>BREAKER OF INFINITIES 4-144
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>Prim came to a part of the road that was well worn. The path split and furrowed into pleasant little runoff trails, that twisted and snaked their way through groves of gently rustling trees. The undergrowth was thick and green and warm with insects and flowers. Prim felt some of the tension drain from her body and she rested a while under a tree, feeling quite relaxed. After a while, she took a short and refreshing nap, and awoke to the distant voices of travelers a short ways down the trail. When she went out to greet them, she saw them clothed in white, and their faces and features were quite nondescript, as though washed in the ocean a while. “Hello sister,” said they, “Who are you?” “I am called Prim, who was the slave of Hansa, and now slave of the road,” said Prim. “You are in luck, sister,” said the white-clothed people. “This is the end of the road. You are free!” Prim gazed past the travelers through the treetops to see a broad and verdant valley, spotted with the trim rooftops of innumerable houses, each sporting a neat little plume of smoke. It looked like a very nice place to be, and Prim’s heart burned with a certain kind of longing she had not felt in a long while. “What is this place?” asked Prim.
>The travelers looked at each other, as if it was an odd question. “This the valley of Eternal Life,” they said. Prim was taken aback, as Immortality was one of the Three Forbidden Punishments. Seeing her expression, the travelers laughed stupidly, as though they had stumbled across a small and confused child. “Don’t be so shocked,” said one of the travelers,”it’s true! Nobody knows want, hunger, or sickness. Our days are spent tending our gardens, talking to our neighbors and families, and praising God, who has granted us this boon. Death does not touch us here. People are neither born, nor die in this land. Our needs are cared for and the land is pleasant and green. What else could we want?” “You should join us, sister,” added one of the travelers, “as God is good, you will know nothing but happiness in this valley.” “Can you leave?” said Prim, who had an expression like she had tasted something sour. The travelers looked at each other in confusion. “Of course not,” said they, “why would we want to? It is impossible to leave the valley.” “What else do you get up to?” said Prim tentatively, “Other than praising god, tending to your gardens, and talking to your neighbors?” The travelers were very confused indeed, and seemed to think this was a very odd question. “Are you happy?” added Prim, as if this would help. “Yes, of course,” said the travelers, smiling blithely. The expression on their faces was hard to read, but to Prim their words came out like a warm paste. “You will know nothing but happiness in this valley.” “This land is terribly cursed,” said Prim, and moved on.
that's stupid, not everyone wants to struggle all the time
I'd be quite content in that valley, smoking my pipe.
Preach it brother, people trying to cope with mortality by putting down immortality will never not be cringe.
Immortality is a curse. No matter how idyllic or wonderful it may seem, no mind is meant to endure eternity. Would you still love your family, friends, or the world around you after 1000 years? How about a million? There is no end and no escape. Although death will never touch you, you will still lose everything good and precious about life.
>Immortality is a curse. No matter how idyllic or wonderful it may seem, no mind is meant to endure eternity. Would you still love your family, friends, or the world around you after 1000 years? How about a million? There is no end and no escape. Although death will never touch you, you will still lose everything good and precious about life.
You only think that because of your animes, stories told to you by remorse-filled social outcasts with no greater sense of purpose.
Unless your mind is going to somehow deteriorate from age, it could be pretty grand to live in the river of time forever.
Prim's immortal village is only hell because there's no change or choice.
To know life eternal is to be as Yisun. It is to know all perspectives and possibilities. For, over the course of endless time, you will surely experience all of them. Can you not see how such an existence is wreched and devoid of meaning?
No not at all, you do you but that that sounds great no matter which tortured analogies you try and spin it with.
>devoid of meaning
What even is "meaning" and why do we attach such value to it? Is it so wrong for something to just exist? If all things are Yisun telling lies to Yisun, then that includes the suffering over a lack of meaning and they are just making shit up to be upset about.
I think the torture is more boredom. Like watching a movie you've seen a dozen times before. You know what happens, but there is still that one part you hate. You can't remove it, and it will always be there. And that's the problem. You know wvery part, good and bad. You can't change it because you know one action must follow another. And it will start to get boring.
Once again i think you VASTLY overestimate the abilities of the human memory. I sometimes find a random movie/book/activity/game and go "Holy shit i don't remember anything about this beyond that i loved it last time" and that's for shit that's like 4 or 5 years old in my memory. I find this whole boredom thing very weird when it requires so much more of the human mind that it may as well be a separate superpower that somehow always gets lumped in with immortality when they have nothing to do with each other.
>Once again i think you VASTLY overestimate the abilities of the human memory.
One I'm not that Anon, and two I think you'revastly underestimating what your mind considers important information. Case in point, my gouse had a single farside comic book. I have read and re-read it so many times over the years. that the cover alone is enough to illicit a response. A sort of "oh god not again" feeling. I am THEORIZING, not stating as fact, that this what Prim sees in the farming communuty. Monotony, repeated so much that the boredom becomes physical pain.
Yes, that’s ONE THING anon, you can do more than ONE THING, and we aren’t just talking about the valley in the comic, so if you get bored, you can move on tonOTHER THINGS, there are entire cultures, vast WORLDS of stories and skills and shit you can do that would take thousands of years to master them all, and by then you’d still have more because THE WORLD WOULD CONTINUE.
I've seen an anime called Drifters about 7 times and that's just over this last year. I've seen Firefly about as many times over the years. It's not the last time I'll watch either and I'll enjoy them just as much as the last time I watched them.
You see eternity as stagnation when you should see it as growth. Would I love someone I love now in 1000 years? Yes of course, because love isn't stagnant. Infatuation can crumble and decay yes but love grows like all things grow. If you truly love someone then as you spend time together you'd find new things about them to love.
