Korean directors and actors are much more influenced by west than japan that is very isolated.
Japan doesnt even try to make good movies since they know what japan wnats.
Parasite was shite, but I agree that Japanese film has been in the dumps for well over a decade now. Most of their industry just pumps out endless manga and anime adaptations as well as dull dramas that very rarely get any attention outside of their own country (and rightfully so).
He was the last one that could really be called a master, but there were still some good ones that made films after Kurosawa's death. Shame that most of them are now either retired or dead as well.
There really has been a noticeable decline since then. It doesn't help that their film industry shrunk to almost nothing and they've been importing most of their shit the whole time.
Yup. Their industry is simply too afraid to fund anything interesting anymore. The general audiences in Japan just seem to want anime flicks and goofy manga adaptations. It's kind of like the capeshit plague in the west. No wonder that directors like Sono and Koreeda have had to make films outside of Japan lately to get the funding they've needed.
I'm actually okay with outside funding and international release. I do miss their thrillers and weird shit and want to see them come back.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I'm actually okay with outside funding and international release.
Sure, if the films are good. But I wish they could get the funding to make their films in Japan. Sono's English language film Prisoners of the Ghostland had laughably bad acting from some of the American cast members for example.
Koreeda said in the interviews it was because he wanted to work with the cast. Who knows though, I'm sure funding is always first priority
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Koreeda said in the interviews it was because he wanted to work with the cast.
Must be partly that as well. But since his latest two films have both been filmed outside of Japan (in France and Korea), I wouldn't be surprised at all if he had problems getting enough money in Japan alone to do what he wanted. I know that Sono has complained about the current state of funding films in Japan several times.
2 years ago
Anonymous
it's interesting, I also read somewhere that their pop industry also went stagnant because of lack of investment and labels preferring to stick with safe stuff.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I can believe that. I don't know much about Japanese music, but I've heard people claim that they still have many great independent artists. Modern pop music tends to be insufferable no matter what country you look at today.
Korea has around 100 great movies. Japan has like 5-10 great movies.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Korea has around 100 great movies.
Name them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Burning
The Chaser
Oldboy
Sympathy For Mister Vengeance
Sympathy For Lady Vengeance
Memories of Murder
Memoir of a Murderer
Confession of Murder
Voice of a Murderer(Geu nom moksori)
Mother
Pieta
A Bittersweet Life
New World
I Saw The Devil
The Man From Nowhere
A Hard Day
Friend(aka Chingoo, 2001)
Dark Figure of Crime
The Outlaws
Believer (2018)
Asura: The City of Madness
Cold Eyes
The Vanished
Forgotten
No Mercy (2010)
The Yellow Sea
Unstoppable
The Divine Move
Night in Paradise
Breathless
Montage (2013)
A Dirty Carnival
White Night
The Wailing
Thirst
Train To Busan
Bedevilled
Peppermint Candy
Parasite
JSA(Joint Security Area)
The Handmaiden
The Host
A Tale of Two Sisters
The Call
Pandora
The Man Standing Next
A Taxi Driver
Bleak Night
These are just ~50 of the ones I've watched most recently, and they're mostly thrillers because that's mainly what I am into. I could find another 50 non-thrillers by looking movies up on various lists, but you get the point.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I could find another 50 non-thrillers by looking movies up on various lists, but you get the point.
No, I don't. I'm not gullible enough to believe some random lists you find on Google, especially when most of them are by complete morons.
I've seen several of the films that you mentioned, and many of them are great, I agree, but there are also plenty of films here that I thought were complete trash on the level of current-day Hollywood. Korea has plenty of good stuff, but it's laughable to claim that Japan only "has 5-10 great movies". Both countries have frickloads of amazing cinema, as well as enough dogshit to last you a lifetime. Though it's undeniably true that Korean cinema is doing much better nowadays.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>but it's laughable to claim that Japan only "has 5-10 great movies"
Recommend me some top tier Japanese movies then. I've already seen the most known ones like Battle Royale, Fireworks, Shoplifters, Ichi The Killer, The Ring, Dead or Alive, Audition, Confessions, etc.
