Superman: Son of Kal-El rated #65 best selling comic of June
Action Comics #1045 rated #112 best selling comic of June
https://icv2.com/articles/icv2-pro/view/51568/top-200-comics-june-2022
Why is Jon so much more popular than Clark?
Where we wrong all this time?
because Action Comics hasn't been the mainline superman title for a while, that like asking why Batman is outselling Detective Comics
Excuses, excuses.
its the truth though
action comics has always trailed behind the book with the word superman in the title, its just a fact. I don't think Jon is selling particullary well even when compared to bendis' terrible run but I don't have the numbers. Was SoK#5 the issue when gay superman happened, its probably why its sells better than the rest, also beginnings of new runs sell way better than runs in the 4 figures
>action comics has always trailed behind the book with the word superman in the title
So how do you explain Superman: Son of Kal-El outselling Superman: And the Authority with an even larger margin?
How much is he beating just Superman?
Superman and the authority is a four issue miniseries, its not a mainline superman book
Yes, but it still had Superman in the title.
Are we really going to go through every possible excuse you can come up with? Jon is selling good, better than Clark has in a long time. This is the Superman the readers want, and the sales prove it.
>hey anons this thing that everybody said would ruin the franchise is selling better than the other titles in the franchise
What’re the sales numbers? 65th place sounds like it’s struggling to his 30k in sales
but its not, SoK is literally selling worse the fricking bendis's Superman, they cancel clark's main title and relegated him to some offworld john carter rip off. Jon solo can't compare to any regular superman solo, not Tomasi's and not even Bendis'
Wait is there really no headerless Superman title running right now? God damn DC not only ruined their best new character in decades but they’re actively destroying their oldest brand. This is quite literally what the LGBT movement is doing to this country and it’s hilarious that op is bragging about 65th place
Because people who praise What's So Funny About Truth, Justice, and the American Way ran screaming from it because they don't want Superman teaming up with the Authority
That’s the actual reason dumbass
What does it matter?
Action coimics have featured solo Clark for a while now and the sales are declining because no one is interested.
Meanwhile Jon is selling better than any other Superman has in a long while.
Son of Kal-El #5 was even rated #1 in its month of release.
That’s a straight up falsehood, Tomasi’s Superman run sold massively better
So why was he kicked off Superman?
Bendis. Ya idiot.
Are you legit moronic? His run ended because Bendis was hired and given the Superman line wholesale. But then Bendis tanked the line leading leading to why the Superman line in general is selling like shit
Then why did they replace him with Bendis?
Cause to the executives at the time Bendis was a huge get and they let him pick what books he wanted to work on.
Because they thought Bendis would bring in an even larger audience.
Instead, they reduced the audience in the process.
>Why is Jon so much more popular than Clark?
>the mainline
>the sales are declining because no one is interested.
The shitty War World story has just gone on way too long - I mean, fricking Morrison's Authority mini came out last July - that's more than 12 fricking months this shit has been going on.
Whatever happened to "get woke, go broke"?
Sad that the main Superman book doesn't even crack the top 50.
Queers will buy anything with a rainbow on it
Anon no one is paying to see that list, screen shot it if you wanna brag that a homosexual is beating his father and tarnishing 80 years of history
>bragging about beating a four digit run
god damn lol
Holy shit bros!
Superman, starring Clark Kent as Superman, has generated more revenue and money than Superman starring Jon Kent.
GAYS BLOWN THE FRICK OUT
homosexuals are so pathetic,
DC being canned can't happen sooner for you gays.
So I guess 'go woke, go broke' was entirely the massive pile of horseshit we always knew it to be. Good to know.
Comics went broke a long time ago lol. You gays are fighting over abysmally low sales numbers and arguing over which number is fractionally higher than the other. This is a dying industry and you're fighting to give its corpse monkeypox.
Go woke, go broke is actually evident by the fact that DC has now had to rely on Batman and even then the numbers aren't that great. The only people keeping the industry alive at this point is speculators.
Batman is also woke. just like Superman.
