ITT: movies that don't make sense

ITT: movies that don't make sense

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    everyone forgets that at the end his short-term memory issue still isnt fixed, he's going to continue being a confused useless moron for life even if he (for one day at least) gets the satisfaction that he had murdered his wife's killers and the guy that was using him (rip off storyline from ichi the killer).
    shit movie but deserving of at least one watch i guess.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >shit movie but deserving of at least one watch i guess.
      yeah i mean, see if I care, it's shit anyway but whatever, waste your time if you want, your life

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it's whatever, watch it once, maybe, barely, doesn't matter. it's a shit movie.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            no im the guy u replied to, im asking what this means, are u making fun of me? i dont get it

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Something something BBC something something burgues something something nolan slop

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >(rip off storyline from ichi the killer).
      holy frick I hate zoomers so fricking much.
      Memento (2000)
      Ichi the Killer (2001)

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Itchy the Killer [manga] (1993)
        >Itchy the Killer [hentai manga] (1995)
        holy sneed, I dislike elderly people very much

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        dumb frick, the Ichi the Killer movie (which doesn’t even portray a third of the manga's glory and great writing) came out BEFORE memento, a cheap copy. the whole trope of taking advantage of someone with some sort of mental vulnerability by wrongly pointing him to men with the false info that they are responsible for wronging him is done far better in Ichi the Killer, keep coping nolangay.

        >Itchy the Killer [manga] (1993)
        >Itchy the Killer [hentai manga] (1995)
        holy sneed, I dislike elderly people very much

        based

        guess you also forgot he also killed the cop who was manipulating him initially to kill various petty criminals under the guise of each of them being the guy who raped and killed his wife. maybe you also have anterograde amnesia
        anyway possibly the best nolan flick althougheverbeit the prestige is a very close contender if not the better of the two. haven't seen following or insomnia yet but i watched inception and interstellar and they were both mediocre. don't watch capeshit

        do YOU have anterograde amnesia?
        i clearly acknowledged that he does kill the cop in the end in that very post youre replying to
        >gets the satisfaction that he had murdered his wife's killers and the guy that was using him
        >althougheverbeit the prestige is a very close
        The Prestige isnt "very close", The Prestige IS the best nolan film, without a doubt.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          everyone forgets that at the end his short-term memory issue still isnt fixed, he's going to continue being a confused useless moron for life even if he (for one day at least) gets the satisfaction that he had murdered his wife's killers and the guy that was using him (rip off storyline from ichi the killer).
          shit movie but deserving of at least one watch i guess.

          Hello weeb-troons.
          > In July 1996, brothers Christopher and Jonathan Nolan took a cross-country road trip from Chicago to Los Angeles, as Christopher was relocating his home to the West Coast. During the drive, Jonathan pitched the story for the film to his brother, who responded enthusiastically to the idea.[12] After they arrived in Los Angeles, Jonathan left for Washington, D.C., to finish college at Georgetown University. The mysterious killer character known only as "John G." was actually an homage to Jonathan's Georgetown University screenwriting professor at the time, John Glavin.[13] Christopher repeatedly asked Jonathan to send him a first draft, and after a few months, Jonathan complied.[14] Two months later, Christopher came up with the idea to tell the film backwards, and began to work on the screenplay. Jonathan wrote the short story simultaneously, and the brothers continued to correspond, sending each other subsequent revisions of their respective works.[15] Christopher initially wrote the script as a linear story, and then would "go back and reorder it the way it is on screen to check the logic of it."[16] Nolan was also influenced by the short story "Funes the Memorious" by Jorge Luis Borges. "I think Memento is a strange cousin to 'Funes the Memorious'—about a man who remembers everything, who can't forget anything. It's a bit of an inversion of that."

          Read some actual literature.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Weebs have always been the same. Desperate to have their shlock elevated by attaching it to superior works.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You forgot the most important thing. The script was in the hands of a producer by 1997.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Anyone who watches Memento and Ichi and thinks one is copying the other is moronic.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            not sure what some self proclaimed memories/ words of his own with no proof provided is somehow showing that he didnt rip off ichi the killer but okay lol, do you think he'd just voluntarily and publicly make it known that he copies other people's stuff?
            funnies part is his execution on said trop is shit and there's no effort or soul put into it just
            >le main character is le crazy plot, oh why's he crazy.. cuz uh.. braindamage! no no we shouldnt build any actual backstory or psychological reasonings to his character being crazy, he just got hit in the head! good enough!
            so fricking lazy. no wonder Nolan's only good movie's foundation plot is from a book and not his own creativity.

