ITT: Failed pushes

Post characters that got shilled so hard but were never to be as popular as executives and whatnot wanted them to be.
For instance, remember that period in 2022 when DC REALLY wanted Black Adam to be their next big thing?
>Central character in Dark Crisis (the event where they dig through Morrison and Moore's trash) where he Black Adams all over everyone
>Appeared as a post credits scene in the Superpets movie with his dog to sell a fricking sequel where Black Adam's dog fights Krypto
>Put in Fortnite and Multiversus to promote his movie
>Billed as being Superman's rival despite existing as one of Billy's arches
All in all it fell apart because Black Adam flopped so hard that DC had to completely reset their entire cinematic universe.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kamala khan push in mcu doesnt make any sense carol dont have public appearance on earth before avengers endgame film why would some muslim girl idolize her

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Carol shows up on Earth saving Tony in 2018 then goes between Earth and the stars till 2023.
      Ms. Marvel is set in 2025. Kamala was 9 when Captain Marvel showed up in public. That's 7 years to idolize her.
      What's the problem?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Carol shows up on Earth saving Tony in 2018
        She saved him in space, and ate shit against Thanos. Tony died saving everyone.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          5 year gap?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        She saved Tony then went with everyone to kill Thanos, then stayed in space to help the rest of the galaxy, and helped in endgame at the last minute. She didn't get any major showtime for earth to really see. It's loke people cheering for Drax or Groot

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's not the issue.
        It's that she barely has anything to be famous for on earth.
        Her biggest showing would have been when she got lost in the crowd against Thanos.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          she's an Avenger for like five years between 2018 and 2023, even if she only comes to earth once to beat Thanos's ass people would still know who she was after that

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Kamala should be idolizing the guy that sacrificed his life to decimate an army and kill its general, not some rando who got punched into space.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          She's a nerd. Probably picked her cause she's less popular

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >flopped so hard that DC had to completely reset their entire cinematic universe
    At least be more subtle in your bait posting, son.

    Dwayne's Ego (aka Black Adam) was responsible for two of your four points but the Cult Leader's vision for the DCEU had already failed by the post release failure of the Josstice League (which includes the ancillary failure on cable, and streaming) and notwithstanding that the REEElease Bots managed to con Warner Media out of a further $70M, it was THAT four hour long shitfest NOT paying off that started the formal planning that culminated in Gunn and Safran new DCU.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean true but Black Adam failing when DC wanted it to be their next big thing so badly since it was in production for so many years and Rock made them think it was more important than it was was probably a death knell.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the cult leader
      >josstice
      >REEElease Bots
      You’re remarkably autistic anon. I’m not even wading into OP’s stupidity, but you genuinely need to get off the internet.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        have a nice day Snyder homosexual

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Im not even a Snyder fan. This is exactly my point bro. Your entire life is seemingly dedicated to online beefs about dudes who will never know you exist. Grow up.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The only grown up action is to oppose Snyder at all times. Save yourself.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nta but people are mocking other fans here as well

        Don't talk like one of those X-gays with an insane persecution complex. Despite the comics attempting to reinvent the Inhumans as replacement X-Men, the show stuck closer to the original concept, and had nothing to do with X-Men at all. In the 2010s the MCU was absolutely mogging Fox's X-Men movies and proving they didn't need them, and Inhumans wasn't "Marvel sticking it to Fox by making their own X-Men" because they were nothing alike on a conceptual level.