2 years ago
Anonymous
High and Low
Red Beard
Zigeunerweisen
Pistol Opera
Throw Away Your Books, Rally in the Streets
Pastoral: To Die in the Country
Nanami: The Inferno of First Love
Eros + Massacre
Heroic Purgatory
Late Spring
Floating Weeds
Good Morning
Pitfall
Woman in the Dunes
The Face of Another
The Family Game
His Motorbike, Her Island
The Discarnates
Heaven and Earth
This Transient Life
Mandala
Poem
Conflagration
The Inugami Family
The Ballad of Narayama
Vengeance is Mine
Profound Desires of the Gods
The Human Bullet
The Scandalous Adventures of Buraikan
Himiko
Virus: Day of Resurrection
Mr. Thank You
Humanity and Paper Balloons
The Million Ryo Pot
Station
Harakiri
Kwaidan
The Human Condition Trilogy
Japan's Longest Day
Goyokin
Fireflies in the North
Harmful Insect
The Taste of Tea
Sleeping Man
The Buried Forest
Dolls
Takeshis'
August in the Water
Typhoon Club
Seance
Charisma
Maborosi
After Life
Eureka
Ramblers
Adrift in Tokyo
Yearning
Floating Clouds
Sansho the Bailiff
Ugetsu Monogatari
Sun in the Last Days of the Shogunate
Blind Beast
Giants and Toys
The Silk Road
The Man Who Stole The Sun
Dogura Magura
Jigoku
The Naked Island
Conflagration
Death by Hanging
Empire of Passion
Bullet Ballet
Love Letter
The Bird People in China
Dying at a Hospital
Happy Hour
Shell and Joint
Tetsuo The Iron Man
Killing
Ecstacy of the Angels
Caterpillar
To Sleep So As To Dream
The Yellow Handkerchief
The Twilight Samurai
The Hidden Blade
After the Rain
I'm sure you'll find something to enjoy here. Most of it is obviously older, since they forgot how to make kinos.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Thanks, I'll add this list to my backlog and take a look at it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>since they forgot how to make kinos.
you're just not looking hard enough. anyway, to generalize an entire nation like that is moronic. I never saw what anyone gets out of doing that. but enjoy being bitter and not enjoying life I guess. :/
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're right, I'm generalizing. I did list a few films from the 2010s, but I can't say I've been impressed by their output in recent years. The latest Japanese production I was impressed by was Onoda, but it was directed by a Frenchman. >but enjoy being bitter and not enjoying life I guess. :/
Also, stop projecting. You're free to list great Japanese films from recent years.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Train To Busan
This film was so painfully contrived that I can't understand its popularity whatsoever.
Japan is a meme country for redditors, and they are descended from the convicts of koreans in the same way australians are of the British. Korea has always been the patrician, dairy-enjoyer's choice, and japan has always been an country liked and populated exclusively by frickless virgins
Cherry-picked images. Jihyo is fat, Nayeon has bad teeth and a bad nose. Dahyun is actually pretty. Mina is ugly. Momo is pretty. Sana is the prettiest here, but everyone knows Tzuyu is the prettiest of the group. KYS.
I don't care that her bunny teeth and nose are iconic, she is legitimately ugly when she smiles. Even worse without make-up and filters. Don't ever try to compare her to Sana. And while I find Mina ugly, she's in the top 3 when it comes to the overall fanbase last time I checked.
It was really good, but I'm not gonna pretend this movie compares to Kurosawa or Kenshin. Even Sono and Miike are much better than the grand majority of "good" Korean directors.
>Miike
Yeah, 20 years ago. He's just another hack pumping out endless manga, anime, and video-game adaptations nowadays. It's a shame what happened to him.
If you mean recently within the last few decades? I would agree if that's the case.
Knowing that (most) new Japanese releases like drive my car don't even come close to the best works of Kim Ki-Duk, Park Chan-wook, and especially Lee Chang-dong.
