>Batman seem like the sane and reasonable person
One of the reasons i dislike Batman in Injustice. I thought the game/comic was supposed to show the good and bad sides of the Regime and Insurgency. But it turns out it was all black and white.
It still bothers me that they let Harley side with them when she showed no remorse for what she did and was just pissed Superman killed the Joker
They downplayed Harley's involvement by focusing only on Metropolis incident. They were really trying hard to turn her into a remoreseful villain.
It's basically an exaggerated strawman for "Heroes shouldn't kill killers."
Taking over the world would have been great. Killing loads of people is where it went wrong. I'd call you a liar if you thought real world governments or governments in DC are doing a good job of literally anything.
It's a forced heavy handed set-up, they even use the Joker instead of someone who make more sense like one of his own Rogues because "Joker popular". In the comics this thing has been done but worse, Manchester Black used his mental powers to torment him and then make him believe he had killed everyone he cared about and he still didn't break.
Injustice Superman isn't the same character as main time-line Superman. Evil or Corrupted Supermen have existed since at least the 80's, Ultraman, Reichman, Lord Superman. Regime Superman is just the most recent in a line of such Supermen.
>Taking over the world would have been great. Killing loads of people is where it went wrong. I'd call you a liar if you thought real world governments or governments in DC are doing a good job of literally anything. >fascism is good as long as its someone I like doing it
Evil Supermen tend to have entirely different backgrounds. Injustice was just about talking Superman and making him a poorly thought out villain. You know the reason he goes too far is not because it makes one bit of sense, it's so he's an obvious villain.
>Evil or Corrupted Supermen have existed since at least the 80's, Ultraman, Reichman, Lord Superman. Regime Superman is just the most recent in a line of such Supermen.
Shame that it seems evil Superman has become the default Superman.
It's basically an exaggerated strawman for "Heroes shouldn't kill killers."
Taking over the world would have been great. Killing loads of people is where it went wrong. I'd call you a liar if you thought real world governments or governments in DC are doing a good job of literally anything.
[...]
Injustice Superman isn't the same character as main time-line Superman. Evil or Corrupted Supermen have existed since at least the 80's, Ultraman, Reichman, Lord Superman. Regime Superman is just the most recent in a line of such Supermen.
>If he had stopped there I would've been on his side. >But taking over the world? No go.
He brought peace to their world. Ares. the god of war who thrive on chaos was literally weakened by the regime. The writers knew they fricked up so they made Superman kill Shazam, which was bullshit.
>And killing Shazam just because.
Everyone in the room should have either ditched Supes or jumped him then and there. It was at that moment they all knew they were on borrowed time, when Superman could just randomly decide to kill them on a whim.
Killing Shazam was bullshit writing to make the regime look bad.
>Ended poverty, war, rape, and saved countless lives >He went to far bro I side with Batman, the guy who teamed up with evil demons, evil gods, evil aliens, and villains bro
Even Batman admitted that Superman had eliminated all wars and major crime. The only major conflicts at the time were caused by Batman's crusade against Superman.
>Even Batman admitted that Superman had eliminated all wars and major crime. >implying it's ever that simple
Listen I'm all for getting rid of wars and crimes and all that but I'd rather it be done with a whole system working towards it with actual regulations and contingencies, not some superpowered alien who would kill me and my whole family just because I was torrenting an episode from an anime I was watching
Plus, Superman had made it clear he'll kill or punish anyone HE deems a threat so there's probably been countless of innocents caught in his bullshit as well, it's literally impossible to think "I will eradicate all evil" and not let that mentality cloud your judgement to the point you're justifying killing people that literally didn't do anything yet
It's the same thing with Light Yagami except Light was even sloppier with killing whoever he thought was "evil" so he really was just another serial killer justifying his crimes
I mean the man was just tricked into murdering his wife which blew up his city with a nuclear bomb.
I'd be pretty fricking angry too.
Like I said though, if he killed Joker and stopped I would have been on his side.
Its everything after that where he loses me.
It's a forced heavy handed set-up, they even use the Joker instead of someone who make more sense like one of his own Rogues because "Joker popular". In the comics this thing has been done but worse, Manchester Black used his mental powers to torment him and then make him believe he had killed everyone he cared about and he still didn't break.
>Manchester Black used his mental powers to torment him and then make him believe he had killed everyone he cared about and he still didn't break.
Where are Manchester and The Elite in the Injustice Universe anyways? You'd think he'd have shown up as part of Supermans regime, because he'd genuinely believe in Supermans new no-mercy no-exceptions policy for super criminals.
lol no >Manchester Black pretends he killed Lois
vs >Joker makes Clark himself suffocate Lois to death, and Clark's infant child, launching a trigger to nuke all of Metropolis and everyone Clark has ever known
Injustice was by far the most horrific thing any version of Clark has ever endured.
Maybe now I can see why there will never be an Injustice 3. Netherealm Studios know the story is absolute trash and there’s no saving it. Better to just focus on MK from now on, or make a new IP
I think if I remember, in Aquamans ending he notices that something is coming from beyond space, basically those beings Fate was hinting at: The ones that will restore balance by destroying that universe. So Aquaman, using the last teleporter that he salvaged from the 1st one, travels to the good universe to recruit the heroes to save them all
Injustice 3 will be where Batman go full dictator
but it will be good cause Batman is always right
I think if I remember, in Aquamans ending he notices that something is coming from beyond space, basically those beings Fate was hinting at: The ones that will restore balance by destroying that universe. So Aquaman, using the last teleporter that he salvaged from the 1st one, travels to the good universe to recruit the heroes to save them all
Superman snapped because Batman like the moron he is gaslighted Clark into thinking avenging Lois and Metropolis is a bad thing. Bat's should have bargained with Supe's to kill Joker and maybe Harley but not anyone else ever again.
If you think about it, everything that happened in Injustice verse were all Batman's fault.
I fricking hate the storyline with Harley working with Batman so goddamn much in Injustice.
I wanted to dislike Superman but the resistance were filled with so many uppity homosexuals that I simply hated them more no matter what Superman did. It took him killing Shazam for me to realise I hated both sides.