If your love is so fragile that 1000 lifetimes renders it into powder then how can you call it love?
You lose that shit when you're mortal, too.
Smoking your pipe might get old after a few millennia.
Not if it has some good tobacco in it.
I'm pretty sure smoking his pipe was the only thing Hansa actually enjoyed. He b***hed and moaned about everything else.
Hansa doesn't have to have been a real person. For all intents and purposes Hansa is the self-insert. He's the character in the parable that's open minded enough to embrace YISUN's stupid horseshit and in doing so you grasp the secrets of the universe. He's the opposite of the skeptic, the Abraham or Paul rather than the Judas.
Hansa and Aesma are two sides of the same coin in their relation to YISUN. They are both YISUN's most beloved and they both exemplify what is possible if you, in Hansa's case actually listen to the liar or in Aesma's case, ignore him, him being reality and creation.
What Jadis is doing right now is playing the foil to YISUN in a lot of ways - she gets it but the bits of life: ambition, survival, sustainability get int the way. I think more of the story should have been spent actually talking to the Demiurges, to flesh out the fact that what's holding them back is buying in to YISUN's horseshit in the way Aesma, Hansa, and Meti have. Like, there's no doubt all of them understand it, they know what is possible but there should have been times of reflection. Like the story should have had Solomon really reflect on what White Chain did, not only by hitting him but sublimating into flesh rather than some stupid democracy speech. Solomon isn't an idiot, he knew what happened there in the same way the Red King knew what was happening when Aesma was completely losing her shit.
It will never stop being funny to me that most of the discourse around the comic surround things that aren't even in the official physical release. Gotta wonder how empty this story really would
feel if we had nothing but the actual panels and none of the side stories.
The physical release has enough of the side stories when last I read through them. I can't be bothered to figure out which stories are missing but I'm sure the missing stories do the physical release a disservice. The alt-text being missing from the physical release isn't great either.
This whole fricking story is worthless without the conversations we have here. It has more value from hearing people point out how badly it's being told. Imagine reading this story without talking about it with people - you'd risk thinking it's only some shitty manga thing with cliched shit all over the place.
I mean, I enjoyed it even without discussion. But I also enjoy discussion that isn’t just shitting on it.
There’s a ton to love about this comic and I don’t know why we can’t talk about that. I’d like to see another devil drinking song, we only have two.
>I don’t know why we can’t talk about that
Because it's possible that future pages can retroactively taint the goodness of the ones that came before it. We can circle jerk all day about how good the earlier pages are but for what seems like the past two years we've crawled closer and closer to the ending that was (and still is) at risk of not really landing any of the numerous and complex plot threads of the story and in my view of things it's worth b***hing about that on the half chance Abby still fricking browses this website and might unfrick himself.
Sucking him off about pages he was incredibly successful with like the drinking game isn't going help stop him from crashing this plane. How many writers out there are just surrounded by people telling them their farts smell great and what happens - they can't stick a landing and suddenly the entire work becomes a waste of time for all future readers. And you can't say "oh but there was a sweet devil drinking game in the early books" as a significant redeeming factor because that's just dishonest.
The routine would eventually drive you crazy.
Why does everyone assume immortality comes with perfect memory. You'd forget all sorts of shit and get to experience stuff again for the first time over and over, you'd be nearly a completely different person with enough passing time.
This, unless it’s some curse that also makes you remember everything forever or you’re actually cursed with perfect memory, you can easily fall into a routine for decades and be perfectly content, and with immortality, centuries, especially considering you have other people there too. All these ADHD morons who can’t stil still for an hour seem to forget other ways of living exist and people have gone entire life times performing routine shit with absolutely no problem
Because most "immortality bad" takes are just dishonest sour grapes bullshit written by people that spent less than a minute thinking before posting
Not always.
To enjoy immortality, you’d have to embrace the philosophy of Mono no Aware to an exceptional degree. You’d have to be able to appreciate the temporary nature of things more than you fear and feel pain at their temporariness.
I do not believe that is a tall order in of itself. Flowers bloom and die every year, and we take joy in it all the same.
But flowers are low stakes. Friendships and lovers hook deeper into our soul. Can you afford to form deep friendships with someone whose life is but a drop in a bucket? The time they spend in your life is less than a boy gets with his childhood dog, whom he weeps for after twelve long years of loyalty and love. How long until they all begin to blur together? Does it hurt to know that you eventually forget their faces and their names slip from you? I think for many, it would. Can you afford, emotionally, to form deep relationships when you are eternal? Over and over again.
I once asked my mother if she would want to live another hundred years. She said no. She’s tired. She’s only sixty but she’s already tired, and the state of the world makes her sad. Even just another hundred years doesn’t appeal to her. I didn’t even ask about eternity.
And I wouldn’t want to be there for the heat death of the universe. At that moment, I would be the most lonely creature in existence. I think that would be a terrible way to go.
Nah
Your entire argument is founded upon the nonsensical view that your family and friends wouldn't also be elevated to immortality in such a scenario or that you'd have to be stuck in a shitty awful situation for all eternity.
How is it nonsensical to assume your family and friends will not be granted immortality in this scenario? Why would you assume it?
If humanity doesn't invent interstellar travel before going extinct and then the planet die, you will be left hanging in endless space for eternity. You will spend that entire time gasping for air too, but never dying. There's nothing good about that.
That's several billions years' worth of un-Royally giving up and not even being open to the possibility to assert an inevitable outcome, anon. Who do you want to be, the man who gives up becomes his water bottle is empty or the glorious fool who sees its empty but keeps moving towards his goal with his last breath?
Anyone who says dying makes you human doesn't get it. Being human makes you die, and raging against that moment with every fibre of your being is the most human thing there is.