But even with that, I don't think many of their greatest films come close to almost everything Japan had to offer in the 50s, 60s, and 70s,
with masterful directors like Ozu, Kobayashi, Kurosawa, Mizoguchi, Teshigahara, etc.
Is there any information on why Japan’s film industry became so bad and mediocre? They had some of the most acclaimed films ever in the 40s-70s. Kurosawa was still making masterpieces in the 80s. Nowadays their industry is utterly mogged by Korea and only have a handful of notable films. Most of their big releases are anime.
The rising popularity of TV in Japan seriously hurt their film industry in the late 60s and 70s. As a result, studios started to make films with much lower budgets than before, and some studios such as Nikkatsu even transitioned to producing pink films (basically super cheap exploitation films with plenty of sex scenes and violence).
Even Kurosawa had to rely on foreign funding to get Kagemusha and Ran made in the 80s, since Japanese studios weren't interested in funding them. Art Theater Guild was the biggest producer of Japanese arthouse films in the 60s and 70s, and extremely successful at their peak, but even they died in the mid-80s. By that point most of the Japanese public (and especially the youth) cared more about TV, manga, anime, and of course video-games, which had a massive boom in Japan. Studios started taking safer and safer bets as the years went on, and what could be safer than making adaptations of popular mediums such as anime and manga?
They watch a ton of western films in theaters and have since at least the 80s. Unlike europe, the industry isn't really government subsidized so you don't see that kind of output. And like anon said, the focus has always been more on tv so you see more miniseries and direct to video releases. They also prefer theatre to cinema but you don't hear much about that, a lot of the arthouse shit is two handers on stage.
Why did they even let the old housekeeper back in during the rainstorm? They had nothing to gain and everything to lose. It made absolutely no sense for the family to do, but the plot demanded it.
Korean directors and actors are much more influenced by west than japan that is very isolated.
Japan doesnt even try to make good movies since they know what japan wnats.
I'm going to regret asking this but what do they want?
Tentacle porn
More anime?
Nostalgic young romances set in the 80s. It's hard to say what they're into because it's heavily influenced by the Wa within their culture.
Women fricking dogs uncensored
Little girls
saw survival family recently. really good. they make some great films.
drive my car is the film of the decade chud
It got 7.6 in imdb so thats pretty special for a jap film.
This, koreans are just yellow americans. Of course burges will like their movies, since they’re like Hollywood movies minus the israelites.
it's amazing how fast this new cope caught on
Keep crying asiatic, you’ll always be someone’s slave.
uh oh, looks like someone else's mom loves BTS
japan's most famous director was effectively disowned for being too western
who?
Kurosawa
I vastly prefer the host.
Didn't really get the hype on this one. The main characters annoyed me too much.
Snowpiercer>
I know this is b8, but regardless of any other movie, Snowpiercer is fricking garbage.
rurouni kenshin movies are better than anything korea has ever fricking done
>rurouni kenshin movies
Tomoe ;_;
Parasite was shite, but I agree that Japanese film has been in the dumps for well over a decade now. Most of their industry just pumps out endless manga and anime adaptations as well as dull dramas that very rarely get any attention outside of their own country (and rightfully so).
I don't want to say it died with Kurosawa, but it did in many ways.
He was the last one that could really be called a master, but there were still some good ones that made films after Kurosawa's death. Shame that most of them are now either retired or dead as well.
There really has been a noticeable decline since then. It doesn't help that their film industry shrunk to almost nothing and they've been importing most of their shit the whole time.
Yup. Their industry is simply too afraid to fund anything interesting anymore. The general audiences in Japan just seem to want anime flicks and goofy manga adaptations. It's kind of like the capeshit plague in the west. No wonder that directors like Sono and Koreeda have had to make films outside of Japan lately to get the funding they've needed.
I'm actually okay with outside funding and international release. I do miss their thrillers and weird shit and want to see them come back.