        It's hard to escape the conclusion that the MCU would be in a healthier state today if Ike had been kept around so he and Feige both balanced each other out and each had someone that could say no to them.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Black Adam’s big push was in the 2000s when he was a general DC villain and he was constantly fighting heroes and portrayed like a major threat. The movie happened in the first place because of that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly, that had more to do with DC wanting to do a big Middle Eastern story. Black Adam was the biggest Middle Eastern villain outside of Ra's al Ghul and Capt. Marvel just so happened to be on the JSA, So Adam was revealed to have ACTUALLY been from some other country called Kahndaq, which he sought to violently "free" from its dictatorship; installing himself as its leader.
      Now DC had an ambiguously evil character who could beat Superman in a fight leading his own Middle Eastern nation.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Billed as being Superman's rival despite existing as one of Billy's arches
    So fricking weird and stupid. Like imagine if the Joker started exclusively fighting Green Arrow.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      DC and Marvel do that fairly often though. No one remembers King Shark was a Superboy villain originally

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The difference is that King Shark does not need Superboy at all, meanwhile Black Adam powers and backstory are directly linked to Shazam.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not surprising, a lot of villains take off and move on to better heroes that match them more. Like Sabertooth, Beetle, Apocalypse, Killer Frost, Annihilus, Adam Warlock was just a second rate Thor villain for a while. Same with a few heralds.

        Rhino made a more fun Hulk villain
        Henshaw is a better GL villain
        Sandman was a major FF villain for a couple decades

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh like when they tried really really hard to make Deathstroke a Green Arrow villain.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Comic book characters steal villains all the time, though. Clock King was a Green Arrow villain, the Ultra Humanite was a Superman villain, the Kingpin was originally a Spider-man villain, etc. If we go with villains who were originally rivals for a whole hero team but ended up as villains for 1 guy or a different team, it is even worse.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the Kingpin was originally a Spider-man villain
        He still is.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Ultra Humanite was a Superman villain
        huh, but he was recently in the superman comics

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Haha imagine if they had Darkseid be Superman's villain

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >B-but her first movie made a billion!
    It was released right before Endgame, after previously being teased in Infinity War where her debut would be treated as a big deal.
    She also has totally failed at being Marvel's Wonder Woman. Normies think of Black Widow, Wanda and many X-Women before her on the list of "beloved female Marvel characters".

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yea Carol will always be the queen of the failed push, I don't know if any character has ever been pushed as hard and for as long as her with such underwhelming results

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's only been a decade or so. X-23 has been pushed twice as long with even worse results.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm honestly surprised with all the hate this movie DESERVEDLY got that almost no one brought up how big of a fricking lie it was. They acted like she was gonna be the main character of Endgame but she had a collective 3 minutes of screentime at the very start and the very end. I wasted time and money watching her horribly written, directed, and acted solo-film just for there to be barely any payoff. You'd think all the MCU haters and detractors would point as this movie being the falling off point for the franchise as Marvel just lied and trolled us as blatantly as possible, but it's so forgettable i guess it doesn't even ping on their radars.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The problem with Carol is that every writer at Marvel suddenly got brainworms telling them that a character being a total b***h and just rude to everyone will make them popular.

      To this day, I haven't seen Captain Marvel because Carol has two moods in all the promotional materal: Dead or condescending

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Was the reason why Marvel decided to push her instead of any of the in-house women like Widow and Wanda merely because they didn't want to pay Johansson and Olsen anymore? I can't think of any other reason

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I remember people who hated this movie were branded as incels. Once I said alita was better movie that captain Marvel and the girl looked at me like a school shooter.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shew was getting her cancelled and restarted on the yearly basis, Thompson lasting long completely surprised everyone not only due to Carol's record but because Thompson also couldn't sell a book to save her life. Seems like the latest run is a return to form though, it seems like it's only hitting ten chapters since it was absent from the august solicitations. Even the secondary Inhumans books lasted longer. Yet Carol will come back again because she is Feige's good list

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Harley Quinn and the Suicide Squad.
    I’ll never understand who pushed for Harley to go solo rather can continue being a support villain. Its like someone just hyper focused on that one episode of poison ivy and her and decided to just run on the premise of that episode for so many years down the line.