>Anyone who says dying makes you human doesn't get it. Being human makes you die, and raging against that moment with every fibre of your being is the most human thing there is.
I have never before encountered a human being as based as you.
He's repeating the message from a comic book that he internalized. That's not royal.
I beg to differ. Encountering and making the external, internal, is one of the most royal things one can do.
One cannot become royal by only carefully shaping the internal, for that leads to decay.
So are you by reading KSBD and taking it at face value ;^)
>g.g.g.guys please I am genius, I even posted CHAD, obey I solved LIFE
You'd probably get used to it eventually
>Immortality bad takes are dishonest
>But for Immortality to not be hell we can just assume that you get a memory reset every mortal lifespan like you're some sort of goldfish
Immortality can only work if there's enough shit for you to do before falling into monotony. You would also have to deal with everyone you form bonds with dying.
>They seem to do alright for the most part
They don't. Petal knights engage in hedonism and depravity because they're discontent with the state of the world, thorn knights want to destroy the multiverse and concordant knights are mostly deeply unhappy and disillutioned because they keep a peace everyone else has broken, they're coded to do so. Not to mention, most of the angels have been reset at multiple points. Eventually, all things in the multiverse fall into decay.
Sour grapes, just because sone people can’t cope with it doesn’t mean anyone can’t
As opposed to real life where the people you form bounds with are all eternal lmao
"But people die" is always hilarious.
This. Most everyone from your parents generation will die before you. A few billion people will die before you. Rejecting immortality because the roomful of people you know right now will die sometime is laughably stupid.
For many of them, your eternal memory of them will be their only real legacy.
It’s not about the bonds being eternal. It’s about not having to go through breaking them over and over again in a relatively short span of time.
Let’s say you make a best friend. You are best friends for eighty years. He dies before you.
You live an ordinary lifespan, so it only happens once or perhaps a few times.
If you’re immortal, it happens over and over again, until you either break from sadness or stop pursuing such bonds.
Black person I’ve had multiple groups of friends I’ve had to let go of due to distance and time. Everyone does. Unless your a weak willed b***h you get over it. Or cope with it to distract yourself.
You must not have been that close to them. Some people have friendships that last a lifetime and run deep.
I’m sure you had fun with them and stuff, but there are friendships that become like… family. They are family. And when they die, it feels like you lost a piece of your soul, because they were such a staple part of your life.
Due to distance and time? Why did you let go of them?
My parents have friends who remained dear friends even when they were across the country or another continent away. Some haven’t been seen in years, but they always send cards, write to them, advise each other, and call. And when they travel, they host each other and it’s a big celebration. Distance and time didn’t stop them. Some of these friendships have lasted more than forty years, despite time and distance.
You let go because you didn’t care enough. That’s okay, that’s fine. But imagine losing friends you DO care enough to not let go of, over and over and over again.
I wonder if this is also just a generational thing
It’s a mind set/generation thing yes obviously. Also frick you I literally couldn’t contact these people because I was a child and it was so many years later they moved on because people move on. You can deeply love someone and loose them and continue to exist, I have, nearly everyone does. You move on. It’s human nature, you cope and you eventually forget the pain.
I think we’re just talking past each other, anon.
Then stop
Rude
Here’s your oblivion you ordered, enjoy.
That’s an interesting piece of art actually
>Yeah, that's pretty neat. But can you please just get in the fricking bag.
Not just friends, though. You'd outlast children, grandchildren, eventually all relationships would become fleeting without exception unless you meet another immortal. There's no point of reference in a mortal life.
Also ultimately this is a con, but it's not a defining one. People could become accustomed to it, but It's a legitimate reason for people to not want immortality. And one difficult to disprove since no one has lived long enough to experience it.
Jesus you Fricks are mopey sad frickers, I’m not repeating myself
>Immortality may or may not be hell, no one can really know because it's all theoretical and all lifeforms are temporary so eternal life is difficult to fathom
>WAH YOU'RE ALL SAD MOPEY FRICKS MUH SOUR GRAPES MUH DISHONESTY
Kek what do you even have at stake anon, to project like that and make so many assumptions. I'd like a few more years of life to do all the things I wouldn't be able to in a normal lifespan, but true immortality is an entirely different beast
Bitch
Yeah, I’d be fine with immortality if I had the agency to end my life when I’d had enough. The problem is immortality implies, well, lack of mortality.
To me, immortality just means you don't get old and can't get sick, not that you can literally never die, ever.
>To me, immortality just means you don't get old and can't get sick, not that you can literally never die, ever.
There have always been multiple definitions. The ancient Greeks had stories about it, and that's from thousands of years ago.
Sooner or later all carnival rides get boring. Cringe worldling homosexual
>noooooooooo you can't just enjoy eternal life without suffering
Blow it out your ass
Sorry anon, I'm too moronic, forgetful and uninsightful to be bothered by immortality. I'll be doing the same thing 5000 times and barely recognize it as repetitive. Ignorance is bliss for the ever living.
Eat shit homosexual
>They don't. Petal knights engage in hedonism and depravity because they're discontent with the state of the world, thorn knights want to destroy the multiverse and concordant knights are mostly deeply unhappy and disillutioned because they keep a peace everyone else has broken
The Petal Knights are the result of Zoss shattering the purpose of their existence, and the Thorns have been pulled into a doomsday cult by their former leader, who's unhappy because he's been left in a permanent state of Beatle Bailey after Sarge has worked him over.
>You'd forget all sorts of shit and get to experience stuff again for the first time over and over, you'd be nearly a completely different person with enough passing time.
That just sounds like death with extra steps.