No he wouldn't. Harley literally says herself she left Joker for a year to give birth to her daughter Lucy, then when she came back joker literally didn't even notice she was gone.
Harley set off the nuke and killed Lois because she thought it was whacky and quirky like all the crimes she does. Then afterwards she pins the blame on joker and denies all accountability because she's just that narcisstic, like she always does.
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This. Frick Harley that prostitute of babylon. And she has the audacity to go "uhh why are heroes siding with superman atleast bats doesnt kill"
Yeah but he has no issues siding with criminals like her that do kill.
nope
he should've just grieved with his best friend
thats all
Bruce left his homie irate and confused all by his lonesome while doing nothing productive in the meantime.
fricker should've had a long ass chat with him, and could've set him straight and send that psycho c**t into Charon secretly while arkham guards weren't looking
>nope >he should've just grieved with his best friend >thats all
yes. batmans reasoning was moronic as well. he cant even tell the difference between the joker and a common thief.
Batman shouldn't even be mad at someone else killing Joker. He wouldn't get mad if turned Joker in and a jury gave him the death penalty.
If Joker pisses off Superman enough to get snuffed out it'd be a natural course of nature, Batman's hands stay clean.
>US government knews about Superman for years >didn't stockpiled kryptonite in case he went rogue
They deserved to be ruled by him, they were too stupid
>batman watches joker die >his brain immediately cum flashbacks to his parents being killed in dark alley >batman swears to protect and save all criminals >kills superman so crimials can be safe
Actually Regime Superman was fine until they turned him into a whiny murderous guy who sicced Doomdsay on Metropolis just due some civilian protest. And killing Shazam just because.
>And killing Shazam just because.
Everyone in the room should have either ditched Supes or jumped him then and there. It was at that moment they all knew they were on borrowed time, when Superman could just randomly decide to kill them on a whim.
[...] >If he had stopped there I would've been on his side. >But taking over the world? No go.
He brought peace to their world. Ares. the god of war who thrive on chaos was literally weakened by the regime. The writers knew they fricked up so they made Superman kill Shazam, which was bullshit.
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Killing Shazam was bullshit writing to make the regime look bad.
I mean, Shazam did touch a raw nerve by mentioning Lois. The entire motivating factor for Supermans fall from grace, and bringing her up wasn't the first time Billy had done it.
>touch a raw nerve by mentioning Lois
Batman do it all the time yet all Supes would do is try beating him to a pulp not straight up laser beam his eyes.
Besides it was impossible for Superman to kill Shazam while he is in his magic form.
>touch a raw nerve by mentioning Lois
Batman do it all the time yet all Supes would do is try beating him to a pulp not straight up laser beam his eyes.
Besides it was impossible for Superman to kill Shazam while he is in his magic form.
>and bringing her up wasn't the first time Billy had done it.
I suppose that was meant to show that Billy, despite being a child, was willing to confront Superman more than anyone else because he knew what it came down to
Supes probably killed him not just because of the Lois comment but because even a child could see through his bullshit and he just couldn't handle it
But if a good writer wrote that whole thing, he'd make it so Superman immediately regrets it and his whole "Dictator with Nerves of Steel" schitck starts to crumble
This. I honestly had no reasons to disagree with Regime Superman until the very end when he started destroying entire cities and killing Shazam just because.
The sudden extreme shift in his personality was abrupt and convoluted even for regime Superman and you could tell the writers were grasping for straws.
God I’m still mad about that. Not just because that cucked me out of any hope of a Shazam chapter but because it ALSO cucked me out of my main for the sequel… and yet Joker was also fricking dead but for SOME reason HE got to be part of the roster so he could be in single fight that didn’t even really happen so there’s no reason why they couldn’t have brought Billy back that way too. I think that’s the moment when I went from just being kind of sick of Joker’s (and Quinn’s too for that mattter) overexposure to absolutely despising all thing clown
This picture is the single most important reason why Injustice became trash. They just had to make Superman irredeemable and turn it into a shitty black and white situation.
It was always a black and white situation. Superman is a lunatic and just as evil as Joker, Batman is being the hero in this situation and stopping Superman because Superman is evil.
It is never a Black and White situation. Even in Injustice, you see Superman multiple times stop fighting Batman and risk his life to fight against direct threats to Earth without a second's hesitation.
>Regime Superman >Earth is actually quiet enough that Ares, an entity that feeds on conflict is weakened >the Resistance is so ineffective that they had to go after alt-universe Supermen >Superman then got stupidly irrational with a idea of wooing an alt-Lois and flattening Metropolis with Doomsday even if his whole thing was created due his inability of saving it from Joker's nuke
He was too poorly written. He had no reason to go stupid when he was rulling a successful and mostly popular regime.
Have you ever seen that goody two shoes kid who wouldn't hurt a fly snap? They have some autistic screech and smash something. Now imagine finding The Boy Scout with God-like powers and making him kill his own wife. Idk about you but I don't think that's the kinda guy who just kills one guy and goes home like it's another Tuesday afternoon.
Why are American comic heroes such cowards when it comes to dealing with evil? Action heroes don't have this issue (VanDamme, Schwarzenegger, Stallone, etc)
That "moral standard" was born from being made to be suitable for children. Nothing more than that. It belongs to a world where the only serious threats are the Doronjo Gang and Dick Dastardly.
I know this comic is old, but I really hate the "Joker is insane so he is allowed to do whatever he wants" bullshit argument.
When a fire burns, you put it out, you don't stop the firefighters from putting it out and argue the fires right to destroy the city and kill everyone, all the while the fire just burned down an inhabited building, killing hundreds, all because the firefighters were prevented from putting out the fire.
Batman is a Chad who does the right thing even when it's hard. Supercuck is a weak pussy who took the easy way out and murdered an innocent man driven insane by society because Clark is a coward.
It's canon, superhomosexual. Clark killed an innocent man because Clark is a butthurt beta
>no argument
as expected of a supercuck.
By targetting the same person more than two times (Batman) Joker can't be legally insane by the US laws.
Some people can't just kill and walk away from it. Some people are broken by the act and either lose themselves, or kill themselves. If anything, this shows that despite his strength and endurance, Supes is as weak as a human in some ways.
