I've lost all interest in Star Wars. Should I give Trek a shot? I've only seen the JJ Abrams movie years ago and bits of episodes here and there.
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I've lost all interest in Star Wars. Should I give Trek a shot?
Yeah, it's pretty good. Keep in mind that every series except TOS starts off pretty slow and gets better, TNG is a good starting point but it's infamous for having a shitty first season.
you don't like Code of Honor?
Its basically space Wakanda, but all the npcs were told its racist and that Black Panther is a stunning and brave cinematic milestone.
Its amazing what marketing can do.
It's also redpilled about women wanting to be captured by kings
I recommend starting with TNG, at least if you're gonna watch complete series. TOS has a pretty low ratio of good episodes in comparison.
yeah I would go TNG>DS9>TOS>Star Trek The Animated Series (v. comfy)>TOS Movies>Enterprise>Voyager
Reverse the last two, save the very best for last.
It was a good franchise
Start with TOS's first two seasons if you don't mind the dated effects. It jad a lot of heart, interesting concepts and despite what pop culture will tell you, great acting. Specially coming from Shatner that portrays a charismatic and intelligent leader
Next is TNG which has two weak seasons before it starts to get really good
Deep Space Nine is contentious, but I like it and Gul Dukat is a joy to watch Voyager and Enterprise are pretty eh
Avoid all the films except for "The Motion Picture" and "Wrath of Khan" (and maybe the 4th one, though I think it's just okay)
Avoid everything else
based ngl tho i'd call voy and ent pretty shit
Both fair takes
All of the TOS films have something that makes them worth watching. Yes, that includes The Final Frontier.
>It was a good franchise
>was
Are all the new shows really that bad?
Yes, Star Trek ended with ENT.
Honestly yes.
It's a butchering of franchise even worse than Star Wars.
Star Wars got moronic in the prequels and soulless in the sequels, Star Trek Discovery is almost an antithesis to Star Trek, an overly emotional, action filled and violent ugly show with atrocious writing. Picard is Patrick Stewart's vanity project and it's honestly embarrassing to watch. It's a 90 year old man thinking he's a strapping 50 year old that "still got it"
Lower Decks is that same disposable Rick and Morty animation with meh writing, and commits that classics sin that killed parody in the modern age: It makes fun of itself all the time, so you won't ever take it seriously. Strange New Worlds is just ST writers realizing they've gone off the deep end and trying to fix it and failing, achieving at best an Enterprise level of quality
>achieving at best an Enterprise level of quality
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Yeah they're literally unwatchable
But to be fair I think there isn't much room for Star Trek to grow anyway, it already has a massive canon that has covered so many different concepts, and also hinders new shows because they need to keep referring back to it for continuity.
I just wish they stopped making new Treks so we get good, new spacefaring shows that have a fresh canon to them.
>I just wish they stopped making new Treks so we get good, new spacefaring shows that have a fresh canon to them.
Agreed. But it'll never happen (at least for awhile). We're in the brand recognition era right now. If it doesn't have some big name attached to it 99% of normalgays don't give a shit.
Yep absolutely, it's fricking tragic.
The worst part is that well-established brands are simply being used as a vehicle to tell the same generic shitty stories seen in every other major brand reboot. They aren't even bothering to capture the uniqueness of each brand, just co-opting certain characters and narratives in them.
>I just wish they stopped trying to profit from established franchises and try and create new original things
Might as well wish for a world without circumcision, anon
They're both pleading to them as same people
>there isn't much room for Star Trek to grow anyway
Bullshit, just set the new series in the 25th century with a new crew and a new premise. You can bring back all the old fan-favorite aliens but do something new with them because a lot would have changed in fifty or so years. The issue isn't with the setting being cramped, it's with the current writers being shit.
>I just wish they stopped making new Treks so we get good, new spacefaring shows that have a fresh canon to them.
Arguably the single best time for sci-fi on television was the 90s to the early 2000s, and all those shows only existed due to the success of TNG. SG-1/B5/Farscape all only existed in television form because TNG was a hit. If you want new shows you should hope Trek becomes good again, but it won't as long as the writers suck.
>Bullshit, just set the new series in the 25th century with a new crew and a new premise. You can bring back all the old fan-favorite aliens but do something new with them because a lot would have changed in fifty or so years.
Sure you could but then you're stuck in a universe that's already covered nearly everything.
And you've got a massive canon involving the Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians and whatever. You can't really introduce another space-faring warrior viking alien race because they'd be too similar to the Klingons, or another mysterious and untrustworthy oriental type alien race because they'd be too similar to the Romulans.
The point is they'd already tread over so much ground all they can really do is rehash the same stories they've already done or go increasingly unusual, like maybe some race of gaseous non-human entities, although even that reminds me of the founders/ Dominion.
Of course it's definitely possible, I just think Star Trek is already great in its own right and doesn't need to be strung out any further.
They could do something of a cultural shift in any of the existing races, in ENT episode Judgement they have a Klingon lawyer commenting on how the warrior caste has damaged society with its focus on honour in battle, so a counter culture following the Dominion war could appear, relegating the warrior caste to a lesser role and promoting honour in a job well done to allow other disciplines to come forward, so Klingons aren't just the 'warrior viking alien' race
>I just wish they stopped making new Treks so we get good, new spacefaring shows that have a fresh canon to them.