    Now you got this knock off Harley with this corporate mandated design.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why the frick does Joker look so damn old and ugly all the time? Was Arkham Origins really his best design?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Tiny Titans Duela is top 3 Duelas for me.
        Along with OG Duela and Gotham Knights Duela.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Whatever happened with Gotham Knights?
          Died anyone else assume Turner Hayes was an alt-earth Dick Grayson living under an assumed identity to escape the Court of Owls?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The show is deader than Lincoln since it was so shit and got curb stomped by reviewers

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Its the same mentality that killed Kamala: look, a temporary sucess! lets make this character into the new Spider-Man! Lets make movies, crossovers and toys!
        What do you mean we killed all the hype putting the horse before the cart?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Harley Quinn
      I wouldn't count her as a failure despite your personal dislike. Suicide Squad is definitely being pushed more than it should though.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Guardians of the Galaxy movies did well but they could never translate that success to the comics.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You could make the same argument for more than half the MCU characters. The MCU was really driven by charismatic actors which is hard to translate to comics.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's just adaptations in general never affecting comic sales. Exceptions to this are incredibly rare.

      It's just more noticeable with things like Guardians of the Galaxy or Ant-Man who were minor comic characters with niche fanbases yet their movies completely mogged characters that comic fans see as Marvel and DC's big guns.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The movie Guardians had Gunn while the comics at the time had Bendis

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Duggans gotg was good but big evebt spoiled it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You say that like it matters. The movies are way more important that the comics at this point

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The fact that the GOTG got a movie at all just 7years after that incarnation of the team came into being is a testament to the comics doing well enough.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The movie Guardians had Gunn while the comics at the time had Bendis

      Abnet & Lanning's Guardians of the Galaxy laid the groundwork for what would become movie GotG. Too bad those two had a falling out, they should've kickstarted another Marvel Cosmic event.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It was kind of the opposite. Guardians was doing great during Annihilation and War of Kings and was popular enough to merit making a movie out of that incarnation of the team.

      It was just post movie when writers kept fricking with the formula and then arbitrarily changing characters to match movie counterparts that fricked everything up.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When was the last time the Inhumans had a major role in a big comic storyline?
    They just kinda faded away from relevance as soon as Krakoa happened.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Boco

      >When was the last time the Inhumans had a major role in a big comic storyline?

      Death of the Inhumans. Which was in response to the show flopping.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Ike makes Marvel show which is supposedly his dream project
        >but he doesn't want to spend any money
        They never stood a chance.

        Marvel's subsequent handling of the Inhumans since Ike got ousted seems less like the normal response to a failed push and more like a combination of spite, and appeasement of the X-Men fanbase who were seething about Inhumans, as if they were still a big enough fanbase that needed to be appeased like that.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Boco

          It was never a dream project. He only made it out of spite towards Fox, ad if he drags everyone else down with him, so be it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Don't talk like one of those X-gays with an insane persecution complex. Despite the comics attempting to reinvent the Inhumans as replacement X-Men, the show stuck closer to the original concept, and had nothing to do with X-Men at all. In the 2010s the MCU was absolutely mogging Fox's X-Men movies and proving they didn't need them, and Inhumans wasn't "Marvel sticking it to Fox by making their own X-Men" because they were nothing alike on a conceptual level.

            It's hard to escape the conclusion that the MCU would be in a healthier state today if Ike had been kept around so he and Feige both balanced each other out and each had someone that could say no to them.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Boco

              No? Perlmutter had a personal grudge with Tom Rothman over at Fox, and purposefully tried to downplay or kill the X-Men to frick over Fox. Are you forgetting Marvel vs Capcom Infinite?

              He picked Inhumans to be a "close enough".