I'd like to see a story about superman doing this, then immediately giving himself up and going to prison/retiring, and all the problems/drama that would then arise from superman going to prison.
No, not really. He didnt immediately go crazy just because he killed the clown. He broke down gradually because batman wouldnt fricking stop messing with him. Imagine batman having fricking starbucks outside with catwoman while discussing how "oppressive" the regime is. Everyone is enjoying a sunny day in the park then plas' kid blows up a statue for no reason. Who wouldnt go crazy after that
>He broke down gradually because wonder woman wouldnt fricking stop messing with him.
Fixed that for you. Even Ares says that Superman would never get that far if it wasn't for WW messing with him.
thats one thing that pissed me off in the animated version. wonderwoman just kept egging him on and.made everything worse.
Both of you are gay. WW provided him with the resolve he needed. One can certainly say she encouraged him however even Superman isn't dumb enough to not recognise he made most of his decisions.
Yeah if anything WW needs to die if there is ever to be another Injustice game. She’s the real villain here, and she’s too far gone because she’s a simp for Superman and wants his D. Killing her would actually fix everything in the end. Clark would no longer be egged on like he was, and he’d realize how many times he messed up
>Batman plays catch-and-release with Joker >Joker kills hundreds of people >Superman punches Joker through the fricking chest >Joker kills no more people
Batman is a gay and Superman was right.
Batman is a Chad who does the right thing even when it's hard. Supercuck is a weak pussy who took the easy way out and murdered an innocent man driven insane by society because Clark is a coward.
Taylor shits on Batman throughout Injustice even more than Superman and Wonder Woman. If you came away from those comics thinking that version of Batman is a chad, your soi brain is broken.
Batman still comes off as looking heroic by comparison to Superman.
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Anonymous
Not really. He actually comes off more selfish and villainous in this.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What part of siding with criminals who've killed people while going against your friends because they killed people comes off as heroic? Batman is a brainlet in Injustice.
2 years ago
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Batman doesn't like Superman because he's a big homosexual who thinks he can kill and say it's justice, something that goes against his personal beliefs. The villains he sides with are either unstable psychopaths who kill on a whim, but I assume that he either sides with them for pragmatic reasons and has a contingency for getting rid of the worst ones when the much greater threat has been neutralized.
>batman is a Chad because he stood up to the guy that killed a mass murderer and cause world peace
Lmao at batkeks just lol
Batman is a shit superhero and your dad will never respect your hobby no matter how le serious you make his comics
Why didn't Clark just kill Harley instead of Joker?
He said himself he knew Bruce has a special thing for Joker, he should've known one was ok to kill and the other was a berserk button.
>Why didn't Clark just kill Harley instead of Joker?
Not for lack of trying. Green Arrow outright told Harley that if Superman ever met her again he'd make her a stain on the wall.
>To summarize Superman when written correctly and true to his character would never turn into a tyrant simply because Lois is taken away from him.
Superman didn't just lose lois though. He lost Jimmy, Perry, the Star Labs scientists, his city and the people who relied on him to defend them. He didn't have Supergirl there yet to lean on. Everything he ever loved was gone forever, and it was his fault. True joker tricked him but it was still his fault for lois and metropolis death. From Supermans point of view. He was already a murderer because he had lois and metropolis blood on his hands. He may as well do everything to make sure it couldn't happen again.
Batman: "Crime took my family too Clark."
Superman: "You weren't the gun."
Supersissies only hate Injustice because it is irrefutable proof that Manchester Black was always right, and that Clark was nothing but a coping midwit.
>Manchester Black used his mental powers to torment him and then make him believe he had killed everyone he cared about and he still didn't break.
Where are Manchester and The Elite in the Injustice Universe anyways? You'd think he'd have shown up as part of Supermans regime, because he'd genuinely believe in Supermans new no-mercy no-exceptions policy for super criminals.
Heroes are just glorified cops with no accountability. Cops are allowed to kill criminals when push comes to shove. Therefore, heroes should be allowed to kill criminals that are too problematic to be kept alive. No one is going to miss Joker, Norman Osborn, Wrecking Crew, Mongul and other mass-murderers.
This. Not killing is fine as a guideline because no man is beyond redemption. But at some point, you really have to make a choice between the still!criminal and the potential victims who will lose their lives for no fault of their own.
It makes no sense to not remove an criminal just because he can be redeemed at some point. It's not about him, it's about the innocent victims.
>oh no, Superman is killing mass murderers and being bossy forcing warlords to stop waging wars that kill thousands each year! He must be stopped! >help me stop him Hawley Queen, the woman who murdered 11 million innocent women and children while sipping a latte thinking this makes her a #GirlBoss, who I am now best friends with!
Anyone ever notice that every time Joker dies in an AU it signals the beginning of the apocalypse? Injustice, Dark Knight Returns, the recent son of Kal El arc, Kingdom Come, Year 100, Batkek. Dude is Pandora's Box.
How would an Injustice type of story but with Batman as the vilain work? Some will say he already is with all the points raised throughout the thread, but what if a writer was set on deconstructing his thanatophobia and depicting him as the madman who needs to be stopped? You'll say a mortal doesn't make for an overwhelming antagonist like Superman does, but, at this point, he is so full of batwank defeating him comes off as a greater challenge than beating Supes.
At any random time of night some complete stranger nobody could happen upon the Joker and then shoot him to death. This shouldn’t be a problem, but it would literally turn Batman into a fricking psychopath.
when governments enclose us entirely where we're never given privacy and murders are instasolved, we won't have room to live in a housed containment so they will kill anyone who murders
probably with an automated system like they do with cattle
If Clark didn’t kill Joker then Joker was gonna wait until Clark’s baby was born and torture it to death while jerking off to the sound of its agonised wails.
Superman being able to crush Dr. Fate’s helmet was the biggest bunch of bullshit I ever saw in my life. Superman is WEAK to magic, this is established lore. There is no way he should have been able to do that
Injustice is contrivance central, pretty much every single aspect of it ooc as frick because the premise is moronic. Superman taking over the world when all it takes is a little green rock to kill him is moronic
It’s like Kryptonite to him. He still should not have been able to do it. But then again, Fate will probably come back because Constantine or Zatanna will fix the helmet somehow
The problem is that Bruce sees everyone and everything as Human. Even those who have forgone their Humanity and became lesser beings in the process.
