just speculation, lucas liked his "rhymes" the unsuspecting master in the OT was yoda in the PT it would have to be binks as palpatine was too obvious
I think there's enough evidence for Darth Jar Jar Binks to say that it MAY have been George Lucas's intention. Some of the key pieces of evidence include the fact that in some scenes his lips appear to be in sync with those of other characters, the other Gungans being scared of Jar Jar (they surely don't know he's a Sith, but they rightly feel there's something wrong with him), his motion to Sebulba to get him to stop attacking him (apparently a mind trick), and Jar Jar being very successful in battle despite his supposed clumsiness (feigning disorientation is an actual combat strategy developed by some monks in the real world). There's more, but I consider this to be the best evidence.
watching an edited youtube video is not proof, its just clickbait
A very good read (yeah, I know, reddit):
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/3qvj6w/theory_jar_jar_binks_was_a_trained_force_user/
The lip synching:
I think there's enough evidence for Darth Jar Jar Binks to say that it MAY have been George Lucas's intention. Some of the key pieces of evidence include the fact that in some scenes his lips appear to be in sync with those of other characters, the other Gungans being scared of Jar Jar (they surely don't know he's a Sith, but they rightly feel there's something wrong with him), his motion to Sebulba to get him to stop attacking him (apparently a mind trick), and Jar Jar being very successful in battle despite his supposed clumsiness (feigning disorientation is an actual combat strategy developed by some monks in the real world). There's more, but I consider this to be the best evidence.
But its what happens in the movies. Its amusing to think about. Also hes one of the people putting Palpatine in power and swaying peoples minds despite being (seemingly) a giant moron.
moving your arms is not the same as doing the mind trick, just because a shitty youtuber showed you the same 1 second clip 5 times in slow motion doesn't mean anything, the lip movement also doesn't mean anything when the tech was so new and you can clearly see Jar Jar doing whatever the frick in the background. George is not that smart.
I hate this. It gives JarJar way too much credit. It implies he was willingly pretending to be stupid, when clearly he is just stupid. He was manipulated and put in place of the senate as a puppet, just like real life. Do you actually think politicians in power are actually evil masterminds?
There’s always a bigger fish. That fish we know was Palpatine. Star Wars theory nerds piss me off.
Yeah I know and for several scenes its not for any seeming key plot points but a few are. Also I dont think any exec would allow a two movie setup of a moron that big to do a complete 180 into a villain. I still like the theory though and theres a few things of it that work.
>Also I dont think any exec would allow a two movie setup of a moron that big to do a complete 180 into a villain
actually this would not be a problem since they gave George complete control. I also don't have a problem with a twist like that, it would have been such a holy shit moment. My problem is that I haven't seen actual proof other than children and autists sperging youtube shit so it holds no water to connect dots that Lucas never put in the first place. If he didn't in TCW then it was never meant to be.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I know I just go along with it because its fun. I love the prequels I just don't like jarjar obv so its amusing to me to think of him as more than a bumbling idiot that ruins the scenes he's in, including the battle.
2 years ago
Anonymous
it's generally up for debate amongst EUgays and novelizationists whether jar jar is or is not a sith BUT it's pretty unanimously understood that Padme had a child with him. Most people reject that the child in question were the luke and leia twins. I am not one of those cowards
2 years ago
Anonymous
but they don't even look like him
2 years ago
Anonymous
Of course not, that anon is fricking moronic. They had a single child together that was hidden away and believed to be a half gungan-half human
>his lips appear to be in sync with those of other characters >his motion to Sebulba to get him to stop attacking him (apparently a mind trick)
Are people really this dumb? These mean absolutely nothing unless George specifically directed him to do these incredibly subtle movements on purpose. And if George told him to do these things, then the truth would have come out about this a long time ago.
It's just ME3 indoctrination theory all over again where fans can't accept that something is just plain stupid and try to convince themselves that there was a genius master plan behind it all.
> hey, in this scene when this character is talking I want you to animate Jar Jar's lips to match what they're saying > also make him wave his hand in this scene... no, like the way that Jedi wave their hands when they do a mind trick > why? > ohhh, uh, no reason...
>unless George specifically told them to do these things on purpose. Which would have given it all away to begin with.
You know that things like NDA exist, right ? Why would a world-class talented animator who worked on Phantom Menace which was top of the class CGI back then risk his job, career and getting sued by Lucas just for upvotes on Reddit (which it didn't even exist in 1998) ? George could also tell him just to animate Jar Jar in a specific way and don't tell why.
When Jar Jar is idling in these movies he frequently opens and closes his mouth and sways around even if nobody else is talking - he's just a listless mouth-breather and the animators wanted to give him something to do and not stand completely still like a CGI prop.
