weird flip-around of the Norman Bates thing that the mother isn't sucessfully domineering and her real son just walked out and she needed a man who would willingly accept being bossed around. It's like one of those S&M couples where the "bottom" is actually calling the shots.
It's a bigger problem that it invalidates Skinner's manchild charecterzation if he didn't even meet his "mother" until he was into his 20s and CHOOSE to stay with her.
And if he's not a manchild who's never gotten out from under his mother thumb, then the joke about his being deeply unfit to educate children doesn't work.
Why the frick can't he just be an overly friendly character?
Why must there always be some sort of special moment in life that explains someones whole behavior ?
I mean they already did an episode several seasons earlier where Ned dreams of shooting Homer and snaps at him during sunday service.
That was a joke gag and not an entire episode about how Ned hated everyone in the town.
Ned doesn't hate everyone in town and he never did. He was just lashing out in a fit of bottled up frustration. People say rotten shit when they're upset enough, and Ned had tolerated more than enough up until that point.
anon, the episode is about Ned's hidden trauma with his parents. He apparently never expresses anger towards others because he got used to repress it as a child. The shooting Homer bit was precisely about Ned dealing with a new found repressed anger issue, is the first time he actually had a problem with someone.
It made sense and was cathartic to a degree. It wasn’t even the first time Ned had shown anger or pettiness, he was pretty heated when Homer argued with him about the boys playing mini golf for instance.
Ned started out as the perfect neighbor with well mannered kids, a doting wife, a successful job and an idyllic home life… and we watched him get abused and disrespected by his neighbor for 8 seasons. The whole town seemingly deciding to ignore the abuse.
So he finally gets pushed to his breaking point, and tells off the whole town. The whole town is put in its place and everyone gains respect for Ned, even Homer albeit briefly. He even goes back to being a good natured doormat by the end.
That’s not assassination, that’s just a brief moment of relief. Assassination would be when the writers decided to turn Mo from an angry bastard to a suicidal loser… although I think he’s now a happily married man?
Edna was also supposed to be better-looking than Marge.
>although I think he’s now a happily married man?
They gave Moe a literal perfect frickdoll wife. He's as happy as anyone can be. Except the next Moe episode after this where he starts coaching Nelson in hockey because he feels like he gets no respect. Even though Maya adores him.
The entirety of civil war for Tony.
Character assassination would have been if this became Ned's normal behavior. This was a one-episode issue about Ned dealing with his repressed anger and disappointment. He never had another moment of overflowing outrage again afterwards.
Nah, it would be assassination if he didn’t feel bad afterwards, and the fact he went to an asylum tells me he did.
This is not a character assassination, when they separated Milhouse's parents and made Kik look bad it was.
the door episode from adventure time
They completely change Hilda's personality and the nature of magic just to work out Frida in to it. Hilda from the start was a tomboyish headstrong girl but that still was sensible and mature for age, her understanding of magic in the first season was almost instinctual because is kinda implied she always had this strong connection with nature.
The Hilda in this episode is just a barbaric little girl that thinks every problem can be solved with violence and magic become "just being booksmart and being able to memorize stuff" and not the original creative problem solving. I kinda get why they did it, hilda in the comics really doesn't know any magic and her being an witch apprentice would affect too much the end of the season and movie, but the way they did it is what I have a problem with.
The whole cartoon-only witch academy stuff was a mistake, they should've kept magic more pagan/nature inspired.
I’m not a huge fan of the witch stuff either, but I’d argue the witches’ magic isn’t really the same as the kind Hilda is used to.
Mabelland and Love God.
I saw something similar on /d/
qrd?
The Ultimates
Hank Pym treating his wife Janet Dyne like shit not really an escalation of what previous comics did.
If you mean qrd for ultimates i forgot a long time ago but it was something stupid
It's character assassination to keep going back to this well well after this was resolved.
who the frick even enjoys reading this trash, pym was my favorite in EMH and was dissapointed at the emotional wreck he is in the comics.
All his criticisms of everyone were completely spot-on and justified.
Man you guys will find anything to act contrarian about, won't you
The series had gone on too long and they needed episode-length stories about secondary characters to keep it running.
Harlay doing evil things to please a man who will never lover her is perfectly in-character. It's the yaas queen shit that's the assassination.
>Ruin a character just for brownie points.
context?
>character assassination
I don't get it, what's Altair doing in the Simpsons?