When Man chooses to become Beast; you do not give him the leisures and rights of a Man, you treat him the same as you would a Beast. In that, you cull a rabid beast, and you burn the bones of the beast.
Bruce, despite being a stoic and cold hearted man, is still most naive and hope filled man in existence. This is because Bruce is still that child behind the stonewall, beyond the iron fortress of Batman, beyond the flair of Bruce; there is a small child crying in an alley, wanting to believe that everyone is redeemable; that there is good within the hearts of all Man.
That is something that can never be broken, not by anyone else, and not by his own self. It is the core of Bruce.
That isn't a bad thing per se; its just childish in a world full of Beasts. When Humans make decisions, whether through their conscious minds or through the events that led them into said decisions, they silently assign the weight of their action unto themselves, they own the action. Bruce would excuse these responsibilities, because at his core, he is a good man.
Me? I simply let Beasts die in the pits they have dug for themselves. If a beast strikes against a Human, I cast the beast into the pit. This is what justice is; if you want equity, then simply pay the beast double what it has given. If it has killed, then kill it twice. If it has robbed, take everything from it, give it something, then take it away. If it has raped, rape the beast, then take away its reproduction.
That is justice, that is equity.
Would you argue Dark Knight? Would you stop me from breaking the Clown's neck right here and now? Bruce. You know I'm right.
And in that moment, Batman relented for the slightest of seconds; but that was all that was needed for his internal dialogue to assume control.
With a quick motion, the Joker's neck was broken; a cackle leaving before a sudden -urk.
Batman looked down at the Clown Prince of Chaos, the bane of his existence, the moral foil to his life and felt nothing. Because he did not see a Man, he saw a Beast. Within his soul, the lights of crime alley began flickering on and off, each shutting down, the boy within clutching his parents, shuddering in fear. Click, click...and then darkness.
What would happen if Zsasz were to kill Joker?
Just imagine: Zsasz doesn't even care, Joker is just another tally mark out of hundreds, meanwhile Batman is losing his shit over his dead husbando, Gothamites are thanking Zsasz in a "lesser of two evils" way. other capes and their villains breathe a sigh of relief because this butthole in a purple suit is gone.
I wonder if this kind of an Elseworld story would work.
It’s OOC. Gotham loves Joker, when they thought Bruce killed him there were George Floyd-style riots demanding Batman be captured and given the death penalty for killing Joker.
>Injustice >Kingdom Come >Superman Vs. The Elite >Batman Vs. Punisher >Justice Lords
Why is DC so obsessed with the whole "HEROES DON'T KILL OR THEY'RE WORSE THAN HITLER REEEEEE" bullshit compared to other companies?
>batman doesn't kill the insane psycho that has killed 1000s of Gotham citizens because....batman has morals or something
The way they constantly do this shit with batman is why he will always be a shit superhero that cum guzzling soiboys love
>This is what Supercucks are too immature, childish and delusional to understand
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This is why Batman is considered a true hero, and Superman is considered a little coward who could never be a "hero" without his powers doing all the heroism for him.
This line was always so moronic, I hate how it's always so shilled by battrannies >Ferris Boyle gets away with everything because that's not nearly enough evidence to put someone away at all, especially someone so rich, important and influential, let alone for any significant amount of time >Victor spends the rest of his life in Arkham, forced to extend his sentence indefinitely and escape anytime he wants to try and cure Nora or grieve her on Christmas >when she does get revived he can't even be with her because of his condition and hatred of what he's done to revive her, she marries another man while he wastes away in Antarctica >disease withers his body away until he's nothing but a living immortal head condemned to an eternity of agony until Terry finally lets him commit suicide
Nice "Justice" there, battroony. Victor's entire life is made a misery until the second he dies, regretting every second of life he's ever experienced, while the man who did all this to Victor goes free and happy. All because you couldn't let Victor give the guy what he deserved since it offended your principles.
It took more like: >Lois and Metropolis dead >Batman gaslighting you >Joker taunting you >Batman informing other heroes and government you have gone rogue damaging your reputation and friendship with fellow heroes >Step-dad got shot
Bullshit reasoning for keeping jokers evil ass alive.
It lowkey teaches people to wish for the harm of family so they can get that dead family power boost.
If he had stopped there I would've been on his side.
But taking over the world? No go.
They had to do something to make Batman seem like the sane and reasonable person in the situation.
>Batman seem like the sane and reasonable person
One of the reasons i dislike Batman in Injustice. I thought the game/comic was supposed to show the good and bad sides of the Regime and Insurgency. But it turns out it was all black and white.
They downplayed Harley's involvement by focusing only on Metropolis incident. They were really trying hard to turn her into a remoreseful villain.
It's basically an exaggerated strawman for "Heroes shouldn't kill killers."
Taking over the world would have been great. Killing loads of people is where it went wrong. I'd call you a liar if you thought real world governments or governments in DC are doing a good job of literally anything.
Injustice Superman isn't the same character as main time-line Superman. Evil or Corrupted Supermen have existed since at least the 80's, Ultraman, Reichman, Lord Superman. Regime Superman is just the most recent in a line of such Supermen.
>Taking over the world would have been great. Killing loads of people is where it went wrong. I'd call you a liar if you thought real world governments or governments in DC are doing a good job of literally anything.
>fascism is good as long as its someone I like doing it
The type of government is not at fault but the people are.
Nobody mentioned fascism. Fascism doesn't have to be involved.
Don't strawman like that, it hurts your own position.
why does the white guy look pissed in the last panel
because its lex luthor
That's the only real assumption I could make, out of context though Lex doesn't have a very distinct design especially in street clothes
>noooooooo you have to let the mass murdering villain run free and let the children get raped noooooooooo
If Batman ever truly cared about Gotham and the innocent people he claims to protect. He'd have dropped his no kill rule a long time ago.
Batman is a cuck, even Jedi kill their enemies when necessary.
Batman is a Chad and would beat the shit out of a pussy betasoi like Obiwan.