Well see that depends on just how bullshit this inmortality is. Does it follow natural law and just bend the rules so you're body never degrades and giving you a pristine, but finite brain capacity? Then yes, some things will fade as your brain subconciously decides something that happened a thousand years ago is no longer important. But it will still remember that cringy thing you did as a kid.
Or does it go total bullshit and retains your body's natural chemist through magic and gives your brain infinite space?
I mean to be fair, those people sound like some creepy cult weirdos, immortality or no.
I probably wouldn't trust them either.
is it really so hard to believe people can be happy?
Well given this is obviously pulling from the Buddhist line of thinking of immortality bad cessation of existence good, yes, given they see immortality as both unnatural(lmao given the setting), and that theoretically infinite life=infinite suffering given that life is suffering.
But this is also a mode of thought and philosophy that comes from the east where given the general immense amount of death and suffering that occurred regularly, it makes sense they’d come to that conclusion that there is no happiness on earth.
I mean the Angels and Demons of this universe are naturally immortal, and they seem to do alright for the most part.
Yeah hence the lmao, people get all pissy about immortality but they just don’t have the correct mindset.
Also it’s just a sour grapes story because Abby is kind of a hack
The biggest mistake he ever made was not collaborating with an artist. He should have stuck to writing/design, and found someone to chug away at the artwork.
For his own personal well-being, and for the wider popularity of the comic. Was he not ambitious enough? Too possessive of it as HIS thing? I dunno.
They physical comics read like they are printed on black paper, and are a pain in the ass to enjoy.
the frick are you talking about? having different people for the story and art is why most comics are shit. a single guy doing it can have much more cohesion on the comic is presented
What a stupid take. The Claremont/Byrne collaboration produces some of the greatest Marvel works ever. Mignola/Fredrego was the absolute high-point of Hellboy. There are innumerable classic collaborations.
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Maybe he likes doing art.
How is he a hack?
What? I thought he just had a heart issue that caught him by surprise.
Men with no families who live a Japanese comic artist's life kill their life expectancy. And Muira was devolving into a pedo smut artist with his side projects. He was going to end up another Masamune Shirow, who primarily does Blacked.com style manga (set in the future!).
>Men with no families who live a Japanese comic artist's life kill their life expectancy
I mean...he put out one chapter every six months or so. And had a wildly popular comic despite that. I feel like he was doing pretty well for himself.
And now he's dead young, and his magnum opus, his legacy, his stab at immortality, is in the hands of his jr. assistants.
you don't understand, anon. half-naked lesbians are extremely relevant to the plot!
Well the entire tournament arc trying to paint Solomon David as a horrible tyrant who is bad, while making it look like the nicest place in the multiverse to live that’s a bit strict with a ruler that essentially just have high standards, and Abby just shoehorning in the “see u a bad guy” with gog and the troony angle (I’m joking) giving him a talking too. Not to mention his random meltdown that seemed out of character as if he had time to consider he was a tyrant or something between panels
Dude, twenty years for drunkenness isn’t just a little strict
Yeah, I agree, but he still did a piss job of showing salami dong as anything more than a really strict god king, especially in comparison to literally the rest of the setting
That is entirely fair. Relatively speaking, it’s the only place that isn’t a chaotic free for all.
Was anon, WAS
Take your petty insults and sour grapes and shove them up your ass, of course it hurts, but you’d grow to the point where you can deal with it because it would be moronic not to.
Lol whoops meant for
Having the serfs build and then tear down his giant arena every few years by grueling unassisted human labour so the populace can watch his egotistic murder parties on LCD screens demonstrated it to me, but I agree it should have been shown less subtly.
Just don't get drunk lmoa.
That woman must be feeling very stupid after seeing Solomon go above and beyond the call of duty to knock Jag out of creation. Assuming she and the others weren't immolated when he took off, anyway.
Hm I thought it was said by Abbadon that Solomon's realm was the nicest you could have from the 7. And that he has had time to consider that he's just a tyrant in the end, but is too stagnant to fix himself, like the rest
Yeah sure he can tweet all he wants but it was poorly done in the story and that’s all that actually matters
To add to the problem here, saying Solomon is a tyrant that has created the most liveable world but is too stagnant to improve himself comes across as a bit of a double standard when Allison, White Chain and Cio are all frickups that can be said to be "stuck in a rut" at various points in their lives yet are never quite considered to be the same amount of "irredeemably" stagnant despite Cio having operated as her ex-partner's accountant for a while and wanting to settle down, White Chain ostensibly being a double agent for 2 Michael for most of the story and Allison being...Allison.
This, this is the problem with the story, one that has not even been remotely addressed. Everyone keeps acting like Alice is some force of change when in reality all she’s done is make shit worse, caused no one to really change, and is essentially the same character from the moment she stoped that initial training arc.
Angel's are immortal but they can still die. All the 86 White Chains before ours are dead and gone. Devils die too, Cio is not the same as her previous self even though she has the same mask. That self is dead as disco.
> Cio is not the same as her previous self even though she has the same mask. That self is dead as disco.
Yeah Cio was different, but she still had memories from her life as Yabalchoath. Her mask was made from the fragments of Yabalchoath's and in likeness of her. I guess it depends on how you define a "self", but it's more of a reincarnation situation than a Frankenstein type thing.
And Yab was also very close to coming back.
That wasn't Yab, that was just Cio acting like her. Yab never felt any remorse or guilt over what she was doing, Cio did but surrendered to it anyway because she didn't think she could be anything else.
>is it really so hard to believe people can be happy?
you don't even know what happiness is.
Happiness is knowing I live in Christ.
>Happiness is knowing I live in Christ.
Proving my point entirely, live in ignorance if you want that's all you have.