>I'm actually okay with outside funding and international release.
Sure, if the films are good. But I wish they could get the funding to make their films in Japan. Sono's English language film Prisoners of the Ghostland had laughably bad acting from some of the American cast members for example.
Koreeda said in the interviews it was because he wanted to work with the cast. Who knows though, I'm sure funding is always first priority
>Koreeda said in the interviews it was because he wanted to work with the cast.
Must be partly that as well. But since his latest two films have both been filmed outside of Japan (in France and Korea), I wouldn't be surprised at all if he had problems getting enough money in Japan alone to do what he wanted. I know that Sono has complained about the current state of funding films in Japan several times.
it's interesting, I also read somewhere that their pop industry also went stagnant because of lack of investment and labels preferring to stick with safe stuff.
I can believe that. I don't know much about Japanese music, but I've heard people claim that they still have many great independent artists. Modern pop music tends to be insufferable no matter what country you look at today.
dumbass
If you have the mentality of a 16-year-old, sure, then these are good.
if you have a mentality of a 12 year old then sure korea makes better movies than japan
Yeah, probably, I don't watch much Korean shit. They have as few good directors as Japan nowadays.
Korea has around 100 great movies. Japan has like 5-10 great movies.
>Korea has around 100 great movies.
Name them.
Burning
The Chaser
Oldboy
Sympathy For Mister Vengeance
Sympathy For Lady Vengeance
Memories of Murder
Memoir of a Murderer
Confession of Murder
Voice of a Murderer(Geu nom moksori)
Mother
Pieta
A Bittersweet Life
New World
I Saw The Devil
The Man From Nowhere
A Hard Day
Friend(aka Chingoo, 2001)
Dark Figure of Crime
The Outlaws
Believer (2018)
Asura: The City of Madness
Cold Eyes
The Vanished
Forgotten
No Mercy (2010)
The Yellow Sea
Unstoppable
The Divine Move
Night in Paradise
Breathless
Montage (2013)
A Dirty Carnival
White Night
The Wailing
Thirst
Train To Busan
Bedevilled
Peppermint Candy
Parasite
JSA(Joint Security Area)
The Handmaiden
The Host
A Tale of Two Sisters
The Call
Pandora
The Man Standing Next
A Taxi Driver
Bleak Night
These are just ~50 of the ones I've watched most recently, and they're mostly thrillers because that's mainly what I am into. I could find another 50 non-thrillers by looking movies up on various lists, but you get the point.
>I could find another 50 non-thrillers by looking movies up on various lists, but you get the point.
No, I don't. I'm not gullible enough to believe some random lists you find on Google, especially when most of them are by complete morons.
I've seen several of the films that you mentioned, and many of them are great, I agree, but there are also plenty of films here that I thought were complete trash on the level of current-day Hollywood. Korea has plenty of good stuff, but it's laughable to claim that Japan only "has 5-10 great movies". Both countries have frickloads of amazing cinema, as well as enough dogshit to last you a lifetime. Though it's undeniably true that Korean cinema is doing much better nowadays.
>but it's laughable to claim that Japan only "has 5-10 great movies"
Recommend me some top tier Japanese movies then. I've already seen the most known ones like Battle Royale, Fireworks, Shoplifters, Ichi The Killer, The Ring, Dead or Alive, Audition, Confessions, etc.