Evil Supermen tend to have entirely different backgrounds. Injustice was just about talking Superman and making him a poorly thought out villain. You know the reason he goes too far is not because it makes one bit of sense, it's so he's an obvious villain.
>Evil or Corrupted Supermen have existed since at least the 80's, Ultraman, Reichman, Lord Superman. Regime Superman is just the most recent in a line of such Supermen.
Shame that it seems evil Superman has become the default Superman.
Injustice is one of those things that has short-term success but does long-term damage to franchises
>If he had stopped there I would've been on his side.
>But taking over the world? No go.
He brought peace to their world. Ares. the god of war who thrive on chaos was literally weakened by the regime. The writers knew they fricked up so they made Superman kill Shazam, which was bullshit.
Killing Shazam was bullshit writing to make the regime look bad.
>Ended poverty, war, rape, and saved countless lives
>He went to far bro I side with Batman, the guy who teamed up with evil demons, evil gods, evil aliens, and villains bro
Even Batman admitted that Superman had eliminated all wars and major crime. The only major conflicts at the time were caused by Batman's crusade against Superman.
One-world governments ruled by some uppity alien are gay, anon.
>Even Batman admitted that Superman had eliminated all wars and major crime.
>implying it's ever that simple
Listen I'm all for getting rid of wars and crimes and all that but I'd rather it be done with a whole system working towards it with actual regulations and contingencies, not some superpowered alien who would kill me and my whole family just because I was torrenting an episode from an anime I was watching
Plus, Superman had made it clear he'll kill or punish anyone HE deems a threat so there's probably been countless of innocents caught in his bullshit as well, it's literally impossible to think "I will eradicate all evil" and not let that mentality cloud your judgement to the point you're justifying killing people that literally didn't do anything yet
It's the same thing with Light Yagami except Light was even sloppier with killing whoever he thought was "evil" so he really was just another serial killer justifying his crimes
irs like potatoes chips, you can't just stop with one
Pringlebros..
Isn't he killing the Joker because he is coo coo crazy?
Supes isn't like Batman.
I mean the man was just tricked into murdering his wife which blew up his city with a nuclear bomb.
I'd be pretty fricking angry too.
Like I said though, if he killed Joker and stopped I would have been on his side.
Its everything after that where he loses me.
It's a forced heavy handed set-up, they even use the Joker instead of someone who make more sense like one of his own Rogues because "Joker popular". In the comics this thing has been done but worse, Manchester Black used his mental powers to torment him and then make him believe he had killed everyone he cared about and he still didn't break.
>Manchester Black used his mental powers to torment him and then make him believe he had killed everyone he cared about and he still didn't break.
Where are Manchester and The Elite in the Injustice Universe anyways? You'd think he'd have shown up as part of Supermans regime, because he'd genuinely believe in Supermans new no-mercy no-exceptions policy for super criminals.
Never. Oddly I wish for DC VS SNK to happen as he fits with SNK character design.
If you kill The Joker you BECOME The Joker.
What Joker did was way, way worse than what Manchester Black pretended to do, because Joker always torments Batman on that kind of level.
lol no
>Manchester Black pretends he killed Lois
vs
>Joker makes Clark himself suffocate Lois to death, and Clark's infant child, launching a trigger to nuke all of Metropolis and everyone Clark has ever known
Injustice was by far the most horrific thing any version of Clark has ever endured.
Maybe now I can see why there will never be an Injustice 3. Netherealm Studios know the story is absolute trash and there’s no saving it. Better to just focus on MK from now on, or make a new IP
Injustice 3 will be where Batman go full dictator
but it will be good cause Batman is always right
I think if I remember, in Aquamans ending he notices that something is coming from beyond space, basically those beings Fate was hinting at: The ones that will restore balance by destroying that universe. So Aquaman, using the last teleporter that he salvaged from the 1st one, travels to the good universe to recruit the heroes to save them all
Seems Injustice 3 is being made.
I just want DC VS SNK. Or DC VS SNK VS MK.
Superman snapped because Batman like the moron he is gaslighted Clark into thinking avenging Lois and Metropolis is a bad thing. Bat's should have bargained with Supe's to kill Joker and maybe Harley but not anyone else ever again.
If you think about it, everything that happened in Injustice verse were all Batman's fault.
It still bothers me that they let Harley side with them when she showed no remorse for what she did and was just pissed Superman killed the Joker
Did we read different stories
She shown remorse for what JOKER did you liar.
Did she showed remorse from the other people they killed before that?
Except when Ra calls her out she denies any blame
>Harley Quinn
>Remorseful
Puke.
I fricking hate the storyline with Harley working with Batman so goddamn much in Injustice.
I wanted to dislike Superman but the resistance were filled with so many uppity homosexuals that I simply hated them more no matter what Superman did. It took him killing Shazam for me to realise I hated both sides.
>I didn't want the nuke to go off
>That's why I helped do everything that led to the nuke going off
If she didn't work with Joker he'd kill her
She shouldn't have worked for the Joker in the first place.
No he wouldn't. Harley literally says herself she left Joker for a year to give birth to her daughter Lucy, then when she came back joker literally didn't even notice she was gone.
Harley set off the nuke and killed Lois because she thought it was whacky and quirky like all the crimes she does. Then afterwards she pins the blame on joker and denies all accountability because she's just that narcisstic, like she always does.
This. Frick Harley that prostitute of babylon. And she has the audacity to go "uhh why are heroes siding with superman atleast bats doesnt kill"
Yeah but he has no issues siding with criminals like her that do kill.
>The blame is on the cops who didn't stop me!!!
The frick?
nope
he should've just grieved with his best friend
thats all
Bruce left his homie irate and confused all by his lonesome while doing nothing productive in the meantime.
fricker should've had a long ass chat with him, and could've set him straight and send that psycho c**t into Charon secretly while arkham guards weren't looking
>nope
>he should've just grieved with his best friend
>thats all
yes. batmans reasoning was moronic as well. he cant even tell the difference between the joker and a common thief.
Batman shouldn't even be mad at someone else killing Joker. He wouldn't get mad if turned Joker in and a jury gave him the death penalty.
If Joker pisses off Superman enough to get snuffed out it'd be a natural course of nature, Batman's hands stay clean.