What the frick are you talking about? DC over reliance on Batman has been a thing for years. This ain’t new
its more like going woke won't bring in an influx of new people like they initially thought, the made jon gay and that issue so better but then it went right back to the 40k and eventually 30k. Really wokeness alone (that isn't trying to be inflammatory) doesn't have a large effect on niche hobbies like comics
This is actually proof of it because Taylor's Superman is now at around Bendis' lowest numbers for Superman despite the hype/speculation the past months
The fact that this has so many people replying to it with words to the effect of 'nuh-uh, you're full of horseshit, stupidface' kinda goes a long way to showing how true it is and how people are snorting that copium
Good. Now DC's CEO can explain that Jon sells better than Clark and continue this for another few years.
https://www.comicbookrevolution.com/june-2022-single-issue-sales-rankings/
Here are the numbers not pay walled
These are from last month anon.
And SoK is outselling AC there too.
>Superman Son of Kal-El #12 (DC Comics)
>At #79
Why didn't OP mention this?
He’s also not talking about the worlds finest comic that’s trouncing it in sales
It says June right there anon, why are you so obsessed with Jon destroying the brand?
World's Finest has been kino so far.
Honestly most of the team up titles from dc have Ben great in the last few years
Batman really is DC's life support
Reminder that they hyped up #13 because it was going to have the debut of Dreamer, who was from the CW shows, which accounts for the jump in orders
Two Clark titles beat Jon though…
>Two Clark titles beat Jon though…
2 titles carried by Batman.
Okay.
>World without a justice league
>Batman tittle
it ok anon we'll wait
Jon should lead the JLQ instead
>gets molested
>becomes a homosexual
>always drawn with DSLs
What did DC mean by this?
who molested him, Ultraman or Jor-El
Taylor and bendis
>My dying medium is selling slightly better than your dying medium.
>65
>Tomasi's last issue was 34
It's honestly incredible how fast DC managed to ruin Superman for so many people.
Superman sadly was never gonna stay as popular as he once was thanks to Batman and Marvel with Spider-Man
My hero academia pretty much showed us that zoomers are BEGGING for an unironic hero like all might to pop up. Superman fits that bill to a T and it’s just DCs utter incompetence that prevents them from seeing that
Reminder that all the "Superman is a bad character" or "Superman is outdated" posts are made by people from WB/DC trying to shelve Superman
It's no coincidence that their movie plans involved getting rid of Superman and the increase of anti-Superman posts in the past few years
Technically they're competing with Marvel too. And Marvel has a plethora of titles like X-Men, Spider-man, Avengers, Thor, Hulk, etc. that are all doing really well.
Batman (and related characters) are the only real competitors DC has.
I accept your concession
That would require those zoomers to go into comic shops
Anon what is the actual difference in sales between the two though
Action Comics has been in a rut for 3 or 4 years now is the main reason. It needs a new team.
>Ranked #65 and 112
Yeesh I guess sups ain't as marketable as he use to be. How do they get people to give a shit about this character again
>sups ain't as marketable
you do know AC is not being marketed at all not even in the superman Instagram page only SSKE is
even before june it was outselling Jon this issue one beat out due to Dreamer introduction
Most fans complain about Superman being too overpowered from what I hear.
Shit outselling shit is still shit at the end of the day.
What exactly is the definition of an A-lister?
I mean if a character can't even get a book into the top 50 can they really by considered an A-lister? Or is top 100 the cut-off point?
The definitions got muddied a lot.
Recongition? Even starving children in africa now Superman, Batman and Spider-Man. If sales were used as metric every modern super hero know would be a irrelevant compared to some c-list x-men team in the 90s that nobody cares about
>Taylor's run with an aged-up Jon Kent is selling far worse than the Rebirth run of Clark/Superman that Jurgens and Tomasi were writing (and that people actually wanted to read)
>Nobody is interested in Superman in an Edgar Rice Burroughs/Planet Hulk retread. Hence the poor numbers for Action.
>Neither title is in the top fifty.
