just finished this. i think I can safely say its one of the best written stories in tv history.

just finished this. i think I can safely say its one of the best written stories in tv history. its a shame they didn't get the extra seasons/budget they needed to tie up a few loose story lines. I feel a bit empty now that its over.

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Did you watch the movies and Crusade?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I have them, but after reading the synopsis's I'm not particularly interested in those storylines, I really wanted to see how the The Drakh storyline ends and I wanted to see Bester get his comeuppance. Also I'm hesitant to start Crusade because I know it gets cancelled early and it'll just leave me even more blueballed.

      I was apprehensive about the planned reboot at first but if J Michael Strancisky is back as showrunner, maybe it'll actually turn out good.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        You sbould definitely watch In the Beginning

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        And At All Costs

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >I was apprehensive about the planned reboot at first but if J Michael Strancisky is back as showrunner, maybe it'll actually turn out good.
        there will definitely be trannies and other weird shit going in in the reboot
        Delenn will be a man

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          unfortunately a possibility considering Straczynski worked on sense8 and it was full of troony propaganda

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >he doesn't know

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            that was my point it was only not done for technical reasons and possibility someone told him it was weird as frick and the audience wouldn't like it
            imagine now

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              In earth final conflict they cast women as agendered aliens.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                there's every reason to think that JMS did that to then have the same plot of turning into a half-human with the addition of being female too

                [...]
                [...]
                There's also some stuff out there about Straczynski having wanted G'Kar to be transformed into a female Narn at one point and seduce Londo - apparently he even went as far as commissioning the prop makers to make some fake breasts to Katsulas' measurements before he was talked out of it

                doesn't surprise me
                unironically imagine what he'd be like now given a free reign

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >he doesn't know

          that was my point it was only not done for technical reasons and possibility someone told him it was weird as frick and the audience wouldn't like it
          imagine now

          There's also some stuff out there about Straczynski having wanted G'Kar to be transformed into a female Narn at one point and seduce Londo - apparently he even went as far as commissioning the prop makers to make some fake breasts to Katsulas' measurements before he was talked out of it

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It is really good, even the 90sness of the moralizing can't bring it down.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It truly is.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    is it worth watching after first ones leave? mars shit is boring as hell

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      yeah I had no clue where they would go after it seemed like they had tied up the main shadow war plotline but it actually remains consistent in quality and ties up a lot of other storylines

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, second half of s4 is still good - first half of s5 is the worst part of the entire series, second half of s5 is really good

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. S4 is fast because it was essentially two seasons crammed into one, but that's a good thing a show like Babylon 5 which moved at glacial pace. There's even a "future history" bit at the end of S4 and you can just leave the show there if you want.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Stop caring. That’s literally all you have to do.
    Just imagine this G'Kar everytime you get mad, sad, anxious, jealous, etc.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Didnt it kind of copy DS9 and they way DS9 had a space station and an overall story arc?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No one can agree who copied who. I mean, they are both on a station and both have a war with a sinister elitist enemy but apart from that nothing is the same

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Kek, yea star trek just so happened to come up with a space station hub show by themselves shortly after meeting JMS and turning him down. And it was just a coincidence it had so many of the same plot points like the captain being the religious chosen one who has a destiny from some prophecy

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          it was the wise choice. They saw that B5 alone was not gonna be a commercial success, so they took what they recognized was a good storyline, and slapped the Star Trek franchise on it in order to drag in an already loyal fanbase.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      i doubt it, because j michael straczynski had his storyline planned out and written long before DS9 was even a thing I'm pretty sure. and even if there are similarities, and as a person who likes DS9 a lot and considers it one of his favorite shows, the story of B5 is just more coherent and planned out and better written, as opposed to the sort of ass pull that the Founders storyline was with DS9.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I think the fact he had the entire storyline written out is what makes managing all the character changes because of actors departing all the more impressive. A lesser script would've crumbled under such drastic changes.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          every character had a "trapdoor" written if the actor needed to vanish

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Replacing the leading man because the actor went mental must have been one of the toughest things to deal with.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No one can agree who copied who. I mean, they are both on a station and both have a war with a sinister elitist enemy but apart from that nothing is the same

      Allegedly Straczynski pitched B5 to Paramount, who turned it down - then 6-12 months later DS9 was announced shortly after B5

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Other way around, DS9 straight up ripped off B5

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      DS9 ripped off B5, but it was a good thing in the end because we got two kino shows out of the same story.