Injustice is a fricking joke and should be thrown in the memory hole
If you kill him ur just as bad as him!!!!
>US government knews about Superman for years
>didn't stockpiled kryptonite in case he went rogue
They deserved to be ruled by him, they were too stupid
>batman watches joker die
>his brain immediately cum flashbacks to his parents being killed in dark alley
>batman swears to protect and save all criminals
>kills superman so crimials can be safe
Batman goal is to stop murder. He let Catwoman get away with so much crime just to stop a villian gang from killing.
If that is his goal is has to be the most ineffective "Hero" ever.
Jason didn't die and he stop another murder. Batman never had a problem with criminals until they start killing.
He looks like Punisher.
Same, there are plenty of super powered guys who could end Ra, but they do not let him anywhere near someone like Aquaman.
>even twitter is shitting on this comic
gee I wonder why DC had to get bailed out by Discovery
Actually Regime Superman was fine until they turned him into a whiny murderous guy who sicced Doomdsay on Metropolis just due some civilian protest. And killing Shazam just because.
>And killing Shazam just because.
Everyone in the room should have either ditched Supes or jumped him then and there. It was at that moment they all knew they were on borrowed time, when Superman could just randomly decide to kill them on a whim.
I mean, Shazam did touch a raw nerve by mentioning Lois. The entire motivating factor for Supermans fall from grace, and bringing her up wasn't the first time Billy had done it.
>touch a raw nerve by mentioning Lois
Batman do it all the time yet all Supes would do is try beating him to a pulp not straight up laser beam his eyes.
Besides it was impossible for Superman to kill Shazam while he is in his magic form.
>and bringing her up wasn't the first time Billy had done it.
I suppose that was meant to show that Billy, despite being a child, was willing to confront Superman more than anyone else because he knew what it came down to
Supes probably killed him not just because of the Lois comment but because even a child could see through his bullshit and he just couldn't handle it
But if a good writer wrote that whole thing, he'd make it so Superman immediately regrets it and his whole "Dictator with Nerves of Steel" schitck starts to crumble
This. I honestly had no reasons to disagree with Regime Superman until the very end when he started destroying entire cities and killing Shazam just because.
The sudden extreme shift in his personality was abrupt and convoluted even for regime Superman and you could tell the writers were grasping for straws.
God I’m still mad about that. Not just because that cucked me out of any hope of a Shazam chapter but because it ALSO cucked me out of my main for the sequel… and yet Joker was also fricking dead but for SOME reason HE got to be part of the roster so he could be in single fight that didn’t even really happen so there’s no reason why they couldn’t have brought Billy back that way too. I think that’s the moment when I went from just being kind of sick of Joker’s (and Quinn’s too for that mattter) overexposure to absolutely despising all thing clown
This picture is the single most important reason why Injustice became trash. They just had to make Superman irredeemable and turn it into a shitty black and white situation.
It was always a black and white situation. Superman is a lunatic and just as evil as Joker, Batman is being the hero in this situation and stopping Superman because Superman is evil.
It is never a Black and White situation. Even in Injustice, you see Superman multiple times stop fighting Batman and risk his life to fight against direct threats to Earth without a second's hesitation.
because Superman wants to rule the world because he's a crazy power-hungry dictator, he can't rule the earth if it's destroyed
>black and white
You are a child.
Superman brought peace. Ares, the God of War was weakened by the Regime because of lack of conflict. The only one causing shit was the Insurgency.
Why wasn't he just a skin for Black Adam? Like Power girl for super girl and Black Lighting for Raiden.
Injustice Joker also had toxins in his body that would turn whoever killed him crazy
>Regime Superman
>Earth is actually quiet enough that Ares, an entity that feeds on conflict is weakened
>the Resistance is so ineffective that they had to go after alt-universe Supermen
>Superman then got stupidly irrational with a idea of wooing an alt-Lois and flattening Metropolis with Doomsday even if his whole thing was created due his inability of saving it from Joker's nuke
He was too poorly written. He had no reason to go stupid when he was rulling a successful and mostly popular regime.
Have you ever seen that goody two shoes kid who wouldn't hurt a fly snap? They have some autistic screech and smash something. Now imagine finding The Boy Scout with God-like powers and making him kill his own wife. Idk about you but I don't think that's the kinda guy who just kills one guy and goes home like it's another Tuesday afternoon.
Not just his wife. Joker killed millions and used Lois as the trigger
Why are American comic heroes such cowards when it comes to dealing with evil? Action heroes don't have this issue (VanDamme, Schwarzenegger, Stallone, etc)
Because Superheroes traditionally are meant to stand for some sort of objective moral standard.
That "moral standard" was born from being made to be suitable for children. Nothing more than that. It belongs to a world where the only serious threats are the Doronjo Gang and Dick Dastardly.
Okay Manchester Black.
Manchester's a hypocritical homosexual who thinks he's hot shit.
Exactly
Funny way to spell "status quo".
Changing the status quo is the worst thing a comic character can do.
I know this comic is old, but I really hate the "Joker is insane so he is allowed to do whatever he wants" bullshit argument.
When a fire burns, you put it out, you don't stop the firefighters from putting it out and argue the fires right to destroy the city and kill everyone, all the while the fire just burned down an inhabited building, killing hundreds, all because the firefighters were prevented from putting out the fire.
By targetting the same person more than two times (Batman) Joker can't be legally insane by the US laws.
Some people can't just kill and walk away from it. Some people are broken by the act and either lose themselves, or kill themselves. If anything, this shows that despite his strength and endurance, Supes is as weak as a human in some ways.
I'd like to see a story about superman doing this, then immediately giving himself up and going to prison/retiring, and all the problems/drama that would then arise from superman going to prison.
>picture
I kill coomers
Superman didn't really go bad until he snapped and killed green arrow for shooting Jon Kent with an arrow to buy Bruce and the resistance some time.
>uh oh superman killed batman's psychopath boyfriend now superman is le evil because....HE JUST IS OK!
No, not really. He didnt immediately go crazy just because he killed the clown. He broke down gradually because batman wouldnt fricking stop messing with him. Imagine batman having fricking starbucks outside with catwoman while discussing how "oppressive" the regime is. Everyone is enjoying a sunny day in the park then plas' kid blows up a statue for no reason. Who wouldnt go crazy after that
>He broke down gradually because wonder woman wouldnt fricking stop messing with him.