High and Low
Red Beard
Zigeunerweisen
Pistol Opera
Throw Away Your Books, Rally in the Streets
Pastoral: To Die in the Country
Nanami: The Inferno of First Love
Eros + Massacre
Heroic Purgatory
Late Spring
Floating Weeds
Good Morning
Pitfall
Woman in the Dunes
The Face of Another
The Family Game
His Motorbike, Her Island
The Discarnates
Heaven and Earth
This Transient Life
Mandala
Poem
Conflagration
The Inugami Family
The Ballad of Narayama
Vengeance is Mine
Profound Desires of the Gods
The Human Bullet
The Scandalous Adventures of Buraikan
Himiko
Virus: Day of Resurrection
Mr. Thank You
Humanity and Paper Balloons
The Million Ryo Pot
Station
Harakiri
Kwaidan
The Human Condition Trilogy
Japan's Longest Day
Goyokin
Fireflies in the North
Harmful Insect
The Taste of Tea
Sleeping Man
The Buried Forest
Dolls
Takeshis'
August in the Water
Typhoon Club
Seance
Charisma
Maborosi
After Life
Eureka
Ramblers
Adrift in Tokyo
Yearning
Floating Clouds
Sansho the Bailiff
Ugetsu Monogatari
Sun in the Last Days of the Shogunate
Blind Beast
Giants and Toys
The Silk Road
The Man Who Stole The Sun
Dogura Magura
Jigoku
The Naked Island
Conflagration
Death by Hanging
Empire of Passion
Bullet Ballet
Love Letter
The Bird People in China
Dying at a Hospital
Happy Hour
Shell and Joint
Tetsuo The Iron Man
Killing
Ecstacy of the Angels
Caterpillar
To Sleep So As To Dream
The Yellow Handkerchief
The Twilight Samurai
The Hidden Blade
After the Rain
I'm sure you'll find something to enjoy here. Most of it is obviously older, since they forgot how to make kinos.
Thanks, I'll add this list to my backlog and take a look at it.
>since they forgot how to make kinos.
you're just not looking hard enough. anyway, to generalize an entire nation like that is moronic. I never saw what anyone gets out of doing that. but enjoy being bitter and not enjoying life I guess. :/
You're right, I'm generalizing. I did list a few films from the 2010s, but I can't say I've been impressed by their output in recent years. The latest Japanese production I was impressed by was Onoda, but it was directed by a Frenchman.
>but enjoy being bitter and not enjoying life I guess. :/
Also, stop projecting. You're free to list great Japanese films from recent years.
>Train To Busan
This film was so painfully contrived that I can't understand its popularity whatsoever.
half this list is straight normie shit kys
if you have the mentality of a 10 year old then you think that was a good post
>slowmotion: the movie
Movie was alright, nothing less. It could be said it was good until every dumb frick on earth started praising it.
>popular = bad
shut the frick up, moron
Blow me, kid. Enjoy your marvel cinema
le contrarian
Japan is a meme country for redditors, and they are descended from the convicts of koreans in the same way australians are of the British. Korea has always been the patrician, dairy-enjoyer's choice, and japan has always been an country liked and populated exclusively by frickless virgins
Bong's film tier list
>Memories of Murder
>Mother
>The Host
>Snowpiercer
>Parasite
>His first flick (Forgot the name)
>Okja
this movie is better than literally almost 99.999% of movies out there
shitty forced movie
You have shit taste.
korea has obsoleted japan in every meaningful way
even japanese people prefer korean culture
>japs
cute and sexy see: JAV
>koreans
arrr roook same go to same surgeon
Cherry-picked images. Jihyo is fat, Nayeon has bad teeth and a bad nose. Dahyun is actually pretty. Mina is ugly. Momo is pretty. Sana is the prettiest here, but everyone knows Tzuyu is the prettiest of the group. KYS.
>Nayeon has bad teeth and a bad nose
those are her most iconic features
I don't care that her bunny teeth and nose are iconic, she is legitimately ugly when she smiles. Even worse without make-up and filters. Don't ever try to compare her to Sana. And while I find Mina ugly, she's in the top 3 when it comes to the overall fanbase last time I checked.
Jihyo is fat in the right places
Superior Taiwanese genes on the left.
Based Tzuyugay.
lol
bottom right has autism lips
all six of these females are 5 maybe 6 at best on the 10 scale
I bet the bottom ones have made in china written somewhere, because they are 100% plastic
What kind of a homosexual do you need to be to give a shit about some Japan-Korea rivalry as a westerner.
>Cinemaphile initially loves a film
>soon as it gets popular and wins and Oscar Cinemaphile hates it
You homosexuals need to grow up seriously
>muh capitalism bad
Cinemaphile refuses to discuss this movie..