I hate this. It gives JarJar way too much credit. It implies he was willingly pretending to be stupid, when clearly he is just stupid. He was manipulated and put in place of the senate as a puppet, just like real life. Do you actually think politicians in power are actually evil masterminds?
There’s always a bigger fish. That fish we know was Palpatine. Star Wars theory nerds piss me off.
Yes, it's been known for a while. He was master to Darth Tenebrous (Plagueis' master) and orchestrated everything from the get-go. (that's where the term Phantom Menace comes from) He's biding his time after the failed Palpatine experiment.
No, Jar-Jar is a normal character made intentionally exaggerated and offensive to show the Jedi and the Republic as both personally and structurally racist.
While episode 1 ends with reconciliation between the Naboo and the Gungans, they are eventually fully co-opted and Jar-Jar is part of establishing an even more oppressive and totalitarian state.
Darth Jar Jar could've bumped up the sequels from 2/10 to 5/10 easily.
It was clear that it wasn't George's vision anymore, but it would've been original and tied everything together.
totally could have worked, but many of those clips are just bait.
although it would be a good 'what if' trope, jar jar already has way too much stupid shit going on in his back story, e.g. the comic where he annoys his father so much that he tries to shoot himself in the head because of jar jar
I used to think it was autism, but over the years I have become completely convinced that there is no alternative. This was absolutely the intention and there are so many bread crumbs there.
First, the title "The Phantom Menace" makes more sense if there is actually a phantom menace. You can say that it's supposed to be Maul, but he's pretty clearly a red herring and he appeared in all of the movie's promotional material and you knew going in that he was a bad guy. The next logical answer would be that it Palpatine, but again, we all know who he is.
Second is the way Lucas talks off camera. He famously talks about how the movies are supposed to "rhyme" and how Jar Jar is the key to everything. So what does that actually mean? That he's a comic relief character? How the frick is that the "key" to anything, it's a fairly banal addition to a movie. And indisputably the single most iconic moment in Star Wars (one of the most iconic moments in any movie ever made) was the twist reveal that Vader is Luke's father. If all this shit is meant to "rhyme", there should be a major reveal in the second movie in the prequel trilogy, but there just isn't. Well why the hell not? Did he just forget? Frick no he didn't. The reason that Jar Jar is the "key" to all of it is because he was intended to carry this trilogy's big reveal moment. And he also mirrors Yoda in that he starts off as a bumbling, unassuming cartoon of a character who ends up being one of the most proficient force users in the galaxy. And had they carried out the plan, it would be Jar Jar fighting Yoda instead of Dooku.
Lucas hoped that Jar Jar would be the standout character from Episode 1 that everybody loved. That would make it a massive gut punch to reveal that he was actually the villain the whole time. And if it worked, it would easily have been iconic on the same scale as "I am your father". But it didn't work and everybody hated Jar Jar so they just scrapped the idea entirely
No one actually believes the darth jar jar shit to be genuine, but it's fun to explore as an idea. And it would've unironically been better than "somehow palpatine returned"
>nobodys that lucky anon >this lil N word walks across an active battle field >single handedly kills like 3 tanks and about 400 enemy droids >dodges multiple shots and procedes to his target destination
if you think about what jar jar actually does he has some of the higest confirmed kills in the series and ontop of that he ALWAYS gets what he wants ALWAYS
he was so hated by fans that J-lock had to scrap the idea
>think about this for a moment hes so "stupid" that he is exiled from his city on penalty of death >when asked to walk into the un-escapable city with a death warrent on his head he dosent even blink >meesa Ok
Someday there will be a remake where the Jedi are shown to be kid brainwashing pretentious buttholes.
The Sith will be shown to just be controlled opposition to maintain Jedi control over everything.
And the Mandalorians will be hated because they know all this.
the crazy part about mandos is they see think not for what they are exactly but they do not at all trust eather side
they know that theese guys are doing magic and they dont mind that but they know its not some godlike omniscience and that they are human just like them
mutants even with great power so they train to fight back so they cannot be opressed
they dont see a difference between jedi and sith just look at individual intention's
power seems more honest than benevolence when the jedi are building trillion credit academy's so they trust neither side
It should've happened but Lucas chickened out, hence the creation of Count Dooku as a last-minute addition to AotC. Would've been dimes
are there any hints to this in episode I or Lucas ever confirmed it somewhere?