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                FOX purposefully made bad, cheap movies using Marvel properties to try and extort Marvel into buying them back. FOX had no interest in making those movies, they threatened to do it every time the rights were coming up to the end of their period just to renew them for another decade. They did it with Daredevil and Marvel waited them out, so when they did it with Fantastic Four and Marvel tried to wait them out again, bearing in mind FOX had already pretty much fricked both Daredevil's and FF's rights in even their own estimation and made them worthless, FOX just straight up let Josh Trank do what he wanted and got a trainwreck for their trouble. And the whole time they were making so-so or outright bad X-Men movies. Of the 13 movies they made 7 are terrible and 2 are Deadpool (which is also the major money maker of the franchise, closely followed by Jennifer Lawrence when she was young and people cared). They kept threatening to make that shitty Gambit movie that everyone except Channing Tatum could see was going to be fricking terrible, they threatened to make a Silver Surfer solo movie and I swear only stopped because they realized the contract wouldn't renew unless it was an FF movie in title and main character appearances. About ten years ago for a whole weekend Mark Millar was going to be FOX's Kevin Feige until he told the press his plan was to make a bootleg MCU with FOX-owned properties "filling in the gaps" between MCU movies, but never actually crossing over (which Sony also wasn't doing at the time and Murdoch would never have allowed anyway). Then the lawyers stepped in and Mark Millar was no longer FOX's Kevin Feige after literally a weekend because apparently using the word "bootleg" to describe your plans for a cinematic universe is a dumb thing to do.

                If it hadn't been for JLaw getting big from Hunger Games, nobody would even have watched those fricking reboot X-Men movies. Ike didn't do shit to kill them that FOX wasn't already doing.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why?
                Should they just allowed everyone to do what the frick their want, if the only plan they had was to nenew copyright?
                Instead, they hellbent on do nothing, like Reynold
                and his Deadpool

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >It's hard to escape the conclusion that the MCU would be in a healthier state today if Ike had been kept around so he and Feige both balanced each other out and each had someone that could say no to them.

              If Ike was there, so would Quesada and Bendis since they were part of the Creative Committee. Everyone insistent that Feige is ruining Marvel with woke and needs Ike to keep him in check forgets that Bendis co-created Ironheart

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              why are MCU movies not mogging Fox-Men anymore then?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They don't exist anymore.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon Fox' been dead for like 5 years now

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I remember people thinking it was to let the heat cool down or because writers didn't want to use them after getting them pushed onto them. But now that we that at least Rainbow Rowell and Stever Orlando want to use them and got shut down by their editors. That it's a call up top. Not to mention Kamala being turned into a mutant being a direct order from Fiege. I didn't believe I thought Iman saying she liked the Inhumans was just lip service but she might be legit consider her mini is the only one book that mentions them or Kamala being half Inhuman, even getting Medusa and Karnak is the last chapter.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If you think about it, once the Inhumans stop being pushed as the X-Men replacement, they function as a much more casual X-Men replacement. That is, it allows you to have a background that can excuse any power, and having it appear out of nowhere. It gives you a ready made cast and lore to interact with. But unlike the X-Men, being an Inhuman doesn't take over the character. You can use it and then ignore it for the character as you want.

            Kamala herself is an excellent example of this. As an Inhuman, it gave her a tie to the larger universe and access to their shit, but otherwise it was all her own stories and motivations. Meanwhile, as soon as she's an X-Men it's suddenly about how she's a MUTANT and has MUTANT ISSUES and people HATE her because she's a MUTANT. Including Emma going "ah, you think you know what racism is because you're a brown muslim, but actually you know NOTHING about how MUTANTS are treated!"

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Why have Inhumans when we have X-Men?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I literally just described why: it let's you do X-Men-like shit without being absorbed into the gigantic abomination that is the X-Men franchise. When a character is an Inhuman, it's just a bullet point in their backstory. If they're a mutant, they're now inescapably tied to the X-Men brand.