            >rip off storyline from ichi the killer
            It's similar only in it's core - manipulated to kill for someone else. The execution is completely different.

            execution doesn’t matter, the fact that both the manga (the original) and the movie centers around and it's main plot/ moving of the plot is driven by that same trope is proof enough.
            and its not just " manipulated to kill for someone else" its the way both the cop and the equivalent character in Ichi the Killer play the part of being friend/ wanting to the best for the main character despite just using him.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >not sure what some self proclaimed memories/ words of his own with no proof provided is somehow showing that he didnt rip off ichi the kille
              It's documented

              You forgot the most important thing. The script was in the hands of a producer by 1997.

              that the screenplay was already submitted to producers by 1997 and was optioned . You're too low iq to understand that films don't made in a day. Unless you're a famous filmmaker it takes years for a screenplay to get made into a film. The screeplay was sold for $4.5 million in 1997.
              > In July 1997, Christopher Nolan's girlfriend (later wife) Emma Thomas showed his screenplay to Aaron Ryder, an executive for Newmarket Films. Ryder said the script was, "perhaps the most innovative script I had ever seen",[20] and soon after, it was optioned by Newmarket and given a budget of $4.5 million.

              Sorry to break it to you pal but nobody was copying a third rate manga like Ichi the killer.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lol okay so? screenplay can be faked and the film/scene/dialogue/ actual shit on screen execution matters more anyways, and it so obviously inspired by Ichi the Killer which is not some "third rate manga" it's a masterpiece.
                >my beloved popular nolan movie didnt copy the manga cuz its not well known!
                do you live ur life in numbers? popularity? searching the highs and lows for which thing is popular and well liked so you can then decide to watch/ look into it so you too can be apart of the mindless herd only attracted to what the masses think of said content and not the content itself. you should grow up.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >lol okay so? screenplay can be faked
                Someone brought a fake screenplay for $4.5 million. What do you think they were buying ? Some set of empty papers because they had a premonition that a shitty manga called Ichi the killer would be released which they could copy?

                No studio is paying $4.5 million for a "fake screenplay". You lost and instead of admitting you're wrong you're doubling down making yourself look even more moronic.

                I think it's you who needs to grow up because anime has given you brainrot and killed whatever critical thinking skills you might've had.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i was clearly not talking about the money/relevance/ substance of a screenplay in general, i was talking about that dumb paragraph interview thing that other anon posted here of what seems to be nolan talking about how he got to "writing" the story/screenplay.
                you do realize that changes to how the film is actually shot/portrayed to viewers can be changed during filming? they dont stick to the screenplay 100%, anyone with a brain can see obvious influence from ichi the killer.
                >I think it's you who needs to grow up because anime has given you brainrot and killed whatever critical thinking skills you might've had.
                first off, its a manga, not an anime, no cringe voice acting, no vibrant unnatural colors, no shitty animation, manga is superior to anime, do not compare them

                Yes, Black person, are you fricking moronic? I also read the oneshot about Ichi getting into a fight near some club or some shit.
                I would never compare it to Memento.

                > I would never compare it to Memento.
                im comparing the use of the trope, and how its portrayed in action in ichi the killer (the original) to memento (the copy), i am not comparing them objective wise, one is a well done masterpiece with good writing of characters, built in story trauma that explains why characters are the way they are, and doesn’t take cheap cuts in an attempt to appear "deep" and the other is memento.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you do realize that changes to how the film is actually shot/portrayed to viewers can be changed during filming?
                Vast majority of time films don't change during filming especially at the basic conceptual level because that's moronic and it will bloat your budget. An actor may adlib a line or drop it but those stories of drastically changing the entire story are rare and those that do are recorded. You're arguing it's a cheap knockoff but the screenplay was valued precisely because of its concept and structure both of which is intrinsically tied to the retrograde amnesiac revenge aspect of the story. There's 0 logic to your claims and there's 0 proof as well.
                >first off, its a manga, not an anime
                Same cringe tropes and garbage storytelling.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Vast majority
                okay? vast majority doesn’t cover 100%, meaning nolan's shitfest could be that small demographic of films that arent in the "vast majority"
                >You're arguing it's a cheap knockoff
                no, the movie itself is not cheap, im saying the way they did the trope is cheap, not my fault the film just so happens to be surrounded by said trope. in Ichi the killer, they actually have built up storytelling and psychological reasonings behind why ichi is manipulated easily and why he is the way he is, in the case of memento, its just a boring ole "dudes break in, he hits head, wife dies"
                wow bravo nolan! bravo!!
                >Same cringe tropes and garbage storytelling.
                unless you have read the manga, i dont care what you have to say.