It was really good, but I'm not gonna pretend this movie compares to Kurosawa or Kenshin. Even Sono and Miike are much better than the grand majority of "good" Korean directors.
>Miike
Yeah, 20 years ago. He's just another hack pumping out endless manga, anime, and video-game adaptations nowadays. It's a shame what happened to him.
>Yeah, 20 years ago.
13 samurai was released in 2010 and that was pure kino. Unsure what he's done since then.
It was fine, not as great as the original.
Dunno about that but Parasite movie sucked.
If you mean recently within the last few decades? I would agree if that's the case.
Knowing that (most) new Japanese releases like drive my car don't even come close to the best works of Kim Ki-Duk, Park Chan-wook, and especially Lee Chang-dong.
But even with that, I don't think many of their greatest films come close to almost everything Japan had to offer in the 50s, 60s, and 70s,
with masterful directors like Ozu, Kobayashi, Kurosawa, Mizoguchi, Teshigahara, etc.
>Kim Ki-Duk, Park Chan-wook, and especially Lee Chang-dong
Kim and Lee have maybe 3 good films each, everything by park after lady vengeance is reddit
Not to mention that Kim Ki-duk is dead. His final films were a series of total embarrassments.
true, moebius is charitably his last good film
>thinking any of these asiatics are better than koreeda, iwai, kitano, kon, hamaguchi, or ishii
your brain is soup
literally everything Korea does is a ripoff of something Japan has done already and better, Koreaboos are fricking embarrassing
Is there any information on why Japan’s film industry became so bad and mediocre? They had some of the most acclaimed films ever in the 40s-70s. Kurosawa was still making masterpieces in the 80s. Nowadays their industry is utterly mogged by Korea and only have a handful of notable films. Most of their big releases are anime.
The rising popularity of TV in Japan seriously hurt their film industry in the late 60s and 70s. As a result, studios started to make films with much lower budgets than before, and some studios such as Nikkatsu even transitioned to producing pink films (basically super cheap exploitation films with plenty of sex scenes and violence).
Even Kurosawa had to rely on foreign funding to get Kagemusha and Ran made in the 80s, since Japanese studios weren't interested in funding them. Art Theater Guild was the biggest producer of Japanese arthouse films in the 60s and 70s, and extremely successful at their peak, but even they died in the mid-80s. By that point most of the Japanese public (and especially the youth) cared more about TV, manga, anime, and of course video-games, which had a massive boom in Japan. Studios started taking safer and safer bets as the years went on, and what could be safer than making adaptations of popular mediums such as anime and manga?
They watch a ton of western films in theaters and have since at least the 80s. Unlike europe, the industry isn't really government subsidized so you don't see that kind of output. And like anon said, the focus has always been more on tv so you see more miniseries and direct to video releases. They also prefer theatre to cinema but you don't hear much about that, a lot of the arthouse shit is two handers on stage.
>koreans
80s/90s Hong Kong movies>
Eh, they had a handful of good directors, but also massive amounts of trash.
>Eh,
stopped reading right there
Sure you did.
Same.
midwit kino
Korean are israelites, japanese are greeks. The superior civilization is the one who embrace boys love.
Why did they even let the old housekeeper back in during the rainstorm? They had nothing to gain and everything to lose. It made absolutely no sense for the family to do, but the plot demanded it.
This wouldn't be the first time
they're bad in acting and make infantile shit
>basedjak916
meds
Yes I admit south Korean movies shit all over Japanese films and lots of Koreans are damn good actors.
Jap films are stuck in the 80s,
>Jap films are stuck in the 80s,
I fricking wish. Back then they still made plenty of good films each year.
Drive my car is cozzy kino
Okay and that’s one film. Hamaguchi is a new director too. If he wasn’t around making kino Japan would have very few notable films in recent years
drive my kino
I don't particularly care about any specific type of asians, all of their females are docile and tight.