I'm not the person you were talking to. I'm just jumping in to say. Happiness is knowing you live in Christ. Best you accept that. There's no such thing as good in this world. The only good is God.
It's more common on certain other boards. History. Paranormal. /pol/. Occasionally trans Christians on /lgbt/.
If you want, I could go on a rant about how Prim's view on immortality is both right and wrong. I know my theology a bit.
>I'm not the person you were talking to. I'm just jumping in to say. Happiness is knowing you live in Christ. Best you accept that. There's no such thing as good in this world. The only good is God.
You believe in nothing, you don't live by the words, you don't live by the book. You wouldn't even have invoked his name if you did.
What are you even talking about.
Is it a sin to proselytize?
Proselytization reduces persons to things that must be conquered. In other words, proselytization is sin.
That's you. Enjoy hell.
Justify that by scripture.
>Justify that by scripture.
Scripture says that people will come to you if you lead by example, you are not to take pride (sin), use force (sin) or push in public (pride, lying). You follow the example and that will show the way. Like I said, enjoy hell.
No but really, I'd enjoy a passage if you can actually track that down.
Read the book yourself instead of letting a preacher shove it up your ass.
I've not seen anything in it yet that says proselyization is sin. Christ also commands the gospel be spread rather directly. What it does say is those who take this upon themselves will the held to higher standards as you must talk about it accurately. Equally, Paul says while boasting in yourself is wrong, boasting in the Lord is fine. Appropriate. Praising the Lord is right because the Lord is praiseworthy. It is what you SHOULD do.
Your summation of the generic notion of 'force' and trying to pretend it is universally sin is also noted. Equally trying to 'push in public' somehow being a combination of pride and lying. Don't bear false witness, anon.
>Christ also commands the gospel be spread rather directly. What it does say is those who take this upon themselves will the held to higher standards as you must talk about it accurately. Equally, Paul says while boasting in yourself is wrong, boasting in the Lord is fine. Appropriate. Praising the Lord is right because the Lord is praiseworthy. It is what you SHOULD do.
Like I said enjoy hell.
Are you genuinely okay?
Christcucks never are.
I've met plenty of pleasant Christians. It's just that they're the ones with enough tact to not, say, spout religion in a CARTOONS AND COMICS thread about CARTOONS AND COMICS the same way other autists can't stop talking about anime or 40K or their fursona and have to inject it into every conversation because they feel it's the most important thing ever and everyone has to know about their particular thoughts about it, right now.
I cannot stress enough that all of this is ignoring that KSBD's entire cosmology is built on the corpses of no-bullshit gods, who are themselves the subdivisions of greater gods.
>I've met plenty of pleasant Christians. It's just that they're the ones with enough tact to not, say, spout religion in a CARTOONS AND COMICS thread about CARTOONS AND COMICS the same way other autists can't stop talking about anime or 40K or their fursona and have to inject it into every conversation because they feel it's the most important thing ever and everyone has to know about their particular thoughts about it, right now.
That's the basis of my problem with this crap though of saying "I live with jesus". No you don't motherfricker, you're supposed to live by his example not just run around acting like he's your fricking buddy who's giving you a one way ticket to paradise.
Exactly. There's no point acting like it gives you a special license to spout off-topic crap where it's neither wanted nor frankly productive, anymore than it is for social justice warriors or...whatever you call those frickers that flood my Youtube recs like fricking Yellowflash and ThatUmbrellaGuy, the outrage farmers I guess. Shut the frick up and let me watch my nature documentaries god fricking dammit, you may or may not be correct amount my eternal soul/the culture war being at stake but right now I don't want to discuss that. I want to discuss KSBD.
How big does everyone think Aesma's rack and ass was? Was she a curvy shortstack, or an oblivious flattie?
Short but not stacked.
She does look like she has a big ass, at least.
Curvy but muscular. Mmmm.
>you're supposed to live by his example
But you proved you don't know what his example was.
I put it to you that it is statistically less likely for you to convince anyone in this thread to convert into Christendom than it is for you to convince anyone in this thread to cut up and molest Jack Kirby's corpse. And that if you persist in doing so, you are simply knowingly decreasing whatever little happiness this thread has.
>spoiler
Anyone sincerely convinced in their faith who posts there regularly is a special kind of delusional.
>if you want
I'd rather not for various reasons, but mainly because amazingly enough KSBD does not subscribe to a Christian cosmology.
It's fricking hilarious to see this sentiment peddled on Cinemaphile of all places.
Smoking pipes isn't one of the three things they do. So if you don't like God or gardening or neighbors, then that valley is nothing but eternal suffering.
Yeah, some people want to chill with their relatives forever or maybe work on their hobbies. There's nothing wrong with that just because the demiurge, a self admitted liar, told you you shouldn't want that.
>N-NO! You can't just be happy and content with your loved ones and friends forever!
>You need to suffer alone and then fade into nothingness!
That's true and I'd probably be content in the valley as well, but I'd want a way out should I decide to take it. They can't leave the valley, and will never die, presumably even through suicide. If I ever eventually grow sick of gardening, praying, and talking to my neighbors, I'm stuck in an eternity of doing monotonous tasks that I hate unable to even die. That's a worse hell than non-existence, I'd rather accept death.
Huh, is that how YISUN felt?
>They can't leave the valley
I took it as they can't leave because they have no reason too. I'm sure if one day you thought "I want to go somewhere else" you would go unimpeded
>Can you leave?” said Prim, who had an expression like she had tasted something sour. The travelers looked at each other in confusion. “Of course not,” said they, “why would we want to? It is impossible to leave the valley.”
>It is impossible to leave the valley.
That sounds kind of definitive anon. I don't think I'd trust this valley to let me leave when I want to.