Fixed that for you. Even Ares says that Superman would never get that far if it wasn't for WW messing with him.
thats one thing that pissed me off in the animated version. wonderwoman just kept egging him on and.made everything worse.
Both of you are gay. WW provided him with the resolve he needed. One can certainly say she encouraged him however even Superman isn't dumb enough to not recognise he made most of his decisions.
you are a Black person. she was pushing him since lois died when he needed to grieve.
Nothing he did was something he didn't consciously choose to do. You think too little of Superman.
Yeah if anything WW needs to die if there is ever to be another Injustice game. She’s the real villain here, and she’s too far gone because she’s a simp for Superman and wants his D. Killing her would actually fix everything in the end. Clark would no longer be egged on like he was, and he’d realize how many times he messed up
>Batman plays catch-and-release with Joker
>Joker kills hundreds of people
>Superman punches Joker through the fricking chest
>Joker kills no more people
Batman is a gay and Superman was right.
Batman is a Chad who does the right thing even when it's hard. Supercuck is a weak pussy who took the easy way out and murdered an innocent man driven insane by society because Clark is a coward.
>Batman is a Chad who does the right thing even when it's hard.
That doesn't apply to Injustice Batman though
Injustice Batman took Joker into custody because that's what's right.
Taylor shits on Batman throughout Injustice even more than Superman and Wonder Woman. If you came away from those comics thinking that version of Batman is a chad, your soi brain is broken.
Batman still comes off as looking heroic by comparison to Superman.
Not really. He actually comes off more selfish and villainous in this.
What part of siding with criminals who've killed people while going against your friends because they killed people comes off as heroic? Batman is a brainlet in Injustice.
Batman doesn't like Superman because he's a big homosexual who thinks he can kill and say it's justice, something that goes against his personal beliefs. The villains he sides with are either unstable psychopaths who kill on a whim, but I assume that he either sides with them for pragmatic reasons and has a contingency for getting rid of the worst ones when the much greater threat has been neutralized.
Joker just nuked a fricking city and killed millions. How is it right to throw him in an asylum for the 102th time?
He is legally insane and innocent.
>innocent man driven insane by society
Anyone who takes this bait needs to get fisted by Superman as well.
It's canon, superhomosexual. Clark killed an innocent man because Clark is a butthurt beta
You need to get the batwiener out of your ass as soon as possible.
>no argument
as expected of a supercuck.
Gordon should ask him to rape him.
Can you say Joker is insane? The fricker is always doing premeditated murder.
>Batman is a Chad who does the right thing even when it's hard
For other persons? Specially the innocents he claims to protect.
Batman is only a had for having the guts to stand up to Superman. His convictions and ideals are dogshit especially so in Injustice.
>batman is a Chad because he stood up to the guy that killed a mass murderer and cause world peace
Lmao at batkeks just lol
Batman is a shit superhero and your dad will never respect your hobby no matter how le serious you make his comics
Why didn't Clark just kill Harley instead of Joker?
He said himself he knew Bruce has a special thing for Joker, he should've known one was ok to kill and the other was a berserk button.
>Why didn't Clark just kill Harley instead of Joker?
Not for lack of trying. Green Arrow outright told Harley that if Superman ever met her again he'd make her a stain on the wall.
>To summarize Superman when written correctly and true to his character would never turn into a tyrant simply because Lois is taken away from him.
Superman didn't just lose lois though. He lost Jimmy, Perry, the Star Labs scientists, his city and the people who relied on him to defend them. He didn't have Supergirl there yet to lean on. Everything he ever loved was gone forever, and it was his fault. True joker tricked him but it was still his fault for lois and metropolis death. From Supermans point of view. He was already a murderer because he had lois and metropolis blood on his hands. He may as well do everything to make sure it couldn't happen again.
Batman: "Crime took my family too Clark."
Superman: "You weren't the gun."
Supersissies only hate Injustice because it is irrefutable proof that Manchester Black was always right, and that Clark was nothing but a coping midwit.
Still haven't gotten an answer to this question
He was fine-ish for 4 years of the resistance pulling ever more convoluted bs, then after the short timeskip to year 5 he was full dictator.
Like he was going down the slippery slope and then they just kicked him to the bottom so the game timeline would connect I guess.
This. Batman more than anyone contributed to Superman going full dictator.
The OG Superman was a socialist, you realize this right
My apologies I’m drunk I assumed you were talking about political homosexualry. I agree whole heartedly with what you’re saying
Heroes are just glorified cops with no accountability. Cops are allowed to kill criminals when push comes to shove. Therefore, heroes should be allowed to kill criminals that are too problematic to be kept alive. No one is going to miss Joker, Norman Osborn, Wrecking Crew, Mongul and other mass-murderers.
This. Not killing is fine as a guideline because no man is beyond redemption. But at some point, you really have to make a choice between the still!criminal and the potential victims who will lose their lives for no fault of their own.
It makes no sense to not remove an criminal just because he can be redeemed at some point. It's not about him, it's about the innocent victims.
>oh no, Superman is killing mass murderers and being bossy forcing warlords to stop waging wars that kill thousands each year! He must be stopped!
>help me stop him Hawley Queen, the woman who murdered 11 million innocent women and children while sipping a latte thinking this makes her a #GirlBoss, who I am now best friends with!
Anyone ever notice that every time Joker dies in an AU it signals the beginning of the apocalypse? Injustice, Dark Knight Returns, the recent son of Kal El arc, Kingdom Come, Year 100, Batkek. Dude is Pandora's Box.
How would an Injustice type of story but with Batman as the vilain work? Some will say he already is with all the points raised throughout the thread, but what if a writer was set on deconstructing his thanatophobia and depicting him as the madman who needs to be stopped? You'll say a mortal doesn't make for an overwhelming antagonist like Superman does, but, at this point, he is so full of batwank defeating him comes off as a greater challenge than beating Supes.
Batkek.
Which is to say, he curbstomps everyone in less than 24 hours then moves on to the next universe.