                If Kamala had been an mutant to begin with, do you think she'd have seen the even modest success she managed to get back then? No, because it would've immediately become another fricking X-Men book with all that entails.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because before the push they were NEVER intended to be like the X-Men in any way. The Inhumans weren't even superheroes really, they were simply an isolationist civilization where the royal family was the focus. The themes of prejudice and discrimination were only enforced in the 10's (Jenkin's run has humanity waring against them but not for any racial reasoning), and the characters themselves mainly dealt with family and sometimes political feuds. As some have suggested, the push really should have avoided the whole discrimination angle and instead go for a sort of GOT-like space opera.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ideally you wouldn't use them for the same things. The Inhumans don't match up with the X-men style and it was plain to see with how much that they had to change or ignore about them for the push. They care little about human affairs, they aren't fighting racism, they weren't a puberty metaphor, they weren't all over the planet popping up all. They couldn't be any random person, Inhuman genetics require a direct line of heredity unlike the X-gene popping up whenever it pleases. Even if you had that you still needed Terrigen. The push has convinced people that Inhumans were X-men rip offs when they aren't, and ironically most of the overlap is shit that the did have the Inhumans were doing first. The mutants were still working the radiation angle when the Inhumans were revealed to be their own race. The Inhumans being made by the kree was a thing before the Celestials existed let alone were credited with making the X-gene. Not to mention Attilan being around before Genosha, krakoa, asteroid M or any other mutant nation storyline.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Marvel's subsequent handling of the Inhumans since Ike got ousted seems less like the normal response to a failed push and more like a combination of spite, and appeasement of the X-Men fanbase who were seething about Inhumans, as if they were still a big enough fanbase that needed to be appeased like that.
          Were you underage during that era or something? X-gays were pissed because they were being shat on every two seconds

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They were always a footnote. Inhumans only really served as a wacky scifi/fantasy place for heroes to stop off at and notice when they occasionally went to the moon for about 30 years. Attilan was just another interesting comic location like Atlantis, Wakanda, Latveria, or Genosha.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Inhuman's push was so relentless that Marvel tried to genocide the X-Men so they could slot the Inhumans into their place. To this day, that was the most fricking insane thing Marvel's ever done.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    his movie was supposed to come out with the rock. instead it was 10 year delay and now everyone is gay in dc, so black adam would have to throw them off rooftops and that isnt allowed.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kamala Khan
    Carol Danvers
    Any inhuman
    Jane Foster
    Riri Williams
    Sam Alexander

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sam was reasonable as they just wanted the new Nov to be used up. Like whenever they want the newest robin to get the spot light

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Riri Williams

      Wow, I forgot all about her.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Riri Williams

      If the MCU hadn’t ended early and Robert Downey Jr stuck around, Ironman 4 would have propelled her to being as popular Miles. Im sure of it.

      >Carol Danvers

      Obvious bias. We get it anon, you dont like her.

      >Kamala Khan

      Bullshit. Shes fairly popular.

      >Any inhuman

      Agree.

      >Jane Foster

      Agreed. Her movie flopped and so did her runs.

      >Sam Alexander

      Nova got sidelined in general by the Guardians of the Galaxy doing so well. The MCU influence fricked Nova over.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Reddit spacing
        Yep, it's a Caroltroony

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Bullshit. Shes fairly popular.
        Every single books she has had for the last like five years has bombed, she straight up sells worse than the Inhumans you agreed about. Kamala has a vocal fanbase and gets praised by the comic media but nobody is buying. Her movie was a bigger flop than jane's. Kamala checks all the boxes the other ones do with one exception being that the company hasn't given up her like it did the rest.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Carol Danvers

      This is the obvious one. EVERY series with the character has flopped. And yet they never stop pushing her and have been doing it since the 70s.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dazzler has to be up there. It was unbelievable to me when I read 80s Marvel just how hard Jim Shooter pushed her, to the point of forcing every other comic to mention the events of his "Dazzler: The Movie" OGN.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I can't tell if the resurgence of Dazzler fans online is ironic or not

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It helps that she's shown up in one of the few unapologetically cheesecake books in recent years.
        You just have to ignore the writing and focus entirely on the art to make it worthwhile

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think it mostly has to do with the rumor of her appearing on DP3, and that itself mostly for Taylor Swift apparently playing her

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Considering her origin it was likely a case of feeling like they had to in order to get some return on investment.