I HATE THE ANTICHRIST
I HATE THE ANTICHRIST
I HATE THE ANTICHRIST
Prim is wise.
For even the most easily pleased man will eventually turn bored from all that constant happiness.
And there is nothing more torturing to an immortal than boredom or more insanity-inducing than being confined.
I don't know, not being able to die means you can do unspeakable acts of cruelty and torture without the recipient actually kicking the bucket
it'd be a sadist's paradise
"This thread is cursed."
What a horrible night to have a curse.
if the timeline's eternal then eventually yoy frick yp and become the torturée, its as inevitable as up and down over a long enough timeline.
This is the part where you say "because I want to".
Why, Mr. Anderson? Why, why?
Why do you do it? Why, why get up?
Why keep fighting?
Do you believe you're fighting...for something?
For more than your survival?
Can you tell me what it is?
Do you even know?
Is it freedom? Or truth?
Perhaps peace? Could it be for love?
Illusions, Mr. Anderson.
Vagaries of perception.
Temporary constructs of a feeble human intellect trying desperately to justify an existence that is without meaning or purpose.
And all of them as artificial as the Matrix itself, although... only a human mind could invent something as insipid as love.
You must be able to see it, Mr. Anderson.
You must know it by now, you can't win.
It's pointless to keep fighting.
Why, Mr. Anderson?
Why?
Why do you persist?
you know why
she's just a walking sadfrog.jpg
More edgy high school nihilism in the section i can't wait to skim when this book is done coupled with a small story pulling sour grapes on immortality. This is just the perfect storm of shit i don't like lmao.
The witch breasts continue to be grand at least which i will never stop being grateful for.
It's kinda pathetic that you are currently getting angry at fictionnal characters having a personality that is apparently against your real life politics.
You are fishing for outrage for the sake of it, because that's how twitter raised you, and when the story shows she's wrong, you will be equally outraged with the complete opposites arguments, just because you can't not be a pissy little homosexual in your life
>It's kinda pathetic that you are currently getting angry at fictionnal characters having a personality that is apparently against your real life politics.
>You are fishing for outrage for the sake of it, because that's how twitter raised you, and when the story shows she's wrong, you will be equally outraged with the complete opposites arguments, just because you can't not be a pissy little homosexual in your life
>But isn't it the best if you do things for no reason, just for lulz?
>More edgy high school nihilism in the section i can't wait to skim when this book is done coupled with a small story pulling sour grapes on immortality. This is just the perfect storm of shit i don't like lmao.
>The witch breasts continue to be grand at least which i will never stop being grateful for.
The answer to jadis's question is that it is equally pointless to avoid the struggle.
>haha I would totally say that and BTFO them, then I'd take my GUN and KILL Jaganoth wow I'm so great XD
I'm not saying to make some kind of bad ass one liner response.
I'm saying it, because it's the actual philosophical answer to the question that Jadis asked.
That sort of response is along the lines of what real life nihilists and absurdists (like Camus) would probably say.
moron
homie go be "outraged" somewhere else, this isn't your fricking discord.
moron
This homie forgot watchmen existed
Yes. Jadis is cynical nihilism. Certain philosophies of nihilism can be positive-- "if life is without inherent meaning, then the only meaning is what I give to it, and I have the freedom to create meaning for myself" is one example, but she is nihilism in the negative, cynical sense, which is that there is no point to anything, and therefore there is no value in the struggle or the effort. Give up and let yourself sink into nothingness.
I don’t believe for a minute that this is nihilism for no purpose. Jadis is almost less of a character than she is a force of nature, and she is posing questions that force Allison to face her inner self again. Jadis is embodying the dark part of our minds that sit on the same cliff as the Call of the Void, and Allison’s struggle here is to resist the void.
This ain’t philosophizing for philosophy’s sake. Jadis is putting Allison in a psychological car compactor, from which Allison will either break free or be crushed.
>Yes. Jadis is cynical nihilism. Certain philosophies of nihilism can be positive-- "if life is without inherent meaning, then the only meaning is what I give to it, and I have the freedom to create meaning for myself" is one example, but she is nihilism in the negative, cynical sense, which is that there is no point to anything, and therefore there is no value in the struggle or the effort. Give up and let yourself sink into nothingness.
That's basically what Absurdist philosophy is like IIRC.
Yes, and it’s shit, just like Ann rmRand and her moronic lot
You’re not meant to agree with Jadis, anon. The point is that Allison has to confront this and overcome it. This isn’t Abbadon soapboxing his own beliefs on big breasts.
I understand, that was just my boiling hatred for those utterly shitty philosophies rearing up.
Yes, and I'm sure whatever bullshit you adhere to is so much better.
Suck my dick
>More edgy high school nihilism in the section i can't wait to skim when this book is done coupled with a small story pulling sour grapes on immortality. This is just the perfect storm of shit i don't like lmao.
The point of this is to break our champion down to her component parts, there's no real point in giving allison a history lesson on her own choices otherwise. Once again it comes back to what is she doing all of this for? At this point it can't just be a boy, or her friends. King or peasant?
I know it's a good way to save time and get the desired effect but I still gotta chuckle at the use of smudge tool here
>I know it's a good way to save time and get the desired effect but I still gotta chuckle at the use of smudge tool here
Can you explain this to artlets?
In the second to last panel you've got the flames and warped faces. Now you could draw them warped from the get go, but it's easier to just draw them "normal" and then use the smudge tool in photoshop (or whatever). It's basically like taking a pencil drawing and dragging your finger across it and it often looks a bit cheap.
Got a laugh out of that too.
But isn't it the best if you do things for no reason, just for lulz?
Pink tanktop Allison got me acting up
yhea
Jadis's words and argument may be preordained, but they betray her point.