>DC messed up both characters by allowing Bendis to age up Jon Kent (ruining Super Sons for good as well as the Superboy for the next generation) and reveal Clark's secret identity yet again after it didn't work in the New 52.
>The Superman editor should be fired.
>Jim Lee should be fired.
There you go.
>>The Superman editor should be fired.
You know, I'm starting to wonder, how much of the directions was his idea?
Correct, Son of Kal El and Dark Crisis just seem so dead in the water, at least with Death Metal shit was actually happening no matter how moronic and the actual tried to have a new age of heroes that weren't just the JL with different skin tones and sex parts
They still have editors?
...
DC buying their own shit plus incentivizing conic shops to buy it.
See
The sales boost was speculative and I don't see it staying consistent
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Can somebody paste the Top 200 list?
I posted a site here
here that posts the sales rankings, no actual sales numbers but it’s not bad. It even breaks them down by franchise
Whatever sells sells.
It doesn’t actually sell though
What the frick is Jon’s life? What is he outside of being superman? Does he still live with Lois? How old is he? This all seems like the worst version of a cw show no one wanted
>Why is Jon so much more popular than Clark?
LMAO
>Gay Superman Book Completely Falls Off Top 50 Sales Chart
As much as I want SoK to fail, I feel these idiots are playing against me and my long term wishes by blaming on the "gay". The book was already doing bad well before the coming out was announced. People don't want aged up Jon. If they de-aged him 13-14 I wouldn't care if they kept him being bi. I fear blaming it on the gay they're making it easy for DC to double down on adult Jon by pretending to take moral high ground instead of just de-aging him. They're gay blaming better not frick us out of getting him de-aged.
More just plain spin doctoring.
The truth is that SoK is acting as a low ceiling to the Superman franchise. People don't want adult Jon and they positioned it as the "main" Superman book. It's selling the worse out of every Superman relaunch since the New 52, and it's selling worse than Supersons. The onlything it can really brag about is selling better than and outliving Bendis's Legion. It's objectively worse off than any other series you can directly compare it too.
Honestly the damage with Jon is done, all he’s ever going to be seen as is gay Superman. He got cut down to early to salvage, Damian is pretty much done as Robin and I don’t want to see a young Jon pushed as a gay on children. It’s a shame all we have left of Jon is gays bragging about tanking an 80 year old brand
>He got cut down to early to salvage,
I disagree.
>Damian is pretty much done as Robin
What are they going to do with Damian after his series ends? Even if they give him a new code name a de-aged Jon and him could still have super-sons relaunch.
>and I don’t want to see a young Jon pushed as a gay on children.
Well if you want to put your culture war and scorched earth mentality ahead of actually making things better that's your problem.
I want Jon de-aged to get close as possible to the Rebirth status quo as possible while accepting some compromises.
>It’s a shame all we have left of Jon is gays bragging about tanking an 80 year old brand
It's not the gay. It's the age up that's responsible for the bad sales. A straight adult Jon would be selling just as bad.
The only difference is we wouldn't have culture war tourists from /misc/ stinking things up in these threads.
I swear Taylor made Jon bi just to muddy the waters so any complaints of his book could be generalized as Homophobic and hand waved away
>Well if you want to put your culture war and scorched earth mentality ahead of actually making things better that's your problem.
Spoiler alert, that's all Culchur Worriers want to do. How many comic shops did we see talk about how people would come in saying 'why is Superman a gay now?!' one second, then saying 'I don't read comics, they're all juvenile garbage' the next?
And it's not just these threads they're fricking up, it's the entire goddamn board.
>b***h about the corporate attribution to the culture war
>in a thread bragging about homosexual Superman’s sales
I think it’s you who don’t belong here anon, it’s not unreasonable to discuss the problems within what they want to write. Corporate interest is pushing this homosexualry, why is it wrong to see how they consistently under cut these books and characters by pushing it? This isn’t just a one off or an elseworld, this is the mainline title for their oldest book, you’re literally saying that the people who dislike these constant choices are the problem but then consistently defend those choices made by the powers that be because you refuse to see the writing on the wall
Anon there’s isn’t anything there for Jon anymore, it’ll always be rooted back to his sexuality, he was cut down to early as a character so there isn’t anything to pull up FROM. The writers have shown they have no interest in writing him as just a kid and the powers that be, if they were smart, need to ignore him entirely in order to put Clark back together to have a semblance of a book that can sell in the top 50. Face it anon the culture war exists, and b***hing about people disliking what corporations are doing is the entire point of why the corporations make these decisions in the first place.