      I can't tell if the resurgence of Dazzler fans online is ironic or not

      Dazzler's "fans" are mostly gaygays and people who like her because they like the concept of pop star superhero even though there's not a single person writing for American comics who could make it work. They try and push her once a decade but she's just not that good or interesting so it inevitably fails. They do the same thing with Armor because they think her being Japanese will appeal to people who like manga.

      Dazzler and Armor are who you put in your book when someone else has already claimed Jubilee.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kinda of a novice comic fan here but what was with her in the 00’s? She was around for a while and suddenly she started popping up in a bunch of different events and team ups and even got her own movie. It doesn’t seem like they used as much afterwards besides making her also Daredevil(which is moronic)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      She was hot and since that's not in vogue anymore she gets less push.
      I don't know if this is controversial but I like her Daredevil costume

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        When she was revealed as daredevil. Everyone's reaction was why it wasn't done before. It wasn't treated like forced push. She earned it.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does picrel count? Hasbro didn't exactly push Roddy so much as they said "here's your new Autobot leader, doesn't he look cool? Buy the toy"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ironically ever since they stopped making Hot Rod the next in the Prime succession he's got widely more accepted by the fanbase.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Rodimus is a great character, he reminds me of Wally West. Having a hero who has to fill the boots of such a legendary figure while suffering from imposter syndrome despite being completely worthy of their position makes for an interesting story. The season 3 cast was only disliked because it was different.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Black Adam is a victim of the Rock and synergy. He was a pretty popular character among readers until they started trying to make him the central hero because of the movie instead of the thing readers like (Captain Marvel + Namor + Punisher).

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    she flopped so hard people dont even remember she was a thing.

    they even had the audcity to give her a tv. which got canned after 2 episodes.

    Lmfao

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nothing beats Naomi.

      Bendis really made a half assed OC, ruined supersons, and the legion of superheros then ran into the sunset. lmao

      gotta respect it.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like Black Adam, but not as this pathetic cucked out anti hero.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Love no one even bothers bringing up Amadeus Cho in these discussions. Might be the worst offender here

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      worse enough he already had a notable character identity separate from the Hulk. The identity as the smartest kid prodigy in the Marvel universe. So many directions to take the character, and they just stick him as another version of the Hulk

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He didn’t do much with the smarts. They just used it to wank him as a character. Cho fricking sucked and felt extremely forced.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, if I wrote Cho, I would write a villain for him that despised him for his intelligence and how the world pampers him for it, so he steals a bunch of tech to create a brain drain machine to use on every smart person and drain them of their intelligence while the machine adds to his own, then he plans to use the machine on Cho himself. However since he knows Cho would figure out his plan and stop him if he faced him directly, so he comes up with a plan to confuse and bewilder him with super powered villains, hallucinogens and clones. And when Cho is distracted...He gets his chance

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      worse enough he already had a notable character identity separate from the Hulk. The identity as the smartest kid prodigy in the Marvel universe. So many directions to take the character, and they just stick him as another version of the Hulk

      I never got why they did this.
      He was also introduced with a connection to Banner, but when he actually became a Hulk they pretty much never interacted with each other.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It never felt like he got a particularly strong push and it's important to remember that him being the Hulk was penned by Greg Pak, who's the guy who came up with the character way back when and used him to great effect in his Hercules series after writing like the one modern Hulk series people seem to give a shit about.