At any random time of night some complete stranger nobody could happen upon the Joker and then shoot him to death. This shouldn’t be a problem, but it would literally turn Batman into a fricking psychopath.
when governments enclose us entirely where we're never given privacy and murders are instasolved, we won't have room to live in a housed containment so they will kill anyone who murders
probably with an automated system like they do with cattle
is that what the regime did? treat people like cattle?
The joker would get kill on sight orders and be droned like terrosit leader. There would be no insanity defense
If Clark didn’t kill Joker then Joker was gonna wait until Clark’s baby was born and torture it to death while jerking off to the sound of its agonised wails.
Why didn’t Clark just become friends with Joker instead of b***hing just because Joker killed 1 roastie?
Bros before Hoes
Superman being able to crush Dr. Fate’s helmet was the biggest bunch of bullshit I ever saw in my life. Superman is WEAK to magic, this is established lore. There is no way he should have been able to do that
Injustice is contrivance central, pretty much every single aspect of it ooc as frick because the premise is moronic. Superman taking over the world when all it takes is a little green rock to kill him is moronic
I thought it wasn't so much that Superman is weak to magic
he is just effected by it like any other person
It’s like Kryptonite to him. He still should not have been able to do it. But then again, Fate will probably come back because Constantine or Zatanna will fix the helmet somehow
The problem is that Bruce sees everyone and everything as Human. Even those who have forgone their Humanity and became lesser beings in the process.
When Man chooses to become Beast; you do not give him the leisures and rights of a Man, you treat him the same as you would a Beast. In that, you cull a rabid beast, and you burn the bones of the beast.
Bruce, despite being a stoic and cold hearted man, is still most naive and hope filled man in existence. This is because Bruce is still that child behind the stonewall, beyond the iron fortress of Batman, beyond the flair of Bruce; there is a small child crying in an alley, wanting to believe that everyone is redeemable; that there is good within the hearts of all Man.
That is something that can never be broken, not by anyone else, and not by his own self. It is the core of Bruce.
That isn't a bad thing per se; its just childish in a world full of Beasts. When Humans make decisions, whether through their conscious minds or through the events that led them into said decisions, they silently assign the weight of their action unto themselves, they own the action. Bruce would excuse these responsibilities, because at his core, he is a good man.
Me? I simply let Beasts die in the pits they have dug for themselves. If a beast strikes against a Human, I cast the beast into the pit. This is what justice is; if you want equity, then simply pay the beast double what it has given. If it has killed, then kill it twice. If it has robbed, take everything from it, give it something, then take it away. If it has raped, rape the beast, then take away its reproduction.
That is justice, that is equity.
Would you argue Dark Knight? Would you stop me from breaking the Clown's neck right here and now? Bruce. You know I'm right.
I’m not reading all that shit, idiot.
>I am too smart to read. Specially books!
And in that moment, Batman relented for the slightest of seconds; but that was all that was needed for his internal dialogue to assume control.
With a quick motion, the Joker's neck was broken; a cackle leaving before a sudden -urk.
Batman looked down at the Clown Prince of Chaos, the bane of his existence, the moral foil to his life and felt nothing. Because he did not see a Man, he saw a Beast. Within his soul, the lights of crime alley began flickering on and off, each shutting down, the boy within clutching his parents, shuddering in fear. Click, click...and then darkness.
So began the age of the Darkest Knight.
What would happen if Zsasz were to kill Joker?
Just imagine: Zsasz doesn't even care, Joker is just another tally mark out of hundreds, meanwhile Batman is losing his shit over his dead husbando, Gothamites are thanking Zsasz in a "lesser of two evils" way. other capes and their villains breathe a sigh of relief because this butthole in a purple suit is gone.
I wonder if this kind of an Elseworld story would work.
It’s OOC. Gotham loves Joker, when they thought Bruce killed him there were George Floyd-style riots demanding Batman be captured and given the death penalty for killing Joker.
>Injustice
>Kingdom Come
>Superman Vs. The Elite
>Batman Vs. Punisher
>Justice Lords
Why is DC so obsessed with the whole "HEROES DON'T KILL OR THEY'RE WORSE THAN HITLER REEEEEE" bullshit compared to other companies?
>batman doesn't kill the insane psycho that has killed 1000s of Gotham citizens because....batman has morals or something
The way they constantly do this shit with batman is why he will always be a shit superhero that cum guzzling soiboys love
Seems fitting to post it here.
>11 million died to the Metropolis nuke
Joker literally killed more people than Hitler did.
>This is what Supercucks are too immature, childish and delusional to understand
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This is why Batman is considered a true hero, and Superman is considered a little coward who could never be a "hero" without his powers doing all the heroism for him.
>mr freeze is the same as joker
brilliant argument
This line was always so moronic, I hate how it's always so shilled by battrannies
>Ferris Boyle gets away with everything because that's not nearly enough evidence to put someone away at all, especially someone so rich, important and influential, let alone for any significant amount of time
>Victor spends the rest of his life in Arkham, forced to extend his sentence indefinitely and escape anytime he wants to try and cure Nora or grieve her on Christmas
>when she does get revived he can't even be with her because of his condition and hatred of what he's done to revive her, she marries another man while he wastes away in Antarctica
>disease withers his body away until he's nothing but a living immortal head condemned to an eternity of agony until Terry finally lets him commit suicide
Nice "Justice" there, battroony. Victor's entire life is made a misery until the second he dies, regretting every second of life he's ever experienced, while the man who did all this to Victor goes free and happy. All because you couldn't let Victor give the guy what he deserved since it offended your principles.
>see video game plot
>misunderstand with because you are genuinely moronic
>come crying to Cinemaphile
All it took was one bad day.
3 years Anon of bat-bullshit and wonder manipulation anon
It took more like:
>Lois and Metropolis dead
>Batman gaslighting you
>Joker taunting you
>Batman informing other heroes and government you have gone rogue damaging your reputation and friendship with fellow heroes
>Step-dad got shot
>Kills pregnant wife.
>Goes coo coo crazy.
FTFY
Bullshit reasoning for keeping jokers evil ass alive.
It lowkey teaches people to wish for the harm of family so they can get that dead family power boost.
so like anime?