A very good read (yeah, I know, reddit):
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/3qvj6w/theory_jar_jar_binks_was_a_trained_force_user/
The lip synching:
It's a good post. Not everything on reddit is bad.
but that post is bad
>implying Cinemaphile hasn't effectively been leddit ever since GG and 2016
Cope.
it sounds more like a moron trying to keep his tongue from falling
>homosexual brackets
yeah we know, go back
just speculation, lucas liked his "rhymes" the unsuspecting master in the OT was yoda in the PT it would have to be binks as palpatine was too obvious
I think there's enough evidence for Darth Jar Jar Binks to say that it MAY have been George Lucas's intention. Some of the key pieces of evidence include the fact that in some scenes his lips appear to be in sync with those of other characters, the other Gungans being scared of Jar Jar (they surely don't know he's a Sith, but they rightly feel there's something wrong with him), his motion to Sebulba to get him to stop attacking him (apparently a mind trick), and Jar Jar being very successful in battle despite his supposed clumsiness (feigning disorientation is an actual combat strategy developed by some monks in the real world). There's more, but I consider this to be the best evidence.
watching an edited youtube video is not proof, its just clickbait
Yes, the evidence is showcased in YouTube videos.
But its what happens in the movies. Its amusing to think about. Also hes one of the people putting Palpatine in power and swaying peoples minds despite being (seemingly) a giant moron.
moving your arms is not the same as doing the mind trick, just because a shitty youtuber showed you the same 1 second clip 5 times in slow motion doesn't mean anything, the lip movement also doesn't mean anything when the tech was so new and you can clearly see Jar Jar doing whatever the frick in the background. George is not that smart.
meds
Yeah I know and for several scenes its not for any seeming key plot points but a few are. Also I dont think any exec would allow a two movie setup of a moron that big to do a complete 180 into a villain. I still like the theory though and theres a few things of it that work.
>Also I dont think any exec would allow a two movie setup of a moron that big to do a complete 180 into a villain
actually this would not be a problem since they gave George complete control. I also don't have a problem with a twist like that, it would have been such a holy shit moment. My problem is that I haven't seen actual proof other than children and autists sperging youtube shit so it holds no water to connect dots that Lucas never put in the first place. If he didn't in TCW then it was never meant to be.
I know I just go along with it because its fun. I love the prequels I just don't like jarjar obv so its amusing to me to think of him as more than a bumbling idiot that ruins the scenes he's in, including the battle.
it's generally up for debate amongst EUgays and novelizationists whether jar jar is or is not a sith BUT it's pretty unanimously understood that Padme had a child with him. Most people reject that the child in question were the luke and leia twins. I am not one of those cowards
but they don't even look like him
Of course not, that anon is fricking moronic. They had a single child together that was hidden away and believed to be a half gungan-half human
where is the child now?
he became a podracer
a good one?
he was no boba fett but he got by
somehow I don't believe you anon
>his lips appear to be in sync with those of other characters
>his motion to Sebulba to get him to stop attacking him (apparently a mind trick)
Are people really this dumb? These mean absolutely nothing unless George specifically directed him to do these incredibly subtle movements on purpose. And if George told him to do these things, then the truth would have come out about this a long time ago.
It's just ME3 indoctrination theory all over again where fans can't accept that something is just plain stupid and try to convince themselves that there was a genius master plan behind it all.
They are having to animate him so that means they did it on purpose. Prob another explanation but that kind of stuff costs money to do.
Again, this means nothing unless George specifically told them to do these things on purpose. Which would have given it all away to begin with.
Why would George telling a few animators to move Jar Jar's lips give anything away?
> hey, in this scene when this character is talking I want you to animate Jar Jar's lips to match what they're saying
> also make him wave his hand in this scene... no, like the way that Jedi wave their hands when they do a mind trick
> why?
> ohhh, uh, no reason...
>unless George specifically told them to do these things on purpose. Which would have given it all away to begin with.
You know that things like NDA exist, right ? Why would a world-class talented animator who worked on Phantom Menace which was top of the class CGI back then risk his job, career and getting sued by Lucas just for upvotes on Reddit (which it didn't even exist in 1998) ? George could also tell him just to animate Jar Jar in a specific way and don't tell why.
When Jar Jar is idling in these movies he frequently opens and closes his mouth and sways around even if nobody else is talking - he's just a listless mouth-breather and the animators wanted to give him something to do and not stand completely still like a CGI prop.
I'm convinced by CGI argument. It was done on purpose but the studio chickened out
I hate this. It gives JarJar way too much credit. It implies he was willingly pretending to be stupid, when clearly he is just stupid. He was manipulated and put in place of the senate as a puppet, just like real life. Do you actually think politicians in power are actually evil masterminds?
There’s always a bigger fish. That fish we know was Palpatine. Star Wars theory nerds piss me off.
Yes, it's been known for a while. He was master to Darth Tenebrous (Plagueis' master) and orchestrated everything from the get-go. (that's where the term Phantom Menace comes from) He's biding his time after the failed Palpatine experiment.
his master was a twilek but I guess it could've been jar jar in disguise
it's just a silly joke that should not need to be explained
this stupid joke has never been funny.
it's straight up fricking anime-tier humor.