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    it's up there
    it never quite feels satisfying. It sort of reminds me of SG1 in that way like big storylines and wars never quite felt like that happened but I imagine that's largely a budgetary issue
    also almost all of the humorous scenes are cringey and awkward

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Must have been weird for Jeff Conaway to do the substance abuse talk scene with Girabaldi considering he was near the peak of his own substance abuse issues when it was filmed. I wonder if the scene was written just for him

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Definitely felt that way

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      the voyager writers would write things in like the actors getting fat.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      So that's why he acted weird. I thought he was just a wooden actor.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      He looks like complete shit in season 5

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I liked the episode where Ivanova had a gangbang to make peace between two conflicting tribes

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Best and worst actors on the show?
    Worst for me is this woman who plays the Mars resistance leader - it's almost like she's reading her lines off an autocue, just terrible. Tracy Scoggins is also shit imo, and I'd probably follow shortly after with Jerry Doyle who was mostly terrible at acting, just had a good role.
    Best for me would be Peter Jurasik closely followed by Katsulas - Mira Furlan shortly after.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      forgot pic

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Bruce Boxleitner was good in his scenes, better than Michael O'Hare though O'Hare had a weird gravitas to him

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        They were just supposed to be very different in terms personality and characters. They simply happened to fill the same role.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          well yeah
          Sinclair begins the series as the Minbari's b***h boy
          Sheridan starts out as suspicious of them

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I liked that, how they replaced a departed character with someone very different instead of someone similar.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah I think Boxleitner was really good as a motivational leader - felt his range isn't amazing though, he does inspiring and angry pretty well, but didn't feel he was so good in the emotional scenes

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      forgot pic

      my mind totally blanked on "mars resistance leader" until I saw the image. that's how forgettable she was.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        tbf she only briefly appears in about three episodes during the shadow war and then briefly again in one or two in s5 if i remember rightly

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >it's another 'Londo cheats at gambling with his penis' episode

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    watched till sesson 3. pretty mediocre

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Congratulations and welcome to the fold.

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Watching it again, it feeks kinda weird how many 20th Century references there are in the dialogue given it's set around 2260.
    I mean, I get why, but I honestly don't expect people to remember who Helen Keller was to the point you can reference her in conversation in 2260.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      To say nothing of this monstrosity

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It's a human God, you alien heathen.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      typical scifi issue
      only way to get around it is to either make the show less human culture-centric or throw in some made up later pop culture references. Red Dwarf actually does this well where the characters make confused 20th century cultural references and then reference things in their time that is understandable as a thinly veiled reference to something at the time the show was written
      B5 often does stuff like, "oooh, to use a human phrase..." it's funny I suppose but makes it ridiculous that humans have such a cultural pull when they're such newcomers to the galactic stage

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous
  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that Cinemaphile was, is, and always shall be, a PURPLE board.

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    after all this time we got nothing comparable, this show is truly something special if you look past the dated sets.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Up yours, die!

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      We will not get anything like Babylon 5 ever again until we cure woke/SJW cancer. I'm glad JMS created the show in the 90s, now it will be plagued by woke diversity crap.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        did you not read

        >he doesn't know

        [...]
        [...]
        There's also some stuff out there about Straczynski having wanted G'Kar to be transformed into a female Narn at one point and seduce Londo - apparently he even went as far as commissioning the prop makers to make some fake breasts to Katsulas' measurements before he was talked out of it

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Delenn was a woman and is still a woman. I don't give a frick about coulda woulda shoulda.

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Le everyman leader
    >Le Wooden delivery quip chick
    >Le Autistic know it all doctor
    >Le Klingon, Romulan, and Cardassian stand-in races
    >Le Comic Relief Security Chief
    >Le "My tone"

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Butthurt detected.

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Waiting for the reboot. It will be bad, but still waiting. I read somewhere that it's supposed to come out in late 2023, haven't heard about them starting to film yet though, so idk.

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