I wish Star Wars would do this. They wiped the entirety of the EU and have given us 1 decent show so far (Mando). They have an entire galaxy and different eras they can explore and they keep going back and retreading old ground or giving us the crib notes versions of EU stories. What a fricking waste.
What?
You Don't like seeing Tattooine for the upteenth time?
the people writing newer stuff for trek/wars were the ones who made fun of others for liking it when they were in their golden eras. trek and wars are now just soapboxes for libtards to stand on; they have no actual talent for writing and they don't care as long as they get to shovel their agendas in peoples faces and be smug about it.
Same. I remember thinking how bizarre it was that Disney bought Star Wars because it's a canon totally ruined by the prequels and EU stuff, for a long time it was solely the domain of fanfic-loving autists. I think there's hardly anything there for a good story, only shameless fan service.
Mando was only good because it actually disregarded all the force/ Jedi shit and did something new, it could've easily been an original story not seen in the Star Wars universe. But now it looks like they're going to jam in a bunch of Jedi shit and further ruin the only good part of nuWars.
> I remember thinking how bizarre it was that Disney bought Star Wars because it's a canon totally ruined by the prequels and EU stuff, for a long time it was solely the domain of fanfic-loving autists. I think there's hardly anything there for a good story, only shameless fan service.
That's exactly why they did the canon wipe (aside from having to pay royalties). The problem is they then proceeded to shit out their content which makes the Prequels and the EU look like Shakespeare in comparison.
Seems like they kept prequels as canon though, which is absolutely the worst part of all Star Wars media and the thing that killed it.
I honestly wonder if George made Disney promise they would never de-canonify the prequels.
ignore these homies first two seasons of TNG are unwatchable and are legitimately hard to get thru unless you're pushing thru just to get to the supposed good stuff. TOS is the way to go the pilot is kino then it kinda sucks for a while but you can just skip eps if they get boring there's no reason to continue a bad one there's no story impact. most of the eps from like ep 10 of s1 onwards all have something going for em tho whether it's weird character moments, cool set design, hot chicks in space bikinis, blackface aliens or spock dresses as a nazi. it's so fricking kino and the best place to start.
not the entire first two seasons, some of the best episodes happen early
nah bro measure of a man is the only pure kino one apart from that its 20% good and 80% dogshit
Q Who? is still the best the Borg have ever been. Pure horror trek kino.
Start with TNG season 3. Or unironically start with Enterprise because its a manly show for chads. ENT is great because its pre-star fleet and its homosexual gay rules. Just cowboys in space
The first two seasons of TNG are objectively bad but you should just tunnel through them because if you skip them you'll miss a lot of the set ups for later stuff
It's the cost of doing business. Plus there's a handful of legitimately good episodes in season 2.
I always tell people to skip the first two seasons if they never saw random episodes back in the TV era (pre streaming). But I honestly liked half of season 2 episodes and loved the doctor.
Yeah people hate Pulaski but I thought she had some good scenes.
If you skip the entire first two seasons you'll miss the set-up for Q, the Borg, Guinan, Lore, Tasha Yar, the Romulans, Klingon politics, etc. Also some good episodes as well.
The only episode that is a hard skip for me is Shades of Grey. Otherwise they contain mostly fine episodes, even though a lot of them are just recycled TOS scripts.
>Shades of Grey
Oh man, yeah what were they thinking with that one? Ran out of budget or something? No one likes recap episodes, especially as season finales.
Writer's strike apparently. Real shame it's Pulaski's last episode as well, what a shit sendoff.
This.
Start with Encounter at Farpoint. Then use an episode guide to avoid stinkers.
Same goes with every Trek series, really. Quality has always been very inconsistent but we remember the great episodes and forget the cringe ones.
>Encounter at Farpoint
isnt that one of the worst eps?
i recently torrent the first season and then deleted it pretty quickly
now im torrenting season 3
its the first ep
>isnt that one of the worst eps?
It's kind of slow and dull, but it isn't horrible and it works well as an introduction to Q and the crew. Also download season 2 instead if you want to skip ahead.
>isnt that one of the worst eps?
It's the first episode. It's alright, just sort of sets up the show.
You should still watch the important parts of S1-2, they tie into the show later on. Just follow the viewing guide for seasons 1-2 here then watch every episode from season 3 onwards. The good episodes of seasons 1-2 are still good too, I'd watch those as well.
seen this posted a few times before but never bothered reading it, the descriptions are great
None of those things matter. I used to watch random episodes on TV back in the day and still enjoyed it and followed the stories. Its episodic, something foreign to you zoomers with your streaming story arcs
Correct, DS9 and Enterprise exempt.
Dr. Pulaski is based and the music in the first two seasons is better
TOS sucks and is extremely israeli. ~~*Shatner*~~ is literally from a family of rabbis, same as ~~*Nemoy*~~
only TNG is worth watching
DS9 is great too, made in the same era, but very different.