>you refuse to see the writing on the wall
The only writing I'm seeing is from people like you saying 'wah wah they made Superman like penis me no likey'. It's okay to be scared of change, but be honest with yourself about it.
No anon I’m frightened that a parent can have their child taken away from them because their teachers brain wash them into thinking that the uncertainty of adolescents is something that needs to be medicated. It being pushed by large multimedia conglomerates is also horrifying anon, I’m sorry that you think that bringing up problems that people have with the powers be is wrong, and I’m sorry that you think that these corporations can DO no wrong
Please. Take your war leave
>You can fix his age, but can't fix the gay and that's half the problem. There is nothing heroic about being a homosexual.
Innately? No, being gay doesn't make you more heroic. But it doesn't make you villainous or evil. It's a neutral quality.
Oh, wait, I forget the kind of person I'm arguing with here.
>Oh, wait, I forget the kind of person I'm arguing with here.
You're a massive homosexual if you think anyone is going to stick around for Young Jon being gay anon.
It always comes back to 'we're trying to protect THE CHILDREN from BRAINWASHING from the LIBRUL SATANIC AGENDA', because, as we all know, gay and trans people were only forced into existence five years ago during a ritual designed to stop Trump from getting into power, rather than existing literally since forever, yes I said Trump, congratulations on filling in whatever dogshit bingo card you feel wins you the argument.
Here's a picture of a ladder. Take it as the first step to getting the frick over whatever kind of insane nonsense people are telling you to believe
>literally since forever
>rather than existing literally since forever
Gay yes (though the modern concept of a sexual identity is rather new), but transsexuals are very new. Social constructivism is itself a young ideology, and applying it to sexuality is very new. And in case you missed it, modern identity politics was astroturfed around 2012 to derail Occupy Wall Street with ideological infighting.
>in case you missed it, modern identity politics was astroturfed around 2012 to derail Occupy Wall Street with ideological infighting.
Cool beans, now tell us the one about the gay frogs.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4586825/
The ph balance in our water supply has been fricked due to pollution by big pharma causing hormonal imbalance in frogs. What other ways do you want to defend our corporate over lords?
It's not pH, it's estrogen from birth control and estrogen-like chemicals from various (mostly agricultural) uses.
Actual surgical transgenderism is about 90 years old since it was invented in Weimar Germany. The first surgeries in the US were performed in the 50's. The process has likely been around since before you were born.
If we're talking about crossdressing it likely has existed since society came up with the idea for gender specific clothing.
What you describe there is within living memory, anon, with specific people on record having established it. Fully-modern humans have been around for about sixty thousand years. Men have had sex with men over that entire time span, but they generally did not "identify as" that, and people with homosexual inclinations generally pursued heterosexual relationships if they wanted children. And the notion that being a "woman" is a matter of subjective "identification" (itself a redefinition of what is more accurately termed self-conceptualization) is a parochial aspect of a modern subculture in parts of the modern West and is a tiny fringe view among global humanity even today, at its greatest popularity ever.
It’s more protecting children from big pharma trying to push drugs and hormones on them for profit. Though admittedly liberals push it harder than anyone because they need to convince themselves that they didn’t make terrible decisions to get them to that point. You’re not a culture anon, you’re tolerated degeneracy pushed for profit
Let's get him de-aged, and then we can see his sales and reception after being de-aged and then make a judgement whether he's actually still ruined? Maybe you'll be right, but maybe you'll be wrong. Sound good?