>The Phantom Menace
>Opening text crawl
he literally was supposed to be a sith. George Mucas pussied out the fat necked moron
Would have been hilarious.
if an old sith Jar Jar was the big bad of the sequels the world would have been spared its current plight
hiii im new
Hi cutie.
No, Jar-Jar is a normal character made intentionally exaggerated and offensive to show the Jedi and the Republic as both personally and structurally racist.
While episode 1 ends with reconciliation between the Naboo and the Gungans, they are eventually fully co-opted and Jar-Jar is part of establishing an even more oppressive and totalitarian state.
disney should just let Robot Chicken write their star wars stories
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3vn85i
It's autism.
Darth Jar Jar could've bumped up the sequels from 2/10 to 5/10 easily.
It was clear that it wasn't George's vision anymore, but it would've been original and tied everything together.
totally could have worked, but many of those clips are just bait.
although it would be a good 'what if' trope, jar jar already has way too much stupid shit going on in his back story, e.g. the comic where he annoys his father so much that he tries to shoot himself in the head because of jar jar
The most striking part about it is his parallel to Yoda which is why I consider it canon even if Lucas didn't intend it.
I used to think it was autism, but over the years I have become completely convinced that there is no alternative. This was absolutely the intention and there are so many bread crumbs there.
First, the title "The Phantom Menace" makes more sense if there is actually a phantom menace. You can say that it's supposed to be Maul, but he's pretty clearly a red herring and he appeared in all of the movie's promotional material and you knew going in that he was a bad guy. The next logical answer would be that it Palpatine, but again, we all know who he is.
Second is the way Lucas talks off camera. He famously talks about how the movies are supposed to "rhyme" and how Jar Jar is the key to everything. So what does that actually mean? That he's a comic relief character? How the frick is that the "key" to anything, it's a fairly banal addition to a movie. And indisputably the single most iconic moment in Star Wars (one of the most iconic moments in any movie ever made) was the twist reveal that Vader is Luke's father. If all this shit is meant to "rhyme", there should be a major reveal in the second movie in the prequel trilogy, but there just isn't. Well why the hell not? Did he just forget? Frick no he didn't. The reason that Jar Jar is the "key" to all of it is because he was intended to carry this trilogy's big reveal moment. And he also mirrors Yoda in that he starts off as a bumbling, unassuming cartoon of a character who ends up being one of the most proficient force users in the galaxy. And had they carried out the plan, it would be Jar Jar fighting Yoda instead of Dooku.
Lucas hoped that Jar Jar would be the standout character from Episode 1 that everybody loved. That would make it a massive gut punch to reveal that he was actually the villain the whole time. And if it worked, it would easily have been iconic on the same scale as "I am your father". But it didn't work and everybody hated Jar Jar so they just scrapped the idea entirely
I'm convinced
Well said.
Yes
Yeed is also a Sith
baby YEEEEEEEEED
baby sneed of all people will never be a sith
he's fundamentally too pure
"yeed is the key to all of this"
that's what they said about jar jar too
I'm not convinced that it isn't just autism, but even if it is it's an idea that could have salvaged the prequel trilogy and deserves to be real.
it was a complex COPE by the SW fans community
I wonder if we'll get one of these fan theories to redeem the sequels too lmfao
so this is the true face of prequelshitter stupidity
I knew you people were gullible Youtuber cattle but this is a new low
No one actually believes the darth jar jar shit to be genuine, but it's fun to explore as an idea. And it would've unironically been better than "somehow palpatine returned"
frick rlm
>furries
sure prequelshitter I'll get right on that
>nobodys that lucky anon
>this lil N word walks across an active battle field
>single handedly kills like 3 tanks and about 400 enemy droids
>dodges multiple shots and procedes to his target destination
if you think about what jar jar actually does he has some of the higest confirmed kills in the series and ontop of that he ALWAYS gets what he wants ALWAYS
he was so hated by fans that J-lock had to scrap the idea
>think about this for a moment hes so "stupid" that he is exiled from his city on penalty of death
>when asked to walk into the un-escapable city with a death warrent on his head he dosent even blink
>meesa Ok
Someday there will be a remake where the Jedi are shown to be kid brainwashing pretentious buttholes.
The Sith will be shown to just be controlled opposition to maintain Jedi control over everything.
And the Mandalorians will be hated because they know all this.
the crazy part about mandos is they see think not for what they are exactly but they do not at all trust eather side
they know that theese guys are doing magic and they dont mind that but they know its not some godlike omniscience and that they are human just like them
mutants even with great power so they train to fight back so they cannot be opressed
they dont see a difference between jedi and sith just look at individual intention's
power seems more honest than benevolence when the jedi are building trillion credit academy's so they trust neither side
He was Plagueis the entire time