                >im comparing the use of the trope, and how its portrayed
                And those are completely different. Did Ichi riped off Berserk because both of them have violent characters with trauma?

                ask urself, how common is it to see violent character with trauma in media vs the trope in ichi the killer and memento in media?
                one is significantly more popular than the other.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >okay? vast majority doesn’t cover 100%, meaning nolan's shitfest could be that small demographic of films that arent in the "vast majority"
                And I also said.
                >rare and those that do are recorded.
                You need to show that the original screenplay was different and was changed mid production because of some irrlevant garbage manga. You're not claiming that some extra line was added or some visual was stolen but that the basic concept was copied.

                They didn't buyva screenplay for big money and completely rewrite the film, there is no info about the film being re-written during production. The script that was used for shooting is available online and yep, it's the same.

                As I said, your claim it's a copy is fanfiction. A desperate attempt elevate Ichi by associating it with a superior, more acclaimed work.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                annoying homosexual, i dont wish to go back and forth with you on this anymore.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dumb moronic homosexuals like you should stick to Cinemaphile instead of infesting Cinemaphile with your worship of garbage.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                its a fricking manga not anime, holy shit get it right you reatrd

                >vs the trope in ichi the killer and memento in media?
                What trope? You boiled it down to "violent guy with trauma". So yes, Ichi is a copy of Berserk. You have as much evidence as U do.

                no, i didnt dumb it down to that, you are lying,my exact words:

                dumb frick, the Ichi the Killer movie (which doesn’t even portray a third of the manga's glory and great writing) came out BEFORE memento, a cheap copy. the whole trope of taking advantage of someone with some sort of mental vulnerability by wrongly pointing him to men with the false info that they are responsible for wronging him is done far better in Ichi the Killer, keep coping nolangay.
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                based
                [...]
                do YOU have anterograde amnesia?
                i clearly acknowledged that he does kill the cop in the end in that very post youre replying to
                >gets the satisfaction that he had murdered his wife's killers and the guy that was using him
                >althougheverbeit the prestige is a very close
                The Prestige isnt "very close", The Prestige IS the best nolan film, without a doubt.

                >the whole trope of taking advantage of someone with some sort of mental vulnerability by wrongly pointing him to men with the false info that they are responsible for wronging him

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                meant for

                Dumb moronic homosexuals like you should stick to Cinemaphile instead of infesting Cinemaphile with your worship of garbage.

                anime and manga are different with manga allowing for much more character building and story, you dumbing it down to anime is a disgrace.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>the whole trope of taking advantage of someone with some sort of mental vulnerability by wrongly pointing him to men with the false info that they are responsible for wronging him
                Brainwashing and manipulation through false memories was already done by the manchurian candidate. This is just a minor variation of it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >vs the trope in ichi the killer and memento in media?
                What trope? You boiled it down to "violent guy with trauma". So yes, Ichi is a copy of Berserk. You have as much evidence as U do.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >im comparing the use of the trope, and how its portrayed
                And those are completely different. Did Ichi riped off Berserk because both of them have violent characters with trauma?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >execution doesn’t matter
              It matters the most. If we are to use your reductive approach - every revenge flick is a ripoff of ripoff, every creature feature, every love triangle drama.
              Memento's main shtick is about unreliable asynchronous narration and reveal at the end. You don't even know that the protagonist is being used till the end.
              Ichi is a character driven drama with bunch of personal stories interwined. Jacked with ultraviolence to the gills.
              I would've never compared those two if you wouldn't mention it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                have you even read the manga? if not then your opinion means nothing to me, i'd rather conversate with a sewer rat.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, Black person, are you fricking moronic? I also read the oneshot about Ichi getting into a fight near some club or some shit.
                I would never compare it to Memento.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          My bad dude, I was hanging out at the beach, surfing and skateboarding almost everyday in the 90s in my teens. I only know of Ichi from catching it on TV on IFC 20 years ago. It always stuck with me but I am not the weeb type. Anime will never be my thing, you can have that one.
          You seem really angry though, relish in your one small victory in life.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            dont belittle me