>If you continue, you will become shattered on the anvil of endless conflict
>If
That implies that Allison has the choice to stop and not be shattered. Jadis had previously said that choice is an illusion, and it may be, but the illusion is a real thing. Allison is capable of making choices, so there's no reason why giving up and dying would be a better choice than keeping on the path of suffering. Because Allison is fighting for what is important to her. And whatever path she takes, even if preordained, it will be because she chose to take it. For those who aren't omniscient, choice and free will are inescapable.
This whole sequence is bizarre, we know the story doesn't end here but the scene drags on regardless.
Its like this entire sequence is the opposite of the DONT YOU WANNA JUST GO APESHIT meme.
Abbadon mentioned a few months ago that this is the point of the story in which the martial arts protagonist gets the shit beaten out of them near the end and then they come to a buddhist illuminated realization and gain a massive power up.
I have a feeling Zoss might show up with his final lesson.
I don't get it, did Allison and Jadis actually see the shape of the universe or did they only see a giant emptiness and therefore "boo hoo the shape of the universe is nothing, therefore nothing ever matters"? I'm getting the impression of the latter, but that doesn't explain Jadis' omniscience or even general outlook. It's not "nothing matters because there's nothing out there," it's "nothing matters because everything's already predetermined." Everything being predetermined is contingent on everything already being there, not NOTHING being there.
She probably didn’t actually turn the damn machine on and it was a vision to try and push her nihilism shit. Which is heavily disappointing if true.
They saw something the story's writer is really struggling to convey adequately.
Or perhaps they saw the comic's sales numbers.
(I do own them btw).
>perhaps they saw the comic's sales numbers
I'm sure he dreamed of being another Muira at some point, but now he's got a nice wife and kid, while Muira ended up a family-less pedo mouldering in the ground. I don't think his Berserk riches were much of a compensation.
I don't get the need for that diss. It's a free webcomic why would it have crazy sales numbers ?
He also seems to be getting > 7k a month. Is that not a success for a basically indie dude in this industry ?
>tfw so sleep deprived you frick up posting on 4 Chan TWICE in a row
We’ll time to kill myself
Glad to see the artist's work getting some love and attention, wondered if it would ever blow up.
Holy shit I miss when people were b***hing about the length of the last fight scene.
>this fight scene is too long
>this exposition scene is too long
>my feet hurt
Yeah Abby drags out scenes a bit too long
I dont think he does at all. Its just the nature of webcomics to move at a glacial pace week to week. When you go back and rereading everything one page every minute it all feels much better.
wow allison really hit the wall
Earth Allison got me actin kinda strange tho. Abbadon knows how to draw white women
SHOULDA STAYED A DUMB VIRGIN ALLISON
Why, Jadis is a regular ray of sunshine, ain't she?
Spoiling so much of Jadis' deal in particular was a mistake on Abba's part. The rest of the demiurges' backstories didn't spoil much plot, but we've known what'd happen for the past four months just by knowing what Jadis' philosophy and history. I think this would've been a lot more impactful if we were ignorant.
So we're all agreed nihilism is for nerds?
Nihilism isn't for nerds. The kind of cynical, self defeating nihilism that Jadis is pushing is for nerds. If Allison has an ounce of Royalty left in her, she'll respond with the positive, productive nihilism for chads.
Either that or Zoss will show up once again to smack some sense into everyone in the room with his 30 inch wiener.
Productive nihilism is a myth. See how long you can actually float that kind of cope before you crash down further down than you started.
Existentialism and absurdism are both forms of it. Neither disputes nihilism's claims about lack of objective meaning in the universe. They simply decide that one should not let that stop them from either facing the meaninglessness and rebelling against it to affirm their own freedom and being in the case of absurdism, or from deciding to focus on being authentic and true to your own personal sense of self and the person you desire to be in the case of existentialism.
The positive answer to Nihilism is that there's no point in not doing anything either. If everything is equally meaningless then there's no fundamental reason why doing nothing is preferable to doing something. If nothing else it passes the time, and that's as good a reason as any to take action in a nihilistic universe. Hell pursuing an action for it's own sake without a care for any of the baggage or meaning surrounding it is what Royalty does. What with the whole continuous cutting motion and Meti's constant harping about how to Cut properly you must destroy your past and future selves and not cling to anything beyond the Cut itself.
>Untouchable
To be fair, the Demiurges MIGHT have had him if Gog hadn't b***hed out at the last moment and that's a fat load of crock coming from someone Abby said WOULD know the way to take out out Jag if she were so motivated
>Immortal
But on the other hand yeah, Allison is wildly outclassed until she thinks up that elusive third option solution.
The biggest point of contention to IMMORTALITY BAD is that whatever state Zoss is in seems to, in every meaningful way, be a cogent to life insofar as he retains sapience and identity. Just a radically transformed form of life that seemingly precludes CONVENTIONAL physical interaction with the world.
If the cornerstone of the IMMORTALITY BAD argument amounts to "you'll get sick of it if you have no opt-out option" then Zoss, who is demonstrably not mad with boredom, would be an instance of immortality's inherent flaws.
But muh sour grapes!
Making wine out of sour grapes is a very Royal thing. If fate is not a cage to those who do not fear it, then it logically follows that immortality is only excruciating to those who are afraid to live fulfilling lives.
It was more understandable when Royalty was presented as a highly individualistic perspective on enlightenment. Making Mottom and Mammon get over themselves and fight Jag didn't accomplish diddly, but it did disrupt the status quo and set up the possibility for something new to transpire with their power bases decapitated. But then in the Solomon arc Abby seemingly tried to have his "violence isn't a question, it's the answer" cake and eat it too by presenting Solomon as this guy who's trying, is trapped in his own loop, has STILL gotten results-and is given the most emotionally pitiful death out of the Demiurges because he's spurred on by the fear of failure-as if that's any less valid than Allison egging herself onwards in the demon drinking contest or struggling through her betrayal of Cio during the Mammon heist arc.