Then buy the movie that’s coming out I guess? They’ve tanked Damien so half of the reason to deage him is gone and the other half of the fun with him is the relationship with his father, which is gonna be gone with Clark not being a secret identity anymore. So there are at least two or three problems that DC has to retcon in order for the de aging to get us anywhere we want it to be. I’m sorry pessimism anon but the bigger picture is DC really fricked itself in the last 4 years in way that seems to require ANOTHER full ass reboot, that I don’t see them coming back from
Damian is not nearly tanked as a character.
Clark's secret identity is also going to have to be fixed sooner thamn later anyway. I think one of the reaons the Warworld stuff has been so drawn out is they don't know what to do with clark not having secret id back on Earth, so the only thing they could thing up was a long drawn out Exile rehash where his personal life wouldn't matter.
I don't think the whole universe is worth trashing. We can still salvage things.
>I don't think the whole universe is worth trashing.
Its not. At this point you might as well buy old shit and hope the industry goes through a crisis because its not going to get better.
Considering that as of right now the Superman books are the only ones I have any major problems with status quo wise, I see no reason to adopt such a scorched earth mindset.
The universe is messy anon “everything is canon” is a stupid idea and it feeds the idea that editors don’t need to do anything. Besides DC needs to figure out a way to get non bat books to sell, flash was the highest selling non bat related regular dc book and it fricking ranked 63rd overall. DC has a problem and they have no interest in solving it it seems
>“everything is canon”
Everything published as a certain media property by the owner of that media property is, indeed, canon. That's what "canon" means.
You clearly are an outsider who does understand the differences in official/canon/within the current made continuity. You are not a proper geek. Get out normie while you still can.
>continuity
This is the word for what you're describing, and is conceptually entirely independent of canonicity.
>The universe is messy anon “everything is canon” is a stupid idea and it feeds the idea that editors don’t need to do anything.
I like to think that could be fixed with something along the lines of a round of Secret Files specials for all the magor franchises like in the late 90's early 00's. A mix of profiles recapping the characters origins and histories and few continuity summarizing and patching stories.
>Besides DC needs to figure out a way to get non bat books to sell, flash was the highest selling non bat related regular dc book and it fricking ranked 63rd overall.
100% in agreement here. They are far too reliant on the Batline and neglecting everything else.
>DC has a problem and they have no interest in solving it it seems
An accurate summation, but a reboot itself won't change anything. Look at the state of DC in 2011 and the state of DC in 2012. The new 52 did more to hurt the universe than help. I believe the answer we need is more along the lines of Marvel in the 1970's and how Jim Shooter cleaned up their mess and ushered in a creative highpoint for the company during the 80's without rebooting the universe.
>A straight adult Jon would be selling just as bad.
A straight adult Jon wouldn't be wasting issues on his homosexual boyfriend.
You need to be over 18 to post on Cinemaphile, kiddo.
Me and my white blood cells think your comics suck ass Tom.
No, he'd be wasting issues on his equally unwanted stupid girlfriend in such a timeline.
The real problem is the age up. People don't want adult Jon.
>The real problem is the age up. People don't want adult Jon.
They don't want him to be a homosexual either because it means dragging him into homosexual nonsense like
.
How about we de-age Jon first. It's much easier issue to fix.
He didn't grow up. He got time an universe displaced and got tortured in a volcano by Ultraman for 7 years. And the age up happened first.
Oh, and we're not all insane rightwing culture warrior nutsos who think gays are a cancer on society.
>That's the bigays who want to save face.
That's a new one.
>Everyone knows the gay and aging process ruined Jon.
It was the age up. And it can be fixed.
You can fix his age, but can't fix the gay and that's half the problem. There is nothing heroic about being a homosexual.
>It's not the gay. It's the age up that's responsible for the bad sales. A straight adult Jon would be selling just as bad.
It is absolutely the gay over the age-up that tanked the character. He had been aged up for quite a while and fans were slowly getting used to it under Bendis. Then comes along Taylor and suddenly Jon can’t stop sucking wieners and gets turned into the queerest zoomer caricature imaginable. Just because your a gay doesn’t mean the rest of us want to see Superman’s son getting intimate with another guy. Stop projecting on the normal readers.