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hahaha

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      guess you also forgot he also killed the cop who was manipulating him initially to kill various petty criminals under the guise of each of them being the guy who raped and killed his wife. maybe you also have anterograde amnesia
      anyway possibly the best nolan flick althougheverbeit the prestige is a very close contender if not the better of the two. haven't seen following or insomnia yet but i watched inception and interstellar and they were both mediocre. don't watch capeshit

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >rip off storyline from ichi the killer
      It's similar only in it's core - manipulated to kill for someone else. The execution is completely different.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's the whole fricking point you dipshit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How did you miss that that's the entire point of the movie when the ending has a scene explaining that thoroughly? are you moronic or something?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i get what happened, i was pointing out how dumb it was.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What's dumb about it? The fact that Leonard is a dangerous moron going around killing people without really knowing what he's doing is literally the point of the film. It's not supposed to have be a neat happy ending.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >explains why its dumb in the very post he replied to
            >proceeds to ask "hows it dumb?"

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Your argument that it's dumb makes no sense. You think it's dumb because Lenny won't remember anything that happened and will just carry on being a moron, but that's literally the point of the movie. Nothing he does will ever give him closure, he's stuck hunting for his wife's murderer forever, even though he's likely already killed him. He'll just keep following clues blindly, and probably will kill more people as a result.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                except the movie portrays it as if things will be different and things WILL be different since he no longer has that cop dude pointing him to dudes to get an easy free hitman basically, so things will change but not really, its dumb. its a false ending.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >movie portrays it as if things will be different and things WILL be different since he no longer has that cop dude pointing
                No? The movie doesn't end with the cop dude getting killed. That's the start of the movie. The movie ends with the Leonard beginning his hunt for the cop dude.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The movie doesn't end with the cop dude getting killed.
                the plot does, youre supposed to piece the movie together and look back on things in chronological order once its revealed u being shown it in reverse at the end, so ya it doesn’t technically happen at the end, but it does plot wise.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It absolutely does not portray it that way. Yes, he's killed the guy who's been using him, so in a sense it's the end of THAT story, but Lenny is stuck in an endless cycle of searching for somebody who is already dead. It is spelled out to you, no matter who he kills, he just keeps searching, because he can't remember anything. So even though he killed Teddy, he will not be satisfied, he will carry on searching, even if it means lying to himself (like he does when he decides he is going to kill Teddy at the end).

                The whole point of the twist at the end is that Lenny is actually the bad guy, but he doesn't even know it himself.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >t's the end of THAT story, but Lenny is stuck in an endless cycle of searching for somebody who is already dead.
                that's exactly why its so fricking dumb, the ending and the whole movie really.
                after killing the guy and realizing how easily he can be manipulated due to his memory issues, the fricker needs to just waltz his way into a tattoo parlor and pay someone to tattoo some clarifying information on his arm or something, can’t forget stuff if its writting out right in front of u.
                but no, the dumbass doesn’t, its another case of the main guy being a moron so the plot can continue. literally so many ways he can avoid repeating the loop, so many ways.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He doesn't want it to end you dumb fricker. He is a deranged moron with brain damage who knows that this pointless investigation is the only thing that gives his life meaning, so he lies to himself to keep it going. If you think the movie is dumb because Lenny choses to do this, well I don't know what to tell you. Do you hate all movies where you don't agree with the actions of the villain?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                he is not the villain and you know it, dont play some stupid filmbro mindgames on me boy, he is not the villain.
                i shall answer your moronic question nonetheless, no i don’t like the movies when the character (any character for that matter, “good” guy, “bad” guy, side character, etc) makes a dumb decisions, and i don’t mean decisions I jsut don’t agree with, I mean decisions that make no sense.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You don't think the final scene, where he consciously decides he is going to murder Teddy in cold blood, paints him as the villain? Lenny is clearly deranged, and arguably evil.
                >no i don’t like the movies when the character (any character for that matter, “good” guy, “bad” guy, side character, etc) makes a dumb decisions, and i don’t mean decisions I jsut don’t agree with, I mean decisions that make no sense.
                The guy has severe brain damage. To top it off, he is living in a nightmare scenario where he can't even remember 5 minutes ago, but can remember his wife being raped and murdered. You can't get on board with the idea that somebody like him might make questionable decisions?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >he is going to murder Teddy in cold blood, paints him as the villain?
                did you not watch the movie? he deserved it.
                >The guy has severe brain damage. To top it off, he is living in a nightmare scenario where he can't even remember 5 minutes ago, but can remember his wife being raped and murdered. You can't get on board with the idea that somebody like him might make questionable decisions?
                any logical person would even do something permanent to solve this issue and ensure he doesn’t forget he has already murdered his wife's killers or any logical person would just kill themselves
                and by logical i dont mean rational and/or right in the head, i mean anyone that is a real human acting/thinking/behaving like a real human
                but no, he is written like a moron on purpose