Don't misunderstand me, as early as the Kassadis parable I understood violence isn't the be-all and end-all of Royalty like Incubus seems to insinuate. But if Aesma and Hansa are supposed to be stand-out examples of it as well as Prim and Het then I feel the presented notion that Royalty always results in POSITIVE change has to be scrutinised. Aesma sure as frick never gave a shit about anyone more than herself or stopped striving for personal power and control, except for her husband briefly-and he was Super Satan. And maybe that dog of hers, if Abby ever writes that tale.
Honestly, this latest chapter make it feel like royalty was just big cope this entire time. Not only cope for death, but cope for suffering.
> I'm fine with suffering and dying so long as I suffer to death in a REALLY COOL WAY??????
There really needs to be some harder thinking done if the ability to simply rest once in a while is the great evil in the setting.
>someone finally gets it
I'm still holding on to hope that Abbs isn't that far gone and the comic is selfaware of how stupid a way of living that is.
I’m starting to wonder if the grand takeaway will unironically be that Royalty isn’t worth it, no sensible person would deliberately set out to accomplish it, the only people fricked up to accomplish it naturally are fricked in the head in ways Royalty ultimately won’t fix and the actual correct way to live your life is to pull a Mob Psycho 100 and just like, touch grass or some shit.
Go outside, touch grass, find Christ, wait for the end of all things.
Got a link for the last thread? I missed it.
Why is Jadis asking questions she already knows the answer to?
1. Because she’s a fatalist who has foreseen she will say them and doesn’t think she has free will because she knows All Of The Things
1a. Maybe this is all, somehow, the most efficient way to enable her own death as she foreseen it given her deepest wish right now is to die.
Why is everyone in here such a whiny b***h?
You're on Cinemaphile, why are you surprised by this?
Watch out anon you're hitting "Why are there gays in this gay bar" levels of oblivious.
Just go full Asuras Wrath.
>Why do you continue! You cannot win! Why endure all this suffering!
>God is the cause of all my suffering, so maybe if I punch him in the face hard enough there will be no more suffering! Row row fight da powah!
Jagganoth turns back the wheel, Allison flips it over like a poker table out of sheer spite.
If you want to get into it, everything actually is completely 100% predetermined in our universe, and nothing you can do will ever change that.
>nuh uh! I have free will and stuff!
No you dont. Atoms bouncing around since the dawn of time have done so in a precise way and continue to do so. If you perform an action, and then perform it again in the 100% exact same way, you will get the 100% exact same outcome. There is no "random chance" in life. Everything that happens to you, and every though you have has always been set in stone. Your birth, upbringing, environment, and probably even the current position of the earth at this very moment has all pre-determined whatever exact thought is going through your mind right now reading this and how you will react to what Ive typed. You cant change it.
Yeah but this is KSBD we're talking about here, atoms themselves are predicated on clumps of divine flame casting forth reality and everyone is just YISUN having a schizo episode after killing himself anyway.
Man unironically reached Heaven through violence in EVERY way.
Matter is hardly even real, predeterminism is even faker and gayer than reality. A universe without life to alter the flow of events might be just a big rube-goldberg machine winding down, but introduce people and anything can (and will) happen.
I guess it goes without saying that you're a moron.
Thank God that it was predetermined that I accept determinism and I'm okay with it. Others are not so lucky.
Thing of it is, just because I made all my choices at the start of the universe doesn't mean I ultimately didn't make those choices myself, they were just made based on everything else that happened before hand.
In reality, people cannot actually see the future, so for all practical purposes, we're still making choices. A world where futuresight DOES exist is where everything starts getting fricky.
>Determinism
THE PATH OF THE COWARDS. You're not only one that would not punch God in the face given the chance, YOU WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE THE BALLS TO RISE YOUR EYES AND LOOK DIRECTLY AT HIM.
I was predetermined to frick your mom shitlips.
>If you perform an action, and then perform it again in the 100% exact same way, you will get the 100% exact same outcome. There is no "random chance" in life
That is freedom of choice though, because it means that there is no outside power manipulating an individual's capacity to choose. Choices don't exist in a vaccum, they are predicated on past experiences, values, and knowledge of the current situation, if an individual were put in the exact same situation with the exact same knowledge, mindset, experiences, and perspective of course they would make the same choice again, because all the variables that caused them to make that decision are the same.
The alternative, that the choice a person makes is not determined by the circumstances of the individual and situation at hand, would imply that there is some outside factor beyond you that is controlling the decisions you make, which is clearly not free will. When you rewatch a movie you expect the characters to all make the same choices they did before, if they suddenly do something different you'd logically suspect that someone else, outside the film is manipulating the story.
Free will doesn't mean that if we rewind time you'll magically decide to make a different choice, in fact if that were true it would be evidence against free will, not for it. Either free will and determinism are not mutually exclusive or free will is an incoherent concept, a nonsense phrase.
Allison needs to awaken to the fact that she's the answer to the question "Where is your God now?" and punch this stupid b***h in the neck.
Her whining is getting tiresome.
What the frick did you just fricking say about me, you little b***h? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the frick out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fricking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fricker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fricking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fricking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fricking dead, kiddo.
I miss her book 3 design like you wouldn't believe.
>~150 posts of loser nihilist cope disconnected from the comic
Yawn. And here I thought this would be an interesting thread.
What do you think the continuation of Prim's tale going to be? The second path would probably be something grimdark. Maybe she will choose to run free from both?