>It is absolutely the gay over the age-up that tanked the character. He had been aged up for quite a while and fans were slowly getting used to it under Bendis.
What the frick are you on? No one was getting used to it, everyone hated it, turning him gay was just the cherry on the shit sundae.
OH NO NO NO
These are the latest numbers covering floppy sales for July 2022 (Top 200):
26 Batman Superman Worlds Finest #5
41 Dark Crisis Worlds Without A Justice League Superman #1 (One-Shot)
65 Superman Son of Kal-El #13
96 Superman Space Age #1 (Of 3)
112 Action Comics #1045
https://www.comicbookrevolution.com/july-2022-single-issue-comic-book-sales-rankings/#superman
PKJ is a trash writer
They're clearly pushing these legacy heroes as replacements. We have the same thing with Black Adam and Malik White.
>seven mentions of gay and none of Jon's bisexuality
Until he starts swapping spit with some girl he's just going to be gay.
Bisexuals are just gays in denial anon.
Anyway, does anyone know how low the numbers have to get for DC to cancel it?
I'm loving Action Comics right now. But I'm also only buying it in trade because I only buy floppys of indie books that need the monthly sales to survive.
So we all agree Jon would fight to let Dore Alley happen regardless of monekypox, right?
I'm surprised that Cinemaphile is more offended by Jon growing up than Jon being openly gay.
That's the bigays who want to save face. Everyone knows the gay and aging process ruined Jon.
The aging up could’ve been undone and course corrected easily, the homosexualry just guarantees that the earth is salted around his character and can’t ever be salvaged
This shitheap is unironically infested by trannies and SJWs from twitter. What do you think?
>gay wants to see Jon de-aged so he can see him make out with his older boyfriend
You're the only one who wants that.
I'm the one who wants Jon to be a young again and not gay. You know, what he was before they ruined him?
Gay people will always be seen as gross degenerates by the greater part of humanity. Why else do you think John Constantine is the best LGBT character DC has?
>wholesome moments gone like dust in the wind
How would people react if the next author to write Jon degayed him?
I would cream my pants if it was Tomasi and he just erased all of the shit they did to Jon. The gays would throw a fit and then forget about it because they don't actually read these comics.
It can’t possibly happen without Twitter having a complete melt down and going berserk.
The only way he can be salvaged is if the aged up Jon is revealed to be a degenerate version from Earth 3, and shunted into the future to gay around with Bendis’s legion, while the real young Jon continues on.
>It can’t possibly happen without Twitter having a complete melt down and going berserk.
That's exactly why it should be done; to demonstrate that the opinions of twittergays are utterly worthless.
>It can’t possibly happen without Twitter having a complete melt down and going berserk.
Why do you even still fricking care about this
Are you Tom Taylor
>fricking queers
Pease Discovery fire all but Joshua Williamson and hire Christopher Priest, Geoff Johns and Grant back.
Priest is the one doing the Black Adam mini, Johns says he's going to be getting around to doing follow up on Stargirl oneshot "soon", and Grant did the Superman joins the Authority mini. So all three of them are technically on the payroll.
Johns is either lazy and/or only doing DC Comics work as a hobby while he focuses on things that actually make money, and Grant Morrison keeps saying for a while now he wants to walk away from DC and just do indy work.
For Priest, Cinemaphile has no satire reading ability and are taking Priest's "White Adam" seriously.
>For Priest, Outrage Youtuber Shills have no satire reading ability
Fixed
You know this to be true
> Priest is the one doing the Black Adam mini
Oh good I need to check that out.
> Grant did the Superman joins the Authority mini
Grant was forced to do that. I wasn't sure if he still works for DC but they need to give him more freedom.
>Johns is either lazy and/or only doing DC Comics work as a hobby while he focuses on things that actually make money
They should make Johns the lead writer/editor/publisher. Like come on DC Rebirth was better than we could hope for. Also Green Lantern Rebirth was the breasts.