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Teddy deserved it
                Did you watch the movie? We're never given a clear picture of what actually happens, but if we believe Teddy, he actually tried to help Lenny, albeit in a way that benefitted him as well.
                >any logical person would do X
                Nope. I'm tired of hearing this moronic shitty argument, there are psychos who do inexplicable things every day in real life. You can't say "nobody would actually do this in real life" because you don't know that, and it's a stupid thing to argue anyway, since the film isn't even trying to depict this as a realistic scenario.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                this he NEEDS this mission to give himself direction in his unstable life

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >he doesn't even know it himself.

                he kinda does. As he said in the last monologue, as he was putting together the puzzle pieces to give himself the joy of finding his wife's killer again, the way he used the prostitute to fool himself into believing for a moment she was alive.

                >we all lie to ourselves

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He knows it in that moment, but obviously quickly forgets it and goes back to believing he is righteous.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Just like you and me.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a great 'unreliable narrator' story. Lenny presents himself as someone who is so together and sure of himself that he can achieve his goals despite losing memories every few hours. The reality, which is revealed through the reverse storytelling, is that he's someone who is still perfectly capable of deluding himself and lying about who they are even to the extent he will consciously exploit his own condition to remain blissfully ignorant.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thats the point of the movie, genius

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >everyone forgets

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i cant imagine calling memento a shit movie what an unlikable person you must be, guy pierce gives a great performance and joe pantoliano never misses, the twists and turns and underlying humor makes it not only a good movie but one of the most enjoyable watches of all time

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ITT: movies that don't make sense
    he literally says why at the end of the movie

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Holy Mountain

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what do you mean? he found and killed his wife's killer at the end

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >smart guys clearly cautious and considering their options throughout the movie
      >"dude what the frick my nose and ears are bleeding, my handwriting is fricked, should we go see a doctor or ANYTHING at all??"
      >"no let's keep time boxing"
      >"yeah ok"
      almost dropped this shit, it's silly when a movie is dumb, it's fricking moronic when the movie frames itself as an intellectual plot with, to a degree, level headed brainstorming characters, but also expects you to accept completely left field moronic acts from these guys so casually. Despite it being one of the most important factors looming over the story

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It makes total sense

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    butterfly effect

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That amnesiac schizo probably got shot by a feral Black person or drug dealer Hispanic later down the line.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I finished this movie feeling the same exact way I felt going in, it's weird how much of a "nothing" film it is despite so much shit going on

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah I went over this 100 times after I finished this movie and the plot didn’t add up and it basically amounts to “he’s selectively crazy” and his story isn’t meant to mean anything

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >thread full of midwits debating with obvious trolls about the merits of a Nolan movie
    I like Memento a lot, but c'mon... This board used to have a decent collective IQ.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning, OP?

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There was a local band from Goshen that sampled the line
    What's the last thing you do remember
    My wife
    Dying

    Always thought it was a bad ass way to start an album

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >killing spree on criminals is actually bad, killing a manipulative cop is based, memento guy is the og sigma, is it problematic for you, chud?

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