VOY is watchable, conversely very similar to TNG but noticibly suffers from editorial drift.
Star Trek: Enterprise
Start there, it's a good segue for newbies, plus its chronologically the" beginning". This series takes place is in the mid-22nd century. Watch it, it's awesome.
Have a rare T'pol butt
Gates Mcfadden had no charisma and wasn’t even hot. Pulanski was a GILF
i liked enterprise
I liked it as a kid. I haven't rewatched it as an adult yet since I'm still working my way through the franchise (on Voyager now)
I hated it as a kid because it wasn’t TNG but now that I’m older, its my favorite.
i thought the same when it first started, i wanted to see something post-voyager instead of a prequel but it grew on me pretty quick. it has the most solid first 2 seasons of any of the shows and archer is overall the most sane captain in that he changes his attitude about exploring only a few episodes in when he realizes they're going to need the phase cannons.
Watch it all in release order starting with TOS and ending with Enterprise. You can also watch the movies if you want but they are mostly standalone.
Yeah stop after enterprise s3 though and only watch the first two seasons of the orville and season 3 skip the troony kid eps gay mocklan shit
I was once you. I'd watch the shows in the order tbey came out. DS9 was my favorite. I never saw the movies.
You should watch the TOS movies, they're great especially Wrath of Khan.
As someone who's watched trek over the last three years let me give it to you straight
DS9 > VOY=TNG > ENT = TOS >>>>> Anything produced after 2005
Watch order = tng --> ds9 --> voy --> ent --> tos
>VOY=TNG
Holy shit my man
You only think it isn't as good because your opinion is dictated by others
VOY fricking rules and has a cast that becomes a family to you
Pretty much every character in VOY is a poor man's version of one already seen in TNG except for the holographic doctor, he's great [spoiler]although even he is bogged down by the same Data-tier pinocchio arc[/spoiler]
Not true, some are a poor man's version of characters from TOS.
Tuvok?
Yeah. Also Janeway is closer to being lady Kirk than she is to Sisko or Picard.
VOY is maximum comfy and no amount of cope can replace that.
remember when they replaced harry kim with an alternate universe but similar version of him and no one said anything?
remember the warp 10 episode?
Voyager was wildly inconsistent - but then again, so was TNG.
im gonna go right ahead and say it.
I enjoy SNW. Anson Mount carries it. And the nurse is hot
1. Watch TOS. If you don't like TOS; you're a soulless zombie and should unironically have a nice day.
2. Watch TOS movies. Don't listen to imbeciles who say nonsense like "every other ST movie is good", just watch them all.
3. Do NOT watch TNG. It's a trap. 99% of the people who try watching TNG drop Star Trek altogether because of how horrible 99% of the episodes are. Just google "top 25 TNG episodes" or whatever and watch those. TNG has some great episodes, but most of it is absolutely horrible.
4. Watch DS9, all of it.
5. Skip TNG movies and VOY entirely. There is nothing of worth there.
6. Watch ENT, all of it.
And that's it. You're done with Star Trek. You've seen everything worth seeing.
Watch Farscape.
>all these anons suggesting skipping seasons
Disgusting.
>TOS
>TAS
>TOS movies
>TNG
skipping seasons is based.
Not only do you get to jump right in to the good stuff but you have the early seasons to watch when you're done and crave more
Yes, TNG is a good place to start, but only watch the essential episodes, mostly Q ones, up until S3 where it takes off.
Pre nu-Trek series were made for syndication so there’s no harm in watching episodes out of order to get a feel for the series. If you like what you see you can go back to the start but trek has a reputation for having some rough first series with the exception of TOS and maybe DS9. As far as taster episodes which don’t require much context I can recommend:
TOS: City on the Edge of Forever
TNG: Darmok
DS9: Duet
Can’t speak for VOY/ENT as I’ve not seen much myself.
>Should I give Trek a shot?
Yeah, just don't expect any of the new shit to be worth a damn.
My suggestion is to watch TNG first, its accessible, its special effects still look decent (season 2 onwards) and its one of if not the best series. Start with season 1 and know that season 1 isn't the show at its best and then watch Encounter at Farpoint (the pilot) and then everything with a score above a 7 on IMDB (and maybe Skin of Evil, not a great episode but it kills off a major character).
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092455/episodes?season=1
If you decide that you like it give some of those episodes that have a score above a 6 a chance, I actually like some of them.
If you like TNG consider The Original Series which is great but its dated, the special effects are dated and you'll need to learn to live with it and some of the episodes are very silly although they can be fun. Again anything above a 7 is generally good although I'd give Charlie X and Miri a skip.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060028/episodes?ref_=tt_eps_sm
Once you've watched some of The Original Series and gotten yourself familiar with the characters watch the original Star Trek films which are some of the best Star Trek content out there particularly Star Trek II and Star Trek VI.
Then check out DS9 which is also great, if you're hooked Voyager and Enterprise are worth watching as are the first two TNG films. Nothing since 2005 is canon or actually happened so don't worry about it.
Just watch Picard show. Not that new stuff. Deep Space 9 is also good.
I hope you mean TNG. OP, don't watch Star Trek: Picard. Whatever you do, do NOT watch it.