      I still never really gelled with the Cho Hulk run, but I don't really categorize it as being noteworthy, diversity push-wise, because it just felt like a writer wanting to do something with his pet character. Obviously it helps he's asian and thus they can push him in various WE'RE DIVERSE, LOOK AT ALL OUR ASIANS events, but Greg Pak has enough established cred that his actual run never felt like some insane push. Just a misfire run. Also worth noting Amadeus coming into his own as a successor to a big buff hero was kind of always his thing, which also explains why him succeeding the Hulk feels so weird since his most famous role is his bromance with Hercules and being HIS successor.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      worse enough he already had a notable character identity separate from the Hulk. The identity as the smartest kid prodigy in the Marvel universe. So many directions to take the character, and they just stick him as another version of the Hulk

      Worse still is that he already had a Hulk form that they could have used.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How come Deadpool is the only one who successed getting pushed in modern era?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      As a classic Deadpool fan. The Deadpool who got pushed is not Deadpool.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        eh, i would say Moviepool was closer to Classicpool than Waypool

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          First movie . Yes. But ever since Tim miller left comic accuracy is getting ignored and too much gay jokes and cursing creeped in.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the actor is really into it and it shows

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You now remember that time when Marvel tried to make Squirrel Girl a thing

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Squirrel girl was just a joke, and when you tell the same joke over and over again. it stops being funny if the joke was ever funny in the first place that is

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeah, then explain Deadpool then

        How come Deadpool is the only one who successed getting pushed in modern era?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Checked
        She's funny in her first Ditko-drawn appearance, where she's this deliberately moronic wannabe-superhero who bugs the shit out of Iron Man and then gets to save him from Dr Doom. But the character doesn't work when they try to make her a serious superhero

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Literally every capeshit character who isn't Batman. And the only reason he didn't flop is because humans seem purpose built to worship white billionaires.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >humans seem purpose built to worship white billionaires
      yeah, then explain why Green Arrow not being popular then

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like Black Adam in the comics, especially in 52/WW3 and Tomasi. But the movie left me feeling empty. It was handled similarly to Reynolds Lantern.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Comics
    It's a running joke how many relaunches she's gotten.
    >Games
    Most of them are dismal flops.
    >MCU
    The Marvels proved that her success was entirely due to being wedged between Infinity War and Endgame, and is currently the biggest financial failure in the MCU.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >All these comments saying Carol
    Sure is Casualgate in here.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Any GL after Cruz, really. Cruz was alright but she is the most memorable at her DCSHG version, and that was as far from comic Jess as you can get.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Marrow.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Pichu, plus and minus were worse.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Okay, BUT
    Name one character that actually land when they got shilled hard

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      She had fans during her insane phase. Couples used to cosplay as joker and harley. DC trannies saw her popularity and made her into anti-hero victim. The cosplayers cosplay solo now bashing joker.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ironheart is a total failure and her Disney+ show will flop worse than Ms. Marvel
    People have completely forgotten she was introduced in Wakanda Forever too, a completely pointless character besides Black Girl Magic ®

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Let throw black character into movie with only black cast
      of course everyone forgot about her

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If she'd been introduced with her Champions/Ewing persona and name (Ironheart identity/suit, autistic personality that makes her a social disaster and in need of humbling) then I think she would have been reasonably better received and had more of a chance. But Bendis was in full on "I'm introducing characters for clout/royalty purposes" mode and that killed her from the start.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    *AHEM*

    Internet gas

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >"You WILL view him as DC's flagship black hero so there can be a token black dude in the Justice League whether or not you want to."

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The issue is, DC has literally zero good black heroes.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I never got how Black Adam had such a big comics push in the 00s when Captain Marvel remained a second rate, barely noticed Superman knockoff the entire time.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      because the Marvel family represented everything the Didio era of DC HATED- truly fun, wholesome heroes who didn't really have much in the way of mental scars
      Black Adam was a flying brick with a nation he ran that a 2000's era DC that desperately wanted to be Marvel could use as their Doctor Doom/Namor type antihero. Him being a CM character was almost irrelevant, he was just a Superman-powered hero with enough of a history to feel legitimate, given his pedigree as the first superhero opposite-number
      This was the era where the JLI reunion book did a joke about what if wholesome, sweet Mary was a loose dominatrix in a parallel universe, and they loved this joke so much they did it legitimately two more times.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Johns was rising/DC's big writer and readers liked how he used him..

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Remember evil Black Bolt?

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Carol Danvers as Captain Marvel

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